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geript
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marvellosity
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On May 24 2014 08:55 mattisfoolish wrote: Can someone tell me why Ritoky is mafia? filter layabout is a decent bet | ||
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kushm4sta
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Steveling
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geript
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On May 24 2014 08:55 mattisfoolish wrote: Can someone tell me why Ritoky is mafia? Read his filter. Like he drops and pickups reads at weird times. He had a scumread on Tambo but when it comes to lynching her ritoky moves to push Wave/Laya. Like there's pluses and minuses with him, but he's had some very disjointed thought processes. | ||
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marvellosity
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kitaman27
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On May 21 2014 10:15 BlueyD wrote: NO to rng lynch. Bad idea. End of story for me. Early on he takes the approach that I would expect knowing that Odin is likely town. Nothing too criminal here though. On May 21 2014 10:53 BlueyD wrote: Wasn't so convinced by the case on Valenius when I read it. His posts weren't pretend-contributions of the scummy type, they were just obviously irrelevant. Don't like how he follows it up with RNG-lynch talk, though. The whole thing is just a good place for scum to hide and not have to make any reads. --- On layabout: I'd like someone who knows him to confirm he always picks BH for an early vote... At multiple points, he takes a wishy washy approach to to his reads. Makes one point why a player is town, makes another point why a player is mafia, without coming to a conclusion. He does this with both Valenius and mtamburini. It's possible to be a townie who isn't really sure this early in the game, but I think it's a bigger concern considering he doesn't find many things suspicious early on. He shares the common opinion that the case on Cephiro feels stretch, but he doesn't say whether he feels that Cephiro is a town player that is forcing a case or if he is a mafia player that is pushing a player maliciously. Here is the part that I find severe: + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote: Yellow’s is just... -a lot of rng discussion with very few reads, -that switch from “BH’s method doesn’t work well” to “okay let’s do it”, and the general fact he’s for rng lynch -mentions the fact that there are multiple scum factions twice and seems to think it’s important. - and there’s at least one gem of defensive thought right here: On May 22 2014 00:26 BlueyD wrote: Oh, fun, I just saw your newest post. You are literally townreading someone who is pushing for your lynch (poofter), and who has his vote on you. I don't even know anymore. On May 22 2014 09:58 BlueyD wrote: Hmmm there’s a decent amount of people townreading yellow and I don’t get it, at all. I think the 3 I was analyzing below were for town-yellow, huh. HF you’re one of those who townread him, why? Is he often lynched early when he’s town? Basically is he lynchbait? Cuz he still doesn’t look good to me. Here he essentially gives multiple reasons why he finds Yellow as scummy. First off, I don't find the reasons to be all that compelling. Him changing his mind on BH's rng policy isn't a huge deal, the setup and rng discussion is a minor point, but not the basis of a case, and town reading poofter who is voting for him seems more of a townie action than something you would expect from a mafia player. On May 22 2014 13:51 BlueyD wrote: Things be good. While I'm at it: ##vote mtamburini Don't think Yellow is replying to me tonight so I'll just have to put my vote on who I think is the strongest case now. Secondly, he gives a really weird excuse for moving off yellow so easily. He moves his vote due to a lack of reply, but there is no real followup to his yellow case to push the player he believes to have caught as scum. He does mention that he finds hapa's post on tam valid, but throughout the entire day one he doesn't bring anything new to the table. It seems like he is looking for a player to vote, rather than scumhunt. Once he finds a player, he disappears from the thread for an 18 hour period. On May 23 2014 07:45 BlueyD wrote: Are you kidding me? We actually lynched the RNG target. What the hell. You're all bad. Only had time to check the lynch, Will be back later. When he returns, he gives us this post. A ton of the time, you'll see a mafia player post something like that, blaming town for their incompetence, even though he showed that he didn't care enough to even show up at the lynch. It's real easy to blame others when you do nothing to actually stop it. He attacks Cavalinho for the way he handle the Odin/tam/val vote switch, which is fine in theory, but I think there is too much blame here based on a him not participating in an unrealistic last minute vote swing. Mafia will also generally go out of their way to complain about the blue claims when they see a bad one, which he does with steve and slam. Overall, I think he does enough to get by, but he hasn't done anything that makes me feel like he prioritizing figuring out the game, rather than doing what is necessary for survival. Leaning mafia. Will post about a couple others later tonight or tomorrow morning. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 24 2014 08:58 marvellosity wrote: I actually meant, layabout talks about ritoky a lot, but whatever :p Lol,then I don't agree. I'm saying that he's a good scum candidate. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
layabout being mafia or not is another matter entirely | ||
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mattisfoolish
United States76 Posts
On May 24 2014 09:01 marvellosity wrote: you can't not agree, it's a simple fact that layabout talks about ritoky a lot layabout being mafia or not is another matter entirely I mean, layabout's stuff on Ritoky looks pretty solid. Unless someone else said it before him and he's just sheeping I don't know why you'd question layabout. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
you said "what is the case on ritoky" i said "look at layabout's filter (it has a lot of ritoky stuff)" what's the confusion? | ||
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Steveling
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mattisfoolish
United States76 Posts
