Golden Sun: The Lost Age Mafia Djinn Edition - Page 229

On May 26 2014 10:32 geript wrote:
I'm tempted to shoot bunnies. Maybe Wrandor or Thrawn. I really need to start taking notes. Bunnies response re:ritoky magic thing seems really weird. I'm so exhausted.

On May 26 2014 10:44 kitaman27 wrote:






I have more vital information to reveal to the thread. While austin's foolish spade taunting eventually led to his downfall, I have recently discovered two more individuals that seek to insult me in the cruelest way imaginable. We must bring these two to justice as swiftly as possible.

On May 25 2014 08:38 ritoky wrote:
Alright, as I am watching the sounders game; hopefully I can get through this post on the current state of my reads:

Group 1 - People leaving things to be desired:
Tehpoofter - Pretty sure this guy was one of the towniest towns to ever town for a solid 6-8 hrs during D1, and since then he has mostly disappeared. I don't know if it's irl related, or too much reading, or intentional; but from what I understand he has certainly played enough mafia in his days for it to not just be him being overwhelmed by the volume of the thread. While he hasn't done enough of this for me to wash away his shiny town smell. He certainly is leaving things to be desired.

27ninjabunnies - This may sound a bit weird, but if I ignore your first 5 pages of your 9 page filter (the majority of which happened within the first 24 hours of the game starting); then I am highly underwhelmed. There's a lot of OGI irl posts, a lot of "hey catching up posts", and a lot of slight subtle commentary posts. It is clearly present that you are here a lot and reading the thread frequently; and yet you haven't pushed a case very strongly on anyone since the minor effort you put on tamburini. This was certainly not the town bunnies I was ride or die with on day 1 of the last newbie game. Your stock is plummeting for me and you are leaving things to be desired.

mtabmburini - You sure are making it hard to not push on you due to policy. Your level of disengagement from the game is astounding. My gut tells me it is because you rolled VT for the 2nd game in a row and are bored, but your play leaves things to be desired.

Group 2 - Where are you scooby doo?

mysterymeat1/errandor - you're in this game? coulda fooled me.

Group 3 - Dem townies

Layabout - I voted for you yesterday for lack of contribution, and boy did that make you mad. I stand behind what I said at the time, but since then you have picked it up. All of it has been angry and tunneled on me, which you are wrong about and is a bit of an OMGUS, but I like your response. You've got pluck kiddo, you be one of dem townies.

BlueyD - If you can't read that last long post and smell the innocence seeping off of it. I think we speak different languages. I speak 5 languages....so hopefully you don't speak enlgish, japanese, korean, spanish, or portuguese....he one of dem townies.

BH/Alakaslam (i think it was him?) - They claimed fairly prominent names from the Golden Sun series openly in the thread, have not been counterclaimed, and were not shot in the night as a result of claiming someone elses role. So until I have reason to disbelieve these claims or mathematical reason to be forced to lynch one in the event that they are lying. They go in the pile with dem townies.

Austinmcc/geript - Ya know, these two are probably my reads that have the least raisin. I mostly just enjoy and like most of what they type. They smell like the rest of dem townies.

Yell0w - He had a level of lack of self awareness that forced me to read him as town after a little bit during the last newbie game. His lack of awareness about the RNG thing and some of his other posts read much the same to me. So I would consider him one of dem townies for now

Group 4 - Pretty much scum

Hapahauli - Now I think this one will come as a bit of a shocker to a few, but quite frankly he has had warning signs on him for me for a while. So let us examine, in particular his scum reads currently:




If you ignore kush, who I believe is a bit of a different case, especially now. The rest of his scum and leaning scum reads are on people with 2 page to 4 page filters at best and tend to be newer players. And most of his town reads throughout the game are on people who have very large filters and have played a lot of games. To me he reads like scum trying to push MLs on people who will offer not as much resistance or who he feels he can get a policy lynch on. Outside of that, he has very inconsistent criticism. As I pointed out earlier, he criticized geript for having confirmation bias on Steveling, yet he didn't criticize BH for having confirmation bias on Odin; and his reason? Because he says BH's case was good. So confirmation bias doesn't apply when you think the person has a good case?

Then later he is critical of people who did sudden vote swaps late in the phase, especially those without reason. Yet his hypocrisy is on full display as he is one of the people who did this. Hell, his filter even has a nice "I told you so" post after he switched off of Val onto Odin, even after Val posted something that was pretty much garbage late in the phase that wouldn't have made me switch votes.

Lastly, this is just a gut read, but I get the read that a lot of his posts are sending out feelers. He doesn't ever go all-in or really push. He sends out feelers to see if there's support. Then later he pushes if there is or drops it if there is not. For example I am a neutral read in his reads above, but as soon as layabout starts getting angry at me, Hapa is behind him giving him a little boost. He is pretty much scum in my mind.

jampidampi - I have found him strange for a while. He was very supportive of 27ninjabunnies after what I thought was a poor defense at the time. He even was supportive of her strange comment of having absolute non-lynches day 1. He also found my former #1 town MZ scummy for finding bunnies odd for that comment. Austin's case on him just further drives me down the path that I think he is pretty much scum.

