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On January 24 2014 08:50 gonzaw wrote:
...but Hapa is confirmed dead town. Do you want to lynch him?
And doesn't make much sense, you prefer lynching any of the guys leading a last minute unexpected lynch on scum, rather than Foo?
the first is adressed above. The second, yeah both seems incredibly unlikely and I'm betting on 2 mafias being within WoS/VE/Kita but if that's not the case, yeah I'd actually rather start looking into one of those 4, starting with prom, marv and austin before considering foolish.
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On January 24 2014 09:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 08:55 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 08:50 gonzaw wrote:
...but Hapa is confirmed dead town. Do you want to lynch him?
And doesn't make much sense, you prefer lynching any of the guys leading a last minute unexpected lynch on scum, rather than Foo? the first is adressed above. The second, yeah both seems incredibly unlikely and I'm betting on 2 mafias being within WoS/VE/Kita but if that's not the case, yeah I'd actually rather start looking into one of those 4, starting with prom, marv and austin before considering foolish. Are you serious??
do you really need to ask me that? Gonzaw asked that and that was my answer. Apparently I am.
I don't consider it a likely scenario at all and don't see a point in talking about it, but yes I am.
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On January 24 2014 09:23 marvellosity wrote:
How is the guy kinda resisting the scum lynch somehow townier than all the dudes on the scum lynch? Are you insane?
I had a townread on him really early on, the rest is adress over clicky!
TL;DR: I see no reason for him to be resisting a Sandro lynch as mafia in his position. I do see a reason for him to be resisting a Sandroba lynch as town in his position: Trying to get the best possible lynch he thinks he can get.
Sure it could be some super complex strategy into whatever ballsy play but there's no reason to even consider that right now when the simply solution at hand just makes sense and doesn't need your brain to work overtime to somehow make it plausible. I like simple solutions, especially if there's no reason to think otherwise.
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On January 24 2014 09:35 marvellosity wrote:
I love that your simple solution = people on mafia lynch are more suspicious than person off mafia lynch
Definitely the simple solution toad. Your mind is a marvel.
I never said that's a simple solution. I said they're both incredibly stupid solutions and I like to not have to consider either of those at all. I may have exaggerated a little when putting it the way I did... all I wanted to get across is that I don't see a foolishness-riddle or however gonzaw called it and there's no way I'm going to consider him with other people around right now and that he shouldn't be in the same category as WoS / VE / Kita right now.
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On January 24 2014 10:03 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 09:34 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2014 09:23 marvellosity wrote:
How is the guy kinda resisting the scum lynch somehow townier than all the dudes on the scum lynch? Are you insane? I had a townread on him really early on, the rest is adress over clicky!TL;DR: I see no reason for him to be resisting a Sandro lynch as mafia in his position. I do see a reason for him to be resisting a Sandroba lynch as town in his position: Trying to get the best possible lynch he thinks he can get. Sure it could be some super complex strategy into whatever ballsy play but there's no reason to even consider that right now when the simply solution at hand just makes sense and doesn't need your brain to work overtime to somehow make it plausible. I like simple solutions, especially if there's no reason to think otherwise. Two questions for you. (1) Do you stand by this even though the actual lynch started 10 minutes before deadline? Sandroba didn't get a third vote until marv with 5 minutes to go, and got hammered with only 4 minutes left. Since you weren't around, even though you have timestamps, I'm not sure you have the full understanding of the speed at which things shifted to sandroba, and so I'm not sure that evaluating how much someone resisted or didn't resist is entirely reliable. (2) At what point do you see Foolishness resisting Sandro's lynch because he wants the best possible lynch from his point of view, i.e., prome? At least for me, I see a mix of comments from Foolishness. I agree that some of his comments are pure "I want the best possible lynch I can get" - + Show Spoiler [from the time of Gonzaw's vote] +On January 23 2014 07:52 Foolishness wrote:
Should just do the Promethelax lynch cause that's a lynch for mafia.
