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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 13 2014 00:57 GMT
#1571
Some VE logs.
Have fucking fun.

Can give you thrawn and yamato if you want too.



Original Message From VisceraEyes:
I'm down to IRC or whatever. I didn't bring it to the thread for that reason - because I can also see DocH doing this as town maybe if it is him going all emo.

My vote is on you because I think you'll do your hardest to find a good lynch and lynch it. You're putting in way more effort into fooling me than I think you would if you were scum, but that's just my feels reason. You're PMs with me seem to have a genuine concern for trying to figure out other peoples' alignments, and you don't seem evasive about anything. That's why my vote is on you - because I think you're town and because in the end I'm confident in your commitment to the game if you win. If you're not running just let me know and I'll find another candidate, but I think you'll do fine for this game.

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Original Message From WaveofShadow:
People's reasoning on Derrida appears to be that his opening post in this game somewhat matches the opening post in his scumgame (which is his ONLY other unflipped game---he's another that is still running). I get my ass burned on newbie reads all the time but I really don't THINK he's scum...I mean of course he could be pulling all that newbie shit as scum to throw people off but ugh.

I don't think you could get DrH lynched for that nor do I think you should. Isn't DrH all about going all emo when stuff doesn't go his way? Is that what made him give up the election exactly as well because I thought he had reasoning in thread as to why he backed down, unless he was lying. Personally this is the reason why I wouldn't have voted him for mayor in the end (and if I was running, would have included it in my platform)---because DrH is known to get 'bored' or give up shortly after D1. He gets demoralized very easily and we need something better than that in a mayor. Also how exactly did rayn and suchdoge shake him up? Because I could very well see the both of them as scum. Rayn is just not performing to standard this game and I have a case on suchdoge in thread that nobody has commented on.

Why is your vote on me right now exactly?
(I'll probably be around for a while since my guy is having a rough night, so if you want to irc at any point just PM me and let me know.)

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
No he didn't warn me, but he has asked me for a couple of paragraphs on my reads. He says he's lost confidence in the game.

I could probably get him lynched for the PM he sent me. It's really out of character and given context, looks pretty bad. I'm just trying to figure out of I'm seeing what I see.

Here's the post.

Original Message From DoctorHelvetica:
can i get like a paragraph or two on your top one or two scumreads, i'm really out of confidence in this game rayn and suchdoge really shook me up. i need a jumping off point since my BH lynch fell off the map.


He was suspicious of BH in the thread AND in PMs with me, but now he's acting all mopey because his scumread didn't pan out, presumably due to the mason claim.

Can I see a town Doc acting like this? Maybe. Scum DocH? Maybe.

Like from my perspective, as town, I'm like "Whatever, we'll lynch one of them eventually if they never die in spite of being claimed and confirmed town" so I'm just fine with letting them go. But it shakes DocH into giving up the election? What do YOU think it means? I think it makes him look much worse.

Also where the pissballs is rayn? Since BH claimed mason I've seen practically nothing from rayn.

What's the deal with Dirreda or whatever? Why are people suspicious of him? I've read most of the thread and I'm not really seeing much reasoning for it. I really just need to reread the whole thread before it gets too big to do so. I just read the last 20 or so pages but I kinda want to start over and reread everything before I go any further. And before I do that I'm gonna play LoL.

Original Message From WaveofShadow:
Thoughts on who you'd want as mayor now with DrH out?
Did he talk to you at all or give you any warning regarding his dropping from the race (ie was it a gambit)?

Also for pretty terrible reasons I'm thinking Mocsta is scum.

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
I responded to that point. I don't have time and no, I couldn't totally win. Scum got me elected last game.

Original Message From WaveofShadow:
You know, aside from Koshis dumb suspicion of me because I'm not 'mad enough' about rolling town, he makes a point about you and the mayoral election. You could totally win---why not run?
Original Message From VisceraEyes:
Yeah when you were all defeatist about how bad towns have been and stuff, a la Thug Life. As much as I may have agreed with you about it, being vocal about it in the thread did nothing but make me think you were dramatizing it with malicious intent

Original Message From WaveofShadow:
Wish I knew honestly. I've never played with a scum marv so I don't know what to expect, and PM-land is muddling it up because I don't know what he's doing. I know I don't like the fact that he's not even attempting to assist town in public as normal.

