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On May 26 2014 09:47 Valenius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 20:42 mtamburini wrote:
So I have not caught up yet fully on everything that has happened so I will cast my vote now based on Hapa's current vote as I really like the way he built a case on rikoty, looking through his filter for the reason he casted his vote today bring up a good point on yellow, Im a reluctant to cast my vote on him because of our newbie game he was acting scummy and ended up being town but I trust in hapa right now.
##Vote: Yellow
I am headed to work now and if I can get some more reading and that will change my vote one way or the other it will happen but Im pretty much going all in with hapa ATM Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 07:46 mtamburini wrote:
Where did the READ ALL button go! I hate skipping through pages Like, does nobody else find this scummy as fuck? The 'all' button disappears after 50 pages.. we're now at 225 pages.
Eh, tambo has been scummy all game. The fact that he isnt following along is either a fake dumbtell as mafia or an actual dumbtell... Tambo would do both.
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So in a way, I like your case on once. He basically puts suspicion on you the entire game, but doesn't push it at all.
Either
1. Softing something on vale but knows it wont go through if he pushes it
2. Vale/ OK Scum partners trying to get suspicion OFF of Each other if either were to get lynched.
3. Actual scum who's just sheeping other votes to make it seem like he is active and seems like vale could be an easy push eventually, but not yet...
So thats what im reading.
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On May 26 2014 09:50 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 09:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:47 Steveling wrote:
2nd time in a couple hours someone says I'm town along with bh.
The next time someone feels the need to do that pls don't.
Just file me under "scum", tyvm. Ive had you in my town since d1 so its nothing new. Yeah but I prefer being scum than being town with bh.
You cant always get what you want.
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On May 26 2014 09:55 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 09:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 26 2014 09:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 26 2014 09:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Allow me to ask you a question or 2.
What do you think of errandor?
Who is tryharding the most right now? Who are you asking this to? Originally meant for you, but if anyone else wants to answer, feel free. Ehhh, i don't like errandor's big soapbox thing. Most people prob call him town for it. I think its a load of bullcrap. I went through a lot of filters myself, sifting through replies, read 200+ pages. I feel he is just complaining to complain. I want to see more from him in the upcoming days. If he doesnt feel like reading through 200 pages, fine. Start from here, make reads. But dont come into the thread, say you are going to give reads and read through everything, and then dont contribute much but a couple of paragraphs complaining... As for tryharding.... Explain what you mean by that? Who's doing the most work? Who's the most towny? Hmmm. I like HF this game. As for most work, not sure. Austin was doing a lot of work, but we lynched him. Im going to read vale's thing on onceking. I think a lot of trolling is going on, and not any solid cases being pushed. But my town is pretty decent atm.
Hf, bh, slam, and steve.I think these have been contributing the most, even if bh was just pushing his rng thing, atleast he was doing something. If geript is actual vigi, he will be placed in my list. I also liked tehpoofter d1, but he hasnt done much since then. I dont like eran, you, thrawn, tamburini or ceph this game. Those are the ones im going to look into. Yeah I am pretty much sold on you as scum now. I don't think you were targeted last night, and nothing you're doing or saying is exuding town at all, so that doesn't make you a power role; 1 option left.. This town circle is absolute crap. HF is a PROVEN investigative role, austin basically 100% confirmed it, and 2 of the other 3 have claimed blue roles for 3 phases and been uncontested in their claims. You're not actually pushing forward any new cases or doing anything for town's benefit. You're just sheeping tons of information and acting like you're doing stuff by giving a plethora of not very useful content. You seriously don't have a town read outside of 3 basically proven townies at this point and a spammer? This is not town bunnies, I am sorry.
He asked who Im finding MOST townie. Not all who are in my town circle. And if you read my filter, you will see that HF, BH, and Steve have been in my town since day 1 before their claims. So their claims for me are basically moot at this point.
I prob wasnt targeted last night and you are thinking you can get an easy lynch on me tbh. I dont really see what you have done this game.... Ill read your filter eventually.
If i was targeted, not sure what happened tbh. A town watcher? A mafia stalker?
Maybe ill die in the night. Who knows. I could have been poisoned. Im not sure what got your check back on me. Or whatever it was.
Which btw: did you read what i wrote? Apparently not.
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On May 26 2014 10:02 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Oh, @Bunnies
Are you saying that your role has nothing to do with magic whatsoever?
Could I get you to confirm or deny that please?
my being town has nothing to do with magic.
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On May 26 2014 10:00 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 09:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 26 2014 09:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 26 2014 09:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Allow me to ask you a question or 2.
What do you think of errandor?
