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On May 25 2014 12:16 Hapahauli wrote:
@ ritoky
I don't have time to read your entire case on me in detail, but I skimmed it briefly and it seems to be pretty similar to the one that Austin made on me Night 1. I spent quite a bit of time/sanity replying to that, so just read my replies. Even I had the time to defend myself, I'm not keen on repeating everything I've said last night, and I have no intention of wasting my time and effort like that again.
Also, please read my cases and tell me if you agree/disagree with them, because blanketing all my analysis as "going after low-postcount people" is a horseshit generalization of my posts.
I think my case about your uneven criticism/hyprocrisy is fairly unrebutted. I also think your tambo read and its progression is very weird and unrebutted.
Also, again you criticize yell0w for wanting to lynch people but not voting/pushing on them. You kinda did that with me...so that just kinda furthers that.
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On May 25 2014 12:47 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 12:39 ritoky wrote:On May 25 2014 12:16 Hapahauli wrote:
@ ritoky
I don't have time to read your entire case on me in detail, but I skimmed it briefly and it seems to be pretty similar to the one that Austin made on me Night 1. I spent quite a bit of time/sanity replying to that, so just read my replies. Even I had the time to defend myself, I'm not keen on repeating everything I've said last night, and I have no intention of wasting my time and effort like that again.
Also, please read my cases and tell me if you agree/disagree with them, because blanketing all my analysis as "going after low-postcount people" is a horseshit generalization of my posts. I think my case about your uneven criticism/hyprocrisy is fairly unrebutted. I also think your tambo read and its progression is very weird and unrebutted. Haven't read that, but I suspect a good portion of that read can be explained by the fact that I don't give a shit about pushing any scumread other than yell0w right now. Show nested quote +Also, again you criticize yell0w for wanting to lynch people but not voting/pushing on them. You kinda did that with me...so that just kinda furthers that. Errr no? My case on yell0w is completely different. I'm not voting you because I have far bigger scumreads than you. Compared to yell0w, I don't give a flying fuck about lynching you. My top scumread is yell0w and I want him dead. The difference with yell0w is that... - His only stated scumread was on mtamburini.
- He kept his vote on Odin despite it being an RNG vote.
- He indirectly admits to wanting to lynch mtamburini.
- There is *nothing* in his filter that suggests he was afk or forgot to change his vote to mtamburini - in fact, he was active 5 hours before the lynch deadline and did not do jack shit with his vote despite having a stated scumread on mtamburini for 12 hours.
Like if you think for two seconds, you can understand why those two scenarios are completely different. I will not defend myself until you can provide me an explanation of how yell0w does this as town.
I have been pretty sold on yell0w as town because of this
On May 21 2014 09:59 Yell0w wrote:I suck at quoting and tamburini was way too long so it's confusing for me but anyways. Show nested quote +
Again this post made my brain bleed. Yellow if this is your town play and how you scumhunt then I for towns sake I hope you are the cop so you can get some REAL information and dont have to try these unrealistic tactics to catch scum.
I don't get what was wrong with my post or how what you said is relevant to it, someone talked about a situation and I said if that situation happened, we would easily be able to catch scum. Obviously that situation is not going to happen, but I'm not the one who brought it up, so I don't really know what the issue is.
Compared to this from the newbie game I played with him:
On April 29 2014 11:55 Yell0w wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 11:50 Amiko wrote:
@Yell0w: What do you think of ninjabunnies voting for you? As in, do you see that as a more town response by her? A more mafia response by her? Neutral? I don't really know, she has a reasoning for it, she played with people who claimed mafia like that and ended up actually being mafia, but obviously it's flawed logic and anecdotal evidence, it's not because someone did it that me making a joke about being mafia means I'm mafia. But that fact that she has that reason makes me think she's not doing it as a mafia play, but obviously she might just have come up with it to make it seems that way, so I don't know.
For me he just has similar levels of lack of self awareness in his play. It's a gut read from the start, so I probably can't communicate it to you that well.
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On May 25 2014 12:54 marvellosity wrote:
ritoky: in all fairness, that doesn't answer Hapa's query.
about the cases being different?
yeah he is mostly right about it, i mostly wanted to prod him a bit more so he would go back and actually read through my stuff and give me a solid response.
