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raynpelikoneet
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Plutarch
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On December 15 2013 19:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I see pretty much no point in Vayne saying what he did as town. I tend to agree with you. The only explanation as town is if you were trying to troll or something. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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If he's mafia SK "knows" what to do. If he's SK mafia "knows" what to do. If he is town mafia/SK might clash, but if they don't, what was the point? | ||
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Xatalos
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On December 15 2013 08:04 sidesprang wrote: Only conclusion atm that i feel good about is that IF vayne = town -> artanis = town. Alakaslam deffo seem a bit wierd with how much he changed his vote and that late vote off from purp, but you can also see at one point he gave purple the lead. So it's a bit confusing why he would do that as scum. Oh and BTW, Please feel free to double check it. Tho the count I have in the sheet do seem to make up to the same as the mods counted. That's actually true too. If VA is scum, then Artanis most definitely can be scum. But I thought the chance of VA being scum was rather small, until this.... On December 15 2013 11:58 VayneAuthority wrote: SK we will shoot blazinghand so don't shoot him aight, don't wanna overlap Where he's basically aiding Mafia/SK regardless of his alignment. And there's absolutely no reason to do that as town... I'll seriously facepalm in the postgame if he's town and posted this. It's not impossible, but it makes no sense at all. So maybe he's just scum/SK. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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kushm4sta
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raynpelikoneet
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Surprisingly I agree with Kush. Rayn is attacking one of the only players he still had a strong townread on early on for reasons I find incomprehensible. Plutarch is pretty much the most townie guy around right now, and he's attacked for rehashing reads. Rayn's intent seems to be to make no one trust eachother to prevent town from cooperating. He's also called both myself and Xatalos scum, but mentioned before that he doesn't think we can both be scum. Fast forward to today and he hasn't mentioned either of us in any real way. He hasn't tried to get to know our alignment despite calling us both scummy and at the same time saying we can't both be scum (which I'd also like an explanation for). Rayn knows too much and seems to have a scum agenda on his mind. He also hasn't answered what that 'very scummy thing' was that he quoted despite both myself and Xatalos asking what it is. The underlined parts, which i talked about in my case too. He never explains why, just puts some general scum traits there and says i am working under them. What? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 15 2013 19:47 kushm4sta wrote: the reason to do that as town is to troll. i am very familiar with this reason and it's highly possible. Hey who do you think could be mafia atm? I like your new style of giving out reads much more than compared to your play before, but i would also like if you had some scumreads at some point.  | ||
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Plutarch
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Firstly he hardly mentions vayne even though he was a counter wagon on both days. But when he does mention vayne he likes to downplay his scumminess. On December 12 2013 02:52 purpletrator wrote: You said you'd never kill him, then you said you'd NK him to make the game more fun for yourself. Direct and absolute contradiction (that I do not find scummy, but its there). On December 12 2013 03:13 purpletrator wrote: you shouldnt scumread him for it either. On December 12 2013 03:15 purpletrator wrote: ebwop: my point is that his statement is hypothetical and not alignment indicative for vayne. On December 12 2013 03:17 purpletrator wrote: No rayn, I do not think Vayne is scummy for puffing his chest. On December 12 2013 03:25 purpletrator wrote: I think Vayne is prone to egotistical outbursts. Could he be scum? Yes. Could he be scum for the reason you and JJD are voting him? In my opinion, no. Why would scum want to defend a scummy townie like Vayne over the course of two days when Vayne had the very real possibility of getting lynched? What is the point in scum doing that? On day one Purple further tries to shift attention away from vayne during the final hours of the lynch by attempting to set the lynch as a race between two candidates that we now know to be both town. Even though vayne was a viable lynch at that time. On December 12 2013 05:11 purpletrator wrote: before slam gets too far, active lurkers (theres gotta be like 10 of us), who is scummier, cora or spag? Purple finally did vote for vayne. But only at the last minuite and the vote is meaningless. If vayne had not been crossvoted by purple as the leading counterwagon he would look terrible. This last vote is FORCED and gives vayne zero town cred. The other person that looks bad is Slam. Purple who despite saying this at the beginning of the game On December 10 2013 08:46 purpletrator wrote: Can we