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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
All you manage to do is pick up something that you can insult people for. That's not playing mafia. From this moment on i will never join a game where you play and i pretend you are not in this game. Unfortunately lynching you goes against my win condition so i won't do it as you are probably the only person in this game who is stupid enough to shoot the towniest guy in the game on N1 and unfortunately that makes you town. Don't bother asking me anything because i am not reading your posts. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Rayn. I have the right to be mad at you because you want to lynch Plutarch and only Plutarch. This is same shit you did in B2B and it completely destroyed the town. Your ego is so fucking big you don't want to cooperate with anyone. That is how everyone sees you and that is why you get comments like mine Lastly, if you are mad at me for being mean to you, you need to tell Plutarch to stop being such a dick too. Don't set double standards for yourself and others. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On December 13 2013 20:20 sidesprang wrote: Ok was busy yesterday, had exam today. Read the thread and i'm now starting on filters. What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things. One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate. So my thought is VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia VA = Town-> susp votes = town Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of. Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes. I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first. Not necessarily. Scum can make suspicious votes even if it's town vs town. Naturally the suspicious votes are even more suspicious if VA is scum. On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all. Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is. These are pretty much non-points / things I have already explained (and Artanis clearly hasn't read). Some of the points are even townie for me (overall aggression, generating discussion, pressuring a lot). That's how I've basically always started the game as town (and recently as scum too -> pretty much null). Really quite bad reasons for wanting to lynch me #1. Incidentally, this "case" is a decent additional reason to lynch Artanis. How many would be up for lynching Artanis today? rayn, you at least mentioned that Artanis was scummy N1. Please, get off Plutarch and lynch a much scummier player (Plutarch isn't even scummy, and it puzzles me that you're going for him). On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet! bumatlarge the Civilian has been eaten by Sebastian! Holyflare's death doesn't give that much new info in itself, but the more important part is that it confirms Corazon as a (misguided) Vigi. Regardless, he's town, which makes Artanis look (very slightly) better and probably me/Plutarch worse. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on. (as a sidenote, from the shock that this Vigi shot caused, I probably won't be trusting Vigilantes to make sensible choices in the future). bum's death is a big mystery to me, since he did pretty much nothing all game. Does anyone have an idea about why the SK would shoot him? Maybe he thought bum was scum? In that case there might be some merit in going through who suspected bum. - - - - Other players who would be decent lynches are purple and LSB. - purple's vote wasn't that scummy, but he's been lurking and posting useless one-liners all game... and now we also know that Corazon is town, which makes purple slightly more likely scum - LSB has been throwing his vote around meaninglessly all game... hasn't truly pushed anything, just bandwagoned or thrown his vote here or there... and his Spag vote was actually about as scummy as that of Artanis VA, kush, Grackaroni and sidesprang aren't looking good either. VA has been just targeting the easiest lynches, kush happily lynched his own townread, Grackaroni's vote was pretty scummy too and sidesprang has barely posted enough to avoid being policy lynched. I think we should start from Artanis and continue from there. There are a lot of scummy players, but it should get easier when one is flipped. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
I'm just gonna vote Xatalos until he dies and then Plutarch. Later. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
I won't be on later tonight, but I will be on right now. But can people stop blaming me for not going after bad lynches? There is a reason why I don't want to lynch Corazon, VA (and to some degree spag). | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On December 14 2013 03:10 Corazon wrote: Yeah I'm done playing this game. HF was scummy and all you idiots calling me out for shooting him don't understand what you are talking about. I'm just gonna vote Xatalos until he dies and then Plutarch. Later. I think it's you who doesn't understand what he's talking about.... Considering that HF and Plutarch have been the towniest players and I'm reasonably high as well. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
