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On May 24 2014 08:00 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 07:57 geript wrote:On May 24 2014 07:47 layabout wrote:
hapa that was i was saying!!
the alakaslam thing is funny but bh had told us enough for anyone to work out and mafia always have the upper hand when working out role shit compared to vt's.
So with that said since i wasn't explicit geript is lying about being a vig, not sure if it makes him mafia dun wanna filter him. Look laya, put yourself in my shoes. Pretend that you're a vig, have had a pretty terrible D1 despite being obv town and are short on time. I'm rarely shot N1; hell I'm rarely shot N2. I have far more to gain by holding my shot. I could've shot a lurker like Meat, a mostly inactive like Onegu/OK, etc. But odds are that I have time to hold my shot in a game with like Koshi/Marv/BH/Hapa/Kita/Fool/etc. Especially wwhen I've been playing awfully and am likely to make an awful shot like say BH, Slam or Scumeling because of how biased I've been. It's just better play to wait in my position. In most positions in a large game like this it's a good idea to wait a few cycles. Keep on this train if you want but it's just a dead end. This is not the perspective of a town vigilante. Nobody buy this.
Whatever man.
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On May 24 2014 04:24 austinmcc wrote:
kush. Kush's filter is tiny and not too helpful, but it reads like the right amount of giving no fucks and giving out fuck yous. He complains a little about spamminess, which is fine by me. He complains when people can't understand arguments, which is fine by me. He's not DOING anything really, but in a way that strikes me as town.
This is a correct read but drawing the wrong conclusion; you've essentially given the tl;dr of my case but you didn't do the history check to see what it means for him.
As I indirectly said above, what you said is indicative of his mafia play, not his town play. I think we can all agree that Kush is someone who always makes spammy, aggressive one-liners and in general just gives zero fucks. So there's not much to be garnered from that.
However this is something to be garnered from how many reads he gives and thoughts about the players in the game. Let me demonstrate this by example. In our game I gathered all the posts where he directly says "I think person X is town/mafia". There's a total of two posts (maybe 3 if I missed one).
+ Show Spoiler +On May 22 2014 05:55 kushm4sta wrote:i think hapa is scumm because the below plus his case on valeris (or w/e) look like scum cases. Very surface level, generic, uncanny familiarity with what scum do. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:25 Hapahauli wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok Valenius can wait. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=33#650This is the scummiest post in this thread by far. It is extremely long, and could not be more useless. He's making a show of contributing to the town without actually providing anything in the way of analysis. There's nothing constructive posting one's "reads" in this manner. It's just a giant mind-dump with a bunch of quotes - a format that no one could possibly pick any useful information out of. On top of it, the actual content of the post just shits and shits on random things that players have said in the game. It's a very common type of post for mafia to make, and I'd like to see this guy dead. ##Unvote
##Vote mtanburini Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:On May 21 2014 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
See, I don't find tamburini's post all that bad.
Sure it was only focused on certain people, one of them including me, but its nt unlikely for him to include me specifically in his reads because we play video mafia together.
Some of his reads were pretty good, and I like it questioning, though I completely agree some of it was filler. The problem with his post isn't necessarily that every little bit of info is terrible. The problem is the presentation and scope. Firstly, it's almost designed to be the least efficient/effective way of communicating one's reads/information. When a townie finds someone suspicious, they are generally direct about it "I find <xxx> town, and <yyy> suspicious, for <zzz> reason." However this post is just a clusterfuck. His reads are buried in the middle of irrelevant banter, and hell he changes his mind on reads of the course of his post! The post is not designed to be helpful - it's designed to be massive and showy. Ergo, he's trying to appear like he's contributing without actually contributing. Secondly, the scope of the post is just a mess. He just finds random things in the thread that he doesn't agree with and is really snarky about them. That's a really common mafia tactic - to find a bunch of things to critique/shit-on in the thread. It gives the effect of making one appear to contribute, when in reality, nitpicking several posters is generally easy, creates paranoia, and serves no real constructive purpose to actually finding mafia. On May 23 2014 05:49 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote:
the vets who sheeped the Odin case look the worst like me? btw i think wos requesting replacement means he is town
Now I went to his filter in his town game, Normal Mini Mafia Episode 1 here and did the same thing. Keep in mind this game only last two days.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2014 10:13 kushm4sta wrote:thrawn is scum because he's wrong lol On January 20 2014 22:23 kushm4sta wrote:
Feels
thrawn's town.
