PYP: League of Legends Mafia

Yorick - Omen of Death - You have complete mastery over all things dead! As the gravedigger, you bury the corpses of slain champions so that player alignments and champion role descriptions are not revealed upon flip for one night. You will receive all the information covered up by this ability.

On November 21 2013 04:41 Roffles wrote:

Nope, just figuring most players are gonna be from the LoL forum and they all hate my guts and think it'd be funny to lynch me first.

On November 21 2013 04:43 Roffles wrote:

Soniv plz. In my previous lifetime, I was Voldemort.

On November 23 2013 01:57 VisceraEyes wrote:

I didn't say whose, dear.

On December 01 2013 04:56 gtrsrs wrote:

i don't care if it has a good power, i'm not playing viktor cause eff that guy

On December 01 2013 10:20 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I don't agree with killing rayn at all btw~

On December 01 2013 10:41 Kenpachi wrote:

how are you obvious town. You're calling me bad?

A lot of your posts hold almost no weight to them. Just feigning usefulness the way I see it.

On December 01 2013 11:03 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I mean yes, he's hard to deal with in general.
But it's been brought up before.. His town play is hyper aggressive and thus far the only real issue I have floating about is the Oats/Marv/Rayn exchange earlier on. But I don't think it's enough for me to call any of that group scum yet. So I'm curious on where your thought process here is..

Are you just policy lynching him?

On December 01 2013 11:17 geript wrote:

Explain why you think Rayn is scum right now. Best bring a damn good case or you're dying before the lynch D1.

On December 01 2013 11:53 geript wrote:

I don't disagree. My point is that as scum he has no reason to be this active right now on day -1. Maybe on Day 0 to get a lynch line up but not right now. Especially when most people aren't reading or posting. Plus, I understand his tow reads and mostly agree with them. I just don't think organizing picks ever works well.

On December 01 2013 23:06 Koshi wrote:
raynpolikoneet
I am not going to do what you are saying. Might pick Viktor though.
Kinda liking Karthus.

On December 01 2013 23:21 marvellosity wrote:
jcarl must be being sarcastic there...

On December 01 2013 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote:

You are mafia and have access to their QT?

On December 02 2013 00:17 Koshi wrote:
AWWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

I totally picked Viktor even before you peeps started suggesting him. I even made the items already. They will be DotA themed.

You silly gooses.

On December 02 2013 00:23 Mocsta wrote:

I'm in MYLO. Guess im reading into things too closely
/sigh

Obviously time to go to bed.

On December 02 2013 00:32 Oatsmaster wrote:

I thought he was trying to trick scum

On December 02 2013 00:39 Oatsmaster wrote:

yup.

On December 02 2013 06:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
hahaha Bum. I honestly think your intents are awesome but the top 15 players? I think thats a little hopeful to get people to follow

On December 02 2013 07:43 Roffles wrote:
I think we may need to account for what each champion is potentially able to provide with their unknown ability instead of what they're thus far listed as being able to do. It's super risky to do, but if played well can bring a huge advantage to whatever side plays it the best.

Take for example bumatlarge's list of proactive green champs (Jarvan, Lux, Taric, Karma, Galio, Orianna, Syndra) and notice they're all protective champs. But other champs that don't seem to be that useful as listed like Soraka could easily have an additional ability to mass heal or even just heal. In addition to the roleblock ability, that could easily become a priority pick to have.

Also, some champs that don't necessarily seem deadly at first glance like Twitch could turn out to have some ridiculous second ability like who knows? Stealth and ability to hit everyone up to a certain range away? It's possible, and it's something to potentially ponder.

You could easily end up assigning someone a role and that can turn to bite you in the ass because you don't have complete information on what that role can do.

On December 02 2013 08:15 austinmcc wrote:
The value is in the fun, and in picking the couple champs that are relatively easy to predict because they have a specific and iconic ability that defines them, but isn't the one revealed.

On December 02 2013 08:32 sandroba wrote:
Let me think aloud here for a second. What happens if we all claim which roles we are taking, so it ensures maximum amount of roles for town. That way even mafia has to claim and we all claim what we did (after resolution) for the night as well. That would greatly simplify the game and force mafia to make mistakes with their claims. The trade off is that mafia is going to get what they want and know where the roles are, but with so many different protective roles and unknown abilities pehaps it is a good trade off. A town composed of 100% blues is a monster.

On December 02 2013 09:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
I picked Taric, to bad his heal doesn't have CDR.

Did we ever find out exactly how HP works in this game? Does everyone have the same amount?

On December 02 2013 15:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think gtrsrs is one of the most transparent players in the game so far. Not gonna vote for him.
Why is VE town for you? How is VE helping the town?

On December 02 2013 15:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Interesting. I think all of those people are town.

On December 02 2013 15:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I want opinions from everybody in the thread on gtrsrs and geript.

I'm not doing an analysis of geript right now since people keep calling him town. I'll accept that I might be wrong for now. But I want people to justify these reads instead of just sheeping rayn. If everyone just continue to parrot rayn I'll go do some digging of my own but right now gtrsrs is my primary goal.

On December 03 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:

Its the feels yo. Why dont you feeeeeel it.

