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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2013 18:31 GMT
#1821
On December 14 2013 03:22 LSB wrote:
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On December 14 2013 03:21 Xatalos wrote:
On December 14 2013 03:13 LSB wrote:
First off, why are we still discussing Corazon at this point? Until someone countercalims vig he is confirmed town.

I won't be on later tonight, but I will be on right now. But can people stop blaming me for not going after bad lynches? There is a reason why I don't want to lynch Corazon, VA (and to some degree spag).


Your lynch of preference is sidesprang? Why is he the top #1 scummy player atm? You never even really pushed his lynch.

I thought you read my filter


This is all all about sidesprang....

On December 10 2013 13:35 LSB wrote:
General comments:

purpletrator is being incredibly defensive and showing off as paranoid to me
xatalos has been powerplaying quite hard day 1, and typically lynches of major town voices go badly day 1.

Push Post
Personally I think the most important post so far is this
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On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:
On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.


--------

About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.

He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".

And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.


I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.


-------

@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.




I really really do not like this post as an entry post:

A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora.
B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet?
C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything.


Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you?

I've already mentioned how I felt the initial read of Cora was incredibly forced. This can easily attributed to Holyflare's overeagerness.

What is important to keep an eye out are the bandwagoners. Or the "bait and switch" approach. Make a flimsy case, wait for someone to quickly jump on your plan, and finger the bandwagoner as mafia. The logic behind this is that very few townies would be willing to push a bad lynch, but a mafia would be willing to push many lynches on greenies regarless of the contents of the lynches.

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On December 10 2013 11:13 sidesprang wrote:
On December 10 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:
On December 10 2013 09:42 sidesprang wrote:
Ok, so a lot of things going on. I agree we should not let lurkers stay silent, and should poke anyone that stays silent for to long. But there is a lot of value in not spamming down the thread if you are town, that will only make the scummy post harder to see. I'm mainly looking at you Xatalos, as you are on your third page in filter with like half of the post being oneliners. Even if town you will be detrimental to the town if you keep this up! There are others aswell, just used you as an example.


--------

About Cora there are a few things I did not like and caught my eye. His opening post is not good, and if he's mafia hes basically just buying himself an excuse to lurk for day 1 and then come out day 2 and bring chaos onto the town.

He also deflected a lot in his defence and basically just said "look at X he's scummier than me".

And lastly he asked for people to vote for him if they found him scummy, which is very Anti-Town.


I do not feel cora is mafia yet at least, but definetly worth to look at.


-------

@Kish, can anyone that have played with him earlier say something about how he plays. He is deffo playing the most anti town atm, but he's also doing it on purpose which is frustrating.




I really really do not like this post as an entry post:

A) Sheeps everthing I have mentioned on Cora.
B) Uses a big chunk of his entry post saying why cora is displaying mafia associated traits but won't vote him yet?
C) Mentions Xatalos in a completely non-inquisitive manner, no justification on a read based on Xan's posts or anything.


Sidesprang, what do you think of Xatalos so far? He has been pressured quite hard this game, were his responses more town alignment indicative to you?



A) I might be blind but I dont see you mention everything I mentioned, but if I still find it scummy would I not be allowed to say it ?

B) I don't see a reason for voting anyone yet, he is deffo looking scummy but It's still early in D1.

C) The point about Xatalos was a plea to the Town that people should rather focus on more quality over quantity when posting. Can I not do that in a non-inquisitive manner? I said I just used him as an example.


About Xatalos, I deffo dont like his opening. He goes after Cora and Kush which I think its fine, but also goes after Slam and Spag which had barely spoken and had not said anything scummy. So Artanis evaluation of him fits nicely, tho I wont say he is mafia because of it. He might just do it to start discussion, as he says he likes all the action happning here. I dont and will keep an eye on him.

And his defence was kinda just meta, "saying that is how he plays", and I dont know the guy. Might be true might not be. I dont like meta defences and its another thing that will make me keep an eye on him.

Indeed he continues his bandwagony attitude. Although there have only been two posts from him, bait and switch has a 100% success rate (n = 1), and I might as well go with it. I am seriously concerned about his willingness to support lynches without contributing much personal insights.

##unvote
##Vote; sidesprang


On December 11 2013 12:04 LSB wrote:
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On December 11 2013 12:02 bumatlarge wrote:
The sidesprang case is the bait and switch one right? He isn't too active, which is usually what you do if someone accuses you and they are right. He doesn't have alot to go on.

