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On December 04 2013 10:10 austinmcc wrote:
I had MZ picked out as scummy from the way he was going after LSB. Going to reread MZ and a couple other folks, and will look at Jay now that he's come up, but I don't want to lynch any leading candidate.
On December 04 2013 10:23 austinmcc wrote:
VE, does MZ usually post a decent bit about you/your alignment?
On December 04 2013 11:27 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 04 2013 10:23 austinmcc wrote:
VE, does MZ usually post a decent bit about you/your alignment? Yes, but he usually follows it up with in-depth stuff about other players. His push on gtsrs is the only thing I remember outside of his shitfight with Mocsta.  Okay, that's fine. I really hated that he went through post after post after post to argue about your alignment, how many games you've played together, all these things you do as town and why you're town, then also dropped: Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 17:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Understanding VE 101 by MZ
So I have a pretty lengthy history with mislynching VE. As a result I believe I am very good at reading him and am willing to make strong reads based off what I see
Let’s go over VE this game. In the first 5 hours he makes 15 posts. They are one liners which don’t do much but let you know he’s following the game and thinking about it. By comparison, it takes VE 3 days to reach 15 posts in the game rayn linked. In the first 5 hours VE makes exactly 1 post. They have the same tone but they lack the same carefree nature that VE’s posts when he’s town have. These 15 posts constitute my early game read on VE and it only got stronger from there.
K can we get off my dick now? This shit is a little old especially since we all agree I am right. Post was just out of place. All these other VE posts about how he's the magical VE-whisperer, and then a post count analysis on D1 ish in a game with a long pregame and just completely ignoring other games. I dunno, this post smelled. MZ's interactions with LSB felt very...fluffy. Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 14:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I also really don't like LSB's claim. He's probably telling the truth about the role, but tryndamere is such a scum role it feels like he's trying to hide in plain sight by claiming it. He's barely posted so I can't really draw on a correlation between his behavior and possible motives for claiming but I don't like it and will be keeping a close eye on how he uses the role.
But let's leave gut feelings aside for now and get to some actual scum hunting. MZ doesn't like his claim but thinks he's telling the truth but might be hiding in plain sight and hasn't posted enough to draw conclusions about behavior. Then half or the majority of his posts from yesterday are just him sniping at LSB. + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim. On December 03 2013 12:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:04 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim. Yo, there have been multiple people questioning whether or not I'm actually Tyr and multiple people questioned whether even if I am Tyr if my self reported damage is correct. Sitting on my role is a horrible horrible idea and the quickest way to get lynched day 2. Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason This is horrible horrible reasoning for a townie. a) who cares what you are, I am of the opinion that the less information we give the scum team the better b) being concerned about getting lynched is a very scum oriented mindset, townies have nothing to fear from the lynch because they are inherently innocent, it is a scum mindset to focus on not getting lynched. c) nobody cares about how much damage you do, you took a scum role, it should never be used d) the collateral damage your role does means it should never be used to target one person Seriously LSB it's pretty clear you are not looking at this from a town angle. This is a PYP game, there are so many unknowns that the less kp townies throw around the better. The last thing I want to see is for this town to shoot itself to death while scum laugh their way to gg. You throwing kp around indiscriminately is the most blatantly anti town thing done in this thread so far. On December 03 2013 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:29 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On December 03 2013 12:04 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB I will take you using your role tonight as a scum claim. Yo, there have been multiple people questioning whether or not I'm actually Tyr and multiple people questioned whether even if I am Tyr if my self reported damage is correct. Sitting on my role is a horrible horrible idea and the quickest way to get lynched day 2. Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason This is horrible horrible reasoning for a townie. a) who cares what you are, I am of the opinion that the less information we give the scum team the better b) being concerned about getting lynched is a very scum oriented mindset, townies have nothing to fear from the lynch because they are inherently innocent, it is a scum mindset to focus on not getting lynched. c) nobody cares about how much damage you do, you took a scum role, it should never be used d) the collateral damage your role does means it should never be used to target one person Seriously LSB it's pretty clear you are not looking at this from a town angle. This is a PYP game, there are so many unknowns that the less kp townies throw around the better. The last thing I want to see is for this town to shoot itself to death while scum laugh their way to gg. You throwing kp around indiscriminately is the most blatantly anti town thing done in this thread so far. It is evident that we have significantly different opinions on playing the game. I have no idea why you would think I would not be all for verifying people's roles when I have made it a significant part of my Roleclaim crusade. wow, way to complete ignore everything I said, while at the same time verify my points that you aren't approaching this game from a town perspective. Roles =/= alignment, all you've done is blue hunt. The only people who benefit from that info are scum. Since gtrsrs looks like he's headed for a modkill might as well put my vote somewhere useful ##Unvote
##Vote: LSB On December 03 2013 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
To recap, all LSB has done is fish for blues.