Who is tryharding the most right now? Who are you asking this to? Originally meant for you, but if anyone else wants to answer, feel free. Ehhh, i don't like errandor's big soapbox thing. Most people prob call him town for it. I think its a load of bullcrap. I went through a lot of filters myself, sifting through replies, read 200+ pages. I feel he is just complaining to complain. I want to see more from him in the upcoming days. If he doesnt feel like reading through 200 pages, fine. Start from here, make reads. But dont come into the thread, say you are going to give reads and read through everything, and then dont contribute much but a couple of paragraphs complaining... As for tryharding.... Explain what you mean by that? Who's doing the most work? Who's the most towny? Hmmm. I like HF this game. As for most work, not sure. Austin was doing a lot of work, but we lynched him. Im going to read vale's thing on onceking. I think a lot of trolling is going on, and not any solid cases being pushed. But my town is pretty decent atm. Hf, bh, slam, and steve. I think these have been contributing the most, even if bh was just pushing his rng thing, atleast he was doing something. If geript is actual vigi, he will be placed in my list. I also liked tehpoofter d1, but he hasnt done much since then. I dont like eran, you, thrawn, tamburini or ceph this game. Those are the ones im going to look into. Why is you're read on me dependent on me correctly claiming a kill?
So i think you are town. Not the most townie, but town.
So your initial push on slam i liked, even though I sorta in a way liked slam, and scum read you for it, but now looking through your filter, the fact you were willing to push on a read like that hard, even if it was a bit tunneling (like Brian tunneling) i like you for it.
Something that caught my eye in your filter is you went from this
On May 24 2014 05:06 geript wrote:
@hapa, didn't you have a townread on yellow before? I know I did. I'll check out his filter i guess.
To this
On May 24 2014 07:25 geript wrote:
I agree Xat, les lynch yellow.
With nothing in the middle that made it seem like you changed your read.
So explain?
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On May 26 2014 10:05 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 10:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:55 ritoky wrote:On May 26 2014 09:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 26 2014 09:40 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 26 2014 09:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 09:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Allow me to ask you a question or 2.
What do you think of errandor?
Who is tryharding the most right now? Who are you asking this to? Originally meant for you, but if anyone else wants to answer, feel free. Ehhh, i don't like errandor's big soapbox thing. Most people prob call him town for it. I think its a load of bullcrap. I went through a lot of filters myself, sifting through replies, read 200+ pages. I feel he is just complaining to complain. I want to see more from him in the upcoming days. If he doesnt feel like reading through 200 pages, fine. Start from here, make reads. But dont come into the thread, say you are going to give reads and read through everything, and then dont contribute much but a couple of paragraphs complaining... As for tryharding.... Explain what you mean by that? Who's doing the most work? Who's the most towny? Hmmm. I like HF this game. As for most work, not sure. Austin was doing a lot of work, but we lynched him. Im going to read vale's thing on onceking. I think a lot of trolling is going on, and not any solid cases being pushed. But my town is pretty decent atm.
Hf, bh, slam, and steve.I think these have been contributing the most, even if bh was just pushing his rng thing, atleast he was doing something. If geript is actual vigi, he will be placed in my list. I also liked tehpoofter d1, but he hasnt done much since then. I dont like eran, you, thrawn, tamburini or ceph this game. Those are the ones im going to look into. Yeah I am pretty much sold on you as scum now. I don't think you were targeted last night, and nothing you're doing or saying is exuding town at all, so that doesn't make you a power role; 1 option left.. This town circle is absolute crap. HF is a PROVEN investigative role, austin basically 100% confirmed it, and 2 of the other 3 have claimed blue roles for 3 phases and been uncontested in their claims. You're not actually pushing forward any new cases or doing anything for town's benefit. You're just sheeping tons of information and acting like you're doing stuff by giving a plethora of not very useful content. You seriously don't have a town read outside of 3 basically proven townies at this point and a spammer? This is not town bunnies, I am sorry. He asked who Im finding MOST townie. Not all who are in my town circle. And if you read my filter, you will see that HF, BH, and Steve have been in my town since day 1 before their claims. So their claims for me are basically moot at this point. I prob wasnt targeted last night and you are thinking you can get an easy lynch on me tbh. I dont really see what you have done this game.... Ill read your filter eventually. If i was targeted, not sure what happened tbh. A town watcher? A mafia stalker? Maybe ill die in the night. Who knows. I could have been poisoned. Im not sure what got your check back on me. Or whatever it was. Which btw: did you read what i wrote? Apparently not. "I don't see what you have done, but I haven't read your filter" That's and OMGUS right there. You're selling me further.
Haha not an omgus. Idec tbh.