LETS GET THIS WAGON GOING GAIS

##unvote
##Vote: Sidesprang


On December 13 2013 06:21 LSB wrote:
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On December 13 2013 06:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 13 2013 06:19 LSB wrote:
Can the vig claim?

Can you read?

Oh I see
Well that solves the Corazon issue.
##Vote: Sidesprang


You only mention the "bait and switch" at the start of the game and nothing after that....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 13 2013 18:35 GMT
#1822
Your point is?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2013 18:37 GMT
#1823
On December 14 2013 03:35 LSB wrote:
Your point is?


You really just keep tunneling sidesprang for that one suspicious move at the very start of the game?

Don't you have anything to add about him? Or why don't you even TRY convincing anyone that he should be lynched?

Maybe you're just scum and you don't really care.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2013 18:38 GMT
#1824
Yeah, that has to be it. I can't comprehend LSB playing like this as town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 13 2013 18:39 GMT
#1825
On December 14 2013 03:38 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, that has to be it. I can't comprehend LSB playing like this as town.

LSB just played a PYP game where he had literally no reads and all he talked about was mass claim until he got lynched. He was town, so what he has done in this game is 100x more than his 10 page filter in PYP.
table for two on a tv tray
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 13 2013 18:39 GMT
#1826
On December 14 2013 03:38 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, that has to be it. I can't comprehend LSB playing like this as town.

looks like a bus
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2013 18:41 GMT
#1827
On December 14 2013 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 03:38 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, that has to be it. I can't comprehend LSB playing like this as town.

LSB just played a PYP game where he had literally no reads and all he talked about was mass claim until he got lynched. He was town, so what he has done in this game is 100x more than his 10 page filter in PYP.


...... Why does he even bother playing if he doesn't care at all?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 13 2013 18:42 GMT
#1828
On December 14 2013 03:41 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 14 2013 03:38 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, that has to be it. I can't comprehend LSB playing like this as town.

LSB just played a PYP game where he had literally no reads and all he talked about was mass claim until he got lynched. He was town, so what he has done in this game is 100x more than his 10 page filter in PYP.


...... Why does he even bother playing if he doesn't care at all?

I mean, he had reads, but he never explained any of them. He was even right on some flipped scummers but he never really explained anything he did.
table for two on a tv tray
purpletrator
Profile Joined September 2013
Vanuatu64 Posts
December 13 2013 18:44 GMT
#1829
Hey rayn.

Plutarch confirmed town.

Now what?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2013 18:44 GMT
#1830
On December 14 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 03:41 Xatalos wrote:
On December 14 2013 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 14 2013 03:38 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, that has to be it. I can't comprehend LSB playing like this as town.

LSB just played a PYP game where he had literally no reads and all he talked about was mass claim until he got lynched. He was town, so what he has done in this game is 100x more than his 10 page filter in PYP.


...... Why does he even bother playing if he doesn't care at all?

I mean, he had reads, but he never explained any of them. He was even right on some flipped scummers but he never really explained anything he did.


That seems like an ideal meta for scum play though. If he plays so scummy as town, he can just play his town meta as scum and be good to go.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2013 18:48 GMT
#1831
On December 14 2013 03:39 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 03:38 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, that has to be it. I can't comprehend LSB playing like this as town.

looks like a bus


So you really think I'm scum? Out of all the people?

Could you finally explain your shady Spag vote?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 13 2013 18:48 GMT
#1832
##Pushpost

Why you should vote purpletrator
Purpletrator really only has two important posts in his filter that means something. One is on me, the other is on Corazon.

1) Winner of the most rediculous reaction award.
On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:
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On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Worst post in thread.
##Vote: purpletrator

Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?

You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"?
To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy.
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:
Missed this post

On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Ya, sure. Reveal please!

It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch.

##Vote: LSB

In response to some spam purpletraitor suddenly pulls out a full blow case and goes all defensive. Someone is quite edgy and quick to try to convince everyone that he is town. Paranoia is a good indicator of mafia alignment to me

2) Corazon Lynch
This is probably the most arbitrary vote I have seen for quite a while.
On December 12 2013 03:03 purpletrator wrote:
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On December 12 2013 03:00 Corazon wrote:
To whomever asked: yes I have notes until page 21. I've been too busy to take notes since then. I will probably pick up with the notes starting D2. Do you want to see them? There are only 3 or so major points in them. One on Spag, one on purple, and one on Vayne

It was me, and it was because you'd mentioned it then said you'd make a case on Xata:
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On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote:
I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case.