(What do you mean by in a hole about the quality of play here? Do you mean in this game, or Thug Life when I was all ragey? )

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
I mean, everyone who CAN find scum for good reasons should be assertive and confident about it - maybe then towns would be able to get shit done. I'm super glad to see that you're not in a hole about the quality of play here though, that shit was annoying.

What do you think about marv? I mean you said he's not doing as much as you'd hoped or expected or whatever...do you think that makes him scum? Or more likely to be scum? Or is it null to you?

Original Message From WaveofShadow:
I can't remember who brought it up (kush I think?) but as far as DrH goes my concerns are that even if he is town, how do I know that this isn't just another game where his D1 activity is through the roof and then he goes on to just not give a fuck? Do I take him at his word?
I'm waffling on announcing mayoral candidacy. The one thing holding me back is the fact that my D1 scumreads are usually garb but after 'A Quiet Game' postgame discussion I think it's time to be more assertive and confident (especially after some fun Voice mafia last night). At the very least I always have the threads assurance that I am town by D2 at the latest in like every game I've ever been in.

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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 13 2014 04:48 GMT
#1616
Here are the rest of my totally faked PM logs with VE.
These occur before the last set.


Original Message From VisceraEyes:
Well you should probably already know that it wouldn't matter even if you did tell them that

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Original Message From WaveofShadow:
I think I'm inclined to disagree simply based on knowing how I would respond to such a question. I'm sure you know what my stance on lurkers tends to be in most games, and as such I would probably offer a strong stance in determining who I felt would be good to eliminate early in the game. The only thing holding me back from going hardcore after lurkers (and taking BH's probable early bait with his kush-talk) is the presence of possible vigs (and now maybe a hatter) in this game. It's going to be their damn job to remove the chaff, and I hope I don't have to tell them that.



Original Message From VisceraEyes:
We'll find them. All of them. And we'll crush them together.

I think to deal with lurkers I'm going to try something new this game. When I'm in PM contact with people, I'm going to ask them what they think about random lurkers and see what kind of patterns arise. Most town-aligned players will, in my opinion, offer not much of an opinion based on lack of evidence one way or another, but most scum players, in my opinion, will state at least some preference and give some kind of bullshit justification IF there are lurker scum in the people I ask about.

It will be different than in the thread because conversations about specific people tend to be looser in PMs and I think the information will be more valuable. Agree/Disagree?
Original Message From WaveofShadow:
I'm wondering if either
a) Mocsta is salty from some voice mafia games we played earlier tonight where I crushed scum
b) He's just pulling some trolly shit.
Can't tell which.

I plan on giving yamato as fair a shot as anyone else in this game in terms of my vote. I don't necessarily think he'd lynch simply based on who he likes or dislikes.

Not worrying about people who haven't really announced intent to run yet.

I don't know DrH well enough though I'd probably give him a cursory townread for similar reasons to yours. I am inherently less trusting though, and much of what BH said in his DrH campaigning post about what not to think rings true with me. I'm not sure what exactly DrH is capable of but it is still early and I don't think he has a great deal to be accountable for just yet.

VE, my brother, I sincerely hope that I can trust you this game, and that as such our record will continue.

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
Mocsta is wierding me out - I hope he does something or says something useful soon.

I probably won't vote for yamato unless I like his reads and he looks like he has a chance of winning already. I'm sure he'll lynch someone he doesn't like and there's no guarantee that it would be a necessarily scummy person if he's town, and that's about the same as electing him if he's scum to me.

I'll consider BC if he runs. I won't vote for BH unless he's serious about lynching Kush and I think Kush is scum.

DocH is probably town to me. He's certainly going to a lot of effort to explain his motivations and stuff and if he's scum he'll have a lot to hold himself accountable to.

