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gonzaw
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kushm4sta
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kushm4sta
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01-31-2014 02:36 AM ET (US) EDIT DELETE 1.5 pages in on marv's filter and it look scummy to me. He is very focused on nitpicking people about unimportant shit. | ||
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DarthPunk
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gonzaw
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iamperfection
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gonzaw
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See how that turned out for him | ||
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austinmcc
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On February 03 2014 03:03 iamperfection wrote: ^its pretty irrelevant if you "knew" marv was scum or not. You have to have the ability to get him lynched which can be extremely difficult. You have to both be able to convince the majority of people (and NOBODY wanted to move off of foolishness except perhaps kita?), AND you know there are still other scum. No matter how convinced I was that marv was scum, I was also convinced on prome. I didn't care a ton about pushing marv super hard because I thought we had scum already. Heck, when trying to see things in a different light, I kept creating prome + x teams, to double check and see if marv was wrong even though I thought he was scum. I never sat down and did marv + x teams to see if some other team magically had everything make sense. I think staying alive while LOOKING scummy to some people, and having some people convinced of your scumminess, is one of the more difficult aspects of playing scum. No matter how scummy you look, you can often just paint someone else scummier, or slightly push town towards another target. | ||
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gonzaw
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At LYLO, in obs qt, marv didn't make any sense as Prome's buddy to me. Maybe that's why I went with austin scum at that time. marv didn't push anybody at LYLO, didn't bus Prome. If Prome flipped scum (which we assumed would happen at that time), marv would look horrible. He wouldn't be pushing anybody when that happened, he would have nothing to go on when N4/D5 falls. Austin already was pushing him as Prome's buddy, so austin had "leverage" when Prome flipped. Austin would just keep pushing marv with all his might. But what would scum marv do? Nothing, he'd go "oh fuck, I guess I have to find the remaining scum now". He would look bad as fuck, he'd have to change his whole plan to see who to pinpoint as scum, and he'd lose credit for that because he would have to come up with that out of nowhere (i.e no townie would really believe him). If marv was scum with Prome his play on LYLO wouldn't make any sense at all. I think that might have been a good opportunity to realize "Wait, something's wrong here". Well, for me it was just jumping into the Prome+austin scumteam. But from austin's POV, maybe you could have come up with something different, and maybe realize Prome was town (since...wel..you wouldn't believe in a Prome+austin scumteam right? lol) | ||
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austinmcc
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On February 03 2014 03:14 gonzaw wrote: Probably should have, I kept going back to see if I was missing anything in WoS or Toad's filter.Yeah, the problem in LYLO was the whole "Prome is scum, who is his buddy?" At LYLO, in obs qt, marv didn't make any sense as Prome's buddy to me. Maybe that's why I went with austin scum at that time. marv didn't push anybody at LYLO, didn't bus Prome. If Prome flipped scum (which we assumed would happen at that time), marv would look horrible. He wouldn't be pushing anybody when that happened, he would have nothing to go on when N4/D5 falls. Austin already was pushing him as Prome's buddy, so austin had "leverage" when Prome flipped. Austin would just keep pushing marv with all his might. But what would scum marv do? Nothing, he'd go "oh fuck, I guess I have to find the remaining scum now". He would look bad as fuck, he'd have to change his whole plan to see who to pinpoint as scum, and he'd lose credit for that because he would have to come up with that out of nowhere (i.e no townie would really believe him). If marv was scum with Prome his play on LYLO wouldn't make any sense at all. I think that might have been a good opportunity to realize "Wait, something's wrong here". Well, for me it was just jumping into the Prome+austin scumteam. But from austin's POV, maybe you could have come up with something different, and maybe realize Prome was town (since...wel..you wouldn't believe in a Prome+austin scumteam right? lol) But just kept coming up townie on them, so was set. marv was right that he doesn't normally defend scumbuddies, but I honestly don't put a ton of credence into "I don't normally do x as scum" because anyone who knows how they do/don't play can alter something as simple as "don't normally defend buddies." People who are self-aware get less/little credit from me for playing to a particular style except for maybe the folks who have shown an absolute refusal to play much as scum (DI, sandroba). I guess part of it was having so few people and me being townie on Toad, but whenever I tried to find what I was missing, it was always a different partner for prome, never that partner for marv. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
lol it just kind of happened? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On February 03 2014 03:30 gonzaw wrote: I thought HF's conversation with you about you/Foolishness D1 looked really good, didn't care that he hadn't read HF's filter, and thought that scum would be more worried/doing more/doing something in the last day, given that I thought prome was scum. Why did everybody think Toad was town actually? lol it just kind of happened? | ||
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gonzaw
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But well, your town read on him was understandable. I don't remember why everybody else thought he was town lol. | ||
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marvellosity
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On February 03 2014 03:08 austinmcc wrote: ^ You have to both be able to convince the majority of people (and NOBODY wanted to move off of foolishness except perhaps kita?), AND you know there are still other scum. No matter how convinced I was that marv was scum, I was also convinced on prome. I didn't care a ton about pushing marv super hard because I thought we had scum already. Heck, when trying to see things in a different light, I kept creating prome + x teams, to double check and see if marv was wrong even though I thought he was scum. I never sat down and did marv + x teams to see if some other team magically had everything make sense. I think staying alive while LOOKING scummy to some people, and having some people convinced of your scumminess, is one of the more difficult aspects of playing scum. No matter how scummy you look, you can often just paint someone else scummier, or slightly push town towards another target. Mm. Didn't have a vote on me all game I think? What more could I have done... | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On February 03 2014 04:22 marvellosity wrote: Oh no, that's not targeted as you. Just that playing scum sometimes feels more difficult when there's legitimate suspicion on you, and it takes a little practice to realize that suspicion =/= you're dead, and you being scummy =/= you're dead, because everyone else is suspicious for something and scummy for something.Mm. Didn't have a vote on me all game I think? What more could I have done... It's a response to the folks who knew you were scum, or were sure you were scum, or whatever. Regardless of whether you were scummy, you did well to just keep trucking, paint other people as scum, and the people going "marv could be scum this game" "marv doesn't feel right" never actually got anywhere other than just voicing their suspicions. I dunno if everyone saying they had you 1000% scum this game would have gone after you relentlessly or whether they would have just been part of the chorus thinking you were possibly/probably scum. | ||
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marvellosity
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what you're saying is what i'm agreeing with essentially | ||
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austinmcc
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austinmcc
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marvellosity
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austinmcc
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(also, is that the british spelling?) | ||
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