On top of that, he's interested in confirming himself "so he doesn't get lynched." He's gonna use KP to confirm himself like I can't get over how anti town that is. And going back to his claim, I said this early on too, it has the feel of a scum trying to hide in plain sight by claiming a blatantly anti town role. On December 03 2013 12:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:35 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wow, way to complete ignore everything I said, while at the same time verify my points that you aren't approaching this game from a town perspective. Roles =/= alignment, all you've done is blue hunt. The only people who benefit from that info are scum. I don't you have read my filter at all Are you drunk? Because that would explain a lot of what's happened over the last couple hours. On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB
For the love of all that is town
Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting On December 03 2013 12:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:40 OdinOfPergo wrote:
so per my previous post... his logic doesn't matter in the past few hours as alls he's done in the past day and a half is still bad. You said it yourself odin, LSB's actions this game have appeared scum motivated. On December 03 2013 13:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:51 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB
For the love of all that is town
Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting Seriously? You seriously think the best way to make sure said KP isn't being thrown around is to let roles have free will over what to do? Last thing we need is a Heimerdinger getting two turrets out, or an Urgot making a focus fire on one champion an instakill. I have said time and time again that KP related roles should be claimed so they can be held accountable should they participate in suspicious actions. Okay, if you are vet/dt/medic you don't need to claim if you do not, but awnser this. Why shouldn't Vanilla Town Claim who they tried to pick or KP related roles claim the same? This is complete fearmongering and speculation. However: (1) It doesn't feel like he's pushing his LSB scumread in the same way he pushed his townVE read, or even his very early bit on gtrsrs. He's directly engaging LSB, but rarely, if ever, is asking other people about LSB, trying to get their votes, etc. It's just...poking at a dude who is doing scummy stuff, over and over. (2) I can understand finding "blue hunting" scummy. But in PYP games, THIS HAPPENS. People get caught based on picks, roles, power usages, it's...it's part of a PYP game. It's not odd for someone to hunt, and it's not TERRIBLE to hunt because it DOES catch a mafia or two in a lot of/most PYP/PTP games. I don't like MZ using the phrase "blue hunting" without ever seeming to discuss or consider that this is a different beast than a normal game, and blue hunting may not be the most scummiest thing ever. It's not the most blatant scummy stuff ever, but his were some posts that just didn't feel like they were DOING anything to me. Looking closer, apart from the gtrsrs stuff very early, just trying to build discussion, his filter is pewp imo. And the very fact that he'd try to start discussion early and then just...fade away into poking at LBS doesn't sit well with me. Having a couple townie posts early on into nothing always seems like what scumvets do.
Can we stop claiming austin had no scumreads now? This was waaaaay before MZ attacked Koshi btw.
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On December 07 2013 11:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 11:03 justanothertownie wrote:On December 07 2013 10:54 jaybrundage wrote:
Yea just finished reading MZ's filter I think that hes probably town he sounds sincere in alot of his posts. And austin is scum.
