What's this about? We've exchanged several PM's already. You pretty much avoided answering anything though...... You refused to talk about your reads or your policy. And now you just forgot? How is that even possible?

yea i forgot. ve pmd me too i guess.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

January 11 2014 19:18 GMT

#703

On January 12 2014 04:06 Koshi wrote:
Your point? Why so outraged?

I'm just baffled by a completely false statement like that. I see no gain for him to lie on purpose, but it's weird that he would just forget about our PM's as well. So I want to know what caused this statement.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

January 11 2014 19:19 GMT

#704

On January 12 2014 04:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

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yea i forgot. ve pmd me too i guess.

Do you have reads you can share now? In PM's you were completely unwilling to talk.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 11 2014 19:20 GMT

#705

because i forgot. i forgot you were even in this game when i was asked about you later.

anyway here is our pm log

I don't agree with the notion of fake activity there, I think you're misdirecting that idea. You can listen to the first tl mafia podcast if you want to hear my thoughts on day 1 policy discussion.

I have very slight reads but they're just nudges. It would be counterproductive to mention them now. When I have time I'd like to pressure those players first. I'm already doing it a little bit in PMs.

Original Message From Xatalos:
I'd be interested to hear that, yes.

Ok then. I'd like to hear more of your stances on players rather than policy though. I realize it's early, but it's relatively easy to fake activity with policy talk, and I'd rather not elect a scum Mayor. Do you have (even slight) player reads yet?

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Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
There's nothing to discuss about BH, all I did was ask him questions and disagree with his premature lynch choice. I never accused him of anything. If I feel one way about him strongly, you'll know.

There are a lot of ways I've talked about on the podcast as well, I'm not going to type them out on my phone rn but if you need me to tell you ill do so in the morning when I'm on a proper computer.

Original Message From Xatalos:
What about the points I mentioned about BH?

How exactly do you catch scum with policy talk?

Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
I'm busy tonight at Friday night magic. I am PMing marv and I am concerned with his passive nature. I figure when I get home there will be more to consider. Talking about policy is my policy for day 1, it makes people take sides and you can catch scum in serious errors like promethelax in I think LX?

Original Message From Xatalos:
I'm considering you for Mayor, and I kind of like your policy ideas, but you've pretty much only talked about policy so far.

You did mention BH though. You hoped that his true intention is to generate discussion, but did you see Titanic II? There he tunneled a lurker all game and ignored me although I was near-confirmed scum. He was town. I somehow doubt that he has any noble goals in mind currently, town or scum. And it'd be extremely easy to fake a mindless push like that.

Have you PM'd with marv yet? What do you think of his disinterest in becoming Mayor? Does he otherwise feel towny?

i didn't really avoid talking to you seeing as i explained my inactivity and said i'd answer your questions but i forgot about you by the time i got home and you never PM'd me again like if you wanted to get answers from me and feel dissatisfied with my activity or whatever, why not keep hounding me? my feelings on BH and everything have changed since that PM exchange as well.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 11 2014 19:22 GMT

#706

I wasn't completely unwilling to tallk. You only asked me about BH, which I gave you my opinion on at the time which was a mostly null, leaning scum read and said I'd get back to you in the morning because I was very busy. We could talk about reads if you're really interested in that, but I expect you give your opinions as well instead of prodding for mine and then going silent

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

January 11 2014 19:22 GMT

#707

I was sleeping after our PM's. But can you share now?

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 11 2014 19:24 GMT

#708

i mean i answered your questions outside of elaborating about policy talk which i don't mind doing now, why would you say i was unwilling to talk to you? i even told you that i would get back to you when i wasn't busy. why would i lie intentionally about not pming people? it would be the easiest way to get caught lying about something stupid, it's obvious i just forgot

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

January 11 2014 19:28 GMT

#709

Well, not completely unwilling, but evasive. I agree that there's no good reason for you to lie there, which made me assume you forgot, but it still feels weird.

yamato77

11589 Posts

January 11 2014 19:30 GMT

#710

It does seem weird that you, as town, don't associate the PMs you got with the posts in the thread. I could believe you, as mafia, forgot who you were PMing and picked a post you thought you could make look bad out of the thread without considering whose it was.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 11 2014 19:31 GMT

#711

i've made an entire case on someone before that was like a page long because i thought they were someone else because their usernames both start with an "m"

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

January 11 2014 19:34 GMT

#712

forgetting things is kind of my thing and the PMs went down late while i was out on the town and pretty busy/distracted so it's not a stretch. someone asked me what i think of xatalos earlier and i didn't even know who xatalos was despite having PMd with him hours ago, i guess people are kind nameless to me until they say something that stands out. that's why im bad at mafia

yamato77

11589 Posts

January 11 2014 19:34 GMT

#713

We'll call it moot.

Is there anything else in the thread you feel the need to remark on?

yamato77

11589 Posts

January 11 2014 20:21 GMT

#714

RE: Moc actually playing the game

I initially felt like Moc trolling was a town tell, but as anyone reading saw, it got old quickly. Thankfully he stopped, but what does this tell us about his alignment?

The act itself of beginning to play the game is null. As mafia, he's surely invested in not getting lynched, especially on the first day, and with many players stating their intent to kill him lest he stop, he didn't really have much of a choice. As town, he obviously gains nothing from continuing to troll aside from perhaps reaction reads, but will also probably inevitably get lynched. Similar logic, it does nothing to further his wincon as either alignment to get lynched, so he stops trolling.

What he has done since seems townish. I'm leery of Mocsta because of how poorly I read him in LXIII, but I see nothing that suggests to me that he's attempting to be deceptive. He talks a lot with kush, but that in and of itself doesn't mean anything nefarious. He looks like he's putting in effort in his own Mocsta way, so there's no reason to pat special attention to him any longer.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

January 11 2014 20:22 GMT

#715

agree

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 11 2014 20:27 GMT

#716

I have some juicy shit on DrH and Xatalos.

yamato77

11589 Posts

January 11 2014 20:29 GMT

#717

Wanna share?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

January 11 2014 20:34 GMT

#718

Xatalos had a PM convo he quoted in thread with DrH last night (fin time). In the morning i ask DrH what he thinks about Xatalos. His answer is literally "i don't even know who Xatalos is lol". Xatalos - when he comes back to the thread - does not call DrH out for it.

What the fuck are those guys doing in PM's? Why don't people pay attention? Xatalos seems to be paying attention and appears pro-active, yet he doesn't notice that kinda stuff. DrH forgets half of his PM-mates, what's the purpose of PMing if you don't even remember who you have PM'd a couple of hours later?

Seems like there is no purpose and they are just throwing PM's around to look active.