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HF, take a look at jampi's 3 other games as town. The way he enters the thread as townie is much more inquisitive. This game the aggression and suspicion throwing he uses is way over the top and unwarranted. It looks fake. Unfortunatelly I can't find a mafia game of his to back this up more.
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Marv, do you think that mafia in this game is going to avoid taking stances in most subjects? Unless the person being talked about is coincidently on his team, mafia in this game can contribute normally like a towny does. I believe a better way to find mafia is catching them when they fabricate a stance or feign some behavior to coast by.
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Yellow seems very town based on earlier play and that comment. There is indeed some progression, which also makes Blued look slightly better (we had some issues with what he said about our early play), as the progression feels slightly more towny than mafia opportunism.
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I'm not sure what BlueD means with "things be good" though. Seems like a strange way to describe the state of the thread.
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On May 22 2014 13:45 BlueyD wrote:
Here comes the master of rng... Willing to bet BH's blue claim is fake again.
Steve I'd lynch you over both of these.
The bet part feels fake and out of place in the filter. As far as I can see, he hasn't indicated being suspicious of BH. If he doesn't believe the claim, shouldn't he be more interested in lynching him?
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On May 22 2014 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote:It was me, I think you wanted me to talk about why i think BH is town. Essentially, as scum BH is way more arrogant, and way more shit-up-the-thread-happy. Maybe the recent game wasn't a good example because he was traitor and didn't know who scum was, but scum BH always actually scumhunts (or at least fakes it). This RNG discussion is shitting up the thread to some degree but not in the same way, and BH is being more or less completely useless, something he is way more likely to do as town and simply lie down and get lynched for (probably to preserve some sort of meta or whatever). I've seen him play this exact same way as town and I've lynched him for it once and tried to another time I believe. Just seems way more likely to me that BH is town here. It is of course entirely possible he's playing to his meta for this reason and is something I wouldn't put past BH, and the roleclaim is fairly bewildering, but I believe marv said that's pretty par for the course as far as BH goes. Would not lynch today at the very least, town at the very most.
I'm catching up but I have to quote this post for future reference. This is the most BS in one post I've read in this game so far. I believe WoS is scum.
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WoS's whole filter is completely useless, even though it's quite lengthy.
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Has WoS recently claimed VT on day 1 in some game,?
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On May 22 2014 12:53 WaveofShadow wrote:It was me, I think you wanted me to talk about why i think BH is town. Essentially, as scum BH is way more arrogant, and way more shit-up-the-thread-happy. Maybe the recent game wasn't a good example because he was traitor and didn't know who scum was, but scum BH always actually scumhunts (or at least fakes it). This RNG discussion is shitting up the thread to some degree but not in the same way, and BH is being more or less completely useless, something he is way more likely to do as town and simply lie down and get lynched for (probably to preserve some sort of meta or whatever). I've seen him play this exact same way as town and I've lynched him for it once and tried to another time I believe. Just seems way more likely to me that BH is town here. It is of course entirely possible he's playing to his meta for this reason and is something I wouldn't put past BH, and the roleclaim is fairly bewildering, but I believe marv said that's pretty par for the course as far as BH goes. Would not lynch today at the very least, town at the very most.
So let me start with this post that caught my attention. WoS is forcing out a read on why he stated previously BH is town. The things are off in this is that he starts describing BH's scum meta which, if you are reading this game, fits perfectly to this game, arrogance and shitting up the thread is all the content BH produce so far. He then goes ahead to try to forcefully twist it to fit his read in a lenghy and convoluted way that doesn't add up. Notably he forgot to mention the one thing that really makes everyone wary of lynching BH and probably points to town which is the CLAIM. That's the most solid evindence which should be talked about BH being town which is completely left out from his analysis. It's pure fabricated BS to justify a previous read he gave out. That's something mafia often does.
Now if you take a look at WoS filter you will notice a couple things. The first is that he is chiming in every once in a while on random subjects to keep up a resonably sized filter. The other is that he isn't activily following up with his suspicions or making an effort to actually catch scum. I such a spammy game that's the perfect disguise for scum. He posts just enough to avoid suspicion, but gives away no productive info. This man is scum and I believe our best lynch for today.
##vote: WoS
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For someone who asserts that he is an expert on BH's play, it's also weird how WoS leans on Marv's opinion when he briefly mentions the roleclaim. He states that the roleclaim is "bewildering", but Marv assures him it's normal for BH. Does he really not know about BHs tendency to role claim and why does not he attempt to analyze it? The perspective seems very wrong.