wiley is town
i think rayn is town
i think VE is town
balla is scummy for being a scumhunter extraordinaire yet doing nothing
On January 20 2014 22:45 kushm4sta wrote:
i think bum is town On January 20 2014 23:03 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 23:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
They won't get tucked by counterclaims because a counterclaim doesn't mean anything as there can be more than one Boxer. So there aren't going to be any counterclaims. So when is this magical moment when we suddenly know who all the boxers are Kish? godamn it is turning me on how you keep calling me kish. we know at lylo when all the claims claim. We will probably know before then because that's just what usually happens. fine i agree to disagree with you VE. Still have you as town. On January 21 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote:
bum is scum and he is implying that you, VE, are wrong, and therefore town.
I'm not even half-way through his filter at this point...
For comparison, here's a game where he's mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 23 2014 23:34 kushm4sta wrote:
and fuck no are you obv town. i have seen you push scum teammates like that d1. LIQUID CITY On February 24 2014 22:15 kushm4sta wrote:
koshi probalby scum also.
all game all he does is tunnel me (major lynchbait), easy to make a "case" against
now he is speechless
"Cool Foolishness, you know how to data mine, but what does it mean?" Let me tell you what it means. When Kush is town, he is very open about giving his reads in his posts. He directly tells the town "this person is town here's why, this person is mafia here's why". Of course these come in the form of one-liners so the reasons aren't substantial (which is okay). This shows a town mindset, he's trying to figure out the game and he's not afraid to speak his mind which are both strong town characteristics.
However these sorts of posts are absent when he's mafia. Why? He doesn't feel the need to tell the town who is town and who is mafia because he already knows. That's what is happening this game and what happens in the games he's mafia. I checked two of his other games (one town, one mafia) and they both align in this matter.
Austin mentioned that Kush is complaining about spaminess, but that's not okay. He's complaining about spaminess but not doing anything to help the town. That's what mafia do and they do so well: tell the town they are sucking, running in circles, or needlessly fighting with each other. It's an easy thing to say and makes it look like they are helping when they aren't. And that's how you catch someone doing that, when they say what the town's problem is but not doing anything to help.
##Vote: Kushm4sta
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Catching up I'm on page 166 now
setup speculation's pretty lame, BH wanted to let us know something, great, we don't even know what it really means how about we catch the mafia instead
like tambo
or as... whoever it is has been saying, kush
I don't think I've seen kush post anything useful they're all stupid statements like
On May 24 2014 06:46 kushm4sta wrote:
wat there is recruitment this game also??? are you fucking kidding me. scumhunting is 100% useless so good luck with that
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I sheep foolishness
Kushm4sta
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I agree with this.
I was onto him since yesterday.
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Yeah I'm voting kush, let's go.
Sheep Foolishness you fools.
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On May 24 2014 08:37 Cavalinho wrote:
Yeah I'm voting kush, let's go.
Sheep Foolishness you fools.
Use CHUPAZI with these bamcis punnys!
SCHEEP FOOLISHNESS ALL YE PHUULZ OF UNWHEEZEDUMB
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On May 24 2014 08:33 mattisfoolish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 04:24 austinmcc wrote:
kush. Kush's filter is tiny and not too helpful, but it reads like the right amount of giving no fucks and giving out fuck yous. He complains a little about spamminess, which is fine by me. He complains when people can't understand arguments, which is fine by me. He's not DOING anything really, but in a way that strikes me as town.