Sandroba is still iffy On January 23 2014 07:54 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 07:53 gonzaw wrote:On January 23 2014 07:51 Foolishness wrote:
I don't even like the sandroba lynch lol Oh yeah why not? He's on your 4 guys likely to be scum right? Are you saying right now that you are FOR SURE sure that Prome, Holy and marv are scum? Do you think Holy is scum after that vote on me above? Why don't you vote sandro Foo vote sandro VOTE SANDRO I'm probably going to have to anyways so don't worry lol Perhaps I'm just that sure on Promethelax, and in these situations my reads get messed up in my head because of all the pressure. So I default to my strongest read before going on crazy goose chases. But the actual majority of his quotes aren't even that prome is BETTER, it's that the sandro lynch is BAD or the people on it are IMPLICITLY SCUMMY - + Show Spoiler [from same timeframe] +On January 23 2014 07:51 Foolishness wrote:
I don't even like the sandroba lynch lol doesn't like sandroba lynch period, even though an afk sand is a scummy sand, sand's absence speaks volumes, etc. On January 23 2014 07:56 Foolishness wrote:
There's no way this sandroba lynch is good.
Also
"Back. Caught up and also read Prome. Fine with a prome lynch." - Austin There is no way the sandroba lynch is good. Despite sand being one of his scummers, his absence speaking volumes, etc. Plus the quote from me on prome without ever mentioning that I've been saying prome or sand for the last hour or so. This is a very, very, very lazy post. If he'd read my posts, he would know that the quote above is not a full summary of my thoughts. On January 23 2014 07:59 Foolishness wrote:
Well, there are some players who said they were okay with Promethelax but are joining the sandroba vote for no reason. This one doesn't say much. He doesn't call prome a good lynch here, doesn't call sand a bad, but now is worried about the specific players swapping. He was townie on me previously, keeps +1ing bits of my posts, but now he's just saying "some players" are joining for "no reason." No specifics. No calling anyone out. The only person he called out was me, and his callout on me is a misrepresentation at best. That's everything Foolishness typed in thread during those 10 minutes. I don't know that, looking at his activity from the time the sandro lynch took off, he can really be said to be "trying to get the best possible lynch he can get." He puts 0 effort into convincing anyone to vote Prome at this point, he never says WHY AREN'T YOU VOTING PROME? PROME DID A, B, and C. He just says that Prome is better a couple times, but also just calls the sandro lynch bad, and shadily drops a piece of my posts in there.
1) I think I was exaggerating a little and not quite getting understanding the situation at the same time. I had 20 minutes in my mind when I looked up something about VE but yeah you're actually right it's just 5 minutes. I'll look into it again tomorrow.
2) I didn't take the posts you have in your 2nd spoiler as serious as you seem to take them because he has been pointing at Sandroba earlier and I basicly read it as "yeah I really think this prom lynch is the better lynch"
That's what happens when gonzaw forces you to get through the thread as quickly as possible, ignoring half of the pages...
I'll look at it again tomorrow and see what to make of it, it's 2:20 over here.I'll be taking more time for myself to process things properly... things seem to mix up in my head and yeah I have to agree with you guys right now
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On January 24 2014 22:12 gonzaw wrote:@Steve WoSniak: Ehmm. Seems you are trying way too hard to justify some of VE's behaviour....when it's basically injustifiable, you just say "it makes him scum" or "I'll ignore it". Show nested quote +I think the absolute worst thing VE has got going for him in his filter is his 'round-the-lynch' shenangians, Vote-swapping all over the place with zero justification. In my opinion however, that is the ONLY scummy thing he has going for him at this point in his filter. It's not small, but it is enough to ignore everything I've posted about thus far? Actually, yeah, it is. Way more important than "Does VE ragequit as scum?" speculation and "Scum VE wouldn't post shit on gonzaw with shitty reasons because he'd know it'd look bad therefore VE is town" I also wouldn't really talk too much about that "if sandro is scum he'll do good later" stuff you both posted. Yes, if both of you are scum it's weird......but like really it seems to just have no importance at all when looking at the big picture or at stuff that matters (like....the lynch and shit) Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 14:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 24 2014 14:25 austinmcc wrote:
WoS, if you're still up, can I ask you to undertake a funky made-up task for me? Pretty please?
If your answer is yes and you're up and active, when you finish going through whatever you want to go through, I'd like for you to play along with this scenario. I am a cop. I have a red check on gonzaw. I tell you this. You smack your head and go, "Aha! It all makes sense now. I should have known Gonzaw was mafia, because __________." If you so choose, you can keep going and add, "Also, now that I know the mafia team was sandroba/gonzaw/?, the third member is almost certainly _______."
EVERYONE ELSE I'M NOT A COP. I DON'T HAVE A RED CHECK.
