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On January 29 2014 07:46 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 07:45 Toadesstern wrote:On January 29 2014 07:39 austinmcc wrote:On January 29 2014 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:
There's been too much chaos. There's 2 mafias within Foo/Prome/Marv. We're staying on this lynch right now and keep on lynching Prome/Marv tomorrow. Simple as that If you believe this, why foolishness over prome? + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2014 06:25 austinmcc wrote:
KITAMAN'S COMBINATRICS CRAP
Toad is on board here with marv/prome/foolishness, pick 2
WoS or kita, are you as well?
Regardless, here's how that set of 3 people plays out! marv/foolishness OR prome/foolishness OR marv/prome
(1) marv + foolishness
marv attacks foolishness on D1, because of Foolishness's sandroba comments. That's a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction. Foolishness attacks marv on D1 for not doing much, again, a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction.
Does it make sense? It does if they go "jesus we're going to look weird if we're around at endgame, we need to sacrifice one or two of us to get one guy to endgame." They drop sandroba, giving marv credit, but keeping foolishness and marv at odds.
Overall though, i find this UNLIKELY, because it seems like a terrible plan to START THE GAME thinking you're going to lynch your buddies and set yourselves apart. Their D1s, both posting that the other looks scummy, and continuing to harp on that, make it look like they are NOT mafia together.
(2) prome + foolishness
Town had the bestest D1 EVER? And again, from D1, foolishness and prome are calling each other mafia and setting themselves apart? Then Foolishnes is going "prome is the best lynch" --> I was wrong, prome likely town --> Prome is the best lynch? What does this accomplish for that team?
Two scenarios. In one, they want PROME lynched and Foolishness alive. Foolishness gets a little town cred, maybe doesn't get lynched tomorrow. But here's the deal. He needs TWO mislynches. He's basically locked into not lynching Kita or Toad. So he goes for marv ezpz, after prome flips. Fine. Then Foolishness only has myself/WoS to go after. He's gone hard back to WoS is town, and is continuing to state that, push that, today when he just got back to thread. If he needs WoS as a mislynch, I don't think he reinforces the idea that he finds WoS townie. If he wants to go after me, he probably doesn't keep halfway buddying me. I think that this plan makes 0 sense. ESPECIALLY because the plan is "have Foolishness survive until endgame and secure a mislynch." Townies are going to be really creeped out by a living Foolishness at that point, ESPECIALLY after Foolishness worked so hard to get prome lynched. It just doesn't work.
So the other scenario. They want FOOLISHNESS lynched today. Prome lives. MAYBE some people give him credit for Foolishness attacking him, who knows. Prome now needs two mislynches. He can get me killed pretty easily, because of my defending foolishness and conduct today. His other mislynch is ... more open. HE can go after toad or kita easier than Foolishness can, saying Foolishness is dicking town around with one of those reads. He can go after WoS, saying WoS looks weird for Foolishness coming back to town on him and really not trying hard to get WoS lynched over VE. Prome has way way way more options to win the game than Foolishness does. It looks LESS WEIRD if prome is around at endgame, and he has more choices.
A mafia team of prome + foolishness HAS AN EASIER TIME OF WINNING if we lynch foolishness and not prome.
(3) prome + marv
In this case, we don't want to lynch Foolishness
If you think that the remaining mafia are within foolishness/promethelax/marv, then you should be lynching promethelax.
Because in one scenario, Foolishness is town. In one scenario, BOTH are mafia, but mafia has an EASIER TIME WINNING if we lynch Foolishness and not promethelax. The ONLY reason you should be voting Foolishness, IF you think mafia is in those three, is if you think the team is Foolishness + marv. I find that team very very unlikely, given how they'd played and interacted.Do you disagree with my conclusion? Or you think that it's not worth lynching based on that conclusion, and you're just set on Foolishness whether it makes the most sense out of those three or no. the latter. I want this cleared up for now. If prome is town, I assume you think Foolishness is mafia 100%? If prome is mafia...foolishness likely town but not certain? I know that lynching A to clear up B sounds smelly, and isn't conclusory, but i THINK things are mostly cleared up with either lynch, and I think prome puts us in the best position.