On December 02 2013 08:54 geript wrote:
Mass claim is bad imo. Makes grabbing specific roles significantly more powerful ie. Warwick.

On December 02 2013 09:20 geript wrote:
I don't disagree that a mass claim is bad at some point. I don't think that point is just after roles are chosen.

On December 02 2013 23:04 marvellosity wrote:
sandroba, go flick through a couple of gtrsrs's towngames, I dare ya.

My flick through jcarl's games was less definitive than I'd like.

On December 03 2013 01:09 Kurumi wrote:
Care to explain how "tooscummytobescum" makes sense?

On December 03 2013 01:29 geript wrote:
Despite Kurumi not drawing,

On December 03 2013 01:35 VisceraEyes wrote:

I was even /more/ confused by what follows.

On December 03 2013 01:41 kushm4sta wrote:
Jcarl i have nothing but love for you man!

On December 03 2013 01:50 geript wrote:

This post really stood out to me. This doesn't read as a normal Oats reaction to me. It's like he feels the need to defend himself but isn't actually willing to be in the spotlight in this manner. Honestly, this game it feels like Oats is trying to pick a fight with me just to pick a fight with me because that's what town oats does. It's very similar to his game in hydra (with Rayn) where he rumbled with Mocsta because he had a history of Oats/Moc bitchfests as town in his recent history.

On December 03 2013 02:51 Kurumi wrote:
Mig is very helpful, posts a lot, votes a lot. Good player overall, he's been there for a while.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305&user=Mig
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227186&user=Mig
^Town games
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&user=Mig
^Scum game
They are decent in length, always good in substance though.

On December 03 2013 03:03 LSB wrote:

##Unvote; Mocsta Oops I didn't see this was a response. I will revisit this accusation after I finish reading the thread

On December 03 2013 03:11 geript wrote:
@jcarl... Do you think lsb is scum?

On December 03 2013 03:23 geript wrote:

This seems like a weird way to attack him. You know he's better and he's not being better but he's only potentially scum? It's such an odd push entirely. Nothing you've said will force him to respond. What's you're point in making a blah post?

On December 03 2013 03:40 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Which is why I'm working under the assumption that LSB is not lying.

On December 03 2013 03:40 marvellosity wrote:
Mafia would never fakeclaim Tryndamere because it's ridiculously suicidal. It's so easily proven.

On December 03 2013 04:43 geript wrote:
So jbrundage or carlsonuv?

On December 03 2013 04:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Beca use the revealed power is role blocker/watcher right?

Kassadin - Null Sphere - Each night during the one hour resolution period, you will receive the results of two actions that have been submitted at random (X damage, roleblock, X heal, etc.) and their targets. You may choose to silence one of the actions, causing it not to resolve.

On December 03 2013 05:42 marvellosity wrote:
Although I am pretty curious that you dislike me, given I've essentially been helping to push your lynch target, VE. That's kinda weird.

On December 03 2013 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
soniv I just filtered you for that remark. I told geript I think you're town earlier. I retract that - your filter is bad and I confused you with another J name in the game when I was talking to him. Who do you think is scum and why?

On December 03 2013 06:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
JohnyLaw is who I confused you with.

On December 03 2013 06:37 kushm4sta wrote:
ok so your case is based on activity mainly?

On December 03 2013 06:35 JonnyLaw wrote:
Did you read the filters from his last games? He actually participates, reads the thread and tries to hunt scum. He's agro and pushing an agenda.

If he doesn't contribute I have no problem policy lynching him as a last resort. Until that happens I'd rather focus on people we can read since they're actually playing the game.

On December 03 2013 06:50 jaybrundage wrote:

During the game I played with you I thought you were towns tons of times. Reads can change thru out the game. But you played scum very well and proceeded to trick everyone and win the game as scum. I thought i had played another game with you but i was wrong. Regardless my whole post was to say you play a very good scum and I if you play townie-like there is a still a very strong chance you can be scum. So im gonna FOS you like a sonovabitch.

Also you have me a scum read I read later on. Please Marv tell me why I would create a terrible case on you a townie vet. As mafia and draw my self into the spotlight. It wasn't even a case ffs. It was a gut read. You say Im bullshitting. But how is a gut read bullshitting it just is a feeling. If your not dead in a day or 2 your prolly mafia regardless of how your playing.



Roffles I have never played with you. Your reasoning is shit because I don't play town how others would or optimally. I am unique or as some would say lynchbait. Oh no you say you shouldn't call your self lynchbait thats anti town. Well actually referring to my self as lynch bait is a null tell. I do it as scum or town. If you wanna make a case on me go read some of my games and understand my meta. Cause if you use simple basic guidelines for town, your gonna mislynch a townie.

My reasoning for going after Marv is because I played a good scum game and I'm very wary of him cause he won the game for his team. Would scum go after a Vet like Marv let alone my scum play. I basically lurk super hard as scum I wouldn't go after someone like Marv because that would draw unwanted attention. Regardless read my meta or drop the case, cause its shit.

On December 03 2013 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
Koshi, my love, that's a Mattchew-Hogwarts case and not a Seuss-## case.