I find it incredibly odd that Xata isnt in your notes

On December 12 2013 03:16 purpletrator wrote:
Vote: Corazon
This notes debacle is alarming

He votes Corazon because he didn't take notes on Xata? I want you to take a step back and think about how ridiculous this is. Not only was there no mention about not taking notes on Xata, in addition if you were taking notes of the first few pages it would be impossible to ignore Xata.

This seems like a standardard bandwagon vote although not as explicitly bandwagony as
On December 12 2013 05:39 purpletrator wrote:
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On December 12 2013 03:50 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:48 Plutarch wrote:
can you two drop it please. I could lynch Spag or cora. Cora saying he has notes he could post and then not posting them bothers me.

This is where I'm at right now.

Heavily swayed by
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On December 12 2013 03:39 Plutarch wrote:
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.

I was hoping some of those who had not commented yet on spag would step up in my absence, but that hasn't really happened.

I still think Spag is going to flip scum. And I am surprised that rayn unvoted to be honest.

When someone does nothing and does not even try to look for scum despite being active that person is likely to be scum. Even though spag says he always starts slow his previous two town games provide direct counter examples to this.

Then when up against it for the lynch he does not provide reads aside from calling kush town. I don't know about you guys but if I was getting lynched as town then I would be desperate to provide as much information to the thread as possible to work off after I flip.

Did this happen? no. He in fact provided zero info to the thread and then left as soon as thread sentiment changed.

Spag is Scum.

Please lynch spag.


purpletrator demonstrates he is willing to lynch someone who is under heavy suspicion for little or no foresight. Compare this to his analysis here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388&currentpage=57#1132 Purpletrator is not incapable of making good analysis.

##VOTE: purpletrator
BONUS: Something funny from the other smurf
On December 10 2013 06:19 Plutarch wrote:
I appreciate a refresher in the reasoning behind policy lynching lurkers corazon, but that doesn't really add anything valuable to the conversation that anyone here wouldn't know already does it?

For the record, I always prefer lynching scum to lynching coin-flips, thus I will be hard on people who get in my way when I try to do so.

And then suddenly a few posts later
On December 10 2013 13:24 Plutarch wrote:
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On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:
@Plutarch:

Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting.

Case in point:
On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Worst post in thread.
##Vote: purpletrator

Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?


By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum.

What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum?

Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him.


I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes.

If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point.

I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all.

I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel
the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out?

Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive"


Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post?

##vote: corazon

I expect better from you.

LOL. Oh well, values were nice but once I am pissed lets throw them away

PS: If you go after sidesprang I'd be willing to bandwagon
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 13 2013 18:49 GMT
#1833
On December 14 2013 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 03:38 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah, that has to be it. I can't comprehend LSB playing like this as town.

LSB just played a PYP game where he had literally no reads and all he talked about was mass claim until he got lynched. He was town, so what he has done in this game is 100x more than his 10 page filter in PYP.

If JB flips scum I want you to post "LSB just played a PYP game where he literally fingered da mafia and until he got lynched by da mafia"
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2013 18:50 GMT
#1834
On December 14 2013 03:48 LSB wrote:
##Pushpost

Why you should vote purpletrator
Purpletrator really only has two important posts in his filter that means something. One is on me, the other is on Corazon.

1) Winner of the most rediculous reaction award.
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Worst post in thread.
##Vote: purpletrator

Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?

You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"?
To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy.
On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:
Missed this post

On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Ya, sure. Reveal please!

It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch.

##Vote: LSB

In response to some spam purpletraitor suddenly pulls out a full blow case and goes all defensive. Someone is quite edgy and quick to try to convince everyone that he is town. Paranoia is a good indicator of mafia alignment to me

2) Corazon Lynch
This is probably the most arbitrary vote I have seen for quite a while.
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 03:03 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:00 Corazon wrote:
To whomever asked: yes I have notes until page 21. I've been too busy to take notes since then. I will probably pick up with the notes starting D2. Do you want to see them? There are only 3 or so major points in them. One on Spag, one on purple, and one on Vayne

It was me, and it was because you'd mentioned it then said you'd make a case on Xata:
On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote:
I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case.

I find it incredibly odd that Xata isnt in your notes

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On December 12 2013 03:16 purpletrator wrote:
Vote: Corazon
This notes debacle is alarming

He votes Corazon because he didn't take notes on Xata? I want you to take a step back and think about how ridiculous this is. Not only was there no mention about not taking notes on Xata, in addition if you were taking notes of the first few pages it would be impossible to ignore Xata.

