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On December 11 2013 02:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 02:14 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 02:04 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
Yes, but if I'm scum I'll be even more accountable once I've actually committed an action like that, and you have more chance of catching me. Did you read what I wrote? My whole point was that you could either stick w/ your stance or change it and both would look fine for you. I made you commit ahead of time so you couldn't base your decision on who the main wagons were gonna be @ the deadline. On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
I think it's fair to say that the bulk of your contribution is getting me to explain some meaningless D1 play. You're a more experienced player than I, what would your opinion be if someone else had done the same as you have? Would you think them red? Silly question. Obviously I don't think my play is scummy. On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
Do you think me red? If so, have you any reason other than the possibility that I was looking to negate my vote? I think you look better now that you admitted that you're not gonna keep your vote locked. [B]On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:[/B
]Do you have any other reads?
I've posted reads. Is there someone specific you'd like me to comment on? Really? You don't think a 10post filter scummy at this point? You don't think zeroing in on one relevant but minor detail for half of these isn't worth talking about? You've made other reads? Would you mind copy-pasting them in their entirety for dramatic effect? (it shouldn't take long) No, a 10 post filter isn't scummy at this point. People can post @ different times of the day. when I'm @ work (right now) is when I'm most available. Furthermore I think my posts all have pretty good content. It's not like I'm posting spammy one-liners. Yes, I think zeroing in a minor detail is scummy. I don't think what I was zeroing in on was minor. You obviously disagree. And if you gave me your simple answer when I asked for it, I wouldn't have mentioned it again. You can click my filter if want the reads I've already made.
I... I had reasons for not giving you a simple answer, which by this point I think you should be able to appreciate. If we leave this debacle in the past where is belongs, and pretend it never happened, this basically leave you with five posts worth of content. Some of those posts are +1's. Are you really backing yourself as a contributor? Do you refuse to quote your reads because you fear it will take too long, or because your lack of content is deniable when it isn't left in the open for all to see?
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On December 11 2013 02:29 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 02:23 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 02:21 Xatalos wrote:On December 11 2013 02:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I'm gonna step back from posting on Xata since no one seems to be reading it anyway and everything's already been said. On December 11 2013 01:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Spaghetti man is pretty mafia. I'd lynch him if pandain was here. Kushmasta seems super silly. If you have to (/green) things this early that aren't questions to the host, you are playing badly.
##Vote Pandain What makes Spaghetti mafia to you? Do you really think I'm a lynch candidate for today? Who else would you vote for if it's fruitless to vote for me? I think you mentioned purple. What do you think of this purple wagon? Isn't the post you quote specifically answering your question? Not really. He only said that he'd stop posting about me, yet his vote remains and I'm apparently still his top scumread (for some reason).
He(?) said he'd back off because he no longer thinks you a viable lynch, even though his convictions remain unchanged. Seems reasonable.
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On December 11 2013 02:28 Xatalos wrote:Spag, have you catched up with the thread? What about those slight scumreads that you mentioned? By the way, this post made me think you're more likely town: Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 22:59 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Kush
Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator
I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it. It just seems counter-intuitive to bring pressure on yourself like that for no real reason.
They're just single digit contenders on my spreadsheet (on a scale from -100 being mafia, and 100 being town). I adjust scores accordingly after each incident I find interesting. It's more to keep track of my perspective over time, as I often forget the small stuff. It's really not worth talking about, and I don't want scum knowing my reads unless I'm acting on them.
I appreciate the town read, though think it's something I'd do as scum too.
No I haven't caught up with the thread. I'm still stuck on the same page. I think it's more important to attend to the here and now, and I'm losing focus again (tis 5am).
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On December 11 2013 02:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Reading your fitler, I'm probably wrong. I didn't remember you posting alot early, but you did and it was better. You seem aggravated, I'd actually suggest stepping away from mafia for an hour or two and come back with a fresh mind.
You sure do ask a lot of questions. That's great but it's an easy way for scum to post. Think of how easy it is to poke around new threads and post question marks. Super minor though.
Your last few posts seem a little too vicious for what you are calling out. Activity is looking great this game, so let's not discuss how big our filters are, when your filter is not hard for you to generate as scum. There are much worse offenders then you, I'll try to find them. You should vote pandain though.
Are you talking to me? It seems like it.
Yeah I'm getting my vicious streak out this game, I'm not usually this pissed off at everything, I swear! I've been lynched as town for being too nice!
I'm not voting Pandain. He's gonna opt out or get modkilled IMO.
I think talking about filters is legitimate when they are this small. It's why you're hitting Pandain right?
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My notes on you Bumatlarge are lacking.
Tell me about yourself. You seem nice. Would you consider it outside of your character to be aggressive? Who are you reading and which way?
