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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12972 Posts
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Calix
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Even in Belgium yesterday the news reporters and "experts" were still giving Trump shit for really no reason at all. Belgians can't vote and the news is more propaganda based than reality based. Not a single time did the news report here why 55% (dnu how many it now are) of the future voters could vote Trump, or why 45% would vote Hilary. Which is the kind of reporting one should expect living in another continent. Content-less accusations and dramatizations were reigning supreme. Let's go back to Western biased feel good news again pls. Insignificant first world issues were completely ignored lately. | ||
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justanothertownie
16342 Posts
On November 09 2016 20:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Pls don't give him the nuclear codes pls | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
I have to help so many people today due to this election. Everyone is either super happy or super depressed. Was a good close election. 14 vote difference at one point for NH. 71 vote difference at one point for Michigan. Came down to Penn. Florida, Nevada and Michigan. | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
However, having Trump as president is either the best thing possible (so people will actually see what they've voted), or he'll be controlled by background Republicans (i.e. "establishment") anyways. Or, third world war. | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
On November 10 2016 02:45 beentheredonethat wrote: In total voter numbers, he actually lost, right? American election system is weird. Overall, he lost by He won the electoral college vote, which is based on the popular vote for each state or their own vote (depends on state. Some like NC, the electors have to vote with the popular vote.) and count. Trump got over the 270 total votes needed to win the race. FYI, number of electors = # of senators + # of house of representatives. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
Trump got 59,350,000 votes Clinton got 59,580,000 votes This means Clinton has about 230,000 more votes than Trump so far. So Clinton actually beat Trump by between a third and a half of a percent. depending on how the final votes come out. However, the US President is not chosen by popular vote, but instead via a process using the Electoral College. So, despite getting fewer votes than Clinton, Trump will be the next president. In any case, this election isn't what I was hoping for, but I will be cautiously optimistic that Trump will leave most of the actual governing to Pence and spend his time doing press events, etc. This would be the best outcome and wouldn't actually be that bad; Trump has head of state is much better than Trump as chief executive.I really hope this is what happens, at least. Cause Trump taking an active hand in governing could be pretty bad, given his self-control issues. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
On November 08 2016 06:16 VayneAuthority wrote: i tried posting in there for one week and got banned for 3 months, that thread is horrible Couldn't help yourself could you? | ||
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Shapelog
United States5188 Posts
And I wasn't scammed this time! EDIT: ![[image loading]](http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/515040/header.jpg?t=1475883456) You might laugh now, but tis future of America's educational programs. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On November 10 2016 02:51 Blazinghand wrote: That's correct, that Trump didn't actually get more votes than Clinton. We're still counting the last votes, but by all accounts, it appears that: Trump got 59,350,000 votes Clinton got 59,580,000 votes This means Clinton has about 230,000 more votes than Trump so far. So Clinton actually beat Trump by between a third and a half of a percent. depending on how the final votes come out. However, the US President is not chosen by popular vote, but instead via a process using the Electoral College. So, despite getting fewer votes than Clinton, Trump will be the next president. In any case, this election isn't what I was hoping for, but I will be cautiously optimistic that Trump will leave most of the actual governing to Pence and spend his time doing press events, etc. This would be the best outcome and wouldn't actually be that bad; Trump has head of state is much better than Trump as chief executive.I really hope this is what happens, at least. Cause Trump taking an active hand in governing could be pretty bad, given his self-control issues. the popular vote was so close that it acualy makes more sense for the silly us electorate system to decide the president for once. i laugh when people complain that trump lost by like 0.001% | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
On November 12 2016 06:34 sicklucker wrote: the popular vote was so close that it acualy makes more sense for the silly us electorate system to decide the president for once. i laugh when people complain that trump lost by like 0.001% Eh, the gap (now that most of the votes are counted) is 400,000 votes out of 120,000,000 votes, which is actually 0.3%, not 0.001% or anything close to that. It was a close race, yeah, and I'm not disputing the result of the EC or who should legally be our next president, but Clinton clearly got more votes. On November 12 2016 06:35 sicklucker wrote: well to be fair Canada has a similar system ;p. its pretty standard I would think im sure england has something like that since most democracy's including canada are based off that. England's head of state is hereditary and England's chief exec isn't elected but is appointed by the party that got the majority (currently the Conservatives, who have 51% of the seats in parliament and got 36% of the votes in the election due to districting). The country that really gets this right IMO is France, which does a run-off system which allows for 3rd parties to get a chance (and they often do!) but then a runoff between the top two most popular candidates, all done via popular vote. This is also how the state of California does elections for all state-level offices and state-wide offices, like State Senate, State Assembly, Governor, Federal Senator, Federal Representative, etc. It's quite good. In a system like this, we'd have a general election where you could vote for whoever you wanted without worrying about spoiling things. Let's say you prefer Johnson by far, but are worried because although you hate Trump you hate Clinton even more. Well, under a run-off popular vote system, you vote for Johnson in the first round, and if it ends up being Trump v Clinton in the runoff, you can then vote for the lesser evil. First Past the Post is pretty bad for third parties, and EC + FTPT together is pretty sad. It works reasonably well but not nearly as well as the systems designed by countries that had a chance to learn from our mistakes. Still, it's the system we have so we work with it. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
The Senate definitely helps people in small less populated states. The EC+FPTP system specifically helps people in swing states, whether those are more urban or more rural. Big states, small states, medium states, it doesn't matter, all that matters is whether or not you're a swing state. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
Why is this you ask. Well the people voting for president are the EC. They can vote for who they want. They do not have to vote for who the people voted for. This has never happened in the history of the US and doubtful it will happen here. But it is a possibility. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
Fix the system, don't make its problems worse imo | ||
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
On November 12 2016 09:35 Onegu wrote: Thing is there is a very small possibility that Trump will not be the president but some other conservative will be. Why is this you ask. Well the people voting for president are the EC. They can vote for who they want. They do not have to vote for who the people voted for. This has never happened in the history of the US and doubtful it will happen here. But it is a possibility. if you mean .00000000000000000001% i guess | ||
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