On May 24 2014 08:59 kitaman27 wrote: BlueyD Early on he takes the approach that I would expect knowing that Odin is likely town. Nothing too criminal here though. At multiple points, he takes a wishy washy approach to to his reads. Makes one point why a player is town, makes another point why a player is mafia, without coming to a conclusion. He does this with both Valenius and mtamburini. It's possible to be a townie who isn't really sure this early in the game, but I think it's a bigger concern considering he doesn't find many things suspicious early on. He shares the common opinion that the case on Cephiro feels stretch, but he doesn't say whether he feels that Cephiro is a town player that is forcing a case or if he is a mafia player that is pushing a player maliciously. Here is the part that I find severe: + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote: Yellow’s is just... -a lot of rng discussion with very few reads, -that switch from “BH’s method doesn’t work well” to “okay let’s do it”, and the general fact he’s for rng lynch -mentions the fact that there are multiple scum factions twice and seems to think it’s important. - and there’s at least one gem of defensive thought right here: On May 22 2014 00:26 BlueyD wrote: Oh, fun, I just saw your newest post. You are literally townreading someone who is pushing for your lynch (poofter), and who has his vote on you. I don't even know anymore. On May 22 2014 09:58 BlueyD wrote: Hmmm there’s a decent amount of people townreading yellow and I don’t get it, at all. I think the 3 I was analyzing below were for town-yellow, huh. HF you’re one of those who townread him, why? Is he often lynched early when he’s town? Basically is he lynchbait? Cuz he still doesn’t look good to me. Here he essentially gives multiple reasons why he finds Yellow as scummy. First off, I don't find the reasons to be all that compelling. Him changing his mind on BH's rng policy isn't a huge deal, the setup and rng discussion is a minor point, but not the basis of a case, and town reading poofter who is voting for him seems more of a townie action than something you would expect from a mafia player. Secondly, he gives a really weird excuse for moving off yellow so easily. He moves his vote due to a lack of reply, but there is no real followup to his yellow case to push the player he believes to have caught as scum. He does mention that he finds hapa's post on tam valid, but throughout the entire day one he doesn't bring anything new to the table. It seems like he is looking for a player to vote, rather than scumhunt. Once he finds a player, he disappears from the thread for an 18 hour period. When he returns, he gives us this post. A ton of the time, you'll see a mafia player post something like that, blaming town for their incompetence, even though he showed that he didn't care enough to even show up at the lynch. It's real easy to blame others when you do nothing to actually stop it. He attacks Cavalinho for the way he handle the Odin/tam/val vote switch, which is fine in theory, but I think there is too much blame here based on a him not participating in an unrealistic last minute vote swing. Mafia will also generally go out of their way to complain about the blue claims when they see a bad one, which he does with steve and slam. Overall, I think he does enough to get by, but he hasn't done anything that makes me feel like he prioritizing figuring out the game, rather than doing what is necessary for survival. Leaning mafia. Will post about a couple others later tonight or tomorrow morning. +1 | ||
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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
We can only kill one person at a time guys. If there's a vigilante out there, shoot BlueyD after the lynch. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 24 2014 09:14 Cavalinho wrote: Ugh. We can only kill one person at a time guys. If there's a vigilante out there, shoot BlueyD after the lynch. we're 4 hours into the dayphase? hello? | ||
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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
I don't understand what the issue is here. Do you want neither of these players dead at this point? | ||
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mattisfoolish
United States76 Posts
On May 24 2014 09:10 marvellosity wrote: i wasn't questioning layabout you said "what is the case on ritoky" i said "look at layabout's filter (it has a lot of ritoky stuff)" what's the confusion? There isn't any, I understood what you meant the first time and I went and looked. I'm wondering why you're questioning layabout's alignment. This tells me either: 1) You think that Ritoky is town and Layabout is mafia. (If this is the case and you've said so I apologize for not catching it). 2) You know something the rest of us don't and are pushing an agenda. And before you deny that you're not questioning layabout: On May 24 2014 09:01 marvellosity wrote: you can't not agree, it's a simple fact that layabout talks about ritoky a lot layabout being mafia or not is another matter entirely | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 24 2014 09:18 Cavalinho wrote: I don't understand what the issue is here. Do you want neither of these players dead at this point? why are you advocating shooting someone after the lynch when they could actually be the lynch? nothing is decided yet and it's so early, it's such an odd thing to suggest | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 24 2014 09:19 mattisfoolish wrote: There isn't any, I understood what you meant the first time and I went and looked. I'm wondering why you're questioning layabout's alignment. This tells me either: 1) You think that Ritoky is town and Layabout is mafia. (If this is the case and you've said so I apologize for not catching it). 2) You know something the rest of us don't and are pushing an agenda. And before you deny that you're not questioning layabout: no, that's me saying layabout's alignment is a different matter to the fact that layabout talked a lot about ritoky, I was literally passing no judgement whatsoever at that juncture | ||
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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
On May 24 2014 09:19 marvellosity wrote: why are you advocating shooting someone after the lynch when they could actually be the lynch? nothing is decided yet and it's so early, it's such an odd thing to suggest I don't really see how it's odd at all. I think the bottom line is that I want both of these players dead, so I don't see what your issue is with me wanting to kill two at once. | ||
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