This is a correct read but drawing the wrong conclusion; you've essentially given the tl;dr of my case but you didn't do the history check to see what it means for him. As I indirectly said above, what you said is indicative of his mafia play, not his town play. I think we can all agree that Kush is someone who always makes spammy, aggressive one-liners and in general just gives zero fucks. So there's not much to be garnered from that. However this is something to be garnered from how many reads he gives and thoughts about the players in the game. Let me demonstrate this by example. In our game I gathered all the posts where he directly says "I think person X is town/mafia". There's a total of two posts (maybe 3 if I missed one). + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2014 05:55 kushm4sta wrote:i think hapa is scumm because the below plus his case on valeris (or w/e) look like scum cases. Very surface level, generic, uncanny familiarity with what scum do. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:25 Hapahauli wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok Valenius can wait. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=33#650This is the scummiest post in this thread by far. It is extremely long, and could not be more useless. He's making a show of contributing to the town without actually providing anything in the way of analysis. There's nothing constructive posting one's "reads" in this manner. It's just a giant mind-dump with a bunch of quotes - a format that no one could possibly pick any useful information out of. On top of it, the actual content of the post just shits and shits on random things that players have said in the game. It's a very common type of post for mafia to make, and I'd like to see this guy dead. ##Unvote
##Vote mtanburini Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:On May 21 2014 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
See, I don't find tamburini's post all that bad.
Sure it was only focused on certain people, one of them including me, but its nt unlikely for him to include me specifically in his reads because we play video mafia together.
Some of his reads were pretty good, and I like it questioning, though I completely agree some of it was filler. The problem with his post isn't necessarily that every little bit of info is terrible. The problem is the presentation and scope. Firstly, it's almost designed to be the least efficient/effective way of communicating one's reads/information. When a townie finds someone suspicious, they are generally direct about it "I find <xxx> town, and <yyy> suspicious, for <zzz> reason." However this post is just a clusterfuck. His reads are buried in the middle of irrelevant banter, and hell he changes his mind on reads of the course of his post! The post is not designed to be helpful - it's designed to be massive and showy. Ergo, he's trying to appear like he's contributing without actually contributing. Secondly, the scope of the post is just a mess. He just finds random things in the thread that he doesn't agree with and is really snarky about them. That's a really common mafia tactic - to find a bunch of things to critique/shit-on in the thread. It gives the effect of making one appear to contribute, when in reality, nitpicking several posters is generally easy, creates paranoia, and serves no real constructive purpose to actually finding mafia. On May 23 2014 05:49 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote:
the vets who sheeped the Odin case look the worst like me? btw i think wos requesting replacement means he is town Now I went to his filter in his town game, Normal Mini Mafia Episode 1 here and did the same thing. Keep in mind this game only last two days. + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2014 10:13 kushm4sta wrote:thrawn is scum because he's wrong lol On January 20 2014 22:23 kushm4sta wrote:
Feels
thrawn's town.
wiley is town
i think rayn is town
i think VE is town
balla is scummy for being a scumhunter extraordinaire yet doing nothing
On January 20 2014 22:45 kushm4sta wrote:
i think bum is town On January 20 2014 23:03 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 23:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
They won't get tucked by counterclaims because a counterclaim doesn't mean anything as there can be more than one Boxer. So there aren't going to be any counterclaims. So when is this magical moment when we suddenly know who all the boxers are Kish? godamn it is turning me on how you keep calling me kish. we know at lylo when all the claims claim. We will probably know before then because that's just what usually happens. fine i agree to disagree with you VE. Still have you as town. On January 21 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote:
bum is scum and he is implying that you, VE, are wrong, and therefore town. I'm not even half-way through his filter at this point... For comparison, here's a game where he's mafia. + Show Spoiler +On February 23 2014 23:34 kushm4sta wrote:
and fuck no are you obv town. i have seen you push scum teammates like that d1. LIQUID CITY On February 24 2014 22:15 kushm4sta wrote:
koshi probalby scum also.
