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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 06 2014 21:07 GMT
#661
On January 07 2014 05:50 yamato77 wrote:
If you're going to lynch me, you need new justifications for calling me mafia.

would me flipping town suffice?
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 06 2014 21:10 GMT
#662
On January 07 2014 06:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 05:50 yamato77 wrote:
If you're going to lynch me, you need new justifications for calling me mafia.

would me flipping town suffice?

No, that would just make me wrong.

I've been wrong as town before.

If I'm wrong about you, let's talk about the other three unconfirmed players, because no matter what, ONE OF THEM is mafia.
Writer@WriterYamato
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 06 2014 21:11 GMT
#663
On January 07 2014 05:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 04:55 yamato77 wrote:
On January 07 2014 04:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 04:45 yamato77 wrote:
"Big post meta"

Yeah, that's a good heuristic.

Like I said before, Sentinel is basically only confirmed because I believe CC is town and telling the truth.


You don't think he is mafia yet are casting his argument aside because he is "only confirmed because of this".

No, because the timing of big posts is not any indication of my alignment. It's a terrible heuristic.

its not the timing, its the content. your big posts didnt attempt to solve anything in the game or layout a gameplan for going forward. your list post was a joke. your case on me is of a similar caliber to mine on you, except there is no precedent for why I'm scummy in the context of your case. You list off some marginally scummy things that in the context of day1 are not good enough to tout me as omfg scum must lynch nao.

This. I don't believe I made it clear enough in the original accusation - they were big posts that pretty much told town "here's what we need to focus on", explicitly asked people questions so that they would put out their thoughts for everyone to see, and pretty much removed any confusion by whatever way. That commanding stance is what makes it so scary to play against yam as scum - you have to play by his rules or else he'll put you under heavy pressure.

As evidenced by Hopeless's post as well as the quoted material, yamato's case isn't flawless, it's made while he's under pressure instead of the other way around. The instances he did mention slam are short. Simply, "he's clear", "he's clearer than I've ever seen him play", "I can actually understand him". It's not much. He was pretty coherent in Titanic II as well, less so because he spent the game talking to Chezinu in a QT.

I can understand yam's tunneling of Hopeless because he does that all the time. But faulty logic/reasoning is inexcusable for him.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 06 2014 21:12 GMT
#664
yam why do you not think kush's reads are bullshit?
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 06 2014 21:12 GMT
#665
On January 07 2014 06:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 05:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 07 2014 04:55 yamato77 wrote:
On January 07 2014 04:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 04:45 yamato77 wrote:
"Big post meta"

Yeah, that's a good heuristic.

Like I said before, Sentinel is basically only confirmed because I believe CC is town and telling the truth.


You don't think he is mafia yet are casting his argument aside because he is "only confirmed because of this".

No, because the timing of big posts is not any indication of my alignment. It's a terrible heuristic.

its not the timing, its the content. your big posts didnt attempt to solve anything in the game or layout a gameplan for going forward. your list post was a joke. your case on me is of a similar caliber to mine on you, except there is no precedent for why I'm scummy in the context of your case. You list off some marginally scummy things that in the context of day1 are not good enough to tout me as omfg scum must lynch nao.

This. I don't believe I made it clear enough in the original accusation - they were big posts that pretty much told town "here's what we need to focus on", explicitly asked people questions so that they would put out their thoughts for everyone to see, and pretty much removed any confusion by whatever way. That commanding stance is what makes it so scary to play against yam as scum - you have to play by his rules or else he'll put you under heavy pressure.

As evidenced by Hopeless's post as well as the quoted material, yamato's case isn't flawless, it's made while he's under pressure instead of the other way around. The instances he did mention slam are short. Simply, "he's clear", "he's clearer than I've ever seen him play", "I can actually understand him". It's not much. He was pretty coherent in Titanic II as well, less so because he spent the game talking to Chezinu in a QT.

I can understand yam's tunneling of Hopeless because he does that all the time. But faulty logic/reasoning is inexcusable for him.

I DON'T ALWAYS PLAY THAT WAY AS TOWN

END OF ARGUMENT
Writer@WriterYamato
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 21:13 GMT
#666
i know where you are going yamato and I am there already. Coag/alaka.
Reread alaka.

OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 06 2014 21:13 GMT
#667
On January 07 2014 06:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
yam why do you not think kush's reads are bullshit?

Mostly because it looks like there's uncertainty in them, which I think is a townie trait. Too much certainty = scum kush. He might be WRONG, but that doesn't mean that it's BULLSHIT.
Writer@WriterYamato
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 21:16 GMT
#668
What reads are bullshit sent? yOu have an example or something?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 06 2014 21:17 GMT
#669
On January 07 2014 06:13 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 06:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
yam why do you not think kush's reads are bullshit?

Mostly because it looks like there's uncertainty in them, which I think is a townie trait. Too much certainty = scum kush. He might be WRONG, but that doesn't mean that it's BULLSHIT.


Wrong can be scummy too, especially in his big post. I refuse to believe Kush would try to read everyone, label everyone as scum (except for you for the shoddiest reasoning ever, and because he ran out of red labels), and decide to keep that post in there to clog up the thread and influence his subsequent reads.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 06 2014 21:17 GMT
#670
On January 07 2014 06:13 kushm4sta wrote:
i know where you are going yamato and I am there already. Coag/alaka.
Reread alaka.