Just curious. If it were to turn out that Gonzaw is mafia, when you look at his filter, what would give you that, "man, I should have seen this thing because it points towards mafia Gonzaw" feeling? Actually let me give a preliminary answer to that right now: I would say Gonzaw got framed. There is no way in hell I can believe that the way he has been playing currently points to a scum gonzaw---that's one conspiracy-theory-rabbit-hole I just won't fit my fat ass into. I'll read his filter *shudder* once I finish what I'm doing just to be absolutely certain but I don't see my answer changing. It's obvious I tried to save my scumbuddy Foo by trying to get him lynched, then get my actual sandro buddy lynched, to make me and Foo look good so then I can fake having a change of heart on him and ride that town cred to victory Of course.
yeah I'm about here and I got to agree with this. Especially the upper part. I read that thing about VE and it felt so incredibly forced. He's constantly bringing things up that he essentially calls impossible to decide on what to make of it, could be town-VE or mafia-VE and in the end somehow concludes that they're all towntraits in this case?
I get the martyring part, sorry about that btw, and I could easily see how WoS would come to the conclusion, but other than that it really does sound forced. Brb
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On January 25 2014 01:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 01:01 marvellosity wrote:
This is stupid. Is it scummy? I'm not sure. gonzaw was kinda kidding around earlier, but mafia are in a fucking vile spot so stupidity like this is something I'd countenance. VE+you are pushing weird scumteam theories. Toad thinks Fool is townier than sand voters. kita is oddly on the sidelines. In your favour is that you are here. Whether you're mafia or not, though, I don't get this whole line of anything. Could Prome+sandro be mafia together? Yes, it's possible Is there any particular reason why this should be the case? No, not really.
I'd actually like to take that back. No idea what I was thinking yesterday... Had the whole voteswitch happening over a longer time period in my head and after rereading some of the posts Foolish did I just don't think they're that alignment indicative as it seemed on first look.
Like when he mentioned that if he's mafia he has no plan to win because he's limiting the lynch candidates. Same thing can be said about Kita and myself and VE certainly doesn't look like he's having any kind of longterm plan whatsoever either. The exception here's WoS as he still holds firmly on this prom lynch he wants to get, only ever so slightly hinting at maybe being willing to lynch Foolishness a little more but not actually doing so.
checking out his filter atm, you'll get something from me in a while.
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On January 25 2014 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 01:24 gonzaw wrote:On January 25 2014 01:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 01:15 gonzaw wrote:WoS, please, let me get this straight:You think, there are 3 scum: X, Y and Z. You think scum X bussed scum Y ALL D1, without wavering, without changing his vote or even attempting to change his mind, and doing so up until the final minutes of the lynch You think Z casted suspicon on Y, and 30 minutes before deadline decided to bus Y You also think, that immediately after that, Y decides to come to the thread and bus X back. All of this, while this is the votecount at the time: (X): 4 votes (Y): 4 votes (Z): 1 vote You are going to tell me, not a SINGLE townie had a vote on them by the end of D1 (not taking into account Holy's wasted vote). You are going to tell me, that scum made a plan, where they cross-bus each other, vote NO ONE other than each other, end up with ALL THREE OF THEM having votes, and (again BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT) end up with NO TOWNIE HAVING A VOTE ON THEM AT ALL. Not only this, you are going to tell me that scum were completely happy with this (check Prome and Foo's behaviour at the deadline, they were pretty calm about it). You are also going to tell me, that after whatever sick plan they had, which involved getting X lynched, crumbled when a last minute switch to Z happened, then Y was still calm as fuck (even though their whole convoluted complex bussing plan they've been trying to perfect for hours and hours just crumbled at their feet) and even decided to jump on the bandwagon when he had stated in the thread he thought Z to not be that scummy and could be bad town. WoS, repeat what I've just saidDo it, with a straight face. On January 25 2014 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 01:01 marvellosity wrote:
This is stupid. Is it scummy? If you keep up with this absolutely. Oh I see and so if you magically convince me now, all of a sudden I'm off the hook? lol what a joke. I see EXACTLY the problem VE was having. You leave absolutely no room for anything other than your current views when talking to either of us. Considering this, and the fact that we still try and converse with you and you have no intention of changing your mind in the slightest (me more so than VE) I think it's a fucking miracle that anybody would continue. Well WOS, only you and VE seem to have that problem (I don't see Toad nor kita complaining). Both of you came up with this ridiculous idea of the Foo/sandro/Prome scumteam. Coincidence? Nope, it's the reason I've been considering him town. Go ahead and tell me your post is not bias right now. Tell me how likely it is that as scum I'd take the difficult way out here, hard defend my scumbuddy ALL GAME rather than acquiesce quietly. It's waaaayyyyy more likely that I am wrong about VE than we are both scum.KISS.
