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On December 04 2013 04:47 bumatlarge wrote: @LSB I am not home, I have a little notebook doc of cool stuff there
@Sandroba LSB is dumb stupid and doesn't read the thread. He got lucky as shit. I agree. But you think he is scum and doesn't read the QT nor consults with his teamates either?
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On December 04 2013 05:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote: People voting LSB here is what I think: It is only possible LSB is scum if bum is scum.
If Bum is town and LSB is scum, LSB wouldn't have taken trynn, because his team would have told him not to do so since Bum was probably going to take it. If Bum is scum and LSB is scum, he could have dropped it to LSB, but I don't think that's the most likely scenario. If Bum is scum and LSB is town and just replaced in and didn't read bum's plans he could have went for tryn. This seems likely to me because LSB only noticed Bum didn't follow his own plan after BC called out bum on it. The other scenario is bum and lsb are town, which is also possible.
But the base line is, if you think LSB is scum vote Bum first. I bet you any amount you want that if LSB was scum and just replaced in he would have consulted with his team before picking something and they would have told him Bum was planning on picking trynn. I don't agree. Obviously bum being scum would fit in well but I don't think it is necessary for LSB to be scum. He is last to pick a champion -> not very likely to get any role. So why not try to get tryndamere who seemed like a very good scumrole? I'm pretty sure scum could have gotten any of eve/amumu/shaco pretty low. Tryn isn't even a good pick for scum since it is pretty obvious when you are using it. Scum likes to not be noticed.They couldn't be 100% sure bum was taking that role because no townie really wants it. Taking a risk with the lowest placed scum doesn't seem like a stretch to me. Good risk/reward ratio. Bum was the one who came up with the whole idea. If bum was town mafia would have a pretty good reason to believe he was taking that roleScum wants to have this role. Town doesn't. He is the last person to pick and chooses to go for it. Go figure. Don't agree that scum wants this role.Will look at bum for real now. Stuff came up...
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On December 04 2013 06:19 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I read Bum. I am not convinced he is scum. The only thing that looks really bad to me is how he tried to justify lynching jcarl over LSB. He tried to organize town and was one of the few people with a plan before the rolepicking. I also don't see the reason for him to claim picking tryndamere and not following through as scum. The only instance this makes a tiny bit of sense to me is if he is scum with LSB. If Bum took trynn as scum, he wouldn't ever be able to justify using it. Trynn is actually terrible for scum. It's pretty obivious when you are moving 5 pos and hitting people randomly that you aren't town. And if you don't plan on doing that why take it in the first place? Better to take some concentrated kp to eliminate threats quickly. But if he faked taking trynn and took something else it would give him town cred for never using the ability plus it would allow him to use whichever other role without suspicion. Too bad for him LSB didn't read the thread and randomly took trynn.
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No VE. If you are scum you have the concern of not screwing your team over. If you don't work with your team you are pretty much guaranteed to lose. As town and as last pick you are pretty much have no expectations of getting a role so I don't read much into him taking w/e. If he wants to argue that there is great logic behind his pick and it was his plan all along I won't bust his balls for it. I do believe LSB is bullshitting a little here and there, but not in a scum oriented way. He just seems stubborn and won't give in even when he realises he's made a bad call. That's my perception, but I'm not 100% convinced he is town either. I'm just pretty damn sure bum is scum and would like to deal with him first. Considering everything I said along with my previous acusation, I believe it is pretty reasonable to lynch bum and then decide on LSB.
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On December 04 2013 06:49 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 06:45 LSB wrote:On December 04 2013 06:39 Rean wrote:On December 04 2013 06:19 Mig wrote: Rean looks pretty terrible. Comes in 4 minutes after marv calls him out to respond, so seems to be actively reading the thread but posts nothing at all besides yelling at Roffles for being mean.
Rean what do you think about the current lynch candidates? Who do you plan on voting for?
Also where is supersoft. I would have expected him to be around by now and commenting on current events. His only case this game has been against LSB who he called scum but then he proceeded to say he isn't sure if he should be lynched today in the same post? He also said he was going to go do some meta research on him, did you ever do any of that super? I'm not actively reading the thread, just happened to be around at the time. And it really annoyed me that apparently it's okay to tell others to kill themselves over a fucking game. ATM I don't have any opinions on anyone, didn't really read that much of the thread. Prolly gonna find someone that looks town enough and go full sheep. +1 for not telling others to kill themselves over a game, it was a few steps to far. Should be addressed out of thread anyways, and possibly maybe filing a complaint to the moderators. However, lurking is probably the most anti-townie thing you can do and hopefully you can remedy that. I pmd the host account hoping they're gonna do something about it but nothing so far >.> Really rean, I think you are reading too much into that Roffles comment. I guess it's ambiguous, but when I read it I thought he meant kill yourself in game, i.e. use abilities to kill yourself and didn't find it that outrageous.