It could be them. I would be depressed if I had Slam/Hopeless backwards though.
Writer@WriterYamato
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 06 2014 21:17 GMT
#671
On January 07 2014 06:16 kushm4sta wrote:
What reads are bullshit sent? yOu have an example or something?

On January 05 2014 13:18 kushm4sta wrote:
So here are the unknown right now:

alakaslam:
Well his early game is way more try hard than the towngame I just played with him recently.
Then his activity falls off, which is a pretty good scumtell in itself usually, especially when there is no excuse to explain it.
Overall his activity points fits with what I perceive his scumgame to look like.
Then there is this post:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 09:10 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 04 2014 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One more post about discussing this without explaining why i am scum and i am policy lynching you Slam.

yeah, this is why I'm lynching you. You are refusing to see what I'm saying. You are scum because you are
1: Blue Hunting
2: Fakeclaiming
3: bullying anyone who opposes you and using it as grounds to mislynch


like wut...blue hunting?! @Alaka I want to know how rayne was blue hunting. Also I have no idea why you would jump to the conclusion that rayne was fakeclaiming, since he gave a decent explanation for why he claimed and claiming as scum would be pretty suicidal.
Scummers love to accuse townies of blue hunting. I feel like i see it all the time.
conclusion: SCUM

~~~~~~

hopeless
His position on gumshoe throughout d1 makes no sense.
First he soft defends him.
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 09:54 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 04 2014 09:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 04 2014 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 04 2014 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am pretty sure gumshoe is mafia. Nothing he says is making sense atm.

no, but you did just claim cop for questionable reasons.

And that has to do with anything how? Are you discrediting me or are you calling me scum or are you agreeing with me?
What exactly are you saying here?

im saying gumshoe not making sense could be because hes confused, not necessarily mafia. You're totes town

To this:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 10:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 04 2014 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If he does not think i am mafia i have no reason to lie about why i claimed in the first place, which i stated was not because of pressure. Either way he is bullshitting.

I'll be honest, I didnt read very closely the first time around. gumshoe is a good lynch. but, BETTER THAN RNG? I DUNNO.

Suddenly Gumshoe is a good lynch for no reason other than he didn't read before. I would expect a townie hopeless to have like a sentence explaining what aspect of the argument convinced him.

Otherwise there has been a total lack of content from hopeless. He's done some mechanics posts and some troll posts, but his scumhunting is practically non existent. I remember his towngame as having a similar length filter but being more focused on logical scumhunting.

Conclusion: SCUM


coag
There is no amount of effort shown this game, which leans scummy to me. It seems like in his town games, he makes an effort to show you he is town. He doesn't do that at all here.
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 10:53 Coagulation wrote:
guis dont ignore me. say my name.

He loves to do this too scummy to be scum shit as scum.
Conclusion: SCUM

~~~~~~~~

yamato
town. just town. His early suspicion on thrawn doesn't look like a bus. Plus process of elimination (I already have one too many scummers lol)

~~~~~

So one of my scumreads is town. I'm guessing it's either hopeless or coag, because both are pretty unreadable.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
January 06 2014 21:19 GMT
#672
Vote Count

Hopeless1der (3) - Yamato77, Alakaslam, Coagulation
Alakaslam (1) - kushm4sta
Yamato77 (3) - Hopeless1der, Mr. Cheesecake, [UoN]Sentinel

Not Voting (1) - raynpelikoneet

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 21:19 GMT
#673
yup they are all possible scum lol
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 21:20 GMT
#674
yamato read was not only terrible, it was factually incorrent
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 06 2014 21:22 GMT
#675
On January 07 2014 06:19 kushm4sta wrote:
yup they are all possible scum lol


So why not go back and check your reads? If you get scum for all of them except for yamato whose "suspicion doesn't look like a bus", why not go back and see what you're doing wrong? Maybe consider the possibility of each one being town and go from there?
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
January 06 2014 21:25 GMT
#676
hey guys. just posting to keep up with posting requirements.

somewhere geript is tearing his hair out right now.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 21:25 GMT
#677
i did that already
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 06 2014 21:28 GMT
#678
On January 07 2014 06:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 06:13 yamato77 wrote:
On January 07 2014 06:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
yam why do you not think kush's reads are bullshit?

Mostly because it looks like there's uncertainty in them, which I think is a townie trait. Too much certainty = scum kush. He might be WRONG, but that doesn't mean that it's BULLSHIT.


Wrong can be scummy too, especially in his big post. I refuse to believe Kush would try to read everyone, label everyone as scum (except for you for the shoddiest reasoning ever, and because he ran out of red labels), and decide to keep that post in there to clog up the thread and influence his subsequent reads.

The big post is not the only post he's made this game, you know.
Writer@WriterYamato
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 06 2014 21:29 GMT
#679
@coag will you vote alaka with me?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 06 2014 21:32 GMT
#680
On January 07 2014 06:25 Coagulation wrote:
hey guys. just posting to keep up with posting requirements.

somewhere geript is tearing his hair out right now.

i'm feeling that coag policy lynch
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