Let's assume I'm in your shoes.
Let's assume your shoes are townie shoes.
I don't think I put it that way.
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On January 25 2014 01:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 01:30 Toadesstern wrote:On January 25 2014 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 01:24 gonzaw wrote:On January 25 2014 01:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 01:15 gonzaw wrote:WoS, please, let me get this straight:You think, there are 3 scum: X, Y and Z. You think scum X bussed scum Y ALL D1, without wavering, without changing his vote or even attempting to change his mind, and doing so up until the final minutes of the lynch You think Z casted suspicon on Y, and 30 minutes before deadline decided to bus Y You also think, that immediately after that, Y decides to come to the thread and bus X back. All of this, while this is the votecount at the time: (X): 4 votes (Y): 4 votes (Z): 1 vote You are going to tell me, not a SINGLE townie had a vote on them by the end of D1 (not taking into account Holy's wasted vote). You are going to tell me, that scum made a plan, where they cross-bus each other, vote NO ONE other than each other, end up with ALL THREE OF THEM having votes, and (again BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT) end up with NO TOWNIE HAVING A VOTE ON THEM AT ALL. Not only this, you are going to tell me that scum were completely happy with this (check Prome and Foo's behaviour at the deadline, they were pretty calm about it). You are also going to tell me, that after whatever sick plan they had, which involved getting X lynched, crumbled when a last minute switch to Z happened, then Y was still calm as fuck (even though their whole convoluted complex bussing plan they've been trying to perfect for hours and hours just crumbled at their feet) and even decided to jump on the bandwagon when he had stated in the thread he thought Z to not be that scummy and could be bad town. WoS, repeat what I've just saidDo it, with a straight face. On January 25 2014 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 01:01 marvellosity wrote:
This is stupid. Is it scummy? If you keep up with this absolutely. Oh I see and so if you magically convince me now, all of a sudden I'm off the hook? lol what a joke. I see EXACTLY the problem VE was having. You leave absolutely no room for anything other than your current views when talking to either of us. Considering this, and the fact that we still try and converse with you and you have no intention of changing your mind in the slightest (me more so than VE) I think it's a fucking miracle that anybody would continue. Well WOS, only you and VE seem to have that problem (I don't see Toad nor kita complaining). Both of you came up with this ridiculous idea of the Foo/sandro/Prome scumteam. Coincidence? Nope, it's the reason I've been considering him town. Go ahead and tell me your post is not bias right now. Tell me how likely it is that as scum I'd take the difficult way out here, hard defend my scumbuddy ALL GAME rather than acquiesce quietly. It's waaaayyyyy more likely that I am wrong about VE than we are both scum.KISS. Let's assume I'm in your shoes. Let's assume your shoes are townie shoes. I don't think I put it that way. I don't give a shit because it's the truth.
what's the truth. VE being mafia and you being wrong? Why didn't you say so from the beginning instead of doing those 2 wall of texts telling everyone how town he is for things that are in your opinion most likely not alignment indicative.
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how do you guys read so fast... I'm still trying to get through WoS filter and it's just so much "i think this ... but well... maybe not" and can't get through because of that...
Like I said, from my innitial read I didn't like WoS and most of it comes down to how he presented himself in the thread early on. Not surprising considering that my innitial read only consisted of the first 20 or so pages. Anyways, let's start with his very first post of the game:
On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
and given his more recent posts, like the two about VE this really is a common theme here: It doesn't look genuine at all.
So first of all you'll realize the first phrase, being Welp, gonna go with my usual opener. and you'll probably think that it doesn't sound motivated at all, but whatever, could be anything, right? So you continue reading and he explains how he's happy that he rolled town because he'd be terrified to go up against town in this game.
