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On January 08 2014 04:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
There are certain questions that, if answered, completely defeat the purpose of particular plays.
If you want to figure out my alignment for yourself it's probably a better idea to give me something better to work with. Why don't you comment on the game, or try to have a different conversation with me? If I can get some sort of insight into your current thoughts, e.g. what players you are currently looking at-you don't even have to particularly elucidate your reads-or, say, things you are worried about, or players you think are playing in a manner inconsistent to their norm, then I can have a fruitful conversation with you that can be alignment-enlightening in multiple ways.
"I don't want to share any information without you sharing some first, even though you have already shared a page worth of filter"
That's pretty scummy bro. You're trying to put the impetus on me to share (which I already had done) to give yourself an excuse for not having read the thread and to not share your opinions.
A town player would be proactive and try to share their thoughts without going "you first". That's why this makes you scum.
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Ah, sorry missed one post.
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On January 08 2014 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
ffs kush is in two games for now.
His complaint is that I've never heard of RL. My complaint is, don't fucking sign up for two games (or any at all) if you're going to, to quote him, "play like this."
It's not our job to just "deal with it" and it's sad that the community does not do something to discourage it.
He is not the only one. Afaik rayn is in 3 games right now for example.
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You're just throwing your vote around to look like you are doing something productive when your two votes are on a lurker who you just said was town (Kush), and an OMGUS (me).
The rest of your filter is you being a dick towards kush and I, along with some theory debate with JAT.
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On January 08 2014 09:35 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 04:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
There are certain questions that, if answered, completely defeat the purpose of particular plays.
If you want to figure out my alignment for yourself it's probably a better idea to give me something better to work with. Why don't you comment on the game, or try to have a different conversation with me? If I can get some sort of insight into your current thoughts, e.g. what players you are currently looking at-you don't even have to particularly elucidate your reads-or, say, things you are worried about, or players you think are playing in a manner inconsistent to their norm, then I can have a fruitful conversation with you that can be alignment-enlightening in multiple ways.
"I don't want to share any information without you sharing some first, even though you have already shared a page worth of filter" That's pretty scummy bro. You're trying to put the impetus on me to share (which I already had done) to give yourself an excuse for not having read the thread and to not share your opinions. A town player would be proactive and try to share their thoughts without going "you first". That's why this makes you scum.
I've done this MULTIPLE times as town. In fact, I learned it from Foolishness. Sadly I don't have the self control not to post my opinion. It would have been a better idea on my part to just let things happen for another 12 hours before posting at all and just eat the flak for lurking later. That's what better players than me do and I am currently regretting not doing it. My style is to get people to contribute early because I think it's critical for town to be active early. Sadly if you're the only one doing it there's no point in it, really.
Anyway, to prove that I think seeding your reads into the thread is a really stupid way to play:
On May 22 2012 05:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
yo stop seeding the thread with all your reads, particularly town reads. It doesn't accomplish anything and it can pigeonhole people, as often times reads are wrong.
All my early votes in games are basically reasoned-often I just hide things and leave things on a need-to-know basis. That's just how I play. In fact, I specifically recall that Ver's guide talks about leaving things on a need-to-know basis. It's something I tend to break after a while because I can't help it, but I'm conscious of it.
On December 10 2012 12:47 wherebugsgo wrote:
alrighty.
I've concluded from the current events that there's an 80% preliminary chance that Palmar is scum.
Therefore I'm voting him, at least until he comes back and proves me otherwise.
##unvote
##vote Palmar
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=wherebugsgo&view=all
On December 10 2012 16:59 wherebugsgo wrote:
How many of them are there?
How many scum are probably in this game?
What did I say was my certainty on Palmar being scum?
Don't force me to treat you like you're dumb.
On December 10 2012 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Why would I comment on people I don't think are scum?
I don't understand this line of questioning.
On December 01 2012 15:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
it's always amusing when on day 1, every time I roll town, I get the same shit for the same stupid reasons. There is a pattern to how I play town: I don't say anything useful for almost all of day 1 because on day 1 I like to observe. That's why my opening votes are usually intended to create reactions, and while they almost always are intentional and on pseudo-scum reads when I post them, my day 1 reads usually change very very quickly.
It's also amusing that every time I roll scum no one calls me scum and then I get shot by some faggot 3rd party or a vigi who is scared of my scum play.
On December 02 2012 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
holy fucking shit I can't tell who's just bad and who's scum anymore
On November 30 2012 12:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
There's a stark difference between uselessness due to absence and uselessness due to a deliberate lack of contribution.
And marv, I'm not convinced he's scum. Yet.
And to elucidate why I quoted the last one:
That's why active lurkers are scummy.
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There is a difference between not saying everything is on your mind and deliberately not saying anything at all.
It doesn't matter what question I would've asked you, would you really divulge your true feelings about it if you played by this creed?
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so apparently I have deliberately not said anything at all.
And Corazon says I don't read.
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On January 08 2014 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
so apparently I have deliberately not said anything at all.
And Corazon says I don't read.
Stop trying to twist the facts. I'm talking about when you made the post saying you required contribution from me before you contributed.
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wbg I don't think im understanding your townread on me. because im talking right now that makes me town?? i have to talk sometime even if im scum, dont i?
also if ive done enough for you to townread me then haven't i dont my work for the day pretty much.. if all the town gave you townreads then it would be easy to find scum.
and yes i have overextended myself by mistake. i wasn't busy now I am. im sorry.