What i meant by that is, nothing you have done has stood out to me from what i have read from you in the thread, and i havent really intended to push a case on you for not standing out.
But if you would like me to read your filter and point things out, by all means i can.
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On May 26 2014 10:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Does your role have anything to do with magic?
I answered above. I have nothing to do with magic. Like at all.
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On May 26 2014 10:05 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +I prob wasnt targeted last night and you are thinking you can get an easy lynch on me tbh. I dont really see what you have done this game.... Ill read your filter eventually.
well thats defensive :O
Not sure how that was defensive?
It was pretty straight forward.
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On May 26 2014 10:16 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 10:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 10:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Does your role have anything to do with magic? I answered above. I have nothing to do with magic. Like at all. So are you saying that ritoky's lying?
For all i know, ritoky could be telling the truth.
But first, ritoky. Tell me exactly whatever you got this magic thing from said. Because the wording makes all the difference.
So here's possible situations.
1. Ritoky is scum and is lying and trying to get me lynched for my lack of activity day 2.
2. Ritoky is telling the truth, and somehow i got targeted by someone with a magic role in the night. Like i said, maybe town watcher? Mafia stalker? Something else? Idk. So many possibilities in a closed setup.
3. Im lying to all of you to get ritoky lynched.
#3 isnt even possible because im town.
Could be either 1 or 2.
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On May 26 2014 10:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Bunnies, you've just shot up to the top of my scum list.
Yay!!! Im at the top of someone's scum list.
Now i get to major defend myself in the upcoming day(s) because people will start reading me wrong and now theres no possible way of me dying in the night.
Thanks sqrt. You made my life sooo much easier.
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On May 26 2014 10:21 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 10:19 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 10:16 sqrtofneg1 wrote:On May 26 2014 10:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 10:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Does your role have anything to do with magic? I answered above. I have nothing to do with magic. Like at all. So are you saying that ritoky's lying? For all i know, ritoky could be telling the truth. But first, ritoky. Tell me exactly whatever you got this magic thing from said. Because the wording makes all the difference. So here's possible situations. 1. Ritoky is scum and is lying and trying to get me lynched for my lack of activity day 2. 2. Ritoky is telling the truth, and somehow i got targeted by someone with a magic role in the night. Like i said, maybe town watcher? Mafia stalker? Something else? Idk. So many possibilities in a closed setup. 3. Im lying to all of you to get ritoky lynched. #3 isnt even possible because im town. Could be either 1 or 2. 1. Most people had a townread on you. 2. Possible. 3. I think this is it.
Hmmm. Most people have had a town read on me. I wonder why this is. Prob because i am town.
So by all means, make a case on me sqrt. This game has been boring for me anyway.
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On May 26 2014 10:23 sqrtofneg1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 10:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 10:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Bunnies, you've just shot up to the top of my scum list. Yay!!! Im at the top of someone's scum list. Now i get to major defend myself in the upcoming day(s) because people will start reading me wrong and now theres no possible way of me dying in the night. Thanks sqrt. You made my life sooo much easier. No problem. Why is there no possible way of you dying this night? Cop, check this girl, or check ritoky plz.
Because, if someone or multiple people are reading me as scum, why would mafia kill me in the night? Town can do it for them.
Also, cop, dont check me unless you are 100% uncertain if im town, because it would be a waste of a check otherwise.
Unless you want to have another town in your list, then go ahead.
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On May 26 2014 10:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
I've returned.
I've journeyed twice unto the abyss, both ventures being a success. I've glimpsed many endgames, and only a few to my liking.
The path to victory lies through [redacted]'s battered corpse!
He was not there. I saw a vision. A vision, of mine own endgame. Many were there... were they my foes? My allies? I could not say. All I knew was that I was victorious, and [redacted] was nowhere to be seen.
THEREFORE, the heretic [redacted] must be purged from this game!
All you who seek to win, direct your malice upon the heretic [redacted]!
I post this now as a tribute to those who whose blood floweth green!
Ummmm?
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On May 26 2014 10:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
if you are confused, clearly the message isn't meant for you
Well my blood floweth green so its meant for me....
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On May 26 2014 10:29 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 10:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
if you are confused, clearly the message isn't meant for you Well my blood floweth green so its meant for me....
I think?
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On May 26 2014 10:32 geript wrote:
I'm tempted to shoot bunnies. Maybe Wrandor or Thrawn. I really need to start taking notes. Bunnies response re:ritoky magic thing seems really weird. I'm so exhausted.
Well it would be my first time being shot in forum....i dont even think ive been shot in video maf before. Lol
I took notes for like the first 5 pages of this game, then was like, fuck this. I got this. Lol
What about my response seemed weird? Im not sure where you are getting at here.