On December 03 2013 07:49 Koshi wrote:

I know it's not perfect. but the tldr of Kurmui filter is this.
+ Show Spoiler +

K. It's now out of my system.


I will probably just sheep somebody somewhere.

On December 03 2013 07:55 Risen wrote:

Why ask? Just sheep. You're actually another person I have bad feelings on.

On December 03 2013 07:58 geript wrote:

I THOUGHT YOU LOVED ME NOT MARV VE!!!!! YOU HAVE BETRAYED AND TRAMPLED ON MY LOVE FOR THE LAST TIME. WE ARE DONE!!!!

No really you can call me whenever you want my number is 8675309

On December 03 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It doesn't matter if the setup is closed, open, or semi-open.

On December 03 2013 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Scum can always coordinate their actions well because they have a team. Cooperation is a MUST for the town when everyone has a role. Otherwise people will just screw each other over when they for example roleblock scummy people (who end up being town) who have roles that are good for town.

If we massclaim we can coordinate all actions at towns best interest. If someone does not do what they are supposed to, they risk of being lynched due to lying, it does not matter if they are town or scum, you just coordinate all the powers regardless of affiliation. Someone fucks up = lynch. Of course scum might lie and not get caught, but if they lie on N1 they misght get caught on N4 for example, when people flip and we are able to confirm roles/actions.

Knowing all actions and assumed roles at all times is highly beneficial because there is no room for scum to hide with power.

On December 03 2013 09:12 Kenpachi wrote:
god you of all people to call me out. Yeah gut read honestly. Reason being if geript is town, jcarls chainsawed him pretty hard. let that be the story.

On December 03 2013 09:23 Kenpachi wrote:

Well it was effective if it wasn't a chainsaw. I may have misused the term but I saw it as a redirection of the thread's somewhat pressure on you and I didn't agree with your tone and execution but the message is what i do agree with

Then again thinking about it, it's too early to say it was anything specific

On December 03 2013 11:14 geript wrote:
I'm really confused by all these guys who think I might be scum. There's like 110% town flip for me based on my play alone. I really don't get it.

On December 03 2013 11:24 Mocsta wrote:
Jcarl

Geript aside. Thoughts on jonny?

On December 03 2013 11:40 Mocsta wrote:

Contradictions was rayn btw

On December 03 2013 22:29 geript wrote:

There aren't other horses I like. I don't trust Oats push on LSB. Sure the Oats scum storyline makes sense, "Well I can't drop this because it's not happening because then people will instantly call me scum for not 'believing in /pushing' my plan". Sure it makes sense, but the flip side is also true as town you're likely to push that shit regardless. Also, Rayn I'm pretty sure is scum. He was a big push in the graves ban. More importantly town Rayn doesn't consider voting his early town reads. Like never and especially not D1. I think he's being opportunistic in who he's targeting.

On December 03 2013 22:49 geript wrote:

Rayn's gotten in bitchfests about people voting his town reads. That's not uncommon at all. His pick is a very interesting claim too because it'll justify him being around for a few days as well (big shield for 4 phases or something). I think you're wrong obv. But can you explain the BAL scum logic. Remember to use little words because I'm stupid and bad at the game.

On December 04 2013 00:03 kushm4sta wrote:
DO NOT LYNCH BUM. I think it's literally impossible for scum to think this way. His thought process is so freaking town.

On December 04 2013 00:32 Mig wrote:




I don't like this quote from jcarl about bum either, so wishy washy, and the omgus excuse is zzzzzz. Jcarl doesn't seem emotional it shouldn't be a problem for him to evaluate the case against bum with an open mind.

On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:
Aye.



I never wanted tryndamere, and I didn't want another town to take it. Figured that would be the best way, and town would understand. Kinda awkward now that LSB has it, but it's not scummy for either of us I think, especially since he claimed it.

I'm glad you noticed, I initially had another block of text about the voters on Urgot, but I convinced myself it didn't hold water except for jcarl. Geript I was still suspicious of, but not for the reasons I was going to give. The other two, Mig and justanothertownie, I liked as town, so I axed the whole section and just picked up where the analysis began.

You are really smart BC.



PSA I know guitarasaurus pretty well, but I don't know how he plays mafia. I wouldn't witch hunt him yet for doing nothing, but he needs to step it up even if he didn't get what he wanted. There are better lynches.

HEAR THAT BRIAN?

I have yet to analyze geript, though my gut said mafia. I was going to but the jcarl analysis wore me out, and I scratched a whole long segment that I thought wasn't good.

@LSB

I'm not going to claim, sorry how you managed to go for trynd was unfortunate, but what I said would have worked if it got all the way to you. Meh, you claimed so thats actually good for everyone. I agree certain people should claim, and most have, but others should not.

Tell you what though, I will claim if jcarl claims. I thought I caught him pretty good, but the fact that multiple people have called my case good yet only 4 people voted for him, and that you tried to turn it on me, tells me jcarl is a good role for scum to have. Just a feeling.

It's been a while but LSB is playing similar to another PYP game, with plans that don't really fall through. He plays weird in general, but there is methods to his madness when he's town. I don't have a read yet, but I'd like to see what he does.