If foo flips mafia - we win
If foo flips town - we win by lynching Prome/Marv
If prome flips mafia - we win
If prome flips town - I'm mighty scared of people going crazy conspiracy
that's it for me right now. The likelyhood of someone beeing mafia/town out of prome/foo is actually pretty equal for me right now
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I'll punch you if you get yourself modkilled
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I can pretend to listen to you tomorrow and if I don't end being shot, the next 2 days as well while we're lynching prom if you want me to. You might get some towniepoints for lynching Prome!
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On January 29 2014 09:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright well in that case I highly suggest you have a good look at Prome sometime soon, and I will do the same.
I'm pretty sure he is #1 for me tomorrow but I'm going to want to be sure for my own reasons, not simply 'Foolishness solved the game' reasons. Does Foolishness usually solve a game though? I mean I assume his analysis obviously isn't always flawless but is he one of those people who always figures it out if left long enough?
Foolishness is probably the incarnation of what you'd call someone who "solves" a game. Literally. Depending on the size of the game it will take a different amount of time but once he posts those things they're right or he's mafia. It's that simple.
Probably amongst other people like Syllo, Sand and Rad if they're town as well. Oh and maybe Marv but he happens to be mafia this game.
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yeah same here. Syllo's probably my undisputed #1 townie on TL followed by either Sand or Foolishness. And than a long time noone.
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On January 29 2014 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah same here. Syllo's probably my undisputed #1 townie on TL followed by either Sand or Foolishness. And than a long time noone.
that was @marv
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On January 29 2014 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:Toad. Thoughts on this. Go. Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 29 2014 04:48 austinmcc wrote:WoS StuffStarts off poking at Kita about Sandroba. Can go either way. Very much not worried about Foolishness's early vote on him (F voted WoS for his first post) Back and forth with Kita about Sandroba. Scummy points for referencing positively Foolishness's comment on Sandroba engaging the thread actively In this post, if the team is actually marv/sand/prome, WoS accidentally catches the mafia team - + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2014 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:31 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 23 2014 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not the tone - the act itself. Like, if he were town I feel like rather than do a stream of consciousness thing, he would read and have actual suspicions and post those. I disagree. I could swear he's done this specifically as town before (as have I) but I'd have to check which is kind of difficult for me atm. Either way he's given me enough that even were I able to be convinced before his return (which I kinda doubted) I certainly won't be voting him today. Like I get the we 'expect more' but is it not possible that Prome simply hasn't gotten to his 'POP' case yet? I don't allow this defense for people like Foolishness/Sandroba because they haven't actively been here. That's the thing though, we don't "expect more" we expect actual thoughts and opinions. Having suspicions of someone, and succinctly explaining them, takes actually LESS effort than doing a stream of consciousness catch up thing. It's that I expected LESS. Like, I don't know, it's hard to explain. But I'm not voting for him so ultimately it doesn't matter much. Foolishness can you comment on the conversation VE and I had about Prome that ended with the above post? Sounds like you're making good arguments why he should be lynched. Look at it this way. Let's say I posted and said, "Kitaman is the best lynch right now!" what would you respond? You'd say, "wtf he's been pushing the town in the right direction and asking good questions." Now I say, "Promethelax is the best lynch right now!" (or Holyflare) what is your response? You say, "Eh, I feel like he's doing okay..." I don't see any arguments that show that Promethelax is pushing the town in the right direction or pushing a pro-town agenda. He's responded sure, but where's the conviction and the push to get something done? In relation to what gonzaw just posted, I feel like the above could be applied as well to either marv or snadroba----and actually starts to mesh with the idea that I haven't been feeling anything at all from marv all game aside from a little bit of agreement in some posts that I quoted earlier in my filter. Taking a closer look at marv. WoS, just before his Foolishness vote, has a bunch of posts on Foolishness/prome/marv/sandro. Not trusting Foolishness, who had posted a case-y thing and a vote on Prome. Asking Gonzaw about Gonzaw's vote, wondering whether Gonzaw would prefer marv or sandro. It FEELS legit. He doesn't just sheep Gonzaw's vote, there's a lot of leadup that FEELS townie to me, where WoS is looking at Prome and Foolish a lot but never really doing anything super mega conclusory with them. I like WoS's conclusion that at least one scum was on the Sandroba wagon. It was against the grain, but he's not using it to try and paint anyone in particular as scummy. He just explains WHY he thinks there's a scum or multiple scum on sandroba, says it's unlikely me or gonzaw (for reasons). I really really like his thoughts after the Sandroba lynch. Neato. I feel good about WoS's D1. I like WoS's break in his catchup posts to tell people to stop commenting on fluff in the way that they are. That reads real townie in the middle of his other junk, when he's not attacking anyone in particular, and I like it. I want to stop now. Also, I'm going to. Phoneposting cause this weirded me out Wtf waste of time is this. Why is your read on me impoortant right now? Why is it all based on D1 play when you coiuld have come to the same conclusions yesterday BUT YESTERDAY YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUM Foolishness I am not the key to this game. You are.