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Soooo... Ritoky... I looked through your filter. Im still not impressed but i probably wont vote you tomorrow.
I think your claim of me being touched by magic could be true. Who knows. Maybe ill find out in the upcoming days. It is odd that id be a night target, but odder things have happened.
So this here is your most substantial post.
On May 25 2014 08:38 ritoky wrote:Alright, as I am watching the sounders game; hopefully I can get through this post on the current state of my reads: Group 1 - People leaving things to be desired: Tehpoofter - Pretty sure this guy was one of the towniest towns to ever town for a solid 6-8 hrs during D1, and since then he has mostly disappeared. I don't know if it's irl related, or too much reading, or intentional; but from what I understand he has certainly played enough mafia in his days for it to not just be him being overwhelmed by the volume of the thread. While he hasn't done enough of this for me to wash away his shiny town smell. He certainly is leaving things to be desired. 27ninjabunnies - This may sound a bit weird, but if I ignore your first 5 pages of your 9 page filter (the majority of which happened within the first 24 hours of the game starting); then I am highly underwhelmed. There's a lot of OGI irl posts, a lot of "hey catching up posts", and a lot of slight subtle commentary posts. It is clearly present that you are here a lot and reading the thread frequently; and yet you haven't pushed a case very strongly on anyone since the minor effort you put on tamburini. This was certainly not the town bunnies I was ride or die with on day 1 of the last newbie game. Your stock is plummeting for me and you are leaving things to be desired. mtabmburini - You sure are making it hard to not push on you due to policy. Your level of disengagement from the game is astounding. My gut tells me it is because you rolled VT for the 2nd game in a row and are bored, but your play leaves things to be desired. Group 2 - Where are you scooby doo? mysterymeat1/errandor - you're in this game? coulda fooled me. Group 3 - Dem townies Layabout - I voted for you yesterday for lack of contribution, and boy did that make you mad. I stand behind what I said at the time, but since then you have picked it up. All of it has been angry and tunneled on me, which you are wrong about and is a bit of an OMGUS, but I like your response. You've got pluck kiddo, you be one of dem townies. BlueyD - If you can't read that last long post and smell the innocence seeping off of it. I think we speak different languages. I speak 5 languages....so hopefully you don't speak enlgish, japanese, korean, spanish, or portuguese....he one of dem townies. BH/Alakaslam (i think it was him?) - They claimed fairly prominent names from the Golden Sun series openly in the thread, have not been counterclaimed, and were not shot in the night as a result of claiming someone elses role. So until I have reason to disbelieve these claims or mathematical reason to be forced to lynch one in the event that they are lying. They go in the pile with dem townies. Austinmcc/geript - Ya know, these two are probably my reads that have the least raisin. I mostly just enjoy and like most of what they type. They smell like the rest of dem townies. Yell0w - He had a level of lack of self awareness that forced me to read him as town after a little bit during the last newbie game. His lack of awareness about the RNG thing and some of his other posts read much the same to me. So I would consider him one of dem townies for now Group 4 - Pretty much scum Hapahauli - Now I think this one will come as a bit of a shocker to a few, but quite frankly he has had warning signs on him for me for a while. So let us examine, in particular his scum reads currently: Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 03:25 Hapahauli wrote:On May 23 2014 05:00 ShiaoPi wrote:VOTE COUNT: mtamburini (8): Tehpoofter, Hapahauli, Alakaslam, mattisfoolish, Xatalos, Cavalinho, Holyflare, thrawn2112, BlueyD, marvellosity, jampidampi, 27ninjabunnies, bkqyrldp, austinmcc, layabout, Steveling, Meapak_Ziphh Valenius (2): Meapak_Ziphh, Hapahauli, Tehpoofter, OnceKing, marvellosity, Hapahauli, Xatalos, kitaman27, sqrtofneg1 geript (0): Holyflare, StevelingKoshi (0): ValeniusSteveling (0): Holyflare, Cavalinho, geriptAlakaslam (0): kushm4sta, kushm4staHapahauli (0): kushm4staYell0w (1): Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter, BlueyDXatalos (0): jampidampi, marvellosity, Koshi, thrawn2112, kushm4stajampidampi (0): sqrtofneg1, Xatalos, Xatalos27ninjabunnies (1): Cephiro sqrtofneg1 (0): kitaman27bkqyrldp (0): marvellosityOdinOfPergo (13): Blazinghand, Steveling, Xatalos, Yell0w, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, kushm4sta, Xatalos, Koshi, OnceKing, marvellosity, Hapahauli, thrawn2112, bkqyrldp, Cavalinho, Valenius, Holyflare Holyflare (1): WaveofShadow, Xatalos, Steveling, Steveling, sqrtofneg1WaveofShadow (0): kitaman27, bkqyrldpBlazinghand (1): Tehpoofter, OdinofPergo, geript, marvellosity, geript thrawn2112 (0): 27ninjabunniesmarvellosity (0): kushm4stalayabout (1): jampidampi, Koshi, OnceKing, marvellosity, ritoky ritoky (0): austinmcc, layaboutBlueyD (0): kitaman27Tehpoofter (1): mtamburini Not voting (2): MysterMeat1, OdinofPergo OdinOfPergo was lynched with 13 votes!