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On May 22 2014 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
yes, I rather think Xatalos, if you had a bunch of votes on you, you'd have been rather more inclined to post something than go straight to bed, no? ^^
So it doesn't concern at all how easily this lynch is going? Usually you have been very vary of lack of resistance. If he is mafia, do you think his teammates have been yelling at him to post more and he has just chosen to ignore the requests?
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On May 22 2014 23:49 marvellosity wrote:
Wave's so lucky that I defend him when his filter is so trashy. He owes me a blowjob.
Blowjobs are easy to come by nowadays. Scum lynches day 1 are much more glorious and rare. I don't think you are making a good deal.
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Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case.
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On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong 
So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes?
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On May 23 2014 01:17 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:16 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes? I get ML day 1 because I dont find many connections D1 between people, its only after a couple votes and lynches do I get more information and start deducing nad making educated guesses and connections based on read of my own and people that have died.
That's not what you said though.
I'm not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts.
Also based on your newbie game here it seems you make plenty of smaller posts and not that many long ones.
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On May 23 2014 01:28 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:19 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 23 2014 01:17 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:16 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes? I get ML day 1 because I dont find many connections D1 between people, its only after a couple votes and lynches do I get more information and start deducing nad making educated guesses and connections based on read of my own and people that have died. That's not what you said though. I'm not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. Also based on your newbie game here it seems you make plenty of smaller posts and not that many long ones. Your accusation against me is not relevant based on the contexts of both games. Comparing the amount of posts in this DAY compared to that game. The long post I made was based on all the thing that I was reading and essentially making notes on all the things I was thought were interesting
I don't care about the context, I'm just trying to understand why you claimed you get mislynched a lot for writing longer posts, if that is not in fact the case.
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On May 23 2014 01:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:32 Hapahauli wrote:
Also marv, what do you make of tambo, and talk to me specifically about OnceKing (and anyone else you'd consider lynching). I have to leave on a roadtrip in an hour, so unfortunately I'm not blessed with much time today. I'm kinda trusting what you're saying about tambo right now. my time is kinda limited this evening as well :/ Onceking just because of what kita said, a filter of a bunch of short posts and nothing, not particularly sure I like the "why me, why not this guy" which is why I said I could lynch him.
What is Hapa saying about Tambo right now?
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Mysterymeat looks more like a terrible lynch than a coinflip.
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Can you cite the last time a person like that flipped mafia? He even blatantly states he will play his trademark lazy town and indeed does absolutely nothing afterwards, not even pretense.
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Marv what do you think about mtamburini "misspeaking"?
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On May 23 2014 01:54 Hapahauli wrote:Mystermeat's meh. Not only is it a coinflip, but we're going to get absolutely nothing out of that lynch information-wise, so let's not do that. I'm back to Valenius right now. Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:45 OnceKing wrote:On May 23 2014 01:37 Hapahauli wrote:On May 23 2014 01:31 OnceKing wrote:
also i could buy a ritoky lynch over a layabout lynch atm
or valenius Cool. Why? I'm sorta thinking about lynching you right now to be honest. layabout actually pushing his scum read instead of just wasting time waffling about in his posts, ritoky doesn't valenius doesn't either but he's even worse because he hasn't got any reads other than town and null, there are just so many polarizing people in the thread i don't see how you can come away with nothing This is a pretty good observation by OnceKing, and Valenius has slipped my mind for a while. Val really hasn't done much this game at all - a majority of his filter are short posts that have nothing to do with reads or scumhunting. A lot of +1's and idle questions. He does have one scum-hunting post... Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 04:15 Valenius wrote:Onegu, that's terrible; Really hope it get's better quickly. Hapa, have you actually read that post you quoted. It seemed very natural to me with no forced reads and everything he said was very reasonable and from a stream of thought. I really think valenius is towny and moving the lynch off tambu after his suspicious comeback seems wrong. A lot of people seem to be waitng for his return to have an excuse to move their votes off and if anything it made him look worse. I'm way more confident in wos, but between those 2 tamburini is way more likely of actually being scum. I'm not sure how many posts, and this applies for all of you 'vets', are serious and how many are little in jokes between yourselves.. so if I miss out something it's probably because i didnt want to make a read based on something that could be common in your games. Make sense? As always with me, i just read through filters. Backtracking thread is too hard. So.. + Show Spoiler +Yell0w.+ Show Spoiler +Despite how much everyone seems to hate the whole RNGesus plan, his initial post on it was solid. It's misguided in that it would require everyone to take part.. which won't happen; but the theory is sound. It's easy enough for someone to test everyone else's post to make sure there's no tomfoolery occurring. Any switches (early or late) would draw suspicion. Somebody pulled him up on his switch to BH's plan 'with no posts in between', but that was bullshit. He'd been shown how it wouldn't work, so his switch was logical.