You seem to be playing passively with lots of theory. This is my natural inclination too, though I'm having it beaten out of me :/
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Kush = thejoker
Well... that implies evil, which isn't necessarily correct.
He is rly rather random though.
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I think it's a shot at me? If it is it's not relevant.
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I'm surprised Plutarch wants to lynch Slam, but I happen to agree so...
Slam is still not talking sense. It looks to me that he's scaled back the persona just enough to give him a fighting chance of wifoming his eminent demise.
I wanted to find someone better to lynch and I wanted Slam to step up, but neither of these things have happened and I am not unhappy with this direction for day one. I was posturing with my pressure vote, but this doesn't rule out me actually voting him.
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Slam if you make a decent case on me I'll reconsider lynching you 
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I’m worried about a Kush+Pluto scumteam. It’s association which is why I didn’t want to post anything until D2, but I've got some reasoning, and don’t see too much harm in putting it on the table. I've also got to provide some evidence that I've been thinking about the game outside of posting responses in real time.
On December 10 2013 07:03 kushm4sta wrote:
that guy is definitely not marv btw.
I’m tentative about claiming I know anything about how Kush works, but this seems fairly straight forward. He is very confident of this.
A while later this happens:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 10 2013 18:48 Holyflare wrote:
is you marv, plu? To which Kush replies: On December 10 2013 18:58 kushm4sta wrote:
marv not pluto
isn't xatalos talking way too much to be scum?
(This is why you don’t talk about smurfs and shit holyflare btw. )
On December 10 2013 20:08 kushm4sta wrote:
townlist
xatalos - talking a lot early game for no reason at all! Ive seen him play scum and he didn't post that much. Has this been changed by recent meta?
holyflare- scum kill this dude d1
yup i haven't read everything yet
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can i get some consolidation please? cause i dont want to read all this complicated shit everyone is writing.
ok standby for next post which will contain important shit
Kush heralds in his next post. Which isn’t particularly relevant, but does confirm that his next post is a play. He wants people to pay attention, it holds motive and isn’t just random kush bs.
+ Show Spoiler + On December 10 2013 20:14 kushm4sta wrote:smurfread on plutarchHe is definitely not marv. from pregame: marv's taste in music is not this dumb. And if it was he wouldn't advertise it.
Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:07 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 06:02 Corazon wrote:
I just want to let you all know that I have some English work to do in the next two days so don't expect me to be super-active....
....If you are town and you are lurking, expect to be under the gun during the game and expect me to not be very nice to you post-game. I will be weighing activity a lot heavier in my voting decision this game than I have in the past. You all are warned. If you are going to take a sieste the entire time and not participate, I am going to be on you until you do so.
That is all. I see some dissonance between your first point and your second. Why would you be so inclined towards policy on low activity players when you have just acknowledged that people can be town and not be active? Perhaps as you say you only require town to be active and you are, in fact, scum? Marv would never write a sentence as useless as this last one. Plutarch is some newish player tryharding. Could be koshi.
Kush is directive and salient like never before. But what does he want us to know?
That this player is not marv, and people should not treat him as such?
…or that he’s not actually receiving information that the rest of us aren’t?
Why, out of all his contributions is he wasting this level of analysis on smurfs? Why is he breaking persona for this?
This post reads to me as ‘shit, I’ve stepped out and need to quickfix’
- It implies he doesn’t have info on Plut that we don’t
- It gives the impression that there is actually someone ticking away behind the façade
- It distances him from Pluto by denouncing his posts as stupid
- It finishes off by naming a player at random that it might be
- It encourages others to waste time thinking about who the smurf might be
The way Kush moves with purpose drew my attention. It seems that he knows the identity of Pluto and doesn’t want to be seen that way. Whether this is because they are in a scumQT together or because he was told outside of the game, I don’t know.
Other than this, I don't have any further reads on Kush (as he is deliberately elusive), and think Pluto plays pretty townish. I do however, have a lot of respect for Plutarch's ability at this game, and think it likely he can play convincing town as either alignment.
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Speak to me people. I should be around until lynch.
Also, I'd like to clarify, I was never actually 'catching up'. I was rereading. I still haven't completely reread the whole thread, it didn't seem to be yielding much for the effort involved.
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I respect your ability as I said Pluto. The town read was bad, you would know this as either alignment.
I'm also only FOSing you. I know that this is not strong enough to get either of you lynched, and I'm not confident enough either way to actually want you lynched.
My purpose behind this post was to demonstrate that I've been thinking as a town. You're acting crazy defensive tho.
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Rayne I don't like your tone.
My case is that he knows who Plutarch is and was reprimanded outside the thread for it, which made him act with purpose to deny the possible interpretation that he knew who Plutarch is.
A smurf would likely tell his scumbuddies who he is, say... in a scumQT?
It is that he knows, and some external factor drove him to deliberately give the impression that he doesn't.