Original Message From WaveofShadow:
Jesus that yamatopost.
I have a much stronger townread on BH than DrH if it must be known.
And certainly no hard feelings; I haven't exactly announced myself as running for mayor and as such don't expect people to vote for me.

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
Nothing personal, but right now I feel better about DocH based on his posting, and his reads are generally decent enough.

Do you agree that BH is probably town based on his PM? Can you see scum BH doing something like that as scum? It's a feels read, but it's enough to make me want to curb discussion about what it makes BH in the thread if you know what I mean.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 13 2014 04:57 GMT
#1617
On January 13 2014 10:13 marvellosity wrote:
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On January 12 2014 22:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 12 2014 22:01 marvellosity wrote:
What are you talking about?

There's literally no point in spending a bunch of sentences shovelling shit on to someone only to end it with "but i don't think mafia would do this after all"

it's a totally pointless post which basically just says stuff for the sake of saying stuff because of how the conclusion ends up.

On December 10 2013 07:36 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh wait I can just click profile here. 15.


OK. Well, it's definitely possible that this is a "play" to get town credit. But then again, the more likely scenario is that you're town and trying to figure out the game. Your experience makes the former option more likely, but still less likely than the later option, I'd say.

Xatalos does this silly either.... or.... as mafia like this constantly.

A bunch of sentences? I count like one, where he simply states facts. One of the sentences is him asking suchdoge to come back so he can try to read him, and then the final one is offering his own opinion to the matter.

I see it unmistakeably with the proof of the second one, but are you completely certain he does not do this as town? To me it sounds like a thought process coming across. Yes it is a mafia thought process but one nonetheless---I know when I played scum I personally found it extremely easy to 'pretend' I was town and mimic my usual town thought processes.

Seriously though, what the fuck

This means it's a mafia thought process because he was playing mafia at the time he made it. I suppose I should have clarified/differentiated but whatever. What I was getting at was it is entirely possible and easy (at least for me) to mimic town thought processes as mafia.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 13 2014 20:41 GMT
#1827
Here you go ladies.
In this point I;m pretty sure that I'm being vigged and I'm ok with that honestly, scumlynch D1, scum down to 2 KP and marvmayor means we're in damn good shape.