If you have a good role like DT/Medic/Vet, please don't claim.

On December 04 2013 01:01 geript wrote:

I'd like you to expand your thoughts here on why you think this.

On December 04 2013 01:24 geript wrote:

Try again sugar.

On December 04 2013 02:19 gtrsrs wrote:
oh woops, forgot to include my reasoning

soniv is a bona fide hipster, loves to play champs that are not currently popular or considered strong. in addition to the champs i listed, on the champ list, there are several of those: mordekaiser, karma, twisted fate, malzahar, syndra, talon

but each of these either has a damage ability listed (morde, TF, malz, syndra) or has an extremely high likelihood of a damage ability (karma, talon)

i believe karma is his favorite champ though. hard to analyze her based on her abilities though, because Wave said that he's been planning this for months, and karma went through a remake somewhat recently

On December 04 2013 02:39 Rean wrote:


What. How on earth is this acceptable?

On December 04 2013 02:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Roffles' regular dosage of cancer.

Although, Roffles, you have a 1 page filter and haven't said anything in quite a long time. Scum reads?

On December 04 2013 03:16 sandroba wrote:
StorrZerg also looks pretty bad.

Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason

On December 04 2013 06:12 LSB wrote:

I don't understand what you are trying to imply. Are you just simply trying to discourage me from using my role should Bum not get lynched? Or are you trying to make a blanket statement saying I should never use my role? Or are you criticizing my choice of night action?

On December 04 2013 23:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Well that was a bummer of a lynch (I'm so funny)

Hey VE, if you're charging your laser and considering lurkers to shoot, why didn't you include Kenpachi on your list?

On December 04 2013 23:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey hey Jcarl, wanna lynch ROffles/

On December 04 2013 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
Could you make some retrospective watchy/tracky sort of item?

On December 04 2013 23:59 marvellosity wrote:
That was already rejected dear. As has been said more than once in the thread.

On December 05 2013 00:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Also I looked through roffles's filter and its complete shit. He is needlessly aggressive and displays a disturbing amount of apathy towards this game.

On December 05 2013 01:21 gtrsrs wrote:


quick question, if you think roffles is leaning scum, why do you want to lynch geript or gtrsrs? can you provide reasoning, or if you already have, a link to said reasoning?

On December 05 2013 02:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I never said I was using my ult tonight that is totally fabricated. I said how I would use it but never when.

So why do you want new to confirm for the scum team whether or not I Ann using my check soniv?

On December 04 2013 13:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's night - do your thing. But I issue you the same warning I issue the rest of the lurkers. My second ability is my ult. I'm using it on lurkers this game.

On December 05 2013 03:23 kushm4sta wrote:


you nitpicked a townread for no reason.
your nitpick was blatently false.
i don't get it ve.

On December 05 2013 03:55 gtrsrs wrote:
i have returned and have the time to build my case. after i do so i'll be around for a short while to hear criticisms of it and then i will be gone for some time, and can check back in the late afternoon to see if you guys can punch holes in it or not

On December 05 2013 06:24 marvellosity wrote:
Well isn't that a fine and dandy question? Pass.

rayn said it was very likely that Jonny was town for proactively proposing plans during the draft phase. I'm not really sure why that's true or why I should believe it. The fact it was true in one or two past games of his does not necessarily make it true here. And rayn's townreads like this are simply not always correct. But it's annoying because he feels strongly about it, so I just end up writing a waffly paragraph like this about it just to demonstrate how waffly I feel about it.

What gtrsrs says about jcarl's response to accusations is interesting, and it's also something that can be looked at by looking at some of his past games, which I will do come Day 2 (because i'm too lazy to now). If people want to do this, obviously look at games from both alignments. There might be something to find there.

On December 05 2013 05:28 gtrsrs wrote:
i want to start my case with apology for being rather lurky this game. i've stated before but people are still commenting, so i will reiterate: i'm not as aggressive a person as i was a few years back, so my playstyle is not as aggressive as it was either. additionally, until now, i didn't feel strongly about anyone being scum. lastly, i do not like to use meta-game to build a case, especially on day 1 (unfortunately, you'll see that i will have to use the 'meta' reasoning a bit in this case).

Having a less aggressive playstyle does not mean that you can just not play the game. It does not excuse a complete lack of caring for the game. You've done essentially nothing up until this post.

i know relatively few of you and have played mafia with even fewer. i don't know your traits when you are mafia or town. however, some of you i know well or even very well. as bum_at_large pointed out, he and i have been friends for years. i felt very strongly that bum was doing his normal bum thing - being analytical, making logical posts, and being pro-town - and that he was town. one of the only other people that i can claim to know their personality is jacarlsoniv (henceforth referred to as soniv). i've played league with soniv, posted in the league sub-forum with soniv, and watched soniv's sparse streaming for a couple years now. as i stated earlier,


This is not only an appeal of "hey, I'm really good friends with bum, that guy that just flipped town", but also smoe sort of attempt to make it look like you're a semi-expert on my personality?

