EPTI think it's important we pause for a moment and consider whether or not steveling's confusion about kill flavor was genuine. If you think he's scum, you also think he's faking confusion over how nk flavor works in an attempt to look townie. The thing is, I've seen nothing from Steveling indicating he's smart enough to do that, and everything from him indicating he's inexperienced/bad enough to not know how nk flavor would work. He really seems like the guy who might expect that if he shot someone, they would be "Steved" to death in the day post. Do you think I'm underestimating his intelligence?
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Blazinghand
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I think it's important we pause for a moment and consider whether or not steveling's confusion about kill flavor was genuine. If you think he's scum, you also think he's faking confusion over how nk flavor works in an attempt to look townie. The thing is, I've seen nothing from Steveling indicating he's smart enough to do that, and everything from him indicating he's inexperienced/bad enough to not know how nk flavor would work. He really seems like the guy who might expect that if he shot someone, they would be "Steved" to death in the day post. Do you think I'm underestimating his intelligence? | ||
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austinmcc
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Also, do you make anything about mtam's return? You're in the position to know exactly how YOU think if someone goes "I'm going to shoot this guy overnight." mtam was super duper duper targeted by HF, who appeared more serious than other threateners. If you thought you were really going to be shot, how do you act that night, and how do you act upon seeing yourself not shot? | ||
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austinmcc
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marvellosity
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Blazinghand
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tired of him being alive instead of dead | ||
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austinmcc
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On May 24 2014 05:36 marvellosity wrote: ?Koshi died? That is unbelievably annoying | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On May 24 2014 05:33 Steveling wrote: Slam+BH 3rd party confirmed. Ironically enough considering BH's name they are the fire djinnies. ##bote: Blazinghand You know, in foundation mafia, MULE had a role that could write messages to town with day/night posts This looks awfully convenient for that same type of scenario, and explains why M_Z of all folks dies. | ||
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Steveling
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On May 24 2014 05:35 austinmcc wrote: Steve why would hapa and mtam not be in the discussion today or topics of discussion? Also, do you make anything about mtam's return? You're in the position to know exactly how YOU think if someone goes "I'm going to shoot this guy overnight." mtam was super duper duper targeted by HF, who appeared more serious than other threateners. If you thought you were really going to be shot, how do you act that night, and how do you act upon seeing yourself not shot? Above the others I mentioned? | ||
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marvellosity
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Hapahauli
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Xatalos
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On May 24 2014 05:36 marvellosity wrote: Koshi died? That is unbelievably annoying You're also Mercury I guess?  | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On May 24 2014 05:33 Steveling wrote: Slam+BH 3rd party confirmed. Ironically enough considering BH's name they are the fire djinnies. ##bote: Blazinghand wouldn't this actually be "fitting" rather than "ironic"? It would be ironic if my name was like, frostinghand. but instead it's literally the opposite of that. | ||
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Xatalos
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If it's like that, then some of the other factions may be hostile towards each others, some may be neutral, allied etc... | ||
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Steveling
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On May 24 2014 05:39 Blazinghand wrote: wouldn't this actually be "fitting" rather than "ironic"? It would be ironic if my name was like, frostinghand. but instead it's literally the opposite of that. No it's ironic because you would obviously try to use your name as an excuse, like you did earlier in your mean post calling me dumb. Mods knew very well what they were doing giving you a Fire djinni role. | ||
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Ange777
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VOTE COUNT DAY 2: mtamburini (2): OnceKing, Blazinghand Steveling (1): Alakaslam Blazinghand (1): Steveling Not voting: Everyone else Currently mtamburini is set to be lynched with 2 votes! Deadline is in . Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in the Voting Thread. | ||
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kushm4sta
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marvellosity
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On May 24 2014 03:25 Hapahauli wrote: I'm going to use the above votecount to structure my thoughts. By looking at the votes, we can get a better idea about the motivations of certain players, and it can help identify certain mafia tells that might be present in a multi-faction game. I'm dividing posters into 3 categories:
People off of the main wagons: There's a good chance that certain mafia/faction members will want to "blend-in" and "hide", and one very instinctual way of doing that is to avoid the main course of discussion, take "non-controversial" stances, and avoid contributing by pursuing/voting someone who is not being talked about and has very little chance of getting lynched. In this category of players, we have: mtamburini rikoty geript Cephiro Tehpoofter kitaman sqrtofneg1 WaveofShadow I'm going to start with Mafia Reads, move to Null Reads, and then to Townies: Mtamburini + Show Spoiler + Mtamburini's vote looks extremely bad by all accounts. On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote: I Vote:: tehpoofter why? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar Tehpoofter had virtually no chance of getting lynched yesterday, and this is the definition of a wasted vote by all accounts. His reasoning for placing his vote where it was is also pretty suspect: why? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote: I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null. ... On May 23 2014 04:59 mtamburini wrote: tehpoofter uses sarcasm as either allignment but you can usually tell by the tone of his sarcasm what allignement he is. From his initial posts Im reading the sarcasm as more scummy then towny All of this is really strange. The first two quotes can be barely considered reads. The 3rd quote is extremely manufactured and makes very little sense - tambo had never mentioned tehpoofters "sarcasm" all game, and then it shows up in a very mystical and unexplained read (what is the difference between town/mafia sarcasm?). Quote #2 is additionally strange - he voted a read (tehpoofter) that he felt was moving from Scummy to Null. Not only is this really weak, but he did so over Bunnies, who he's been seemingly tunneling most of the game, and has explicitly called her a strong scum-read in earlier posts. His rationale for not voting Bunnies is weak and makes little sense: On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote: ... Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. ... To understand why this makes so little sense, read this post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=45#896 ...then read page 3 of his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?user=mtamburini&page=3 He doesn't vote a scumread because he believes that scumread could be town, but then votes tehpoofter (his "scummy moving to null" read) because... man I don't even know. sqrtofneg1 + Show Spoiler + His deadline behavior is pretty strange. After he comes back a couple of hours before lynch deadline, he quickly establishes a town-read on Odin... On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie. Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care. On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I recommend lynching Val. Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. It's a very poorly explained town-read. His point about "Odin not trying to get out of the lynch" doesn't make much sense either, since Odin had stated earlier he'd be gone until the deadline. Futhermore, Odin was under very little pressure at the time he said that. It seems more like he's trying to justify not voting for Odin as opposed to being sincere with his read. Sqrt then pops down a very "clean" vote on Valenius... On May 23 2014 03:12 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, I've played games with both tambo and val, and here's what I've got so far. Valenius's filter from NMM LIV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Valenius&view=all He was vanilla town. He was much more active in scumhunting, he was much more direct, he was different. Tambo's filter from NMM LV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?user=mtamburini He was vanilla town. The filter is a bit more strange because he claimed vig, but it's more accurate of his play than when he was cop imo. I've concluded that Valenius has been acting more strange, in comparison, rather than Tambo. ##Unvote ##Vote: Valenius ... then POOF! He's gone for the last two hours of shenanigans! Despite having a town read on Odin, he never seems to try and act on it to prevent it. He disappears... then instantly reappears at lynch deadline! This is a really suspicious 2 hours of absence. Another *really* odd thing about his filter is how many town reads he gives out over the course of the game. He gives them out like candy, is seemingly confident in a lot of them, and... yeah. I'm not sure if this is a mafia tell in this particular setup, but it's something that definetely caught my eye on a readthrough. Cephiro + Show Spoiler + Given that Cephiro was AFK for the last half of the day, it's hard for me to get an accurate read on him. However the first half of his day 1 play seems like it would come from some sort of faction. I won't talk much about the contents of his big case. What's more important is that he didn't talk about anything other than his case on bunnies at all. This lines up with the idea of a faction wanting to "hunt" for players, but not necessarily interested in contributing to town discussion. Again, hard to make a complete read on him due to him being AFK for a while, but his play objectively fits pretty well with how I'd think a faction member hunting other faction members would approach this game: find a target, push him/her, and really not contribute to town discussion otherwise. Ritoky + Show Spoiler + Hard to say. His play is pretty short and straightforward. He believed layabout was scum, voted him, and then had to step out: On May 22 2014 19:48 ritoky wrote: Well, I am going to sleep and I am not sure if I will make it back before the deadline. For me it's between WOS and layabout. WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says. Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling. Gonna go with layabout. ##vote layabout Nothing in his filter that screams his alignment one way or the other. WaveofShadow + Show Spoiler + Well he replaced out. This makes a lot of his lack of interest and activity in the latter half of the game pretty explainable. I wasn't altogether please with his play (especially his stuff on Holyflare), but it's better not to make judgements about an incomplete filter and let his replacement talk some. Geript I believe to be town. Geript is extremely active and emotional this game. His tunnels seem very genuine, and while he ended up on BlazingHand, he definitely was very involved in the chaos and discussion of the day. He's drawn a ton of attention to himself, and really isn't someone I'm concerned about. Tehpoofter I'm less sure about, but I think he's town. He's playing extraordinarily different from his scum-game in You Only Shoot Once, and was fairly active/involved early on. He was afk for the last ~24 hours of the day (not changing his vote or posting at all), which leads me to believe his vote being off of one of the main wagons is a null-tell. Based on his early day behavior, I give him a moderate town read, with the expectation that he continues that in future days. That's Hapa's voting analysis thingy Hapa I don't think Cephiro is mafia atm. His whole bunnies thing was sooo convoluted. And I've seen him all over the place like that as town before. I remember catching him in LXII and his posts were much clearer. So yeah. sqrt I think I agree on, the Odin townread does kinda reek of TMI. | ||
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Xatalos
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On May 24 2014 05:41 kushm4sta wrote: so how is steveling scum if he is new to forum mafia (right?) and he has 17 pages. new scum don't do that. I never said I'm bad scum. I was scum twice and carried my team to victory both times without a single casualty. So I'm awesome and I could totally play you guys. But I'm town. | ||
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