This seems like a standardard bandwagon vote although not as explicitly bandwagony as
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On December 12 2013 05:39 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:50 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:48 Plutarch wrote:
can you two drop it please. I could lynch Spag or cora. Cora saying he has notes he could post and then not posting them bothers me.

This is where I'm at right now.

Heavily swayed by
On December 12 2013 03:39 Plutarch wrote:
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.

I was hoping some of those who had not commented yet on spag would step up in my absence, but that hasn't really happened.

I still think Spag is going to flip scum. And I am surprised that rayn unvoted to be honest.

When someone does nothing and does not even try to look for scum despite being active that person is likely to be scum. Even though spag says he always starts slow his previous two town games provide direct counter examples to this.

Then when up against it for the lynch he does not provide reads aside from calling kush town. I don't know about you guys but if I was getting lynched as town then I would be desperate to provide as much information to the thread as possible to work off after I flip.

Did this happen? no. He in fact provided zero info to the thread and then left as soon as thread sentiment changed.

Spag is Scum.

Please lynch spag.


purpletrator demonstrates he is willing to lynch someone who is under heavy suspicion for little or no foresight. Compare this to his analysis here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388&currentpage=57#1132 Purpletrator is not incapable of making good analysis.

##VOTE: purpletrator
BONUS: Something funny from the other smurf
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On December 10 2013 06:19 Plutarch wrote:
I appreciate a refresher in the reasoning behind policy lynching lurkers corazon, but that doesn't really add anything valuable to the conversation that anyone here wouldn't know already does it?

For the record, I always prefer lynching scum to lynching coin-flips, thus I will be hard on people who get in my way when I try to do so.

And then suddenly a few posts later
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On December 10 2013 13:24 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:
@Plutarch:

Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting.

Case in point:
On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
[quote]
You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Worst post in thread.
##Vote: purpletrator

Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?


By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum.

What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum?

Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him.


I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes.

If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point.

I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all.

I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel
the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out?

Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive"


Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post?

##vote: corazon

I expect better from you.

LOL. Oh well, values were nice but once I am pissed lets throw them away

PS: If you go after sidesprang I'd be willing to bandwagon


Why have you been voting sidesprang all game if purple is your top scumread?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 13 2013 18:51 GMT
#1835
On December 14 2013 03:50 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 03:48 LSB wrote:
##Pushpost

Why you should vote purpletrator
Purpletrator really only has two important posts in his filter that means something. One is on me, the other is on Corazon.

1) Winner of the most rediculous reaction award.
On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Worst post in thread.
##Vote: purpletrator

Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?

You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"?
To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy.
On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:
Missed this post

On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Ya, sure. Reveal please!

It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch.

##Vote: LSB

In response to some spam purpletraitor suddenly pulls out a full blow case and goes all defensive. Someone is quite edgy and quick to try to convince everyone that he is town. Paranoia is a good indicator of mafia alignment to me

2) Corazon Lynch
This is probably the most arbitrary vote I have seen for quite a while.
On December 12 2013 03:03 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:00 Corazon wrote:
To whomever asked: yes I have notes until page 21. I've been too busy to take notes since then. I will probably pick up with the notes starting D2. Do you want to see them? There are only 3 or so major points in them. One on Spag, one on purple, and one on Vayne

It was me, and it was because you'd mentioned it then said you'd make a case on Xata:
On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote:
I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case.

I find it incredibly odd that Xata isnt in your notes

On December 12 2013 03:16 purpletrator wrote:
Vote: Corazon
This notes debacle is alarming

He votes Corazon because he didn't take notes on Xata? I want you to take a step back and think about how ridiculous this is. Not only was there no mention about not taking notes on Xata, in addition if you were taking notes of the first few pages it would be impossible to ignore Xata.

This seems like a standardard bandwagon vote although not as explicitly bandwagony as
On December 12 2013 05:39 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:50 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:48 Plutarch wrote:
can you two drop it please. I could lynch Spag or cora. Cora saying he has notes he could post and then not posting them bothers me.

This is where I'm at right now.

Heavily swayed by
On December 12 2013 03:39 Plutarch wrote:
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.

I was hoping some of those who had not commented yet on spag would step up in my absence, but that hasn't really happened.

I still think Spag is going to flip scum. And I am surprised that rayn unvoted to be honest.