Not an issue for me. He was after you d2 and so was I. So I don't really see a problem there, seems like stated for clarity.
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On January 29 2014 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 09:46 Toadesstern wrote:On January 29 2014 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:Toad. Thoughts on this. Go. On January 29 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 29 2014 04:48 austinmcc wrote:WoS StuffStarts off poking at Kita about Sandroba. Can go either way. Very much not worried about Foolishness's early vote on him (F voted WoS for his first post) Back and forth with Kita about Sandroba. Scummy points for referencing positively Foolishness's comment on Sandroba engaging the thread actively In this post, if the team is actually marv/sand/prome, WoS accidentally catches the mafia team - + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2014 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:31 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 23 2014 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not the tone - the act itself. Like, if he were town I feel like rather than do a stream of consciousness thing, he would read and have actual suspicions and post those. I disagree. I could swear he's done this specifically as town before (as have I) but I'd have to check which is kind of difficult for me atm. Either way he's given me enough that even were I able to be convinced before his return (which I kinda doubted) I certainly won't be voting him today. Like I get the we 'expect more' but is it not possible that Prome simply hasn't gotten to his 'POP' case yet? I don't allow this defense for people like Foolishness/Sandroba because they haven't actively been here. That's the thing though, we don't "expect more" we expect actual thoughts and opinions. Having suspicions of someone, and succinctly explaining them, takes actually LESS effort than doing a stream of consciousness catch up thing. It's that I expected LESS. Like, I don't know, it's hard to explain. But I'm not voting for him so ultimately it doesn't matter much. Foolishness can you comment on the conversation VE and I had about Prome that ended with the above post? Sounds like you're making good arguments why he should be lynched. Look at it this way. Let's say I posted and said, "Kitaman is the best lynch right now!" what would you respond? You'd say, "wtf he's been pushing the town in the right direction and asking good questions." Now I say, "Promethelax is the best lynch right now!" (or Holyflare) what is your response? You say, "Eh, I feel like he's doing okay..." I don't see any arguments that show that Promethelax is pushing the town in the right direction or pushing a pro-town agenda. He's responded sure, but where's the conviction and the push to get something done? In relation to what gonzaw just posted, I feel like the above could be applied as well to either marv or snadroba----and actually starts to mesh with the idea that I haven't been feeling anything at all from marv all game aside from a little bit of agreement in some posts that I quoted earlier in my filter. Taking a closer look at marv. WoS, just before his Foolishness vote, has a bunch of posts on Foolishness/prome/marv/sandro. Not trusting Foolishness, who had posted a case-y thing and a vote on Prome. Asking Gonzaw about Gonzaw's vote, wondering whether Gonzaw would prefer marv or sandro. It FEELS legit. He doesn't just sheep Gonzaw's vote, there's a lot of leadup that FEELS townie to me, where WoS is looking at Prome and Foolish a lot but never really doing anything super mega conclusory with them. I like WoS's conclusion that at least one scum was on the Sandroba wagon. It was against the grain, but he's not using it to try and paint anyone in particular as scummy. He just explains WHY he thinks there's a scum or multiple scum on sandroba, says it's unlikely me or gonzaw (for reasons). I really really like his thoughts after the Sandroba lynch. Neato. I feel good about WoS's D1. I like WoS's break in his catchup posts to tell people to stop commenting on fluff in the way that they are. That reads real townie in the middle of his other junk, when he's not attacking anyone in particular, and I like it. I want to stop now. Also, I'm going to. Phoneposting cause this weirded me out Wtf waste of time is this. Why is your read on me impoortant right now? Why is it all based on D1 play when you coiuld have come to the same conclusions yesterday BUT YESTERDAY YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUM Foolishness I am not the key to this game. You are. Not an issue for me. He was after you d2 and so was I. So I don't really see a problem there, seems like stated for clarity. Um. Do you read? Everything he called me townie for in that post is from D1. Why did he call me scum on D2 if he found my D1 townie?