Now the green thing on itself is nothing at all, like I said could be anything, but take into account that he actually points out that he's happy to have rolled town and I don't believe a word he says. That post doesn't sound delighted, happy or whatever else. It does sound like he's completly unmotivated
On we go:
On January 21 2014 10:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 10:46 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum. I was kinda hoping to role mafia with the all vanilla setup. They probably have the advantage regardless of who is playing. Wanna vote sandroba with me? He may or may not be scummy. lol I'm really hoping you're not scum kita. Nah no reason to vote sandroba yet. Not only is there basically nothing to vote him for, I've seen what he's capable of as the game progresses (from PYP) and if he is town and plays this game anything like that, he'll start slow and then start bringing the pain to scum. well yeah, could be anything, right? Next post:On January 21 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
As far as I can tell, he doesn't respond to pressure on himself this early so it wouldn't matter.
I only offered that as an aside anyway, my main reason for not wanting to vote him is because I literally don't see one.
Hapa, do you see yourself getting shot N1 in this game?
you guys seem to like the word coincidence, what about this one? Not reason YET to vote Sandro and next post he says there's no reason at all. Why would he want to say "yet" if he doesn't think he's scummy to begin with. Yes I'm accusing him to have known that Sandro is red and he slipped here slightly.
A lot of people have mentioned that what he has posted feels faked. I'm not going to quote the big VE-post for the threads sake so instead I'm going with a combi-solution and picked something that I just don't like and I think was faked as well:
On January 22 2014 10:32 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 10:28 VisceraEyes wrote:Meh, I try not to read Kita's posts too much because he's mean to me  In all seriousness though, I haven't had a problem with the way he's questioning people. Like, the questions seem to have a guiding thought-process, which is something that I find townie. However it IS strange that he's not come out hard against anyone yet. I'm reserving my judgement on him until he does. That should shed some light as to what is/whether there is the thought-process he's following. It's totes gonna be me I CAN FEEL IT Your current scumread is still Prome I believe? Prome is also a player who often comes out with a massive case against someone and pushes it pretty hard. Why do you not reserve the same judgment for him?
Not much to say here, I just put it as an "example" post to adress this in general. Yes The VE post is a lot better of an example and you should certainly read that and what was replied about that.
another examplary quote:
On January 21 2014 15:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 12:44 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 21 2014 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:On January 21 2014 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:On January 21 2014 12:16 kitaman27 wrote:...The reason to random vote sandroba is because he is incredibly lazy and notorious for getting away without posting on day one. Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here. I wanted to see whether you thought that I was pushing sandroba based on his first post or not. Regardless of whether or not sandroba will react to having votes on him, I still think the best way to start off a game is to place votes early on 1-2 targets. If we're discussing players that have recently posted, I'm not really interested in joining you on VE. Would you be willing to support a Wave bandwagon? I find very few of his questions relevant thus far. I don't see what he is looking for. Wave, would you like to explain your approach to the first few hours of the game? I get a feel for reads through conversation. My questions to Hapa/Prome are to try and get a feel for them while creating conversation at the same time. When I'm curious about something or something strikes me odd, I mention it. I'm not sure why that isn't obvious to you. So what's your feeling of myself and Prome as of now? Any other reads worth mentioning? Only preliminary reads I really have are those who have been actively participating in the thread. I have VE as my strongest townread atm, which I believe I have mentioned before (or at least hinted towards). Hapa I have you as slight town because your entrance and play thus far is consistent with how I remember you from that one game where I smurfed as Gravityman, though I remain wary here because I am not the best meta-user around. Your lines of questioning appear pretty towny as well so even without meta you keep the cursory townread. I have Prome as null atm for a combination of things that VE is also on him about (though the difference may be I don;'t find him scummy necessarily)---his entrance seems way too weird, attention-grabby and most of all forced to be something scum would attempt, but then again I'm not a big fan of the content nor his seemingly baseless townread of me. Is there anything else anyone wants before I'm off to bed? I won't be around for much of tomorrow but I will return in the evening. On January 23 2014 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
And for the record I probably am probably scummier on inactive Foolishness than inactive sandroba. Could be bias because I have precedent in PYP for sandroba in terms of an early game lurk then blasting onto the scene, but as was mentioend before (I forget by who atm?) sandroba was actively engaging the thread when he was around, whereas Foolishness basically hasn't talked to anyone, he just threw stuff and fucked off multiple times.
he has a crapton of these kind of posts in his filter were he describes something he considers weird but backs up and undermines himself saying he's not sure about it at all. Townies try to convince people. Townies usually think they're right in the first place and yes townies get cold feet sometimes but if that happens they try to not bring it in the thread to avoid paranoia and because they're trying to CONVINCE other people. Doesn't look like a townie to me.