I'm going to use the above votecount to structure my thoughts. By looking at the votes, we can get a better idea about the motivations of certain players, and it can help identify certain mafia tells that might be present in a multi-faction game. I'm dividing posters into 3 categories: - People off of the main wagons
- People who voted Odin
- People who voted Tambo
People off of the main wagons:There's a good chance that certain mafia/faction members will want to "blend-in" and "hide", and one very instinctual way of doing that is to avoid the main course of discussion, take "non-controversial" stances, and avoid contributing by pursuing/voting someone who is not being talked about and has very little chance of getting lynched. In this category of players, we have: mtamburini rikoty geript Cephiro Tehpoofter kitaman sqrtofneg1 WaveofShadow I'm going to start with Mafia Reads, move to Null Reads, and then to Townies: Mtamburini+ Show Spoiler +Mtamburini's vote looks extremely bad by all accounts. On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote:I Vote:: tehpoofterwhy? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar Tehpoofter had virtually no chance of getting lynched yesterday, and this is the definition of a wasted vote by all accounts. His reasoning for placing his vote where it was is also pretty suspect: why?
No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null.... On May 23 2014 04:59 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 04:26 Xatalos wrote:
What was that vote, mtamburini...? I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null. Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. As the days go on my game will improve. With regards to my interactions with people Ive played with before I know I have a better chance of getting a read off them then smoeone I do not know so I will look at them first before anyone else. hey i thought after your long post the ONLY read you had was that steveling was scummy/null to you and that was it? where did this first 45 page poofter read come from? tehpoofter uses sarcasm as either allignment but you can usually tell by the tone of his sarcasm what allignement he is. From his initial posts Im reading the sarcasm as more scummy then towny All of this is really strange. The first two quotes can be barely considered reads. The 3rd quote is extremely manufactured and makes very little sense - tambo had never mentioned tehpoofters "sarcasm" all game, and then it shows up in a very mystical and unexplained read (what is the difference between town/mafia sarcasm?). Quote #2 is additionally strange - he voted a read (tehpoofter) that he felt was moving from Scummy to Null. Not only is this really weak, but he did so over Bunnies, who he's been seemingly tunneling most of the game, and has explicitly called her a strong scum-read in earlier posts. His rationale for not voting Bunnies is weak and makes little sense: On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:... Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. ... To understand why this makes so little sense, read this post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=45#896...then read page 3 of his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?user=mtamburini&page=3He doesn't vote a scumread because he believes that scumread could be town, but then votes tehpoofter (his "scummy moving to null" read) because... man I don't even know. His deadline behavior is pretty strange. After he comes back a couple of hours before lynch deadline, he quickly establishes a town-read on Odin... On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie.
Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care. On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I recommend lynching Val.
Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. It's a very poorly explained town-read. His point about "Odin not trying to get out of the lynch" doesn't make much sense either, since Odin had stated earlier he'd be gone until the deadline. Futhermore, Odin was under very little pressure at the time he said that. It seems more like he's trying to justify not voting for Odin as opposed to being sincere with his read. Sqrt then pops down a very "clean" vote on Valenius... ... then POOF! He's gone for the last two hours of shenanigans! Despite having a town read on Odin, he never seems to try and act on it to prevent it. He disappears... then instantly reappears at lynch deadline! This is a really suspicious 2 hours of absence. Another *really* odd thing about his filter is how many town reads he gives out over the course of the game. He gives them out like candy, is seemingly confident in a lot of them, and... yeah. I'm not sure if this is a mafia tell in this particular setup, but it's something that definetely caught my eye on a readthrough. Given that Cephiro was AFK for the last half of the day, it's hard for me to get an accurate read on him. However the first half of his day 1 play seems like it would come from some sort of faction.
I won't talk much about the contents of his big case. What's more important is that he didn't talk about anything other than his case on bunnies at all. This lines up with the idea of a faction wanting to "hunt" for players, but not necessarily interested in contributing to town discussion.