i feel like although he's not my bestest buddy, i have a good read on soniv's overall personality. he thinks highly of himself as a strong player and intellectual, and he's a fierce competitor. when he's "winning" he's cocky and carefree, but when he is challenged, i believe that soniv becomes extremely defensive and can get emotional. it's a knee-jerk reaction that i've seen in playing with him (exasperated sighs and outbursts when his lane gets camped in league, banning viewers [read: me ] when they comment on a mistake he makes on his stream, etc). i believe that soniv has taken a needlessly harsh and defensive stance on several comments made in his direction, many of which don't even point a ton of suspicion in his direction

Furthering your "expertise" on me? Look, this paragraph is mostly irrelevant character smearing. You are correct in saying that I am a fierce competitor. However, you are grossly exaggerating what happens "when I'm challenged". Beginning of Day 1 I was challenged by bum. Did I go super turtle mode and lash out at everyone? I don't recall that happening.

i'll start by cementing that i believe soniv is just being soniv and not changing up his personality for this game, as that's what i'm basing my case on:


... but soniv's first post in the game was a quote from his favorite champ:


This was the very first post of the thread, it has no bearing on the way this game has been played. It's pointless for you to quote this.

this was also a response to me saying i hated viktor as a champion:


This was at the beginning of Day 0, and as you accurately point out below, it was in jest.

these second two posts are lighthearted, comfortable soniv posts. he's not under pressure, he's making jokes, he's referencing and defending his favorite champ. it's only after i create a seemingly worthless post about what i feel soniv picked (spurred by the fact that he breadcrumbed that he does no damage) I didn't breadcrumb this, I directly said that I have a non-damaging role that he became defensive about it:


I'm being defensive here? Please tell me what is defensive about this. This is one of several posts where I'm trying to get you to contribute.



the second he's put under the tiniest bit of pressure, no matter how tangential it may be, he retracts into a defensive, ad hominem style.

Again, this is not defensive. If you would have been so kind as to not exclude the majority of that post: + Show Spoiler +

On December 04 2013 02:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:

Show nested quote +

On December 04 2013 02:19 gtrsrs wrote:
oh woops, forgot to include my reasoning

soniv is a bona fide hipster, loves to play champs that are not currently popular or considered strong. in addition to the champs i listed, on the champ list, there are several of those: mordekaiser, karma, twisted fate, malzahar, syndra, talon

but each of these either has a damage ability listed (morde, TF, malz, syndra) or has an extremely high likelihood of a damage ability (karma, talon)

i believe karma is his favorite champ though. hard to analyze her based on her abilities though, because Wave said that he's been planning this for months, and karma went through a remake somewhat recently

My propensity for playing less popular champs in game has 0 reflection on what role I chose in this game. This is 100% pointless speculation.

Also, I believe someone has claimed Karma already. I don't remember who (and can't find the list at the moment - I'm sure LSB knows).

Whenever you're ready to stop being a dumbass is good with me.

That last line was said because you were making a conclusion that I had picked Karma, something that someone else had already claimed long before.


so that's my setup. now i want to give 2 postulates that i've learned from playing forum mafia and epic mafia. 1) knowledge is power. mafia inherently has more knowledge than town, so doing actions that lead to town having more knowledge helps to level the playing field. yes, it can lead to revelations for the mafia as well, but remember, mafia has enough information to win the game from the start. mafia thrives in a suffocated, information-free town. 2) town needs to lynch mafia. town does not need to lynch lurkers, anti-town townies, pro-town townies, or blues. town needs to lynch mafia. this one is simple. you don't lynch someone because you don't like them, or because you have a weak lead on them. mafia members can subtly push for lynches on bad town and lurkers because it can feel like a "next best" option.

1) knowledge is power
i agreed with a mass roleclaim plan. soniv did not:

soniv is in the wrong and roffles is in the right. i've tried to illuminate what several hot-topic champs can do so that we can help non-league players. information is power. soniv, however, wants to nip speculative and free discussion at the bud. in fact, when i've given my expertise,

I had disagreed with Roffles in using hidden role speculation as a primary source of strategy because it ends up just being speculation. You have decided to use this speculation as your sole choice of "activity".



there is one role that he does want to find though: kassadin, a potentially scum-screwing role that will likely be able to dart out of trouble as well as screw up enemy actions:


this is because soniv, playing as SKT1'S Poohmandu (even getting one of his favorite hipster support champs, Janna!) wants to actively limit the amount of information that town has in order to both prevent town from getting too many power roles, and eliminate said power roles quickly.

So you are not only speculating that I picked Janna (which is an acceptable speculation because I had claimed a non-damaging role in thread), but also that I am Poohmandu...