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On May 25 2014 12:58 Hapahauli wrote:I could not care less about your incomplete meta read, nor do your "gut" reads explain away his behavior. Once again, read this, and tell me how it makes sense. Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 12:47 Hapahauli wrote:The difference with yell0w, is that... - His only stated scumread was on mtamburini.
- He kept his vote on Odin despite it being an RNG vote.
- He indirectly admits to wanting to lynch mtamburini.
- There is *nothing* in his filter that suggests he was afk or forgot to change his vote to mtamburini - in fact, he was active 5 hours before the lynch deadline and did not do jack shit with his vote despite having a stated scumread on mtamburini for 12 hours.
If you do not understand how I am drawing these bullet points, I will lay it out for the thread yet again. Like I'm not even asking for a lot - all I ask you to do is give me any *plausible* town explanation for how town-yell0w does those actions.
I mean he clearly states in his very small filter that he is sold on BH's RNG = 40% chance to hit scum argument. He gets on board early and never gets off. He made a call and went with it. I don't know what you want me to say. I can't speak for the guy cuz I don't know what he was thinking. Is it strange that he doesn't push one of his two scum reads (oh yeah he had two, 1 on me and 1 on tambo)? Yes it is. Is it a valid criticism that needs to be responded to? Yes it is. Is this outside of some of the wonky things I saw him do in the last game? No it isn't.
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On May 25 2014 13:08 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 13:07 austinmcc wrote:
ATTENTION HAPA
YOU WANT A REASON
IF SOMEONE ACTUALLY THINKS THAT AN RNG LYNCH IS A GOOD IDEA, A POSITIVE, WHATEVER
THEN THEY HAVE A REASON TO RNG LYNCH
I see nothing in Yellow's filter that says "AN RNG LYNCH IS A BAD IDEA LET'S NOT DO THAT." I see multiple posts basically plotting the best way to RNG lynch.
If Yellow actively thinks RNG lynching is good, then I can understand what up. HE ADMITTED TO WANTING TO LYNCH TAMBO ON DAY1. GOOD LORD.
Maybe he thought RNG being a 40% chance, which you clearly didn't buy into but he did, was a better shot than his read on tambo.
Hard to say without him to defend himself.
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Hey there's more people here, if you could please post your thoughts on this:
On May 25 2014 11:40 ritoky wrote:
aight, well i think this game has gotten a tad on the slow side, so let's try to add some to it. i don't really understand my roles usefullness, and i would like you to help me with it if you would be a doll.
i have the ability to tell if people have been "touched by magic", from what i understand this means that i can tell if people are magical, have been targeted by magic, or have magical abilities. so, i don't really think my info is extremely helpful, but it is info at least.
what i know is that 27ninjabunnies has been touched by magic. what do you think of that?
Thank you.
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On May 25 2014 19:55 layabout wrote:
I refuse to work on the assumption that there are multiple recruiting factions
Ritoky sounds like a rolechecker. I don't understand the timing of his claim nor the fact that he doesn't appear to understand the mechanics of his role. Rito pls, can you clarify?
We need to decide if we are banking on winning with 3p which seems dumb or just killing slam/bh/austin.
Also, congratulations to anybody aligned to the adepts with a non-vanilla role that hasn't claimed halfway into day 2.
I am getting ready for work, so I have about 15 minutes to vote and clarify things for anyone if they want it. Won't be back at deadline time.
Yes I think in general my role is basically a rolechecker, with a slight variation. As for why I claimed...I thought it was a good time to claim given the state of the game at that time. There wasn't a whole lot of reliable information or stuff in general going on at that point in the phase.
Currently I am leaning toward voting austin cuz he hasn't convinced me that his faction's win condition isn't exclusive from town's.
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On May 25 2014 21:01 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 20:51 ritoky wrote:On May 25 2014 19:55 layabout wrote:
I refuse to work on the assumption that there are multiple recruiting factions
Ritoky sounds like a rolechecker. I don't understand the timing of his claim nor the fact that he doesn't appear to understand the mechanics of his role. Rito pls, can you clarify?