fucking hypocrites | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On December 14 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I could get behind Artanis lynch. He says i have some information i should not have, does not explain it at all, does not address my case on Plutarch at all, but instead accuses me because of it (i don't even know what the hell). Definitely a good lynch. Then we can lynch Plutarch who makes 2 different reads from same posts. You don't think town can make different reads from the same (or actually slightly different) materials at different points in time? There's new indirect information, the level of analysis can be different etc. Something like that doesn't override that Plutarch has been scumhunting whenever he's been posting. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On December 14 2013 03:13 LSB wrote: First off, why are we still discussing Corazon at this point? Until someone countercalims vig he is confirmed town. I won't be on later tonight, but I will be on right now. But can people stop blaming me for not going after bad lynches? There is a reason why I don't want to lynch Corazon, VA (and to some degree spag). Your lynch of preference is sidesprang? Why is he the top #1 scummy player atm? You never even really pushed his lynch. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On December 14 2013 03:21 Xatalos wrote: Your lynch of preference is sidesprang? Why is he the top #1 scummy player atm? You never even really pushed his lynch. I thought you read my filter | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 14 2013 03:18 Xatalos wrote: You don't think town can make different reads from the same (or actually slightly different) materials at different points in time? There's new indirect information, the level of analysis can be different etc. Something like that doesn't override that Plutarch has been scumhunting whenever he's been posting. I asked Plutarch about those exact posts and he said it was not a big deal. But when LSB consolidates on one of the two top targets it suddenly somehow becomes suspicious? LSB makes 4 "bandwagony" votes, not suspicious -> LSB consolidates on current lynch targets suddenly all of his votes become suspicious. That's really bad. If LSB had not consolidated he would have been called out for not caring about the lynch. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I came around to artanis being town. His push for xatalos seems really genuine, and I think it might be right. Still need to read xatalos' filter, but let me just say I am super unimpressed with his recent long post. If you look it actually contains deceptively little content. On December 14 2013 03:07 Xatalos wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2013 20:20 sidesprang wrote: Ok was busy yesterday, had exam today. Read the thread and i'm now starting on filters. What I've noted so far is, that I noticed people wanted to try to find mafia from looking at the voting pattern. Which I think is a valid way of doing things. One thing that caught my mind was. There was deffo some suspicious votes happening, I think we all agree on that. But for one of those suspicious votes to actually be a mafia, wont VA have to be mafia. Like I mean no mafia member should vote like that unless they try to save his teammate. So my thought is VA = Mafia -> susp votes = mafia VA = Town-> susp votes = town Of course there is also the possibility that its just bad play in general. But I think the link is worth to take note of. Only read purps filter for today, but I find that one very scummy in general. He is not really doing much. He said he had a town read on cora, then 2 hours after he proceeds to vote on him. I think it had something to do with the notes. I'll look more into why he did that flip later. And he is also defending VA a lot. All that together with the very weak reason for voting spag makes him very scummy in my eyes. I wont cast any votes untill I get to read the rest, but I need some sleep first. Not necessarily. Scum can make suspicious votes even if it's town vs town. Naturally the suspicious votes are even more suspicious if VA is scum. On December 13 2013 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Plutarch, Rayn, Kush, and anyone else here please comment on my points regarding Xatalos. I don't like that he's not being discussed at all. Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is. These are pretty much non-points / things I have already explained (and Artanis clearly hasn't read). Some of the points are even townie for me (overall aggression, generating discussion, pressuring a lot). That's how I've basically always started the game as town (and recently as scum too -> pretty much null). Really quite bad reasons for wanting to lynch me #1. Incidentally, this "case" is a decent additional reason to lynch Artanis. How many would be up for lynching Artanis today? rayn, you at least mentioned that Artanis was scummy N1. Please, get off Plutarch and lynch a much scummier player (Plutarch isn't even scummy, and it puzzles me that you're going for him). On December 13 2013 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Holyflare the Medic has been shot by an ass-bullet! bumatlarge the Civilian has been eaten by Sebastian! Holyflare's death doesn't give that much new info in itself, but the more important part is that it confirms Corazon as a (misguided) Vigi. Regardless, he's town, which makes Artanis look (very slightly) better and probably me/Plutarch