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On December 04 2013 08:13 Mig wrote: VE do you think bum is mafia? You are switching off of LSB just because you are lazy or what?
Marv/sandorba any concerns with everyone jumping on Bum without hesitation? Posting over the p h one now so ill be brief. I dont think there was no hesitation. I thought it was p4etty damn hard to get people to vote him and at this point pehaps a few scum moved in on him too.
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Sorry guys, I failed you, I shouldn't have trusted my instincts after so long without playing. If I'm alive tomorrow I'll try to do better. =/
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If by some chance I get killed tonight I would like to leave my best guesses for scum. I'll be more thourough if I survive.
supersoft austinmcc kenpachi JonnyLaw (Meapak)
LSB might be sk if there is one present.
cheers.
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I took 1 damage. Gonna head to bed, see you guys tomorrow.
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On December 05 2013 15:22 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 15:20 Rean wrote:
I don't understand the bold part, could you explain please? ^^ Under the section that talks about each hero and their role there is a link to a LoL page that shows how much each heroes attack/health is etc.
I want a link to that page. Considering you were sick as balls, I'm having a hard time swallowing that you took your sweet time looking trough champs in the league database. Also I'd like to know what does you other ability do.
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For that I would need to be sure about jonny first. I think it's time for a mass claim. Preferably from the bottom up.
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The night positions list is not as interesting as the draft list Koshi [2][1] - Viktor Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux jcarlsoniv [9][3] - Soft Blue claim, cannot deal damage Mig [12][1] - cho JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] - Karma StorrZerg [23][23] - khazix geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT? austinmcc [6][3] - Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] - Sandroba - [8][2] - Fiora Kenpachi[8][15] - Rean [16][2] Lux-> VT bumatlarge [16][12] -> Lux -> VT Onegu [17][5] Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role. Claim was done by BC justanothertownie - marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT Mocsta [1][5] fiddlesticks ->VT supersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen kushm4sta ticklishmusic - Taric Roffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal?
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Iirc there was someone else pretty low on the list that claimed Lux -> VT too, who was that?
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@kush I've looked at your filter and you've called almost every single person in the game town. Do you believe there is scum in this game? Who is looking suspicious?
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k my game plan is to wait for mz/austin/ss to come here and claim what they are and what they did last night, figure out who is most likely lying then kill one of them. sounds good.
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On December 04 2013 10:10 austinmcc wrote:Hoo boy everyone loves to talk about Tryndamere. JAT 'n' odin get townie points for asking LSB why bum not "following his plan" is super duper scummy. I don't get why saying you're going to pick some SUPER OBVIOUS role with KP and then not taking it makes you scum. [spoiler] Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 07:11 justanothertownie wrote:On December 03 2013 03:34 LSB wrote:Responses to things pointed at meOn not banning mafia roles: Comeon guys, if someone picks and uses a mafia role, you kill em because they are scum. No sane townie would ever use the mafia role. Sure it makes things harder for the town, but if the mafia dares try to use their role, they are painting an easy target on their back. Honestly I'd be okay with not having one or two flips for a guaranteed mafia kill. It would have been really easy to point out who took what role after a mass role claim. However I wasn't here for the ban phase and that is already over so I'm not going to comment on that On December 02 2013 14:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I also really don't like LSB's claim. He's probably telling the truth about the role, but tryndamere is such a scum role it feels like he's trying to hide in plain sight by claiming it. He's barely posted so I can't really draw on a correlation between his behavior and possible motives for claiming but I don't like it and will be keeping a close eye on how he uses the role.
Of course I'm going to pick that role when I (as well as BC) singled it out as a power role. I am surprised that I actually got the role even though I am dead last pick. Speaking of Which On December 02 2013 06:05 bumatlarge wrote: In this list, I'm going to try to take into account what people have said they would do. I don't expect people to follow this, but know that I will pressure people who are high on the list and do not want to disclose what they are picking.