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Also Rayne, why so vicious? I actually want to know. Do not dodge this question pls.
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On December 11 2013 23:28 Plutarch wrote:
So when Kush was trying to guess who I was and I was saying he was wrong. All that interaction was faked?
See: encouraging people to think about things that are not conducive to finding town
See: Filling a filter full of fluff
Are you panicking? Why are you suddenly so weak?
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On December 11 2013 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:27 Spaghetticus wrote:
Also Rayne, why so vicious? I actually want to know. Do not dodge this question pls. Because you have now made about 70 posts and all you come up with is "kush is scum with Plutarch" with some terribad reasoning..
That's a reason to think me scummy, not a reason to get angry.
Are you trying to start a flamewar with me? You know I've been emotional this past day, you know it'd probably be easy to do. You've also done all in your power to demean my contribution. I've not got the strongest resume here, but I'm faaaaar from the weakest. Your anger at me specifically makes me suspicious. Are you trying to steer town into lynching me?
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On December 11 2013 23:32 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:30 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 23:28 Plutarch wrote:
So when Kush was trying to guess who I was and I was saying he was wrong. All that interaction was faked? See: encouraging people to think about things that are not conducive to finding town See: Filling a filter full of fluff Are you panicking? Why are you suddenly so weak? I'm not panicking. I'm just incredulous at how bad your case is. If you are town, don't let confirmation bias start making you see things that aren't there. If you are scum. Carry on.
No. You are being weak. Confirmation bias? I didn't even want to post this!
Since my post on a Pluto+Kush team you have:
- Tried to tell me that scum can't possibly point out bad town reads for towncred
- Told me scum can't possibly stage conversations about fluff in order to appear town and/or indirectly influence them
- called the case I've explicitly stated I didn't want to post as a result of it's shortcomings me being blinded by confirmation-bias. Remember: the intention behind the post was to confirm myself town. It appears I have run across something though.
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On December 11 2013 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes i am steering the town into lynching you because you have made 70 posts that say absolutely nothing. All you have to say is someone is mafia because of some assumed connection because they tried to guess someone's identity. Every other post you have made is an OMGUS to call out people who are telling you to go scumhunt or telling you why your logic does not make sense. You are not really trying to find mafia and your attitude towards people in this game gives out you are working under fear, pressure, insecureness and inherent guilt.
##Vote: Spaghetticus
Hmm... this is frustrating. Up until recently I had you green. I still think you probably green though I'm beginning to doubt myself. This attack is... too specific. I'm not the scummiest person here, your vote seems motivated by something other than lynching the scummiest player.
OMGUS? Yes I have a tendency to attack people that attack me. Where better to start? To dismiss my points as OMGUS though... I haven't been illogical, and I've attacked people for legitimate reasons.
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On December 11 2013 23:48 Plutarch wrote:I find this post interesting and perhaps more important in reading spag's alignment than his actual case. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:19 Spaghetticus wrote:
I respect your ability as I said Pluto. The town read was bad, you would know this as either alignment.
I'm also only FOSing you. I know that this is not strong enough to get either of you lynched, and I'm not confident enough either way to actually want you lynched.
My purpose behind this post was to demonstrate that I've been thinking as a town. You're acting crazy defensive tho. Generally the purpose of scum hunting is to lynch and find scum But in this post spag clearly states his motivation for scumhunting as survival. The first part Spag backtrack's from his read. Note that in order for his association case to be meaningful at all he must believe that both Kush and I are both scum or his case falls apart. Yet he is calling kush scum but only 'FoS'ing' me. (As an aside I hate the term FOS and believe it should never be used.) He says that his case is not strong enough to get us lynch nor that he actually wants us lynched. Discrediting your own cases immediately is something I associate with scum. Town wants people to follow their reads scum wants to appear active but actually achieve nothing. In that case why make the case at all? Well that is answered in the last part of the post. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 23:19 Spaghetticus wrote:
My purpose behind this post was to demonstrate that I've been thinking as a town. His 'case' was purely an exercise in 'appearing to be town'. The motive behind it is self preservation rather than finding scum. I understand that the preservation instinct appears within a town mindset also. But I felt that this post immediately following the case, which was much less crafted than it, reveals a scummy mindset.
Yes it's survival. But calling it only survival is BS. I was demonstrating that I've been thinking about who is town and who isn't. Note that I didn't backtrack my read, it was the explicit intention of it. Also note that I wasn't in any real danger of being lynched D1, though I thought it best to post for days to come.
The scenario is that I've been thinking along townie lines, but not demonstrating it. I've not got any strong strong reads, and haven't tried to fake any, which is typical of my playstyle (rayne I will address your aspersions shortly). I didn't go for a scummy play, which is to sew confusion. I tried to put down a read that demonstrates both that I am thinking, but also the reason I hadn't posted until now.
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