2) town needs to lynch mafia, and no one else
take a peek at soniv's filter, page 3. in the span of a few posts, he goes from

to


it's subtle sheeping. town does not put their votes onto someone that they do not believe is mafia. it's a mafia tactic to subtly sheep votes onto people that others fine suspicious. It wasn't sheeping at all. It was the direction the thread was going at the time (early in day 1). I was trying to get more out of VE because he was pushing to kill you and hadn't gotten any other reads out at the time. however, soniv himself did not even put a vote on me, he voted for geript. he's sowing discord:


literally no one thinks that i'm mafia at this point. my worst detractors think i'm unmotivated town. you don't lynch unmotivated town. points to soniv for keeping his vote on geript instead of hopping on the bum bandwagon, it was a nice cover-up. though a bit unnecessary as the wagon was rolling fast enough that he didn't even need to jump on tbh

This paragraph is untrue on a few points. You have been on peoples' lists the entire game. Some people thought you were unmotivated town. I myself took that into consideration and have tried to give you many chances to redeem yourself all game. You are correct that I didn't vote for bum. When I left for the night, he had 11 votes. I made a post that I thought he could be scum, and I did think he was. I'm not afraid to acknowledge that, nor am I afraid to acknowledge that I was wrong. I left my vote on geript because I think he's scum, and placing my vote on bum would have made 0 difference.

this post is the lynchpin for when i realized soniv was poohmandu:


again, it's subtle and it's not a direct statement. but soniv is pushing us toward lynching people based on their roles, not their alignment. town's job is to lynch mafia, not to lynch bad town that took a role that seems to aid mafia more than town. in fact, this post almost feels like a dare: "i dare you to spin [which would help mafia] to confirm your mafia-esque role so i can push a lynch on you, a townie." it's a big double whammy

I would love this explained to me. Where do I dare him to use his ability? I was literally saying "don't use your ability, why do you think that if you use it you will look town?". You're completely fabricating information here.



more sheepy spam that's not backed up by a vote. if roffles is mafia, vote to lynch him. if he's not, don't say you think he is.

This is not sheepy spam. My sentiment of "Roffles being Roffles" is echoed by others afterwards as well.

but of course when i call him out on it, he retracts into defensive mode again:


Again, I don't see where I'm being defensive. At this point, I'm sick of your inactivity and I was not going to enable your decision to not read the thread.

other post that bothered me:


hard to take seriously when at this point soniv himself has said nothing of worth

Have I found scum? Well, I think so, but we have yet to actually find that you. Have I done nothing of worth? Not by the hairs on my chiney-chin-chin. The JAT post I was referring to had no content, and this was said by more than just myself. There have been several instances of me trying to get lurkers to do things. I'm not saying I've been 100% useful, but I've done a hell of a lot more than nothing.

it's cut and dry, challengers. this guy might be diamond V in league of legends but his mafia skill is silver II. sorry soniv, no hard feelings. your personality just shows through too much to me and betrays your actual intentions.

##vote: jcarsoniv



also, make sure you touch up on bum's initial look at soniv. it didn't sway me at start, but once i picked up on a red vibe from soniv i looked back at it and agreed.

seeya nerds

On December 05 2013 09:07 Promethelax wrote:


LSB = town? Nien. I am convinced that what LSB has done so far has been pro town and would not be hard to fake as scum. If he scum hunts well in next day he is town. If not he is scum. He is not someone I am interested in lynching d2. I am interested in lynching him d3 if he continues to provide only those things which are easy to provide as scum.

The attack on soniv shows a thought process that, while not one I totally agree with, seems to be trying to find scum. Its a townie kind of way to look at the world. I didn't feel like he was trying to justify lynching soniv he was trying to find scum.

On December 05 2013 09:24 Promethelax wrote:


I don't know your personality well I've played one game with you that I can remember and it was a hydra game where I wrote you/wave off as town early because you were town. I liked that Guitars Are Us was looking into things based on your personality and what he saw as differing from that. Having played scum I believe that would be a hard case to write as scum because he has to set himself up to 1v1 you and be the expert on you. Also the weird overstepping paranoia around your role/character names is a townie trait, its just so out there and precise in its out-there-ness that it smells like strawberries.

On December 05 2013 09:25 marvellosity wrote:

Everything you've said about geript has been flimsy as fuck. Far flimsier than what you're accusing gtrsrs of.

On December 05 2013 09:28 geript wrote:
Also, now that Warwick is out. I think it's a good time for everyone to claim their player and champion.

I'm Uzi and I'm playing twitch.

On December 05 2013 09:36 marvellosity wrote:
Just to give you a heads up, fabrication is not the same thing as interpretation.

On December 05 2013 09:43 marvellosity wrote:
You were defensive. You did lash out. These are not unfair interpretations of what you have done at all.

On December 05 2013 09:45 geript wrote:

So far from what I've gathered the hidden powers are mostly OPG abilities (mine is Spray and Pray). I don't mind risking triggering a OPG ability because it's not going to be consistent.


First off, Accountability. If abilities are used, we should know about it. Second, it gives us a ton of information about what people's mindset was and is. Third, people who roleplayed their player are more likely to be town IMO so for people who have lesser content it provides another potential way to evaluate them. Fourth, it makes scum guess who's chosen what. Fifth, at least a few people have claimed to have picked a champion based on their player; this gives us a way to check that.

Part of the reason for me coming out is because 1: It's night and 2: the fact that very few people claimed VT and that even fewer VT's claimed what they tried to take made me a bit suspicious because nobody claimed wanting to grab Twitch (mass damage seems like a pro-scum/3P thing).

I want to be very clear. I don't think that people with SKT players are necessarily scum just like I don't think that people with non-SKT names aren't necessarily scum. I'm betting that WoS and Kita mixed that up some both according to flavor and also provided other players to scum to use just in case.