worse. But what's done is done, and it's time to move on. (as a sidenote, from the shock that this Vigi shot caused, I probably won't be trusting Vigilantes to make sensible choices in the future). bum's death is a big mystery to me, since he did pretty much nothing all game. Does anyone have an idea about why the SK would shoot him? Maybe he thought bum was scum? In that case there might be some merit in going through who suspected bum. - - - - Other players who would be decent lynches are purple and LSB. - purple's vote wasn't that scummy, but he's been lurking and posting useless one-liners all game... and now we also know that Corazon is town, which makes purple slightly more likely scum - LSB has been throwing his vote around meaninglessly all game... hasn't truly pushed anything, just bandwagoned or thrown his vote here or there... and his Spag vote was actually about as scummy as that of Artanis VA, kush, Grackaroni and sidesprang aren't looking good either. VA has been just targeting the easiest lynches, kush happily lynched his own townread, Grackaroni's vote was pretty scummy too and sidesprang has barely posted enough to avoid being policy lynched. I think we should start from Artanis and continue from there. There are a lot of scummy players, but it should get easier when one is flipped. So yeah sorry for calling your case bad artanis. | ||
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purpletrator
Vanuatu64 Posts
On December 14 2013 03:10 Corazon wrote: Yeah I'm done playing this game. HF was scummy and all you idiots calling me out for shooting him don't understand what you are talking about. I'm just gonna vote Xatalos until he dies and then Plutarch. Later. I cannot fathom how angry you must be all the time if you are unable to take a step back and consider that HolyFlare LITERALLY flipped town. He thinks you were scummy. Regardless of how you PERSONALLY felt about his attacks, his actions were TOWNY. END OF DISCUSSION. Now, if you want to explain your choice of shot based on you having a town PM and a scum-read on Holy, thats fine in retrospect. However, for you to continue to claim that Holy was scummy and expect us to believe that in the slightest is ridiculous and you should rethink how you portray yourself to the town from here on. You are "confirmed" town. There has been no counterclaim. You have the greatest motive to have shot HolyFlare, you claim to have done it and an "ass-bullet" has been reported. All these things point to you being confirmed town. Despite all this, Plutarch is STILL townier than you are, and he's only semi-confirmed. On December 14 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I could get behind Artanis lynch. He says i have some information i should not have, does not explain it at all, does not address my case on Plutarch at all, but instead accuses me because of it (i don't even know what the hell). Definitely a good lynch. Then we can lynch Plutarch who makes 2 different reads from same posts. Your case is bad and you should feel bad. You're also scum, so you should feel bad. Nice try rayn. You're probably the only player in the game who could reasonably push Plutarch and not get lynched for it. Except you're going to get lynched for it.. Since no one wants my friendship points, Holyflares last post while alive On December 13 2013 05:59 Holyflare wrote: Cora just copied half the shit i wrote in my vote analysis post, claims I'm scum. I'm going to die tonight plu is ma fwend. Lynch cora, artanis, xatalos, bum, grack most of those are scummy ##Vote: raynpelikoneet | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On December 14 2013 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I asked Plutarch about those exact posts and he said it was not a big deal. But when LSB consolidates on one of the two top targets it suddenly somehow becomes suspicious? LSB makes 4 "bandwagony" votes, not suspicious -> LSB consolidates on current lynch targets suddenly all of his votes become suspicious. That's really bad. If LSB had not consolidated he would have been called out for not caring about the lynch. One misstep in a player's logical thought process doesn't yet make scum. Maybe I could understand putting him at null, but #1 scumread? That's way too much for one detail in his large filter. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Why is everyone just saying "lol Plutarch is town" and not looking a t the case? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 14 2013 03:28 Xatalos wrote: One misstep in a player's logical thought process doesn't yet make scum. Maybe I could understand putting him at null, but #1 scumread? That's way too much for one detail in his large filter. If it was Oats or kushmasta then you are right. However it's not, there is a difference. | ||
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purpletrator
Vanuatu64 Posts
On December 14 2013 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am scum for thinking someone is scum? Tell me what's wrong in my case. Do you understand mafia does not slip in every post? No mafia has flipped, you can't 100% know who is right and who is bullshitting. Again, what's wrong with my case? Why is everyone just saying "lol Plutarch is town" and not looking a t the case? lol plutarch is town. Refute me. | ||
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