Group 5 - I can't read this guy

Sqrtofneg1 - Yo, I got this guy completely wrong last game, and he is acting completely different this game. And I am not confident in my read again. I just think I can't read this guy

Group 6 - No strong opinions

Everyone Else

On May 21 2014 13:38 ritoky wrote:
holy crap that was a long read. i felt like i was never going to catch up to it.

i feel like there is a lot of jokes and interactions between people who have played together a lot that went wayyyyy over my head in the first few pages.

right now I am having a little bit of trouble organizing my thoughts because there is just a lot of stuff.

the two largest things that i noticed are:

1) 27ninjabunnies talks a whole lot about herself. I am kinda gonna sheep tamburini's reads on bunnies. I read a post and I am neutral, then I read the next one and I find it defensive and with 1 million I's in it, which puts me off. Then I read the next one and I am back to neutral. Idk, it just leaves me a bit skeptical because last game I played with her she was oozing town out of her pores it was so obvious, and the fact that I don't have that feeling right now gives me pause and concern. That said, she is contributing and typing seriously which is significantly more than most people (including myself) have done thus far.

2) I find the people who were highly opposed to the RNG lynch on day 1 questionable. Especially those who said things along the lines of "I think I am better than RNG". I think if you say that on day 2 you can sell me quite a bit on it, as I would not be in favor of an RNG lynch on any day after day 1. Usually there is enough information to make singinifcantly informed guesses by that point in the game. But when you say something along the lines of being "better than RNG" on day 1, it makes me think that you have more information than I do. Which very likely means that you are scum.

I have to do a couple things unexpectedly now and should be back in an hour or so to contribute more, but for now my I will at least leave my top town and scum read.

Top town: Meapak
Top scum: waveofshadow

On May 22 2014 07:54 ritoky wrote:


Well I think that in order to really read Yell0w, you have to read BH as well because their early posts are highly related. So I will start with BH, then move on to a couple people I played with before.

BH - Town - In the previous game I played, bunnies filled much the same role as BH is filling this game. Now I know he apparently has a thing for RNG lynches, and he thinks it's an even better scenario this game because the percentages are increased due to multiple factions; and you may or may not agree with that. What I liked about his post, was similar to bunnies prodding of yell0w last game. That it was the first real substantial and aggressive stance in the game and he forced people to both respond to and pick sides regarding it. It shows the me that he was aggressively trying to instigate conversation and gauge people's reactions.

Yell0w - Town - I think a lot of the hatred toward Yell0w is blowback for being closely associated with BH, and for his...idk...lack of self awareness sometimes? For example he said recently that he still doesn't understand why everyone hates on the RNG lynch so much and how no one told him why his different method of RNG lynch was wrong. To me that reads not as him fishing for how he can curry favor, but how he (like me to some degree) is feeling a high level of confusion. Personally I think that people pushing heavily on him are just going after low hanging fruit and want an easy ML; so that later in the game they can pass it off as an excuse and say "lulz, well he wasn't contributing much and was about that RNG lynch".

That said, I think that if either Yell0w or BH flips mafia, then the other is probably the same. Either Yell0w has been pocketed by BH or they are connected in my mind.

Sqrt - If I was forced to guess I would say he's leaning scummier? - Sqrt has been ML'd the past two games very early on as town both times for his style of play as town. This style of play is distinctly different than his last game. Whether that's trying to change what wasn't working, him being mafia, or the change in scope of the game; I am not really sure yet as I don't think he has provided anything SUPER alignment indicative yet.

Bunnies - No real comment that is different than before. I don't like her as much as I did last game, but I also don't like lynching people with 6 page+ filters on day 1.

mtamburini - leaning scum - As town last game he entered the thread disinterested and fakeclaiming vigi right away. He entered this thread obviously much different, which is understandable since you probably can't do that every game. However his long post near the beginning of the thread didn't really do much for me. It was a lot of space for basically not much content. And after that much of what he typed seemed very forced to me. When you're forcing things out rather than simply saying you have no idea when that is the truth, it reads scummy to me.

On May 26 2014 09:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:


It's not just you who has to go through everything.

There are people who have been sifting through filters. Trying to find scum.

But i dont see much complaining from them.

I get it. It's a huge game. But what do you expect from 30 something people.

I gave my opinion, just like you have given yours. I really hope you become more active though.

On May 26 2014 10:57 layabout wrote:
Frankly a hell of a lot less posts and a hell of a lot more content. Our day 1 this game was significantly bigger than the 80 player game day 1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/285690-tl-mafia-xlvii?page=92#1823. I know things have changed a bit since i stopped playing but this is retarded. tbh i am suprised slam didn't get warned for his "oh god i got shot" raping of the thread. I remember when i was just browsing tl and i stumbled across this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/282366-steamship-liquidia-tl-mafia-46 . Something about it grabbed me said shit for reasons and were held accountable. They made cases some of which were silly or convoluted but there were clear tings to focus on and deal with. Now it's super contrived mechanics and irc posting.

Is this really what tl is now?

/end rant

On May 26 2014 11:05 geript wrote:

I don't get why you think me making a shot makes me town. Like there are millions of reasons to read me town this game. None of them have anything to do with me claiming Vig. Not a single one. As a matter of fact, that shit is far more likely to come from mafia in this type of game where there are so many non-town parties. Like after lynching one who was likely being more honest than not. It's weird that the reason you would find me to be town is only aligned with the claim which is quite capably from mafia. Like it's exceptionally odd that with as experienced as you are in video, and watching, where Rick among others have fake claimed Vig as mafia. It's odd that that's the reason you find me to be town. Then how flippantly you dismiss Ritoky's claim with neither explaining, nor really responding. It's just almost sheer avoidance. And how you go about things you don't really aim towards standing out or pushing your reads hard. It's as if you're just looking to slide by. That's what I find is odd. That you keep on looking to be active without looking to add or find anything the whole time.