Faked irc logs wooooooo
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[01:39] <VisceraEyes> Ohhello
[01:39] <WaveofShadow> ive completely forgotten how to use this shit
[01:39] <WaveofShadow> lol
[01:39] <VisceraEyes> You got the important bit I think.
[01:39] <WaveofShadow> lol
[01:40] <WaveofShadow> so dat slam vote
[01:40] <VisceraEyes> Indeed.
[01:40] <VisceraEyes> Maybe he just lookin for a hero
[01:41] <WaveofShadow> you can be his hero baby
[01:41] <WaveofShadow> you can kiss away his pain
[01:41] <VisceraEyes> Not trying to read Alak yet. I think more information would bring clarity with that guy.
[01:41] <WaveofShadow> i refuse to bother
[01:41] <WaveofShadow> i hop ehe gets vigged and done with
[01:42] <VisceraEyes> Ya.
[01:42] <VisceraEyes> So
[01:42] <WaveofShadow> and the worst part is if he isnt he'll sit till LYLO
[01:42] <VisceraEyes> You have bad reasons for being suspicious of Mocsta?
[01:42] <VisceraEyes> Let's hear them.
[01:42] <WaveofShadow> lol
[01:42] <WaveofShadow> well can i ask you one thing first?
[01:42] <WaveofShadow> what do you make of his very latest post?
[01:43] <VisceraEyes> Ehhhh
[01:43] <VisceraEyes> That's a good question
[01:44] <VisceraEyes> The one about Bum PM him?
[01:44] <WaveofShadow> oh
[01:44] <WaveofShadow> no the one before that
[01:45] <WaveofShadow> also are you talking to thrawn right now?
[01:45] <VisceraEyes> Yes about thrawn
[01:47] <WaveofShadow> what are your thoughts on him? I am considering attempting to initiate 3way conversation (is that even possible on irc?)
[01:47] <WaveofShadow> oh actually is that even allowed?
[01:47] <WaveofShadow> probably not...
[01:47] <VisceraEyes> Sure it's allowed as long as you assume it's really him or whatever. We can just make our own channel.
[01:48] <WaveofShadow> i know its him based on how he's talking to me
[01:49] <WaveofShadow> are you in for a sexy sexy 3 way then?
[01:50] <VisceraEyes> Sure
[01:50] <VisceraEyes> Um
[01:50] <WaveofShadow> um?
[01:50] <VisceraEyes> What channel name?
[01:50] <WaveofShadow> can we just create a channel?
[01:51] <VisceraEyes> /join #ANSWERDAPHONE
[01:51] <WaveofShadow> lol
[01:51] <@VisceraEyes> Have you talked to rayn at all?
[01:52] <WaveofShadow> no
[01:52] <WaveofShadow> im not sure if i plan to
[01:52] <@VisceraEyes> Why not?
[01:52] <WaveofShadow> thrawn says he wants to confirm if its ok with host first
[01:52] <WaveofShadow> uh because i dont think id be able to tell if I was being manipulated
[01:53] <WaveofShadow> and i rarely trust rayn
[01:53] <WaveofShadow> as is
[01:56] <WaveofShadow> so regarding mocsta
[01:56] <WaveofShadow> you still around?
[02:01] <@VisceraEyes> Yes
[02:01] <@VisceraEyes> Sorry was filtering Mocsta
[02:02] <WaveofShadow> how did it go
[02:04] <@VisceraEyes> Most of it is god awful
[02:04] <WaveofShadow> yup
[02:04] <@VisceraEyes> Like he says a lot of things
[02:04] <@VisceraEyes> But I never know what he's being serious about and what he's just being a pompous jerk about
[02:05] <WaveofShadow> he was trolling hardcore literally until he said /trolling
[02:05] <WaveofShadow> for example
[02:05] <WaveofShadow> the post where he said he can tell someone's alignment based on voice inflection?
[02:05] <WaveofShadow> he was making fun of me because I said that yesterday in voice mafia
[02:05] <WaveofShadow> when i fucking CRUSHED his scumteam
[02:05] <@VisceraEyes> Ugh
[02:06] <@VisceraEyes> Who is he suspicious of?
[02:06] <WaveofShadow> mocsta? fuck if I know
[02:07] <@VisceraEyes> suchdoge
[02:07] <@VisceraEyes> Which
[02:07] <WaveofShadow> i was willing to bet he was demoralized scum until he stopped trolling
[02:07] <WaveofShadow> im referring to mocsta
[02:07] <@VisceraEyes> And why?
[02:07] <@VisceraEyes> But demoralized how
[02:07] <WaveofShadow> he played like ass in Really Small
[02:07] <WaveofShadow> was just lynched
[02:08] <@VisceraEyes> Oh
[02:08] <@VisceraEyes> As scum?
[02:08] <WaveofShadow> he played like ass in this game and that one at the same time basically
[02:08] <@VisceraEyes> Was he scum in Really Small?
[02:08] <WaveofShadow> and I think he may have been posting a little angry from voice yesterday
[02:08] <WaveofShadow> yes
[02:08] <WaveofShadow> so that's my really bad reason
[02:08] <@VisceraEyes> That's not really bad
[02:08] <@VisceraEyes> It's meta
[02:08] <@VisceraEyes> But it's not really bad
[02:09] <WaveofShadow> im bad at meta
[02:09] <@VisceraEyes> Just not admissible without corroborating thread evidence
[02:09] <WaveofShadow> it seems weird to consider voice mafia results in determining this game's alignment as well