Part of the reason why I think austin is scum is the first part of the game He SOLELY (hyberbole) gives town reads. He gives town read after town read after town read. This is very easy for scum to do. They know who's town so they can go off little things in posts to try to establish rap with other townies. (if he thinks im town he must be town reading me line of thinking)
He then harps on MZ for bothering Koshi. Yes MZ is constantly bugging Koshi.
I think the reason for MZ's tunneling Koshi is a couple reasons.
A. MZ thinks Koshi might be scum.
B. Koshi is inventor so he can make sweet stuff that ideally would be given to townies.
C. Koshi being inventor IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE
D. Koshi is not contributing much to scum hunting
E Koshi being scum in MZ's eyes and is being ignored as a lynch candidate because of his Power Is driving MZcrazy and makes it keep coming back to Koshi to put pressure on him.
That is my idea why MZ kept bothering Koshi even tho hes not a lynch candidate atm.
Austin had MZ as scum really early in the game and before the whole Koshi thing. So because austin had MZ as scumread it gives him a free pass to harp on MZ about Koshi? To be honest MZ was being totally reasonable about Koshi, Koshi has been so fucking incredibly bad this game i don't even know what to think of him. Maybe we should lynch him on D3.
Fair point but I was adressing jay who claimed austin only gave townreads. Also just because MZs attack on koshi might be somewhat justified this doesn't negate austins earlier points against him.
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I never said itwas a STRONG scumread. Who even has a STRONG scumread at that point in the game?
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On December 07 2013 11:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point is it's not even a scumread to be taken seriously because austin himself says that does not necessarily make MZ scum..
But he is still saying he thinks MZ is scum and that's the point.
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On December 07 2013 11:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And for the record MZ explained his LSB stuff and it felt very genuine. Him pushing LSB and when people were not listening looking into other places.
So people were listening to his points about Koshi?
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On December 07 2013 11:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:See its shit like this that pisses me off the most right now. Like really? This is the best you can do?
This anger is justified though.
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On December 07 2013 11:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
idk what am i even doing. It's not my job to defend MZ.
Vote whoever you think is scum. I'm going to bed. You know what i think.
Yeah, I guess.
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On December 07 2013 10:39 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 10:38 supersoft wrote:On December 07 2013 10:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's not my point ss and i understand.
What i don't understand that there are no explanations for MZ votes yet only thing you are pushing for is reasoning for austin votes. Okay now I get it. @all: Obviously, I demand an explanation for every MZ vote, too! I btw. asked Mig twice or more often to offer his explanation! These MZ voters just disappeared. This makes me worry quite a bit!
Are you still there? What will you do?
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On December 07 2013 11:24 supersoft wrote:re... I was watching the most recent Thebigbangtheory-episode... and after that I reread austin. I know I look extremely terrible if I hammer this lynch in the wrong direction now, but I am going to vote MeapakZ. I reread austin and his MZ reads look fine to me. I just don't see him as overly scummy. I have my issues with MZs play... Screw it. Let's do this.
You are not alone with this problem.
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I really think austin is more likely to be town and I don't like the way rayn and jay pushed for his lynch/defended MZ.
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On December 07 2013 11:35 supersoft wrote:
still 6 fucking votes on Roffels.
We might aswell just kill that fucker. This guy really annoys me right now.
Aswell as everyone who just voted for no reason and went afk.
QFT
On December 07 2013 11:34 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 11:31 justanothertownie wrote:
I really think austin is more likely to be town and I don't like the way rayn and jay pushed for his lynch/defended MZ. Im trying to lynch who I think is most likely to be scum. This three way split sucks ass.
It does.
Sorry MZ but out of the two of you I really prefer austin to be town.
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On December 07 2013 11:36 jaybrundage wrote:This was just posted in the vote thread. Mkfuba why haven't you come in the thread at all?
Read again.