Either way I gotta head to work. I'll try and read at work but no promises.

On December 05 2013 09:53 justanothertownie wrote:

In the recent Hogwarts game Harry Potter was scum. I wouldn't put to much weight on stuff like that.

On December 05 2013 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That means most likely one of you / Chezinu is lying.
I think Chezinu quite clearly claimed me visiting you.

Or i got roleblocked.

Could the guy who gave me the lantern come out of the closet and tell me what the fuck did it do?
Unless that happens i am calling shenanigans. Then it has to be mafia action.

On December 05 2013 23:49 sandroba wrote:
He also already knew he would be voting Rean before even looking at him. He didn't even bother to check if rean was scum in the game he used for meta. He seemed to be in a rush to justify all his reads when all of them were already fabricated. All his reasoning is bullshit. Yeah, this man is scum.

On December 06 2013 01:36 Mocsta wrote:

<b>Rayn<b>
Whats the <u>matter?</u>

On December 06 2013 01:53 gtrsrs wrote:



you're claiming thresh, then?

On December 06 2013 02:06 gtrsrs wrote:
thresh is one of, if not the, highest damage support in the game
i would say that all of his moves are signature, with the lantern and box being the most so. the box does more damage than cassieopieaiea ult. flay does a ton of damage. even hook does non-negligible damage.

what is your second ability?

On December 06 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:


If you clicked on the lantern, then you should have been protected from anything targeting you. If you didn't click the lantern, then you didn't get protected.

I checked, you can still use your ability if you clicked the lantern.


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I didn't see it asked, and Mig didn't provide an answer that I see - Mig, why did you target Jonny with your scream?

On December 06 2013 02:15 gtrsrs wrote:
that's literally why i didn't even list thresh in my list of non-damage-possible champs
his damage output is literally insane for a support

On December 06 2013 03:44 Chezinu wrote:


The invention of The Crown of Solomon was not by your ability. I see you claim to have taken 50 damage.. interestingly poor choice... Do you think rayn is that slow?

On December 06 2013 03:53 Chezinu wrote:
Seriously who would pick a character with 1 hp with the ability to see all?

On December 06 2013 03:53 Rean wrote:


So what you're getting at is Koshi, being scum, claimed to pick Viktor but actually left it for one of his scumbuddies down the line while he picked another role?

On December 06 2013 04:01 LSB wrote:
EBWOP

Do you have an exact idea of what your item does?

On December 05 2013 19:10 Koshi wrote:

I wanted to create an event with a big picture and normally all this should have been done in the thread. But hosts didn't allow that it seems so it is probably a night action. This is what it does.
+ Show Spoiler +

On December 05 2013 19:50 Koshi wrote:
Ah wait. I copy pasted a mistake. I fixed this to the hosts in a next message so the item should work properly.

I forgot I made that mistake.

In case X & Y have a different alignment and X & Z have the same alignment. Player Y will die.


The point of the item is to have baby go to his same alignement mother and the different alignment mother to be executed.

On December 06 2013 04:29 LSB wrote:

I am interested in if it has to be a "post in thread" thing or a "PM the host thing". It is an utterly broken item so I would like Koshi to clear this up

On December 06 2013 09:26 Risen wrote:
I don't think someone who is town gives the lantern to rayn.

On December 06 2013 09:36 Chezinu wrote:

I also checked you last night and you didn't do anything. WHY YOU LYING?!?!??!

On December 06 2013 09:38 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Well I'm not lying. So you are either mistaken, or a liar yourself.

On December 06 2013 09:39 Chezinu wrote:
Question, can you describe this lantern and how you obtained it?

On December 06 2013 09:41 Chezinu wrote:

oh ok, I'm still at the shops. I was hoping I could buy one and was wondering if it was good.

On December 06 2013 09:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
Chezinu needs to explain how the fudge he has an ability that lets him check half the players in the game. This is absolutely ridiculous.

On December 06 2013 09:49 Chezinu wrote:
I wonder if Third Party gets to quadruple their inert abilities? Nah, that would be ridiculous. Chezinu is definitely town.

On December 06 2013 10:14 geript wrote:
And now Chezinu is back to me having no clue whether to lynch or not. Like is fun to play with you at points chez, but it's also frustrating as hell.

Moc can you give me a summary point list on why Austin is scum. I saw it come up but read it during break in class and don't remember it.

On December 06 2013 11:37 geript wrote:

To clarify, if you were concerned with protecting the role of (Koshi) a player who had done nothing to confirm his towniness at that point then you could've just given the lantern to Koshi. Second, players > roles; by giving the lantern to Marv you protect 2/3 players assuming they're all town and reveal scum in the case of either Koshi/Rayn. Third, I think the whole super inventor plan is an exceptionally pro-scum plan because at best things start working on D3 or d4 at the earliest limiting action analysis for 1-2 days instead of starting it right at D2.

I could go on but I have a lot left to do at work and I have 2 tests which I didn't study for this past weekend because of have laryngitis.

On December 06 2013 13:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm thankin marv was scum. Like I didn't wanna say it when he was in the game but he's not now and I think his slot is probably scum. Disqus.