He wasn't around at deadline either, no posting. There's a certain mafia agenda to be found there.
- Mafia does not want to start a Sandroba wagon
- Mafia does not want to hop on a Sandroba wagon assuming that at least one of Foolish or Prom is town
- Mafia does not want to defend Sandroba either
Seems l pretty convenient to not be around at deadline if you're mafia.
The same (the very last part) can be said about VE and it's my main point about him because he's even worse in that regard as he was around for CERTAIN, he posted just before the switch happened and just didn't bother to post or do anything.
The above however and the fact that hapa died is more than enough to prioritize WoS over VE today.
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On January 25 2014 03:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
So once again, you think I'm scum because I'm not confident in my reads.
Whatever I can accept that to some degree but it still pisses me off that I essentially have to lie to the thread on my D1 if I don't have a strong read to show people I'm town. That isn't right.
And as for the point about me not being here for lynch?
Marv, if you would be so kind, what happened the last time people tried to get me lynched for not being around?
Have I ever ONCE lied about not being around when i could be?
This in particular REALLY fucking gets my goat because it's like it's the best you can do and it's blatantly false, and I have no way to effectively prove it. Are you purposefully trying to antagonize me with your case?
I am very well aware of the fact that there's no point for you to prove it and neither can I prove it. I'm pointing it out because I still see mafia agenda in it and like I said VE did the same, not sure about Kita, haven't read him just yet but could be he did it as well.
I'm saying I see reasoning for mafia to be doing that and while not being sure how it went down everything else makes the thing tipp in your direction, instead of VE. And no I'm not trying to make you mad, you should know that after last game I'm certainly not going to try to make anyone mad. Should I ignore it though?
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On January 25 2014 03:37 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 03:16 Toadesstern wrote:how do you guys read so fast... I'm still trying to get through WoS filter and it's just so much "i think this ... but well... maybe not" and can't get through because of that... Like I said, from my innitial read I didn't like WoS and most of it comes down to how he presented himself in the thread early on. Not surprising considering that my innitial read only consisted of the first 20 or so pages. Anyways, let's start with his very first post of the game: On January 21 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
I think the only difference here is for the first time I'm actually relieved to roll town. I'd be pretty terrified to go up against this town as scum.
One of these days I will have another scumgame; it seems that day is not today.
Holy! Where you at? I've never played a non-voice game with you before. Let's do something.
and given his more recent posts, like the two about VE this really is a common theme here: It doesn't look genuine at all. So first of all you'll realize the first phrase, being Welp, gonna go with my usual opener. and you'll probably think that it doesn't sound motivated at all, but whatever, could be anything, right? So you continue reading and he explains how he's happy that he rolled town because he'd be terrified to go up against town in this game. Now the green thing on itself is nothing at all, like I said could be anything, but take into account that he actually points out that he's happy to have rolled town and I don't believe a word he says. That post doesn't sound delighted, happy or whatever else. It does sound like he's completly unmotivated lol Wave's play this game has been anything but unmotivated. Anyways, could lynch Toad today I guess. But VE isn't doing shit.
I'm talking about the first post and not his play in general. People don't screw up in every post they do.
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On January 25 2014 03:42 gonzaw wrote:But then your case doesn't hold any water. In fact, if he's been motivated this whole game, and he said "I'm relieved to be town, if I was scum I'd be terrified", then who gives a shit if his 1st post is unmotivated, if the other 500 are? If he said that, but he played like VE (not doing much, then ragequitting, etc), it'd be a GREAT contradiction, where he said that stuff to gain town cred but contradicted it and outted himself as scum. Yet it is consistent with his play http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=72#1434This entire case of yours sucks Toad. Nitpicking little shit (seriously you think he's scum because of the "no reason to vote sandro yet" thing?), bla bla ##Unvote
##Vote: ToadVE, your turn. I'm not voting you anymore, what are you going to do?
you didn't even read it. IT had nothing to do with him being unmotivated but with him faking.
He SOUNDED unmotivated in that one specific post, his entrance post when he should not have. He should have sounded delighted to be town, like he said. What he said and how he said it didn't add up.
I'm not making a case on him being unmotivated, I'm making a case about how he's not making sense in the way he's talking and constantly has posts that read like a farce, like the two big posts about VE, like the opening posts. What he posts and how he reacts are completly off in those posts.