[02:09] <WaveofShadow> just too nebulous
[02:09] <WaveofShadow> bordering on gutread status
[02:09] <@VisceraEyes> Yeah
[02:09] <@VisceraEyes> But
[02:09] <@VisceraEyes> He's playing like ass this game
[02:09] <WaveofShadow> he is
[02:09] <@VisceraEyes> So like what do you do?
[02:09] <WaveofShadow> i REALLY want to know wtf that 2nd last post of his was though]
[02:09] <@VisceraEyes> Well
[02:10] <WaveofShadow> i can ask yamato actually
[02:10] <WaveofShadow> brb a sec
[02:14] <WaveofShadow> k back
[02:14] <@VisceraEyes> I mean, he seems to be browbeating Aquanim for defending Derrida before Derrida can defend himself...but the thing is, what's the point? Does he think Aqua is suspicious for it? Does he agree that Derr is scummy? Why is he white-knighting the Derrida suspicion?
[02:14] <WaveofShadow> dont know. i dont get what mocsta's doing in this game
[02:14] <WaveofShadow> i also don't like how many people are just assuming rayn.marv are town btw
[02:14] <WaveofShadow> rayn/marv*
[02:15] <@VisceraEyes> I'm suspicious of both of them
[02:15] <@VisceraEyes> So I agree with you there.
[02:15] <@VisceraEyes> marv is being weird in PMs.
[02:15] <WaveofShadow> so i have heard
[02:15] <@VisceraEyes> Well, consider it confirmed by me.
[02:15] <WaveofShadow> haha
[02:15] <WaveofShadow> see now im not sure of what to do
[02:16] <@VisceraEyes> What do you mean?
[02:16] <@VisceraEyes> Whether to run for mayor or not?
[02:16] <WaveofShadow> knowing that me you and thrawn are more or less on the same page as stuff (except for maybe voting yamato)
[02:16] <WaveofShadow> yeah
[02:16] <WaveofShadow> about stuff i mean
[02:16] <@VisceraEyes> I could maybe vote Yamato, but he really wants to lynch BH and it's because he doesn't like playing with BH, not because he thinks BH is scum.
[02:16] <WaveofShadow> like...what do you really think he is going to do?
[02:17] <WaveofShadow> he cant lych BH now
[02:17] <@VisceraEyes> Well outside of that it's hard saying what he'll do - BH is the only person he's been super vocal about wanting dead.
[02:17] <WaveofShadow> really? hmm. I may have to talk to him about that as well.
[02:19] <WaveofShadow> ugh
[02:19] <WaveofShadow> look he posted
[02:22] <@VisceraEyes> Oh look, now he's magically suspicious of me.
[02:22] <@VisceraEyes> Why? Because I said one thing he didn't like
[02:22] <@VisceraEyes> SURPRISE!!!
[02:23] <WaveofShadow> lol
[02:24] <WaveofShadow> I appealed to him in public rather than through PMs because Im hoping to garner some reaction from a few specific people
[02:24] <WaveofShadow> i believe my post is controversial enough
[02:26] <WaveofShadow> coags prob town...agree/disagree?
[02:26] <WaveofShadow> also what of kush cause i wont try to read that guy either
@VisceraEyesWav
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Couple random things for when I die---got a bunch of PMs from people asking to talk---appreciate it but I doubt that will be happening before deadline. The PM I got from Koshi was literally just him calling me scum and nothing else---I assume it's meant to taunt me, cause me to rage and shitstorm in thread so watch out for him imo. Also important to remember Koshi isn't bad and I can't remember anything memorable he has done this game aside from throw suspicion on me.

Subject was simple 'Hi scum WoS'
So,

Why so scummy?


Just in case yall don't believe me, after I die you will.

As I've said to others I am completely confident in my ability to fight a lynch (on in this case vig) but I'm completely demotivated and don't feel like railing against it in my usual way. Too much effort, and I have way too much going on atm.

GL ladies.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 13 2014 20:41 GMT
#1828
Hmmm I think there was more after that but I forgot to save it. Oh well.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 14 2014 00:10 GMT
#1894
If the night is truly extended I may get to post a little before I die.
Be back soon.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 14 2014 00:33 GMT
#1935
Ah, the joys of hosting games on TL.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 01:45:43
January 14 2014 01:45 GMT
#2129
On January 14 2014 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not that, the WoS thing was so crap.

You call me scum every game and every game you're wrong.
I had a lot going on over the past few days---a few people know about it but I didn't want to make excuses for myself in thread.
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