When someone does nothing and does not even try to look for scum despite being active that person is likely to be scum. Even though spag says he always starts slow his previous two town games provide direct counter examples to this.

Then when up against it for the lynch he does not provide reads aside from calling kush town. I don't know about you guys but if I was getting lynched as town then I would be desperate to provide as much information to the thread as possible to work off after I flip.

Did this happen? no. He in fact provided zero info to the thread and then left as soon as thread sentiment changed.

Spag is Scum.

Please lynch spag.


purpletrator demonstrates he is willing to lynch someone who is under heavy suspicion for little or no foresight. Compare this to his analysis here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388&currentpage=57#1132 Purpletrator is not incapable of making good analysis.

##VOTE: purpletrator
BONUS: Something funny from the other smurf
On December 10 2013 06:19 Plutarch wrote:
I appreciate a refresher in the reasoning behind policy lynching lurkers corazon, but that doesn't really add anything valuable to the conversation that anyone here wouldn't know already does it?

For the record, I always prefer lynching scum to lynching coin-flips, thus I will be hard on people who get in my way when I try to do so.

And then suddenly a few posts later
On December 10 2013 13:24 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:
@Plutarch:

Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting.

Case in point:
On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[quote]
Worst post in thread.
##Vote: purpletrator

Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?


By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum.

What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum?

Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him.


I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes.

If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point.

I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all.

I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel
the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out?

Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive"


Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post?

##vote: corazon

I expect better from you.

LOL. Oh well, values were nice but once I am pissed lets throw them away

PS: If you go after sidesprang I'd be willing to bandwagon


Why have you been voting sidesprang all game if purple is your top scumread?

WTF is this bullshit about "Top scumreads"?

There are people I think are scum, and there are people I think are town. And there are people I don't know.

I vote for scum and I don't vote for town
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 13 2013 18:53 GMT
#1836
I can't tell if you think you are contributing to the town by asking pointless questions. Or if you don't have a case on me and want to ask questions until you find a "slip" and suddenly make a case off of that
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 13 2013 18:53 GMT
#1837
On December 14 2013 03:37 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 03:35 LSB wrote:
Your point is?


You really just keep tunneling sidesprang for that one suspicious move at the very start of the game?

Don't you have anything to add about him? Or why don't you even TRY convincing anyone that he should be lynched?

Maybe you're just scum and you don't really care.
Sidesprigs has 2 posts in the last 3 days. What exactly would you like him to talk about? Like his "suspicious move at the very start of the game" is all he's done this game.
purpletrator
Profile Joined September 2013
Vanuatu64 Posts
December 13 2013 18:53 GMT
#1838
On December 14 2013 03:51 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 03:50 Xatalos wrote:
On December 14 2013 03:48 LSB wrote:
##Pushpost

Why you should vote purpletrator
Purpletrator really only has two important posts in his filter that means something. One is on me, the other is on Corazon.

1) Winner of the most rediculous reaction award.
On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Worst post in thread.
##Vote: purpletrator

Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?

You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"?
To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy.
On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:
Missed this post

On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Ya, sure. Reveal please!

It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch.

##Vote: LSB

In response to some spam purpletraitor suddenly pulls out a full blow case and goes all defensive. Someone is quite edgy and quick to try to convince everyone that he is town. Paranoia is a good indicator of mafia alignment to me

2) Corazon Lynch
This is probably the most arbitrary vote I have seen for quite a while.
On December 12 2013 03:03 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:00 Corazon wrote:
To whomever asked: yes I have notes until page 21. I've been too busy to take notes since then. I will probably pick up with the notes starting D2. Do you want to see them? There are only 3 or so major points in them. One on Spag, one on purple, and one on Vayne

It was me, and it was because you'd mentioned it then said you'd make a case on Xata:
On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote:
I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case.

I find it incredibly odd that Xata isnt in your notes

On December 12 2013 03:16 purpletrator wrote:
Vote: Corazon
This notes debacle is alarming

He votes Corazon because he didn't take notes on Xata? I want you to take a step back and think about how ridiculous this is. Not only was there no mention about not taking notes on Xata, in addition if you were taking notes of the first few pages it would be impossible to ignore Xata.

This seems like a standardard bandwagon vote although not as explicitly bandwagony as
On December 12 2013 05:39 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:50 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:48 Plutarch wrote:
can you two drop it please. I could lynch Spag or cora. Cora saying he has notes he could post and then not posting them bothers me.