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On January 25 2014 03:47 gonzaw wrote:
Sorry, don't see how saying "Welp" says anything about his psychological state at the time. That post is not unmotivated either.
how is Welp, gonna go with my usual opener.
not unmotivated. That's the most whatever-post I've ever read. If he actually is happy to have rolled town he would have posted something different, probably even something stupid just to express that, instead he just goes with his "usual" opening without anything at all.
He's either lying about being happy to have rolled town, which I don't see a reason for either alignment to lie about.
Or this post doesn't add up with what he's saying.
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On January 25 2014 03:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 03:45 Toadesstern wrote:On January 25 2014 03:42 gonzaw wrote:But then your case doesn't hold any water. In fact, if he's been motivated this whole game, and he said "I'm relieved to be town, if I was scum I'd be terrified", then who gives a shit if his 1st post is unmotivated, if the other 500 are? If he said that, but he played like VE (not doing much, then ragequitting, etc), it'd be a GREAT contradiction, where he said that stuff to gain town cred but contradicted it and outted himself as scum. Yet it is consistent with his play http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=72#1434This entire case of yours sucks Toad. Nitpicking little shit (seriously you think he's scum because of the "no reason to vote sandro yet" thing?), bla bla ##Unvote
##Vote: ToadVE, your turn. I'm not voting you anymore, what are you going to do? you didn't even read it. IT had nothing to do with him being unmotivated but with him faking. He SOUNDED unmotivated in that one specific post, his entrance post when he should not have. He should have sounded delighted to be town, like he said. What he said and how he said it didn't add up. I'm not making a case on him being unmotivated, I'm making a case about how he's not making sense in the way he's talking and constantly has posts that read like a farce, like the two big posts about VE, like the opening posts. What he posts and how he reacts are completly off in those posts. Just ignore the rest of my filter though, k? So ridiculous. There is nothing in your case against me that brings up anything legitimate in any way.
you're co-hosting SMB. Remember any posts I did in that game when accusing people? That's how I work. I go after phrasing that seems off and you'd know that after I pushed 2 or 3 people in there for odd phrasing.
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On January 25 2014 04:12 gonzaw wrote:
Toad, what do you think about Foolishness' attitude towards you and your predecessor?
I.e instantly finding Holy scummy (because of my case), but never doing anything else about it (other than fleetingly mention him a few times), to him being his 2nd scum read after Prome, to him not mentioning him nor you AT ALL after he had a 100% change of heart on Prome?
No idea, I haven't read a single post from Holyflare so no idea if his accusations on my predecessor as you coined it so nicely make sense, btw also something WoS mentioned about me how I kept the reads from Holy... I didn't even know that lol
I did ignore it in general as I was seeing the same thing from foolishness about Sandro and it was so extreme that I just thought it has to be an exaggeration until austin pointed out that is indeed weird. He has been on Sandro for a while, called him mafia and suddendly started calling the lynch bad and wasn't willing to vote him. Haven't put too much thought into it. I had to catch up, I had to reread a bunch and as stupid as this situation may be I just can't catch up, reread and at the same time put the same amount of time into reading yet other filters as you guys are doing right now. I have to make this work somehow and I start out with what's #1 on my priority list. Just saying because you still don't seem to understand the situation I'm in. Yes a bunch of stuff I'm going to say will be less in detail than stuff you do and I don't have the time to do proper research like you guys. That's to be expected and there's nothing I can do about that. Yes I'm slightly angry about the fact that you've basicly called me out about not reading carefully enough...
Yeah I'm explaining it from the Sandro <-> Foolish perspective but it seems to be the same thing you're getting at? Because like I said I haven't read Holy's posts.
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On January 25 2014 04:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like, and he was last on the wagon - whether it was a minute or 10 minutes, he voted last on the wagon and was NOT the hammer vote on sandroba.
the thing is, if foolishness is mafia that explains why he didn't vote Sandro despite being a very shady explanation. If Sandro and Foolish are mafia together Foolish has nothing to lose, it's either him or Sandro to get lynched, might as well just do nothing and hope that in the confusion of voteswitches Prome (assuming he's town) gets into a more favoreable position to be lynched.
If Prom however is mafia as well, so saying it's Sand - Foolish - Prom, that unwillingness from Foolish to vote Sand makes no sense whatsoever. He has nothing to get out of not voting Sand except for a 1-1 trade with Sand which doesn't change a thing for him. Voting Sand however gives him the chance to get some towncred out of it and he WAS around, he could have certaintly voted Sand.