all game all he does is tunnel me (major lynchbait), easy to make a "case" against
now he is speechless
"Cool Foolishness, you know how to data mine, but what does it mean?" Let me tell you what it means. When Kush is town, he is very open about giving his reads in his posts. He directly tells the town "this person is town here's why, this person is mafia here's why". Of course these come in the form of one-liners so the reasons aren't substantial (which is okay). This shows a town mindset, he's trying to figure out the game and he's not afraid to speak his mind which are both strong town characteristics. However these sorts of posts are absent when he's mafia. Why? He doesn't feel the need to tell the town who is town and who is mafia because he already knows. That's what is happening this game and what happens in the games he's mafia. I checked two of his other games (one town, one mafia) and they both align in this matter. Austin mentioned that Kush is complaining about spaminess, but that's not okay. He's complaining about spaminess but not doing anything to help the town. That's what mafia do and they do so well: tell the town they are sucking, running in circles, or needlessly fighting with each other. It's an easy thing to say and makes it look like they are helping when they aren't. And that's how you catch someone doing that, when they say what the town's problem is but not doing anything to help. ##Vote: Kushm4sta
I think kush has a pretty decent chance to flip scum here. I like this post and it's most likely correct. kush was just more open and contributive as town. Let's get the wagon going!
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On May 24 2014 08:04 Steveling wrote:Btw something interesting happened. I had setup a trap for Koshi. In my analysis' posts last night I mentioned about him Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 02:52 Koshi wrote:
What about you tell me who you are and I sheep you? I implied that he posted this towards BH right after he posted his case. But koshi was just answering to bkq, the guy that died tonight. I wanted to see if he rly read the thread and cared because I know that as scum he doesn't. He didn't even mention it, so that shows he was scum, well that's not news now since he flipped but anyway that was my trap. Now comes the interesting part. I posted analysis on 11 people last night. The people with scummy looking bote switches to Odin. HolyFlare hard defended only one of them, marv. He said that he only defended him because there were obvious wrong points in my analysis. So the obvious question is, how come you didn't catch that rly obvious trap post about koshi, HF? Why did you not read my other cases and only focused on marv? Mby because you rly only cared about your team mate marv? Combine this with his "ima shoot burini" and his disappearance after the flips and I think we are left facing a scum.
Reading HF now I have to add this to his defence
On May 24 2014 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
Marv read = click filter, click all, ctrl+f scum and see how many times he's said it. Less than expected? then not town!
Legitimate.
But still, why didn't he notice that koshi trap?
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I'm not sheeping anyone.
These are the fruits I labored myself.
bote: kushmasta
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On May 24 2014 08:04 Steveling wrote:Btw something interesting happened. I had setup a trap for Koshi. In my analysis' posts last night I mentioned about him Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 02:52 Koshi wrote:
What about you tell me who you are and I sheep you? I implied that he posted this towards BH right after he posted his case. But koshi was just answering to bkq, the guy that died tonight. I wanted to see if he rly read the thread and cared because I know that as scum he doesn't. He didn't even mention it, so that shows he was scum, well that's not news now since he flipped but anyway that was my trap. Now comes the interesting part. I posted analysis on 11 people last night. The people with scummy looking bote switches to Odin. HolyFlare hard defended only one of them, marv. He said that he only defended him because there were obvious wrong points in my analysis. So the obvious question is, how come you didn't catch that rly obvious trap post about koshi, HF? Why did you not read my other cases and only focused on marv? Mby because you rly only cared about your team mate marv? Combine this with his "ima shoot burini" and his disappearance after the flips and I think we are left facing a scum.
you severely underestimate my sexual magnetism
also britbros4life
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caught up now
cool with lynching:
- tambo
- valenius
- kush
- ritoky
i needa read through thrawn's stuff though looks like a lotta people don't like 'im
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ebwop totally hopping on dat kush wagon
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yeah but the difference is im not reading this game at all
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I'd need to think about what I think about the stuff kush said on hapa before i decided if i was happy voting him or not. i guess i'll do that tomorrow
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you cant compare this game to a mini town game.
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to elaborate, kush randomly attacked someone who is/was pretty universally considered a townread (hapa) and gave fairly legitimate reasons for doing so.
seems a funky play if mafia
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in all fairness marv, if i was mafia i could be legitimately scum hunting and have scum reads.
so you cant really read my alignment based on that.
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Can someone tell me why Ritoky is mafia?
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On May 24 2014 08:53 kushm4sta wrote:
in all fairness marv, if i was mafia i could be legitimately scum hunting and have scum reads.
so you cant really read my alignment based on that.
ha. do you want me to vote you then, or do you want me to potentially look somewhere else?
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