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well im gonna say bugs is town considering he basically for the last few pages has told everyone to look at me and seems to care way to much if he were scum. Plus he did that thing were he says im picking up my ball and going home and decides to post anyways. That's a townie thing to do in my view as scum are more apt to try to have an excuse to leave the thread.
that said chill out bugs lets catch scum
but ill even do the work for you because yamato is scum. If you look at his filter there is nothing of value come join me on the wagon of justice
## Vote Yamato
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kush make yourself useful and vote yamato
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On January 08 2014 10:04 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
so apparently I have deliberately not said anything at all.
And Corazon says I don't read.
Stop trying to twist the facts. I'm talking about when you made the post saying you required contribution from me before you contributed.
And you still haven't.
Everything you have said in the past page is blatantly false. So blatant, in fact, that I don't even have to expend that much effort to show it.
On January 08 2014 10:04 kushm4sta wrote:
wbg I don't think im understanding your townread on me. because im talking right now that makes me town?? i have to talk sometime even if im scum, dont i?
also if ive done enough for you to townread me then haven't i dont my work for the day pretty much.. if all the town gave you townreads then it would be easy to find scum.
and yes i have overextended myself by mistake. i wasn't busy now I am. im sorry.
It's more of the fact that I don't think scum would be that reactive to a single vote. I mean, it's certainly possible. I haven't seen you play scum afaik. It's just not likely at this point in time, and it really never was (but again, I didn't disclose that)
Anyway, how could I think you are scum before you entered the thread? It was pretty patently obvious to anyone reading my posts that my intention was to discourage lurking. It's actually really sad that I had to make that clear, because it pretty much defeated the purpose of what I was trying to do.
Also, the bolded is obviously not true at all. Even if I think you are town, others may not. In addition, if you just afk then I have to question whether I was right or not. Also, who's going to find scum? If every townie had your mentality then no one would ever find scum.
I'm really trying hard not to be abrasive here but this is not rocket science and I have no idea why I am even bothering to explain this. This is very basic newbie guide stuff.
In all honesty I should just link to the newbie guide or quote it any time someone asks something like this from now on.
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On January 08 2014 10:11 iamperfection wrote:
kush make yourself useful and vote yamato
No thanks. I think everyone's understanding of yamato's meta is outdated.
Let me simplify yamato's current meta.
He is quite a busy guy. As town, early game he jokes around a lot. He gets more invested later.
Scum meta is tryhard in the beginning, then falling off hard day 2. He usually makes a couple try hard posts d1 to look town.
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and corzan can you explain how bugs is scum when he decided to go on a huge rant with everyone look at me attitude. Sure seems like to me a non scum thing to do.
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On January 08 2014 10:09 iamperfection wrote:
well im gonna say bugs is town considering he basically for the last few pages has told everyone to look at me and seems to care way to much if he were scum. Plus he did that thing were he says im picking up my ball and going home and decides to post anyways. That's a townie thing to do in my view as scum are more apt to try to have an excuse to leave the thread.
that said chill out bugs lets catch scum
but ill even do the work for you because yamato is scum. If you look at his filter there is nothing of value come join me on the wagon of justice
## Vote Yamato
I always play my games through 
And I also have my own heaping doses of rage. Mostly cause I can't stand when people do really obviously dumb things.
Have you looked at WoS or Cora at all? What makes yamato a better lynch or them a worse lynch?
have you played with Corazon at all recently? What can you say about his play/what should be expected?
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On January 08 2014 10:13 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 10:11 iamperfection wrote:
kush make yourself useful and vote yamato No thanks. I think everyone's understanding of yamato's meta is outdated. Let me simplify yamato's current meta. He is quite a busy guy. As town, early game he jokes around a lot. He gets more invested later. Scum meta is tryhard in the beginning, then falling off hard day 2. He usually makes a couple try hard posts d1 to look town.
how do you know he is busy?
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yeah wbg is obviously a terrible lynch lol
##unvote wgb
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On January 08 2014 10:15 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 10:13 kushm4sta wrote:On January 08 2014 10:11 iamperfection wrote:
kush make yourself useful and vote yamato No thanks. I think everyone's understanding of yamato's meta is outdated. Let me simplify yamato's current meta. He is quite a busy guy. As town, early game he jokes around a lot. He gets more invested later. Scum meta is tryhard in the beginning, then falling off hard day 2. He usually makes a couple try hard posts d1 to look town. how do you know he is busy?
seem him refernce it in other games. he has a job at least i know that.
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On January 08 2014 10:09 iamperfection wrote:
well im gonna say bugs is town considering he basically for the last few pages has told everyone to look at me and seems to care way to much if he were scum. Plus he did that thing were he says im picking up my ball and going home and decides to post anyways. That's a townie thing to do in my view as scum are more apt to try to have an excuse to leave the thread.
that said chill out bugs lets catch scum
but ill even do the work for you because yamato is scum. If you look at his filter there is nothing of value come join me on the wagon of justice
## Vote Yamato
Holy shitballs.
I'd be inclined to thing WBG is scum for shitting the HELL out of this thread, but I don't know his play all that well honestly. Is he capable of 'caring' this much as town? Am I giving the past few pages as possible scumplay too much credence?
I certainly do like a great deal of what has been said though, especially the lurker business because, you know, I say that shit all the FUCKING time.
Anywho, I believe I promised a look into...JAT, was it?
I can actually have a look into multiple people now and will be present for the rest of the evening so I'll do a whole bunch. Maybe I can get WBG to call me dumb too.
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