On December 06 2013 13:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
And scum are done shooting at me guys don't worry. N1 was an abberation. Now I'm scummy enough to lynch, stop protecting me.

On December 05 2013 13:17 Mig wrote:
This close to confirms VE as town, and pretty much 100% confirms him if ticklish is town. For VE to take over 250 dmg either multiple townies with large kp roles had to have shot him (unlikely considering he claimed to pick lux) or mafia tried to kill him. The fact that mafia only killed one person last night just adds to this.

On December 06 2013 23:54 austinmcc wrote:
soniv, do you disbelieve VE's claim of taking a solid amount of damage?

On December 06 2013 23:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jcarlsoniv is either scum or has no idea what's going on in this game.
We are not lynching VE.

On December 07 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

His role does not make him town. Picking parity cop as scum is good because you deny a strong town role (inv), there is a hidden ability in the role so you are not useless and you gain town credit because of your pick in the first place.

The thing is Koshi is gonna invent an item that publicly outs all reports on D3 (tracker/watcher/cop/etc.) and it proves VE has actually copped people and not done something else. If he has not copped people then he is scum, if he has he is town.

On December 07 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No jcarl, it's not possible. It's dumb and VE is not dumb.

On December 07 2013 00:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Lol why is it not possible?

I agree that VE isn't dumb, and that's exactly why I would expect something like that if he were a scum parity cop.

Scum have yet to lose a member, so it would be incredibly easy to bus one (especially a lurker one) to gain town cred.

On December 07 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

He needs to have checked someone already on N1.
If the check as published comes back as "X checked Y - came back same/different" then we know he has checked someone on N1. If the check comes back as "X checked Y - came back null" then he has not checked anyone on N1.

You are suggesting VE picked a parity cop as mafia, has another ability, but instead of using that he claims the ability and uses only the ability that does not help mafia in any way. That's fucking bullshit.

On December 07 2013 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

His role does not make him town. Picking parity cop as scum is good because you deny a strong town role (inv), there is a hidden ability in the role so you are not useless and you gain town credit because of your pick in the first place.

The thing is Koshi is gonna invent an item that publicly outs all reports on D3 (tracker/watcher/cop/etc.) and it proves VE has actually copped people and not done something else. If he has not copped people then he is scum, if he has he is town.

On December 07 2013 01:15 Roffles wrote:
Oats has been riding my dick cause he has nothing better to do than throw his votes away on someone of little relevancy.

He never makes a case, only says to other people, "Why not lynch Roffles?" over and over.

On December 07 2013 01:27 Roffles wrote:

I CAN DO THE SAME THING.
LYNCH ROFFLES.

LOOK AT ME IM USEFUL

On December 07 2013 01:39 Roffles wrote:

It's not what I think. It's what you think. I leave my fate in your hands now.

On December 07 2013 01:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
I'm curious about the interaction or lack thereof between Austin And jcarlsoniv. Both under heavy fire hut in like parallel universes

On December 07 2013 02:01 ticklishmusic wrote:


ebwop both def seem scummy to me, but why havent they even tried to redirect attention to each other? by making a good case on the other, they could have shown their towniness AND pushed a lynch on someone else simultaneously. almost seems like a noob mafia mistake to me, or just strange AF

On December 07 2013 02:25 sandroba wrote:
MZ you ain't reading the game. If you want to not be lynched you better get to it. Mig only claimed because chez somehow said he was cho and targeted JL. Please read the thread.

On December 07 2013 03:02 Chezinu wrote:
So, LSB why do you think I'm Twisted Fate?

On December 07 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Chezinu now you are acting anti-town.
You should be lynched if Koshi dies on N2.

On December 07 2013 03:13 supersoft wrote:


VE? why?

On December 07 2013 03:18 Chezinu wrote:
Guys, its just twisted fate that I'm like twisted fate.

On December 07 2013 03:21 Chezinu wrote:

How can I possibly waste a mafia roleblock by answering a question like that?

On December 07 2013 04:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
If we assume that either austin or M_Z is scum, it breaks into two scum teams pretty nicely I think.

On December 07 2013 04:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Oh? And what are these two scum teams?

On December 07 2013 04:24 ticklishmusic wrote:
Tentatively, I have:
Potential scum team 1: Austin/jaybrunage/jcarlsoniv/supersoft/??
Potential scum team 2: m_z/rean/kush/??/??

On December 07 2013 04:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Gonna need a bit more explanation for these, methinks.

Like, why couldn't kush and I be on the same team? He defended me the first time around. Although, he's defended most of the players in the game...so poor example.

Where is the connection for "potential scum team 1"?

What makes you put kush on team 2? I'm assuming you've seen something I missed.

Have you explained a scumread on supersoft?

On December 07 2013 04:41 Koshi wrote:
Minimum 6 scummers. Big game. Always more than 5.

On December 07 2013 05:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Ok sandro you and rayn are my stronger townreads and you're both on austin, I understand the case and agree with it and I don't think I can get enough headway on gtrsrs. I'll go with you today.

On December 07 2013 06:20 Chezinu wrote:

BUT BUT YOU ALREADY USE IT TODAY!