Because he got back at it, reread and changed his mind? Those things happen and I'd feel the need to state that as well and if I'm not entirely wrong I did so as well somewhere.
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On January 29 2014 09:49 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 09:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 29 2014 09:46 Toadesstern wrote:On January 29 2014 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:Toad. Thoughts on this. Go. On January 29 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 29 2014 04:48 austinmcc wrote:WoS StuffStarts off poking at Kita about Sandroba. Can go either way. Very much not worried about Foolishness's early vote on him (F voted WoS for his first post) Back and forth with Kita about Sandroba. Scummy points for referencing positively Foolishness's comment on Sandroba engaging the thread actively In this post, if the team is actually marv/sand/prome, WoS accidentally catches the mafia team - + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2014 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:31 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 23 2014 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not the tone - the act itself. Like, if he were town I feel like rather than do a stream of consciousness thing, he would read and have actual suspicions and post those. I disagree. I could swear he's done this specifically as town before (as have I) but I'd have to check which is kind of difficult for me atm. Either way he's given me enough that even were I able to be convinced before his return (which I kinda doubted) I certainly won't be voting him today. Like I get the we 'expect more' but is it not possible that Prome simply hasn't gotten to his 'POP' case yet? I don't allow this defense for people like Foolishness/Sandroba because they haven't actively been here. That's the thing though, we don't "expect more" we expect actual thoughts and opinions. Having suspicions of someone, and succinctly explaining them, takes actually LESS effort than doing a stream of consciousness catch up thing. It's that I expected LESS. Like, I don't know, it's hard to explain. But I'm not voting for him so ultimately it doesn't matter much. Foolishness can you comment on the conversation VE and I had about Prome that ended with the above post? Sounds like you're making good arguments why he should be lynched. Look at it this way. Let's say I posted and said, "Kitaman is the best lynch right now!" what would you respond? You'd say, "wtf he's been pushing the town in the right direction and asking good questions." Now I say, "Promethelax is the best lynch right now!" (or Holyflare) what is your response? You say, "Eh, I feel like he's doing okay..." I don't see any arguments that show that Promethelax is pushing the town in the right direction or pushing a pro-town agenda. He's responded sure, but where's the conviction and the push to get something done? In relation to what gonzaw just posted, I feel like the above could be applied as well to either marv or snadroba----and actually starts to mesh with the idea that I haven't been feeling anything at all from marv all game aside from a little bit of agreement in some posts that I quoted earlier in my filter. Taking a closer look at marv. WoS, just before his Foolishness vote, has a bunch of posts on Foolishness/prome/marv/sandro. Not trusting Foolishness, who had posted a case-y thing and a vote on Prome. Asking Gonzaw about Gonzaw's vote, wondering whether Gonzaw would prefer marv or sandro. It FEELS legit. He doesn't just sheep Gonzaw's vote, there's a lot of leadup that FEELS townie to me, where WoS is looking at Prome and Foolish a lot but never really doing anything super mega conclusory with them. I like WoS's conclusion that at least one scum was on the Sandroba wagon. It was against the grain, but he's not using it to try and paint anyone in particular as scummy. He just explains WHY he thinks there's a scum or multiple scum on sandroba, says it's unlikely me or gonzaw (for reasons). I really really like his thoughts after the Sandroba lynch. Neato. I feel good about WoS's D1. I like WoS's break in his catchup posts to tell people to stop commenting on fluff in the way that they are. That reads real townie in the middle of his other junk, when he's not attacking anyone in particular, and I like it. I want to stop now. Also, I'm going to. Phoneposting cause this weirded me out Wtf waste of time is this. Why is your read on me impoortant right now? Why is it all based on D1 play when you coiuld have come to the same conclusions yesterday BUT YESTERDAY YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUM Foolishness I am not the key to this game. You are. Not an issue for me. He was after you d2 and so was I. So I don't really see a problem there, seems like stated for clarity. Um. Do you read? Everything he called me townie for in that post is from D1. Why did he call me scum on D2 if he found my D1 townie? Because he got back at it, reread and changed his mind? Those things happen and I'd feel the need to state that as well and if I'm not entirely wrong I did so as well somewhere.
referring to this:
On January 29 2014 01:35 Toadesstern wrote:
holy wall of texts I just had to read...