Again, hard to make a complete read on him due to him being AFK for a while, but his play objectively fits pretty well with how I'd think a faction member hunting other faction members would approach this game: find a target, push him/her, and really not contribute to town discussion otherwise. Hard to say. His play is pretty short and straightforward. He believed layabout was scum, voted him, and then had to step out: On May 22 2014 19:48 ritoky wrote:
Well, I am going to sleep and I am not sure if I will make it back before the deadline.
For me it's between WOS and layabout.
WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says.
Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling.
Gonna go with layabout. ##vote layabout Nothing in his filter that screams his alignment one way or the other. Well he replaced out. This makes a lot of his lack of interest and activity in the latter half of the game pretty explainable. I wasn't altogether please with his play (especially his stuff on Holyflare), but it's better not to make judgements about an incomplete filter and let his replacement talk some. I believe to be town. Geript is extremely active and emotional this game. His tunnels seem very genuine, and while he ended up on BlazingHand, he definitely was very involved in the chaos and discussion of the day. He's drawn a ton of attention to himself, and really isn't someone I'm concerned about. Tehpoofter I'm less sure about, but I think he's town. He's playing extraordinarily different from his scum-game in You Only Shoot Once, and was fairly active/involved early on. He was afk for the last ~24 hours of the day (not changing his vote or posting at all), which leads me to believe his vote being off of one of the main wagons is a null-tell. Based on his early day behavior, I give him a moderate town read, with the expectation that he continues that in future days. Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 04:35 Hapahauli wrote:This post was supposed to be a bit longer, but I'm running out of time until the deadline, and I need to talk to austin apparently. Might be bombing more reads as I go through filters. Yell0w+ Show Spoiler +Pretty simple: Votes Odin pretty early in the game in support of the "RNG lynch" thing. On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote:
Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.
##Vote: OdinofPergo 13 hours later, he has scumreads! He very specifically has a STRONG scumread on tamburini and has seemingly a very good reason to vote him right away. On May 22 2014 00:19 Yell0w wrote:
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ritoky: leaning scum, he hasn't posted enough for me to think he isn't, just made big posts to make it seems like he's contributing to town instead of actively participating in the thread like he did last game.
tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town.
... But he doesn't vote tamburini... or anyone. Despite being active ~5 hours before lynch deadline. He comes back in the thread, makes several posts that provide very little content, then is gone. I realize that Yell0w has been considered lynchbait in the past, but goddamn voting RNG over a very clear scumread (tambo) is a pretty glaring scumtell. I put Alakaslam next because he's in an identical situation to Yell0w: voted to RNG lynch Odin and pretty much stuck with it.
The problem is, I can't read Alakaslam for shit and my mind melts when I read his filter. I'm biased to interpret everything he says as genuine, so yeah. I'd need some second opinions here. (Shoot him!) + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 05:50 kushm4sta wrote:
to be fair i switched to odin purely for the lolz of bh retardation On May 23 2014 05:50 kushm4sta wrote:
i switched before bh made his shit case Posted after the lynch. People who vote for reasons *other* than lynching mafia are mafia themselves and should die. I really don't think this is simply kush being kush either. When he's town, he trolls the shit out of people but atleast has town objectives in his heart. There's also some weird stuff in his filter. When marv posts that "all vets who sheeped the Odin lynch are suspicious", Kush INSTANTLY re-activates and defends himself: On May 23 2014 05:49 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote:
the vets who sheeped the Odin case look the worst like me? btw i think wos requesting replacement means he is town ... posting this, followed by two other posts (quoted above). He's just very angry this game in general. I don't get any sense of playful trolling that I've seen in other of Kush's less-active town games. I've said all that I need to about him really. There are several posts in my filter about him. tl;dr, he's shitposting and +1'ing people a lot. It feels like mafia having a hard time contributing. He has two analysis pieces, one that I covered earlier... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=118#2356... and another that's pretty simply an OMGUS case against me. He feels like mafia trying to hide. His contributions have been weak, and good portion of his filter are pointless one-liners. That being said, I think there are other priorities over him right now. It is possible that he's just a newbie with severe self-confidence issues, and I think I have stronger reads on Tambo, Yell0w, and kush. If you ignore kush, who I believe is a bit of a different case, especially now. The rest of his scum and leaning scum reads are on people with 2 page to 4 page filters at best and tend to be newer players. And most of his town reads throughout the game are on people who have very large filters and have played a lot of games. To me he reads like scum trying to push MLs on people who will offer not as much resistance or who he feels he can get a policy lynch on. Outside of that, he has very inconsistent criticism. As I pointed out earlier, he criticized geript for having confirmation bias on Steveling, yet he didn't criticize BH for having confirmation bias on Odin; and his reason? Because he says BH's case was good. So confirmation bias doesn't apply when you think the person has a good case? Then later he is critical of people who did sudden vote swaps late in the phase, especially those without reason. Yet his hypocrisy is on full display as he is one of the people who did this. Hell, his filter even has a nice "I told you so" post after he switched off of Val onto Odin, even after Val posted something that was pretty much garbage late in the phase that wouldn't have made me switch votes. Lastly, this is just a gut read, but I get the read that a lot of his posts are sending out feelers. He doesn't ever go all-in or really push. He sends out feelers to see if there's support. Then later he pushes if there is or drops it if there is not. For example I am a neutral read in his reads above, but as soon as layabout starts getting angry at me, Hapa is behind him giving him a little boost. He is pretty much scum in my mind. jampidampi - I have found him strange for a while. He was very supportive of 27ninjabunnies after what I thought was a poor defense at the time. He even was supportive of her strange comment of having absolute non-lynches day 1. He also found my former #1 town MZ scummy for finding bunnies odd for that comment. Austin's case on him just further drives me down the path that I think he is pretty much scum. Group 5 - I can't read this guy Sqrtofneg1 - Yo, I got this guy completely wrong last game, and he is acting completely different this game. And I am not confident in my read again. I just think I can't read this guy Group 6 - No strong opinions Everyone Else
I liked it. Your later game.