This is where I'm at right now.

Heavily swayed by
On December 12 2013 03:39 Plutarch wrote:
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.

I was hoping some of those who had not commented yet on spag would step up in my absence, but that hasn't really happened.

I still think Spag is going to flip scum. And I am surprised that rayn unvoted to be honest.

When someone does nothing and does not even try to look for scum despite being active that person is likely to be scum. Even though spag says he always starts slow his previous two town games provide direct counter examples to this.

Then when up against it for the lynch he does not provide reads aside from calling kush town. I don't know about you guys but if I was getting lynched as town then I would be desperate to provide as much information to the thread as possible to work off after I flip.

Did this happen? no. He in fact provided zero info to the thread and then left as soon as thread sentiment changed.

Spag is Scum.

Please lynch spag.


purpletrator demonstrates he is willing to lynch someone who is under heavy suspicion for little or no foresight. Compare this to his analysis here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388&currentpage=57#1132 Purpletrator is not incapable of making good analysis.

##VOTE: purpletrator
BONUS: Something funny from the other smurf
On December 10 2013 06:19 Plutarch wrote:
I appreciate a refresher in the reasoning behind policy lynching lurkers corazon, but that doesn't really add anything valuable to the conversation that anyone here wouldn't know already does it?

For the record, I always prefer lynching scum to lynching coin-flips, thus I will be hard on people who get in my way when I try to do so.

And then suddenly a few posts later
On December 10 2013 13:24 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:
@Plutarch:

Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting.

Case in point:
On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
[quote]
Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?


By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum.

What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum?

Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him.


I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes.

If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point.

I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all.

I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel
the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out?

Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive"


Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post?

##vote: corazon

I expect better from you.

LOL. Oh well, values were nice but once I am pissed lets throw them away

PS: If you go after sidesprang I'd be willing to bandwagon


Why have you been voting sidesprang all game if purple is your top scumread?

WTF is this bullshit about "Top scumreads"?

There are people I think are scum, and there are people I think are town. And there are people I don't know.

I vote for scum and I don't vote for town

We are in disagreement. Since I am bored, tell me if you think Holyflares final post confirms Plutarch as town?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2013 18:54 GMT
#1839
On December 14 2013 03:51 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 03:50 Xatalos wrote:
On December 14 2013 03:48 LSB wrote:
##Pushpost

Why you should vote purpletrator
Purpletrator really only has two important posts in his filter that means something. One is on me, the other is on Corazon.

1) Winner of the most rediculous reaction award.
On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Worst post in thread.
##Vote: purpletrator

Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?

You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"?
To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy.
On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:
Missed this post

On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Ya, sure. Reveal please!

It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch.

##Vote: LSB

In response to some spam purpletraitor suddenly pulls out a full blow case and goes all defensive. Someone is quite edgy and quick to try to convince everyone that he is town. Paranoia is a good indicator of mafia alignment to me

2) Corazon Lynch
This is probably the most arbitrary vote I have seen for quite a while.
On December 12 2013 03:03 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:00 Corazon wrote:
To whomever asked: yes I have notes until page 21. I've been too busy to take notes since then. I will probably pick up with the notes starting D2. Do you want to see them? There are only 3 or so major points in them. One on Spag, one on purple, and one on Vayne

It was me, and it was because you'd mentioned it then said you'd make a case on Xata:
On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote:
I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case.

I find it incredibly odd that Xata isnt in your notes

On December 12 2013 03:16 purpletrator wrote:
Vote: Corazon
This notes debacle is alarming

He votes Corazon because he didn't take notes on Xata? I want you to take a step back and think about how ridiculous this is. Not only was there no mention about not taking notes on Xata, in addition if you were taking notes of the first few pages it would be impossible to ignore Xata.

This seems like a standardard bandwagon vote although not as explicitly bandwagony as
On December 12 2013 05:39 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:50 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:48 Plutarch wrote:
can you two drop it please. I could lynch Spag or cora. Cora saying he has notes he could post and then not posting them bothers me.

This is where I'm at right now.

Heavily swayed by
On December 12 2013 03:39 Plutarch wrote:
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.

I was hoping some of those who had not commented yet on spag would step up in my absence, but that hasn't really happened.

I still think Spag is going to flip scum. And I am surprised that rayn unvoted to be honest.

When someone does nothing and does not even try to look for scum despite being active that person is likely to be scum. Even though spag says he always starts slow his previous two town games provide direct counter examples to this.