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Next thing went into WoS filter again and it's exactly the same thing as he said. Sure some small things here and there but nothing convincing at all. I found myself thinking that his explanations for his emotional play and for what I considered weird play are odd but I didn't consider them and it was certainly possible despite being odd. Once that crossed my mind I thought about why he should even be emotional as mafia... There was no reason to be later on, sure maybe early on but gonzaw was praising him as a saint and Austin and I were the only ones that kept attacking him (well and Foo but only once all 24 hours) and a lynch on him didn't seem likely. There was no need to fake emotions at all so I got to the conclusion that he actually was pissed and that his weird explanations actually made sense.
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Seems like he had the same intention to make things clear as I did.
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On January 29 2014 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
You didn't answer my question.
Why did he call me scum D2 if he found my D1 townie? What were his reasons?
he called you scum D2 because he thought you're scum D2 based on your D1.
He said you're town D3 because he went back, revised his read and came to the conclusion that you're more likely to be town, not only because of your D3/D2 play but because of everything. He's saying he made a mistake without outright saying it. That's the only issue I could possibly see but I don't consider that to be a thing.
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On January 29 2014 09:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Nope.
Just went through his filter.
Can't find it.
couldn't find what?
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I might be willing to lynch Kita instead of prome tomorrow to be honest
+ Show Spoiler +I'm totally serious + Show Spoiler +mafias probably to lazy to open spoilers, right? + Show Spoiler +please don't shoot me + Show Spoiler +in case it's not obvious enough: I'm not sure if it's the time of the day were people say weird stuff to not get shot and come out later LOLZ I BE KIDDING
see you tomorrow
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sup, D&D evening with friends today so I don't really have time right now and not sure if I'm going to be back before deadline.
So in case I die, keep on lynching Prome. Make sure you talk this WoS/austin bullshit out and clear that. I don't want you two in lylo if there's still this shit going on so better start clearing things early on. If you get yourself paranoid and do some crazy bullshit I'm going to be mighty mad.
That's it from me for now
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I'm back and I'm pretty much the most confirmed townie in the game, right?. We lynch Prome today
##vote Prome
Oh and gg Kita
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Also seems like mafia is trying to get WoS into lylo as the weekest link, was to be expected. Foolishness had him on 3rd most likely mafia, Austin as well and so do I. At the same time WoS had mighty paranoia about me and apparently austin as well. Seems like mafia wants some kind of WoS + either me or Austin lylo + whatever is left after prome, right?' Hoping that one of us gives in and votes ends up voting WoS over Marv?
Pretty much confirms that there's mafia in Marv/Prome/Austin at this point and austin is town, so really keep on lynching
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anyways 3 am over here so that's it from me for now
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On January 30 2014 11:21 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2014 10:33 Toadesstern wrote:
Also seems like mafia is trying to get WoS into lylo as the weekest link, was to be expected. Foolishness had him on 3rd most likely mafia, Austin as well and so do I. At the same time WoS had mighty paranoia about me and apparently austin as well. Seems like mafia wants some kind of WoS + either me or Austin lylo + whatever is left after prome, right?' Hoping that one of us gives in and votes ends up voting WoS over Marv?
Pretty much confirms that there's mafia in Marv/Prome/Austin at this point and austin is town, so really keep on lynching ........................................... There are 5 people alive There are 2 mafia alive One of the people alive is you If you are not mafia (Then of course there is mafia in marv/prome/austin) (It's 100% confirmed because of math) (Toad?)
yeah forgot about kita being dead midway and included him in my calculations. That's why it's Seems like mafia wants some kind of WoS + either me or Austin lylo + whatever is left after prome, right?
while "whatever is left" is nothing but Marv. Not really thought through.
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gosh I should not have quoted that entire thing. Anyways off for good in 20 minutes
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FUCK that was my 7k post...
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