We need to decide if we are banking on winning with 3p which seems dumb or just killing slam/bh/austin.
Also, congratulations to anybody aligned to the adepts with a non-vanilla role that hasn't claimed halfway into day 2. I am getting ready for work, so I have about 15 minutes to vote and clarify things for anyone if they want it. Won't be back at deadline time. Yes I think in general my role is basically a rolechecker, with a slight variation. As for why I claimed...I thought it was a good time to claim given the state of the game at that time. There wasn't a whole lot of reliable information or stuff in general going on at that point in the phase. Currently I am leaning toward voting austin cuz he hasn't convinced me that his faction's win condition isn't exclusive from town's. Rolechecker is traditionally a mafia power. But if we work with the assumption that you are town: Have you asked what happens if you were to target a non-town vanilla role? When you got the result surely ninja would either be a town blue or scum. The response to this is to stay quiet (you think she is blue) or try to pressure/build a case etc (you think she is mafia). So why tell us you are unsure about her and then share the check? You are potentially exposing two town blues to mafia, and you haven't used your check to try to influence the lynch, or any other clear town oriented benefit.
Well, because the variation is that it tells me if someone has been targeted by an action as well. Which is ridiculously unspecific information. I also gave out the info with, what? 20 hours left in the phase. And expected to get a reaction from her regarding the info. But she has been mia from the thread this entire phase. If you read my very large post earlier it says "her stock is plummeting"; it continues to plummet, but due to the unspecific nature of my information and her lack of response at all to it. I don't know if there's very much I can do to try and push it any further than I don't think she was a likely target for an ability last night.
Outside of that, there is a confirmed non-townie in the thread who has done nothing imo to convince me that he isn't lying about his "I can win with the town" claim. So uhhhh, sorry if I am a bit more concerned on the guy who admits he isn't town.
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On May 26 2014 05:37 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Finally caught up on reading!!! Wooooo
Okay... So should there be much night discussion?
Im kinda confused on the recruitment stuff...
So austin said only he had kp right, not the person he recruited?
So you have caught up, and you still haven't commented on what I said about you?
mhmmmmmm
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On May 26 2014 09:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 09:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 26 2014 09:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 26 2014 09:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Allow me to ask you a question or 2.
What do you think of errandor?
Who is tryharding the most right now? Who are you asking this to? Originally meant for you, but if anyone else wants to answer, feel free. Ehhh, i don't like errandor's big soapbox thing. Most people prob call him town for it. I think its a load of bullcrap. I went through a lot of filters myself, sifting through replies, read 200+ pages. I feel he is just complaining to complain. I want to see more from him in the upcoming days. If he doesnt feel like reading through 200 pages, fine. Start from here, make reads. But dont come into the thread, say you are going to give reads and read through everything, and then dont contribute much but a couple of paragraphs complaining... As for tryharding.... Explain what you mean by that? Who's doing the most work? Who's the most towny? Hmmm. I like HF this game. As for most work, not sure. Austin was doing a lot of work, but we lynched him. Im going to read vale's thing on onceking. I think a lot of trolling is going on, and not any solid cases being pushed. But my town is pretty decent atm.
Hf, bh, slam, and steve.I think these have been contributing the most, even if bh was just pushing his rng thing, atleast he was doing something. If geript is actual vigi, he will be placed in my list. I also liked tehpoofter d1, but he hasnt done much since then. I dont like eran, you, thrawn, tamburini or ceph this game. Those are the ones im going to look into.
Yeah I am pretty much sold on you as scum now.
I don't think you were targeted last night, and nothing you're doing or saying is exuding town at all, so that doesn't make you a power role; 1 option left..
This town circle is absolute crap. HF is a PROVEN investigative role, austin basically 100% confirmed it, and 2 of the other 3 have claimed blue roles for 3 phases and been uncontested in their claims. You're not actually pushing forward any new cases or doing anything for town's benefit. You're just sheeping tons of information and acting like you're doing stuff by giving a plethora of not very useful content.
You seriously don't have a town read outside of 3 basically proven townies at this point and a spammer? This is not town bunnies, I am sorry.
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On May 26 2014 10:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 09:55 ritoky wrote:On May 26 2014 09:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 26 2014 09:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 26 2014 09:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Allow me to ask you a question or 2.