I would like to know your reads since this though.
Something that caught my eyes was this. You went from this: your first official post
On May 21 2014 13:38 ritoky wrote:
holy crap that was a long read. i felt like i was never going to catch up to it.
i feel like there is a lot of jokes and interactions between people who have played together a lot that went wayyyyy over my head in the first few pages.
right now I am having a little bit of trouble organizing my thoughts because there is just a lot of stuff.
the two largest things that i noticed are:
1) 27ninjabunnies talks a whole lot about herself. I am kinda gonna sheep tamburini's reads on bunnies. I read a post and I am neutral, then I read the next one and I find it defensive and with 1 million I's in it, which puts me off. Then I read the next one and I am back to neutral. Idk, it just leaves me a bit skeptical because last game I played with her she was oozing town out of her pores it was so obvious, and the fact that I don't have that feeling right now gives me pause and concern. That said, she is contributing and typing seriously which is significantly more than most people (including myself) have done thus far.
2) I find the people who were highly opposed to the RNG lynch on day 1 questionable. Especially those who said things along the lines of "I think I am better than RNG". I think if you say that on day 2 you can sell me quite a bit on it, as I would not be in favor of an RNG lynch on any day after day 1. Usually there is enough information to make singinifcantly informed guesses by that point in the game. But when you say something along the lines of being "better than RNG" on day 1, it makes me think that you have more information than I do. Which very likely means that you are scum.
I have to do a couple things unexpectedly now and should be back in an hour or so to contribute more, but for now my I will at least leave my top town and scum read.
Top town: Meapak
Top scum: waveofshadow
Things that are weird for me. You sheep tamburini on his read on me, which was scum, but then name your top scum as WOS, but you have no indication at all in this entire post of why he is scum. In fact, the only time you mention him at all is at the very bottom where you say he is top scum.
Now to this next post:
On May 22 2014 07:54 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 07:22 austinmcc wrote:On May 22 2014 07:20 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 07:19 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2014 07:18 Hapahauli wrote:On May 22 2014 07:17 marvellosity wrote:
I even quoted and bolded it Hapa. Jeez man. Wait who are you talking about? Tambo? no, ritoky. But I'm not advocating lynching ritoky over layabout. I'm advocating lynching Tambo over layabout >> You were asking ritoky to respond to my case, and marv's comment about someone's MZ read was about ritoky. On May 22 2014 07:18 ritoky wrote:
re Austin: I mean, I wish my reads were better too, but so far this game has been very confusing for me. Yesterday turned out to be a very busy day for me, so my attention wasn't at it's fullest in this thread, which is partially my own fault. However, nearly 25% of this thread seems to me to be a group of veterans who know eachother trolling and making inside jokes which I don't particularly get. Thus it is very hard to read a lot of people in this game.
I have only read about 10 pages from my last post so hopefully by the time I get caught up I will have better material. If you want my thoughts on particular people, then I will do my best to oblige. Can you start small then? Go with the people you've played with, pick like...2. Any 2 of your choice. Plox to read them and try to get a feel for them and actually conclude stuff. On May 22 2014 07:17 geript wrote:
Slam... Think about Scumeling and answer me my questions three mmmK.