appeal to the vig(s) to shoot kush and/or slam for us? Refuses to lynch and vehemently defends slam all day one. Once again, why would scum feel compelled to hard defend a relatively easy policy lynch? They wouldn't. If the person getting policy lynched was town. Hey Slam get in the thread and defend yourself or you will be lynched On December 12 2013 03:11 purpletrator wrote: Slam are you around? I dont want to lynch you but your absence is not helping if you are town. Hard defense. Why would this happen if slam was policy lynched as town? On December 12 2013 03:12 purpletrator wrote: he's actually getting lynched right now and its a really bad lynch. On December 12 2013 03:33 purpletrator wrote: He is almost the same as an RNG lynch. He's so polarizing of a player that there is no analysis to be done on his wagon or the discussions surrounding him. It is a bad lynch. You get no information and statistically a mislynch. On December 12 2013 05:11 purpletrator wrote: before slam gets too far, active lurkers (theres gotta be like 10 of us), who is scummier, cora or spag? He also tries to hand hold slam into making legible posts in order to sway the vote. During this hand holding he shows that he has intimate knowledge of Slam's persona which does not come from the thread. On December 12 2013 04:09 purpletrator wrote: Slam this isnt even in your persona and it makes no sense. I dont care if you have to put it in code, who are you referring to and why are the ICE? On December 12 2013 04:44 purpletrator wrote: sorry, that should have been why are they ice. I understand that ICE=scum and fire=town etc. Right now you are liable to be drowned, not frozen. Do you understand the difference? Also, it is not strictly because you have a persona, it is because you constantly ramble on about where is the ICE/ Do you like ICE without mentioning any particular person(s) who are cold or clouded in shadows. His stuff on LSB seems null to me. But his defense of Slam and Vayne look really really bad. Further, they are both independently scummy. | ||
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Plutarch
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raynpelikoneet
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Plutarch
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On December 15 2013 20:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually one thing Plutarch. tbh if Slam and Vayne are both scum why would Slam voteswitch in the end? There is no way he's gonna get a townie lynched, why would he do that? He panicked? If he really wanted to lynch vayne instead of his scum buddy purple why did he not switch to vayne? Instead he switches to the only non scum able to get lynched. | ||
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kushm4sta
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Scum usually don't defend each other so blatantly. Also, a common scum tactic is to town read someone who is acting superficially scummy (aka trolly) like me or vayne. They do this people are going to want to lynch us no matter what, and it's easy to reverse their read on us, and it's an easy way to look like they are contributing. | ||
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Xatalos
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Obviously without Artanis's vote VA would have been lynched instead of purple, since it was only a matter of one vote in the end... Still, I'd say that A) if VA is scum, Artanis has a very good chance of flipping scum B) if VA is town/SK, Artanis has about an average chance of flipping scum (much less than if VA is scum, but it could still be a clever play by him) | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On December 15 2013 20:22 Xatalos wrote: Btw rayn, how would you say Artanis affected the purple lynch? I'm rereading through the events and I don't really see as big of an impact from him as I thought. Basically it seems to be mostly your own doing. Artanis did cause you to switch from XigXag to purple, but that's about it for his contribution to the lynch (besides his vote). Obviously without Artanis's vote VA would have been lynched instead of purple, since it was only a matter of one vote in the end... Still, I'd say that A) if VA is scum, Artanis has a very good chance of flipping scum B) if VA is town/SK, Artanis has about an average chance of flipping scum (much less than if VA is scum, but it could still be a clever play by him) As i said i think when i was able to convince Plutarch to join the purpletrator lynch i think it's reasonably to assume other people will join asewll so i don't really think the votes after that matter too much alignmentwise. Unless Vayne is town and the wagon is scumfree - which (both of them being true) i can't possibly believe. | ||
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Plutarch
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On December 15 2013 20:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's my point. The vote switch cannot possibly achieve anything from scum pov. If he switches to Vayne and Vayne is scum he risks losing a better role than vanilla scum. If he switches to someone else he still risks Vayne getting lynched if someone from town switches votes and he effectively makes himself look bad in any way. It was a last minute thing vote counts were off. I think it is more than plausible that he panicked and outed himself. | ||
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