Then when up against it for the lynch he does not provide reads aside from calling kush town. I don't know about you guys but if I was getting lynched as town then I would be desperate to provide as much information to the thread as possible to work off after I flip.

Did this happen? no. He in fact provided zero info to the thread and then left as soon as thread sentiment changed.

Spag is Scum.

Please lynch spag.


purpletrator demonstrates he is willing to lynch someone who is under heavy suspicion for little or no foresight. Compare this to his analysis here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388&currentpage=57#1132 Purpletrator is not incapable of making good analysis.

##VOTE: purpletrator
BONUS: Something funny from the other smurf
On December 10 2013 06:19 Plutarch wrote:
I appreciate a refresher in the reasoning behind policy lynching lurkers corazon, but that doesn't really add anything valuable to the conversation that anyone here wouldn't know already does it?

For the record, I always prefer lynching scum to lynching coin-flips, thus I will be hard on people who get in my way when I try to do so.

And then suddenly a few posts later
On December 10 2013 13:24 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:
@Plutarch:

Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting.

Case in point:
On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
[quote]
Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?


By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum.

What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum?

Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him.


I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes.

If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point.

I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all.

I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel
the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out?

Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive"


Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post?

##vote: corazon

I expect better from you.

LOL. Oh well, values were nice but once I am pissed lets throw them away

PS: If you go after sidesprang I'd be willing to bandwagon


Why have you been voting sidesprang all game if purple is your top scumread?

WTF is this bullshit about "Top scumreads"?

There are people I think are scum, and there are people I think are town. And there are people I don't know.

I vote for scum and I don't vote for town


That's a good pushpost by the way. purple has been overly defensive and hasn't brought any actually useful insight into the game.

I'm actually considering lynching purple instead of Artanis.
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December 13 2013 18:55 GMT
#1840
On December 14 2013 03:53 purpletrator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 03:51 LSB wrote:
On December 14 2013 03:50 Xatalos wrote:
On December 14 2013 03:48 LSB wrote:
##Pushpost

Why you should vote purpletrator
Purpletrator really only has two important posts in his filter that means something. One is on me, the other is on Corazon.

1) Winner of the most rediculous reaction award.
On December 10 2013 07:33 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:18 Alakaslam wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Worst post in thread.
##Vote: purpletrator

Kusplain?

Hello sir, I promise not to get mad at you this game

If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?

You mean to tell me you have no concern over the erroneous logic LSB used to vote me? You honestly think my response is worse than "smurfs=mafia"?
To actually answer your question, I'm wondering why LSB is wasting my time and wanted to see if he's actually trying to get a response or just trolling. When he ignored my response I chalked it up to 'just trolling'. Then you called me out, he noticed my response and now wants to fish for my identity. Now it looks scummy.
On December 10 2013 07:18 LSB wrote:
Missed this post

On December 10 2013 06:44 purpletrator wrote:
On December 10 2013 06:43 LSB wrote:
##Vote: purpletrator
Scum are mafia pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs are players pretending to be someone else.
Smurfs = Mafia.
Flawless mafia. Lynch all Smurfs

You could at least start in alphabetical order. What if I reveal my identity? Would you change your vote to a different smurf?

Ya, sure. Reveal please!

It was a hypothetical. I'm not revealing my identity. Good to know you dont give a shit about the lynch.

##Vote: LSB

In response to some spam purpletraitor suddenly pulls out a full blow case and goes all defensive. Someone is quite edgy and quick to try to convince everyone that he is town. Paranoia is a good indicator of mafia alignment to me

2) Corazon Lynch
This is probably the most arbitrary vote I have seen for quite a while.
On December 12 2013 03:03 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:00 Corazon wrote:
To whomever asked: yes I have notes until page 21. I've been too busy to take notes since then. I will probably pick up with the notes starting D2. Do you want to see them? There are only 3 or so major points in them. One on Spag, one on purple, and one on Vayne

It was me, and it was because you'd mentioned it then said you'd make a case on Xata:
On December 10 2013 09:55 Corazon wrote:
I caught up to the thread and took notes. I must go for an hour and then I will be back with Xatalos case.

I find it incredibly odd that Xata isnt in your notes

On December 12 2013 03:16 purpletrator wrote:
Vote: Corazon
This notes debacle is alarming

He votes Corazon because he didn't take notes on Xata? I want you to take a step back and think about how ridiculous this is. Not only was there no mention about not taking notes on Xata, in addition if you were taking notes of the first few pages it would be impossible to ignore Xata.