15. bumatlarge - Tryndamere I feel like tryn is too threatening for mafia, and hopefully mafia won't take it, or I'll know. I hopefully won't use it. What's up with this Bum? I would like a roleclaim please (Bumatlarge) as well as what you picked if you were VT. Or you can claim you went Tryndamere and we can both confirm our roles tonight. I don't understand supersoft's argument so I won't respond to it unless someone can explain it to me. Reposting the claim listI admit that I skimmed so I might have missed additional claims. Can someone tell me if there are any discrepancies Koshi [2][1] - ViktorKurumi [4][6] - Big Bad WolfVisceraEyes [5][4] - Luxjcarlsoniv [9][3] Mig [12][1] - Urgot?JonnyLaw [14][11] Risen [15][15] StorrZerg [23][23] geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT?austinmcc [6][3] Meapak_Ziphh [6][14] Sandroba Fiora? Kenpachi[8][15] - VT?Rean [16][2] ?-> VTbumatlarge [16][12] -> BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Janna?justanothertownie marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claimgtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VTOdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VTMocsta [1][5] ? -> VTsupersoft [1][30] Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath -> VTraynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shenkushm4sta ticklishmusic TaricRoffles Coagulation jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal?LSB -> Tryndamere So you picked Tryndamere because it is a power role? I would have bought it if you said you picked it to confirm it is in the game but you are dead last on the draft list so besides that there is absolutely no reason to pick a scummy role. On December 03 2013 03:56 LSB wrote: Lastly I'm going to policy vote Bum for not following through with what he was pushing. Just for a point of reference in PYP2 (i think), I was SK and I pushed heavily a plan, and I deviated from it as a way to attempt to make sure I was invincible.
##Vote: Bumatlarge Where is the scum motivation for what Bum did? I don't see it. If his claim to pick Tryndamere made people look elsewhere that's pro town in my eyes. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: You are 100% sure Bum is scum because he said he was going to pick trynd.... and didn't?
LSB I don't want to lynch because he poosh his stuff way way way too hard. + Show Spoiler [Also his confirmation plan is sillypants] +However, his magical "I'ma spin x distance and that will confirm me yayayayaya" is bad idea because (1) nobody cares if he's tryndamere or not (sry, ain't nobody sitting going "HOLY BALLS LSB IS WAY TOO FOCUSED ON TRYNDAMERE AND SAYING HE'S TRYNDAMERE. I BET LIKE HELL HE REALLY ISN'T TRYNDAMERE, I'M TOTES GONNA CATCH HIM WHEN HE CAN'T DO TRYND STUFF); and (2) nothing confirms you as tryndamere (other known roles let people move around the list, other unknown roles probably do as well, and we have no way of confirming how much kp spinning slash actually deals. Therefore, moving and doing some damage just means you have a role that moves and does damage, probably trynd, possibly other things, but again nobody cares and don't spin on townies) Sand looks very townie just based on this - + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 20:41 sandroba wrote: I like your list, with exception of gtrs. The fact that he tried to take kasix and I believe mafia would have taken kasix pretty high is holding some weight for me. I would sub in ticklish for him. Picks out a read, gives a thoughtful reason why he disagrees, and I agree with his assessment of Kha'zix being a decently high mafia pick if they go for it. Mainly though it's just coming by reads from thinking about the game as a whole. i THINK this post is townie from bum, like...bum can't be scum because of it, but someone needs to argue with me Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 11:54 bumatlarge wrote: I think VT's who tried to take a role not claimed should say so, not all VTs. That leaves too much blue information public. Asking for a partial partial claim (VTs should claim but only this kind of VT) feels like someone who is actually thinking about why he does/doesn't want people to claim. Also, it seems like PYP games often catch some mafia by hunting down a missing role above a VT. Given that this usually works in town's favor from what I remember, I think this post is town. Yar? Don't want to lynch bum. This post is very townie-minded. Even if the rest of his filter is poopy, this keeps information hidden from scum - Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 11:54 bumatlarge wrote: I think VT's who tried to take a role not claimed should say so, not all VTs. That leaves too much blue information public. I had MZ picked out as scummy from the way he was going after LSB. Going to reread MZ and a couple other folks, and will look at Jay now that he's come up, but I don't want to lynch any leading candidate.
This post by austin has bullshit all over. His reasons to think I'm town are pretty weak. His reasons to go against bum's lynch and say bum is town, when he thinks I'm town and he is obviously not invested in the game and should be just sheeping someone he think is town are just terrible. He then throws his vote away on rean without even trying to get him lynched.
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He also already knew he would be voting Rean before even looking at him. He didn't even bother to check if rean was scum in the game he used for meta. He seemed to be in a rush to justify all his reads when all of them were already fabricated. All his reasoning is bullshit. Yeah, this man is scum.
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On December 05 2013 23:44 supersoft wrote: screw you sandroba. i am not claiming stupidly only because you say. if you think i am scum, because i was busy for the last days, i can only ignore you. i wont claim unless it's absolutely necessary or i got some results of my nightactions that might be beneficial. screw you back and start playing then, I'm content on lynching austin for now. Look at the shinnies I posted =)
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Btw if I'm right about austin, which I am, I'm pretty sure on another scum member too. =)
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^ yup My guess is that Rean took Kha'six, but got beatten to it by prom. I simply find it hard to believe he would have tried for it that low. That would explain austin mafia biased mindset saying that I'm townie for thinking mafia would take kha'six pretty high, since that was what happen. It's extremelly unreal for someone so disconected from the game pick out that post as a justification of me being town.
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