What do you think of errandor?
Who is tryharding the most right now? Who are you asking this to? Originally meant for you, but if anyone else wants to answer, feel free. Ehhh, i don't like errandor's big soapbox thing. Most people prob call him town for it. I think its a load of bullcrap. I went through a lot of filters myself, sifting through replies, read 200+ pages. I feel he is just complaining to complain. I want to see more from him in the upcoming days. If he doesnt feel like reading through 200 pages, fine. Start from here, make reads. But dont come into the thread, say you are going to give reads and read through everything, and then dont contribute much but a couple of paragraphs complaining... As for tryharding.... Explain what you mean by that? Who's doing the most work? Who's the most towny? Hmmm. I like HF this game. As for most work, not sure. Austin was doing a lot of work, but we lynched him. Im going to read vale's thing on onceking. I think a lot of trolling is going on, and not any solid cases being pushed. But my town is pretty decent atm.
Hf, bh, slam, and steve.I think these have been contributing the most, even if bh was just pushing his rng thing, atleast he was doing something. If geript is actual vigi, he will be placed in my list. I also liked tehpoofter d1, but he hasnt done much since then. I dont like eran, you, thrawn, tamburini or ceph this game. Those are the ones im going to look into. Yeah I am pretty much sold on you as scum now. I don't think you were targeted last night, and nothing you're doing or saying is exuding town at all, so that doesn't make you a power role; 1 option left.. This town circle is absolute crap. HF is a PROVEN investigative role, austin basically 100% confirmed it, and 2 of the other 3 have claimed blue roles for 3 phases and been uncontested in their claims. You're not actually pushing forward any new cases or doing anything for town's benefit. You're just sheeping tons of information and acting like you're doing stuff by giving a plethora of not very useful content. You seriously don't have a town read outside of 3 basically proven townies at this point and a spammer? This is not town bunnies, I am sorry. He asked who Im finding MOST townie. Not all who are in my town circle. And if you read my filter, you will see that HF, BH, and Steve have been in my town since day 1 before their claims. So their claims for me are basically moot at this point. I prob wasnt targeted last night and you are thinking you can get an easy lynch on me tbh. I dont really see what you have done this game.... Ill read your filter eventually. If i was targeted, not sure what happened tbh. A town watcher? A mafia stalker? Maybe ill die in the night. Who knows. I could have been poisoned. Im not sure what got your check back on me. Or whatever it was. Which btw: did you read what i wrote? Apparently not.
"I don't see what you have done, but I haven't read your filter"
That's and OMGUS right there. You're selling me further.
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On May 27 2014 05:33 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 05:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
It was a pretty good game all in all.
I dont necessarily understand the spreadsheet, so not sure who all was scum...
And what was with the whole "touched by magic" stuff? riotky's role is actually really cool if someone is touched by maigc it's a bit complicated but anyone that isn't is conrfirmed vanilla town which would make it powerful. On the other hand recruiter mechanics fuck it up, but hey if he announces someone it's likely that multiple factions would target them and cancel out
Lol, I made that crap up. I was VT, and I had a growing scum read on bunnies, wanted to reaction test her. I also had a doctor read on someone and wanted to eat a bullet for them.
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On May 27 2014 05:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 05:48 ritoky wrote:On May 27 2014 05:33 layabout wrote:On May 27 2014 05:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
It was a pretty good game all in all.
I dont necessarily understand the spreadsheet, so not sure who all was scum...
And what was with the whole "touched by magic" stuff? riotky's role is actually really cool if someone is touched by maigc it's a bit complicated but anyone that isn't is conrfirmed vanilla town which would make it powerful. On the other hand recruiter mechanics fuck it up, but hey if he announces someone it's likely that multiple factions would target them and cancel out Lol, I made that crap up. I was VT, and I had a growing scum read on bunnies, wanted to reaction test her. I also had a doctor read on someone and wanted to eat a bullet for them. Well you were freaking wrong... Like seriously...
Yeah, i figured as much when you started getting angry, and was gonna rescind. But then other people started having odd reactions to the claim on you, so I was gonna leave it out there until the day phase then rescind.
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