This seems like a standardard bandwagon vote although not as explicitly bandwagony as
On December 12 2013 05:39 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:50 purpletrator wrote:
On December 12 2013 03:48 Plutarch wrote:
can you two drop it please. I could lynch Spag or cora. Cora saying he has notes he could post and then not posting them bothers me.

This is where I'm at right now.

Heavily swayed by
On December 12 2013 03:39 Plutarch wrote:
I don't think Vsynr contradicting himself like that means he has to be scum. I think it is a null tell.

I was hoping some of those who had not commented yet on spag would step up in my absence, but that hasn't really happened.

I still think Spag is going to flip scum. And I am surprised that rayn unvoted to be honest.

When someone does nothing and does not even try to look for scum despite being active that person is likely to be scum. Even though spag says he always starts slow his previous two town games provide direct counter examples to this.

Then when up against it for the lynch he does not provide reads aside from calling kush town. I don't know about you guys but if I was getting lynched as town then I would be desperate to provide as much information to the thread as possible to work off after I flip.

Did this happen? no. He in fact provided zero info to the thread and then left as soon as thread sentiment changed.

Spag is Scum.

Please lynch spag.


purpletrator demonstrates he is willing to lynch someone who is under heavy suspicion for little or no foresight. Compare this to his analysis here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388&currentpage=57#1132 Purpletrator is not incapable of making good analysis.

##VOTE: purpletrator
BONUS: Something funny from the other smurf
On December 10 2013 06:19 Plutarch wrote:
I appreciate a refresher in the reasoning behind policy lynching lurkers corazon, but that doesn't really add anything valuable to the conversation that anyone here wouldn't know already does it?

For the record, I always prefer lynching scum to lynching coin-flips, thus I will be hard on people who get in my way when I try to do so.

And then suddenly a few posts later
On December 10 2013 13:24 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:19 Corazon wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:12 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 13:02 Corazon wrote:
@Plutarch:

Jumping around your vote can be a town thing if you are justifying your votes and your reads, but Xatalos is just jumping around and harping on people for nothing and with no purpose other than to look like he is scum hunting.

Case in point:
On December 10 2013 08:19 Xatalos wrote:
On December 10 2013 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
[quote]
If purpletrator can reasonably explain what he is going to achieve with that post i'm going to unvote.
Now i gotta sleep! cya tomorrow.

Please don't be useless Alakaslam ok?


By the way... rayn, what are you doing? I thought you were going to be one of the most contributive players here. I hope it'll get better from here... Otherwise you're probably scum.

What is the point of this post? Does he think Rayn is scummy because he sleeps? There's no purpose to this post. It's not scum hunting. It's calling out Rayn for sleeping. How does this help us find scum?

Also, there is the point that townies believe in their reads and scum don't. If Xatalos believed I was scum, wouldn't he continue to pressure me and push for my lynch? Why does he insist on attacking kush for being kush and attacking Rayn for sleeping? Do you see any purpose to these posts? Is Xatalos trying to find a lynch? In my opinion, he isn't and that's why I voted for him.


I viewed those things as throwaway comments that people often make day one in order to set expectations for behavior and contribution. I think you are reading far too much into early day one pressure votes.

If the game had progressed further then of course I would expect a more concerted push behind a vote but in the context of the game state as it stands I don't believe his votes have been particularly scummy. In fact I think he is more likely to be town than scum at this point.

I am just trying to determine if you actually believe in the reasoning behind your xatalos push or if this is simply posturing, because at this point the case is not very strong at all.

I would like to bring something up from earlier though. If you're activity was going to be fine regardless why did you feel
the need to post that you were going to be inactive? And more importantly why did you not post this before roles had been sent out?

Please tell me where I explicitly said I was going to be "inactive"


Don't be bad please. We both know what I meant by that. What is the purpose of stating one stupidly semantic sentence in response to a constructive post?

##vote: corazon

I expect better from you.

LOL. Oh well, values were nice but once I am pissed lets throw them away

PS: If you go after sidesprang I'd be willing to bandwagon


Why have you been voting sidesprang all game if purple is your top scumread?

WTF is this bullshit about "Top scumreads"?

There are people I think are scum, and there are people I think are town. And there are people I don't know.

I vote for scum and I don't vote for town

We are in disagreement. Since I am bored, tell me if you think Holyflares final post confirms Plutarch as town?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Could you clarify for me please?
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