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On December 07 2013 11:44 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 11:32 mkfuba07 wrote:
I had a bunch of crap written out about my current thoughts, but most of it was unimportant so I erased it. What I feel is important to be said:
While I think Roffles should be taken care of somehow, I'm not voting for him. The wagon feels off, and it would feel like an empty vote.
The more I think about MZ, the more town I lean. He seems invested in the game, while austin and roffles have kinda checked out. He seems to want answers, not just seemingly arbitrary results. At first I was pretty convinced by austin's point against him regarding Koshi, but on reconsidering it it makes no sense. Why shouldn't he be suspicious of someone simply because they're not being lynched immediately? I'm just not seeing the scumminess.
That leaves me with austin. I wish I had more to contribute about austin, but a lot of what I'm considering "truth" has been told to me by other people. Something that I've inferred myself is that he didn't seem too concerned about being a lynch candidate. Sure, he posted a lot after he returned, and maybe that was in response to the votes on him (I don't have the time to check timestamps and such), but when he left he didn't give off the feel of someone being wrongly accused and up for mislynch. MZ, on the other hand, at least seems like he's defended himself against everything thrown at him and there's nothing more for him to do but wait. He seems agitatedly resigned, while austin just seemed relatively uncaring. So that's where my vote will go.
##Vote:austinmcc This post makes me think austin is a mislynch far more than anything that's been posted anywhere.
Why are you voting him then?
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On December 07 2013 11:47 jaybrundage wrote:
I bet VE was the person who was gonnna bus austin. With the vote's being so close together scum (VE) can switch the vote to a townie and avoid his mafia buddy being killed.
This makes no sense. Austin was the most likely wagon when VE put his vote on him and by switching now he would look ridiculously bad.
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On December 07 2013 11:57 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 11:49 justanothertownie wrote:On December 07 2013 11:47 jaybrundage wrote:
I bet VE was the person who was gonnna bus austin. With the vote's being so close together scum (VE) can switch the vote to a townie and avoid his mafia buddy being killed. This makes no sense. Austin was the most likely wagon when VE put his vote on him and by switching now he would look ridiculously bad. Austin was the most likely wagon. So therefore VE getting on the wagon early would help him get town cred. Smart scum do this. Good Scum Bus. VE would look bad however he's made this post. Indicating he was considering switching. Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 11:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 07 2013 11:32 mkfuba07 wrote:
I had a bunch of crap written out about my current thoughts, but most of it was unimportant so I erased it. What I feel is important to be said:
While I think Roffles should be taken care of somehow, I'm not voting for him. The wagon feels off, and it would feel like an empty vote.
The more I think about MZ, the more town I lean. He seems invested in the game, while austin and roffles have kinda checked out. He seems to want answers, not just seemingly arbitrary results. At first I was pretty convinced by austin's point against him regarding Koshi, but on reconsidering it it makes no sense. Why shouldn't he be suspicious of someone simply because they're not being lynched immediately? I'm just not seeing the scumminess.
That leaves me with austin. I wish I had more to contribute about austin, but a lot of what I'm considering "truth" has been told to me by other people. Something that I've inferred myself is that he didn't seem too concerned about being a lynch candidate. Sure, he posted a lot after he returned, and maybe that was in response to the votes on him (I don't have the time to check timestamps and such), but when he left he didn't give off the feel of someone being wrongly accused and up for mislynch. MZ, on the other hand, at least seems like he's defended himself against everything thrown at him and there's nothing more for him to do but wait. He seems agitatedly resigned, while austin just seemed relatively uncaring. So that's where my vote will go.
##Vote:austinmcc This post makes me think austin is a mislynch far more than anything that's been posted anywhere.
There is no towncred if he switches.