It just doesn't make sense if Prom and Foolish are both mafia.
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On January 25 2014 04:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 04:36 Toadesstern wrote:On January 25 2014 04:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like, and he was last on the wagon - whether it was a minute or 10 minutes, he voted last on the wagon and was NOT the hammer vote on sandroba. the thing is, if foolishness is mafia that explains why he didn't vote Sandro despite being a very shady explanation. If Sandro and Foolish are mafia together Foolish has nothing to lose, it's either him or Sandro to get lynched, might as well just do nothing and hope that in the confusion of voteswitches Prome (assuming he's town) gets into a more favoreable position to be lynched. If Prom however is mafia as well, so saying it's Sand - Foolish - Prom, that unwillingness from Foolish to vote Sand makes no sense whatsoever. He has nothing to get out of not voting Sand except for a 1-1 trade with Sand which doesn't change a thing for him. Voting Sand however gives him the chance to get some towncred out of it and he WAS around, he could have certaintly voted Sand. It just doesn't make sense if Prom and Foolish are both mafia. I cannot think of a scenario where Foolishness would have not moved his vote if he needed to for survival. I think he would have done so regardless of his own alignment and regardless of the alignment of any other player, he just didn't need to since the votes where there.
yes certainly. But he could have done earlie to make the switch look more like it's going to happen.
What I'm saying is that if he's mafia there might be a reason to wait with that, to have some votes on foolish, some on Sandro and at the same time get Prom closer to majority because votes are splitting up.
Worst case scenario: Nothing changes numberwise, 1 out of Foolish or sand gets lynched
Best case scenario: Prom somehow ends up being lynched.
The 2nd case however has no best-case scenario, or rather it's identical with the worst case scenario from a lynch's point of view, so might as well go for some towncred and put the vote on Sandro.
But yes I agree, I don't see foolishness not changing votes for survival reasons as either alignment either, but that wasn't the question here. The question was why Sand-Prom-Foolishness makes no sense.
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On January 25 2014 06:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 04:24 Toadesstern wrote:On January 25 2014 04:12 gonzaw wrote:
Toad, what do you think about Foolishness' attitude towards you and your predecessor?
I.e instantly finding Holy scummy (because of my case), but never doing anything else about it (other than fleetingly mention him a few times), to him being his 2nd scum read after Prome, to him not mentioning him nor you AT ALL after he had a 100% change of heart on Prome? No idea, I haven't read a single post from Holyflare so no idea if his accusations on my predecessor as you coined it so nicely make sense, btw also something WoS mentioned about me how I kept the reads from Holy... I didn't even know that lol I did ignore it in general as I was seeing the same thing from foolishness about Sandro and it was so extreme that I just thought it has to be an exaggeration until austin pointed out that is indeed weird. He has been on Sandro for a while, called him mafia and suddendly started calling the lynch bad and wasn't willing to vote him. Haven't put too much thought into it. I had to catch up, I had to reread a bunch and as stupid as this situation may be I just can't catch up, reread and at the same time put the same amount of time into reading yet other filters as you guys are doing right now. I have to make this work somehow and I start out with what's #1 on my priority list. Just saying because you still don't seem to understand the situation I'm in. Yes a bunch of stuff I'm going to say will be less in detail than stuff you do and I don't have the time to do proper research like you guys. That's to be expected and there's nothing I can do about that. Yes I'm slightly angry about the fact that you've basicly called me out about not reading carefully enough... Yeah I'm explaining it from the Sandro <-> Foolish perspective but it seems to be the same thing you're getting at? Because like I said I haven't read Holy's posts. How is this possible if you've read the game? ...
would have taken more time to read them and I don't see a reason to do so. Whenever I saw his name I skipped the post and when someone quoted him I read the quoted part but I didn't really pay attention to it and couldn't remember a single thing he said by now.
Like I said, it's a shitty situation I'm in and I have to prioritize things to get this going. Reading his filter isn't even on the list of things I intend to do.
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you do realize that I replaced in for Holyflare? I know his / my alignment, why would I care to read his filter. I don't intent to carry over his reads either so no need to know that, if that happened as WoS pointed out it's a mere coincidence and people thinking alike because I have literally not read a single post from him except for stuff quoted by other people.
So why would I want to spent some hours to read that as well instead of getting through the thread as fast as possible or reading up on other things that are actually interesting, like the voteswitch period or people I consider to be scummy.
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