His first big post mostly makes sense. I agree with his points on RNG not being totally alignment indicative, and for me it's probably more like 60% town indicative. With most of the players in here, I don't think experienced scum would have much trouble causing a mislynch on day1. RNG is imo more likely to hit them than a lynch through the normal course of play - Unless they made a monumental slip-up.
Summary: Probably Town, like his thought process. Dude, drop the RNG. I was a believer, but it's not going to happen. Again, the logic behind it was solid (imo - see above), as is the setup talk and effectiveness of the scummers. The wording of this post was a little bit off to me: + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Good point, also it doesn't matter, we need to kill them all. So are you on board, jampidampi? or are you busy thinking of another excuse not to lynch your scumbuddy odin? In the post he was replying to, i'd put the win condition was "Eliminate all Factions, which endanger town". The 'we need to kill them all' seems to have just ignored that. Not sure if slip, but thought i'd mention it.. 'when in Rome' and all. Overall: I don't like how you've continued pushing the RNG as it's getting to the stage where most are ignoring you, although If anything I think it makes you more town than scum at this point. You know what stop putting Vaseline in your car and diesel does not improve your lips. Neither does motor oil work for lubrication of human anatom-
Actually, I am unsure of that
Anyway dat GASOLINE more specific than PETROL bro
Putting plastic in the car or what?
Loo
Heheh
Alyoominnium
If course to you we like a-LOO-minnum
Seems reasonably in line with newbie games i've played/obs'd with him, although slightly
Odd post time: "All other factions are anti town. That's confirmed." - Forgive me if I missed the page, but where was this confirmed?
Your vote on Holyflare was about as useful as my vote on Koshi.
+e$ports 20 for the recent geript comment.
Summary: Stay vigilant sqrt, newbie bro. These guys will promise you the world, and just end up taking your bottle-cap collection. (Probably town, but a bit too easily swayed)
You could pretty much pull out in a black Ford Model 18 "V-8" (1932-1934)* and wave your tommy gun around and I still probably wouldn't lynch you today. You're a survivor Cav, I believe in you. * Thanks GQ slideshow Oh, actual 'analysis' time? + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 14:12 Cavalinho wrote:Because he's scum. And also because he's trying to hide and he's posting a lot of questions aimed at making people feel superior. Hence, he is a mafia trying to get people to ignore him and blend in. I pretty much fully disagree. Steveling's done anything but try and blend in. The lover's tiff between him and Holyflare is one of the more dominant things that have happened so far. Maybe people will laugh, and maybe I'm overestimating the ability of some of you regulars/overusing my newbie reads, but it doesn't seem massively scummy. You haven't defecated today. Summary: Pale Mafia. A light shade of pink. + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to ome out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. I find the last sentence a little bit contradictory. If you assume that you're in a game with people who will catch slips most of the time, then surely the talkative slippy mafia wouldn't last longer than the lurkers due to the talkative slippy nature of themselves? I don't know, maybe it's just my interpretation of the line, and maybe im understating the {if any) part. + Show Spoiler +If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. The fuck? It's early in the game, and there's pretty much 0 pressure on you to give out your reads to him. Saying you're then looking at them will surely change their behaviour, rendering the whole thing invalid? The whole post by matamburini is too big and had too many capitals, so I havent and probably wont read it.
You still have your vote on me, and i think you've spelled my name about 6 different ways. Apart from me, who do you think's scummy?
I don't have a clue what to expect from a 2-player player, but his post on how players enters the thread is alright. His quotes on jampidampi back this up. When the game started last night i couldnt really care, and i plan to return to that after this post for today. Previous newbie games i tried hard to analyse everything, and ended up being wrong and getting stressed, so it's carefree all the way for this game.
Erm, summary: Town. The heart post was funny, not much else in his filter. He hosted my first game, so I always thought he'd be super pro. Kita, warm my little heart and show me you're pro. I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ...that doesn't really say much about anything. He calls Cav a "slight shade of pink", and that's the closest he gets to a scumread. Everything else is a bunch of town reads, null reads, or posed questions. I also really dont' like the last bit of this post... Show nested quote +I'm bored now and hungry and i suck at analysis and nobody will probably read it ::longpost:: and all. back to short-shitposting for now. I'll talk about others tomorrow. ... for a number of reasons. Lack of confidence, lack of willingness to do analysis, openly declares intentions to shitpost... meh.
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