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On December 07 2013 11:58 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 11:58 justanothertownie wrote:On December 07 2013 11:57 jaybrundage wrote:On December 07 2013 11:49 justanothertownie wrote:On December 07 2013 11:47 jaybrundage wrote:
I bet VE was the person who was gonnna bus austin. With the vote's being so close together scum (VE) can switch the vote to a townie and avoid his mafia buddy being killed. This makes no sense. Austin was the most likely wagon when VE put his vote on him and by switching now he would look ridiculously bad. Austin was the most likely wagon. So therefore VE getting on the wagon early would help him get town cred. Smart scum do this. Good Scum Bus. VE would look bad however he's made this post. Indicating he was considering switching. On December 07 2013 11:44 VisceraEyes wrote:On December 07 2013 11:32 mkfuba07 wrote:
I had a bunch of crap written out about my current thoughts, but most of it was unimportant so I erased it. What I feel is important to be said:
While I think Roffles should be taken care of somehow, I'm not voting for him. The wagon feels off, and it would feel like an empty vote.
The more I think about MZ, the more town I lean. He seems invested in the game, while austin and roffles have kinda checked out. He seems to want answers, not just seemingly arbitrary results. At first I was pretty convinced by austin's point against him regarding Koshi, but on reconsidering it it makes no sense. Why shouldn't he be suspicious of someone simply because they're not being lynched immediately? I'm just not seeing the scumminess.
That leaves me with austin. I wish I had more to contribute about austin, but a lot of what I'm considering "truth" has been told to me by other people. Something that I've inferred myself is that he didn't seem too concerned about being a lynch candidate. Sure, he posted a lot after he returned, and maybe that was in response to the votes on him (I don't have the time to check timestamps and such), but when he left he didn't give off the feel of someone being wrongly accused and up for mislynch. MZ, on the other hand, at least seems like he's defended himself against everything thrown at him and there's nothing more for him to do but wait. He seems agitatedly resigned, while austin just seemed relatively uncaring. So that's where my vote will go.
##Vote:austinmcc This post makes me think austin is a mislynch far more than anything that's been posted anywhere. There is no towncred if he switches. But he could save a scum buddie. VE perhaps thinks he can wiggle his way out of it.
Why would he even bus that scumbuddy if it is the most likely wagon and he doesn't want to kill him?
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On December 07 2013 16:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My activity is dropping a significant amount because i do not care to put effort into a game where people got themselves modkilled or don't care about the game at all.
That being said i will be voting for Cagulation until someone shoots him dead or we vote him dead.
You better don't do that. I will go for your lynch if you do. Your scumreads are just people playing badly or not playing at all - I am not impressed.
On December 07 2013 20:22 Koshi wrote:
Also I am quite annoyed by the leaving bitches. Wtf do they expect when joining? This is probably last big game I join, but probably not... fucking 10 replaces and 5 modkills.
Ah well. Sad is sad.
Yes, it is sad. But you better stop complaining all the time and start to play the game because you don't do shit.
On December 07 2013 20:38 Koshi wrote:
Oh and I not playing poorly at all Mr rayn let's lynch townies all day everyday. Kkthx. Cuz it is proven that you yourself are incredible wrong about reads ALL the fucking time. So let's keep the X is bad talk away till you actually are figuring out the game. Because you are not. Proof? You lynched 2 townies. Kkthx rayn.
Stop provoking rayn and tell us who is scum.
On December 07 2013 20:57 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
supersoft i have no idea how your case is even a case. You bolded some words MZ wrote, you don't even say why they are scummy. The third quote does not even tell he is scum, it tells the opposite.
rereading LSB now. Yes this wouldn't be a case if it would have been about one of these here: jcarlsoniv jaybrundage justanothertownie Jonnylaw Oatsmaster ticklishmusic Coagulation Roffles Risen Onegu Rean but since my case was about MZ, who doesn't play completely random. It actually was a case. You can tell if MZ is scum or not. I believe the stuff I pointed out were little slips in his play. Of course I also had my doubts. It's not only black and white. I gauge the situation by considerin the pros and cons. That's analysis. I don't want to write up a piece of propaganda to get you to do something. I want to discuss my reads and I don't hide any evidence that might disprove my conviction.
I really don't understand what I have done to deserve an appearance on that list.
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