1. On a scale of 4 to 36, how much scooby doo are you?
2. If you were forced into having a threesome, which two celebrities would you choose?
3. Beets or Brussel sprouts? You got a long way to go, sir. Well I think that in order to really read Yell0w, you have to read BH as well because their early posts are highly related. So I will start with BH, then move on to a couple people I played with before. BH - Town - In the previous game I played, bunnies filled much the same role as BH is filling this game. Now I know he apparently has a thing for RNG lynches, and he thinks it's an even better scenario this game because the percentages are increased due to multiple factions; and you may or may not agree with that. What I liked about his post, was similar to bunnies prodding of yell0w last game. That it was the first real substantial and aggressive stance in the game and he forced people to both respond to and pick sides regarding it. It shows the me that he was aggressively trying to instigate conversation and gauge people's reactions. Yell0w - Town - I think a lot of the hatred toward Yell0w is blowback for being closely associated with BH, and for his...idk...lack of self awareness sometimes? For example he said recently that he still doesn't understand why everyone hates on the RNG lynch so much and how no one told him why his different method of RNG lynch was wrong. To me that reads not as him fishing for how he can curry favor, but how he (like me to some degree) is feeling a high level of confusion. Personally I think that people pushing heavily on him are just going after low hanging fruit and want an easy ML; so that later in the game they can pass it off as an excuse and say "lulz, well he wasn't contributing much and was about that RNG lynch". That said, I think that if either Yell0w or BH flips mafia, then the other is probably the same. Either Yell0w has been pocketed by BH or they are connected in my mind. Sqrt - If I was forced to guess I would say he's leaning scummier? - Sqrt has been ML'd the past two games very early on as town both times for his style of play as town. This style of play is distinctly different than his last game. Whether that's trying to change what wasn't working, him being mafia, or the change in scope of the game; I am not really sure yet as I don't think he has provided anything SUPER alignment indicative yet. Bunnies - No real comment that is different than before. I don't like her as much as I did last game, but I also don't like lynching people with 6 page+ filters on day 1.mtamburini - leaning scum - As town last game he entered the thread disinterested and fakeclaiming vigi right away. He entered this thread obviously much different, which is understandable since you probably can't do that every game. However his long post near the beginning of the thread didn't really do much for me. It was a lot of space for basically not much content. And after that much of what he typed seemed very forced to me. When you're forcing things out rather than simply saying you have no idea when that is the truth, it reads scummy to me.
See what I bolded?
You went from sheeping tamburini's initial read in his post to scumreading him for that same post. Contradiction much?
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On May 26 2014 10:57 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 09:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 26 2014 08:56 Erandorr wrote:
All right fuck this. I am playing like shit because I can't be bothered to read through all of this crap. A fun fact is that THIS IS HELPING SCUM WIN. If people are not using any filters at all while posting and all stay at the same shit tier level it gets insanely frustrating to differentiate between godawful shit posting and actual scummy people. It is still possible, but really not much fun at all. Can people just think for a minute about what they are writing? I saw an entire page posted by someone here. No one else, just him posting 2 liners. Not only is that fucking annoying to look at, it also makes everything so much harder to follow. You wanna check someones filter and its literally 22 pages of posts at night 2. And mabye half those posts contain anything even remotely interesting.
I do not exclude myself from this , I have tried to make some points but to be honest I have not even bothered to read most of this mess. People like Foolishness sort of did not even try to keep up, and you cannot even fault him for that because its a legitimate excuse in this game. If that is the general behaviour, you encourage the bad guys to hide in that exact same shitty pattern. I have seen like 5 people post "well he looks scummy but what can you do everyone does"
I feel like I am the guy who started to get drunk too late and his usually much more responsible friends are all so fucked up that you have to start behaving like a grown up.
It's not just you who has to go through everything. There are people who have been sifting through filters. Trying to find scum. But i dont see much complaining from them. I get it. It's a huge game. But what do you expect from 30 something people. I gave my opinion, just like you have given yours. I really hope you become more active though. Frankly a hell of a lot less posts and a hell of a lot more content. Our day 1 this game was significantly bigger than the 80 player game day 1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/285690-tl-mafia-xlvii?page=92#1823. I know things have changed a bit since i stopped playing but this is retarded. tbh i am suprised slam didn't get warned for his "oh god i got shot" raping of the thread. I remember when i was just browsing tl and i stumbled across this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/282366-steamship-liquidia-tl-mafia-46 . Something about it grabbed me said shit for reasons and were held accountable. They made cases some of which were silly or convoluted but there were clear tings to focus on and deal with. Now it's super contrived mechanics and irc posting. Is this really what tl is now? /end rant
Great! You complained. Way to prove me wrong.
Not sure why you had to post this when we are way past that.
Seriously. Can we just play the game people?
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