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On December 03 2013 12:51 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB
For the love of all that is town
Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting Seriously? You seriously think the best way to make sure said KP isn't being thrown around is to let roles have free will over what to do? Last thing we need is a Heimerdinger getting two turrets out, or an Urgot making a focus fire on one champion an instakill. I have said time and time again that KP related roles should be claimed so they can be held accountable should they participate in suspicious actions. Okay, if you are vet/dt/medic you don't need to claim if you do not, but awnser this. Why shouldn't Vanilla Town Claim who they tried to pick or KP related roles claim the same?
so how does this help town? Lets say everyone but vet/dt/medic's claim and there is suddenly huge kp somewhere and stuff. How do you know scum didnt fakeclaim something, YOU DONT KNOW JACK SHIT. And all it does is that it outs our blues so easy shots for scum.
The only reason LSB is still pushing this is because if he backs off, he INSTANTLY gets lynched, at least like this some people MIGHT think he is for real. He isnt. Lynch him.
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On December 03 2013 13:04 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 03 2013 12:51 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB
For the love of all that is town
Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting Seriously? You seriously think the best way to make sure said KP isn't being thrown around is to let roles have free will over what to do? Last thing we need is a Heimerdinger getting two turrets out, or an Urgot making a focus fire on one champion an instakill. I have said time and time again that KP related roles should be claimed so they can be held accountable should they participate in suspicious actions. Okay, if you are vet/dt/medic you don't need to claim if you do not, but awnser this. Why shouldn't Vanilla Town Claim who they tried to pick or KP related roles claim the same? so how does this help town? Lets say everyone but vet/dt/medic's claim and there is suddenly huge kp somewhere and stuff. How do you know scum didnt fakeclaim something, YOU DONT KNOW JACK SHIT. And all it does is that it outs our blues so easy shots for scum. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 09:05 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 08:48 sandroba wrote:
@LSB
MAN. You get no notifications this game. What happens is people will be informed they received X amounts of dmg and the results of their actions. Half the abilities of the heroes are unknown information. So you can't hold anyone accountable for anything. Please. Read the rules and think about your plan first. I have read the rules, in fact I think you should go over the rules and abilities too as well as think for a bit before critiquing a plan. What mass claims seeks to accomplish is twofold. 1) Firstly to confirm claims and locations of dangerous roles. For example my role can potentially be dangerous if I abuse it too much. A massclaim allows me to verify that I hold onto the role. We can verify this threefold. First of all we can look at the position on the list, that is a piece of public information. Second of all we can compare how much damage people took. For example if I lied about my damage and instead say I did 800 damage each, people would easily be able to tell. Tonight when I verify my role people will be able to verify how much damage I do also. Thirdly there are tracker roles so we can verify claims that way 2) To check the abilities of said dangerous roles and make sure they are not abused. The classic example is my role. If I use it only to verify the fact that I have the role, it is only a few instance of 50 damage. However if I did not claim and just spent my time running around laughing like an idiot, I could easily do 250 damage a night. We are significantly checking mafia KP. Why we cannot accomplish these two objectives without a mass claim. This is because there are roles that augment anothers power. My role is very meaningless by itself. But if you add on abilities that allow me to do more damage than usual, suddenly my damage is multiplied by a ton. Without a mass role claim mafia can easily hide a huge amount of damage through disruptive roles and agumenting them confusing the town. We need to know what we are facing, and who is controlling what to account for that. Likewise without a role claim people could use their abilities with no fear, allowing mafia to have unchecked power. There is a huge accusation on Kurumi atm. What if Kurumi did not claim at all? and instead sat alone at night killing Koshi? This would be a serious problem and we would have no idea who was doing so much damage to an important role.
None of this stops mafia from fakeclaiming. There are too many roles that fuck with people and list position.
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On December 03 2013 13:26 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 03 2013 13:04 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 03 2013 12:51 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB
For the love of all that is town
Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting Seriously? You seriously think the best way to make sure said KP isn't being thrown around is to let roles have free will over what to do? Last thing we need is a Heimerdinger getting two turrets out, or an Urgot making a focus fire on one champion an instakill. I have said time and time again that KP related roles should be claimed so they can be held accountable should they participate in suspicious actions. Okay, if you are vet/dt/medic you don't need to claim if you do not, but awnser this. Why shouldn't Vanilla Town Claim who they tried to pick or KP related roles claim the same? so how does this help town? Lets say everyone but vet/dt/medic's claim and there is suddenly huge kp somewhere and stuff. How do you know scum didnt fakeclaim something, YOU DONT KNOW JACK SHIT. And all it does is that it outs our blues so easy shots for scum. On December 03 2013 09:05 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 08:48 sandroba wrote:
@LSB
MAN. You get no notifications this game. What happens is people will be informed they received X amounts of dmg and the results of their actions. Half the abilities of the heroes are unknown information. So you can't hold anyone accountable for anything. Please. Read the rules and think about your plan first. I have read the rules, in fact I think you should go over the rules and abilities too as well as think for a bit before critiquing a plan. What mass claims seeks to accomplish is twofold. 1) Firstly to confirm claims and locations of dangerous roles. For example my role can potentially be dangerous if I abuse it too much. A massclaim allows me to verify that I hold onto the role. We can verify this threefold. First of all we can look at the position on the list, that is a piece of public information. Second of all we can compare how much damage people took. For example if I lied about my damage and instead say I did 800 damage each, people would easily be able to tell. Tonight when I verify my role people will be able to verify how much damage I do also. Thirdly there are tracker roles so we can verify claims that way 2) To check the abilities of said dangerous roles and make sure they are not abused. The classic example is my role. If I use it only to verify the fact that I have the role, it is only a few instance of 50 damage. However if I did not claim and just spent my time running around laughing like an idiot, I could easily do 250 damage a night. We are significantly checking mafia KP. Why we cannot accomplish these two objectives without a mass claim. This is because there are roles that augment anothers power. My role is very meaningless by itself. But if you add on abilities that allow me to do more damage than usual, suddenly my damage is multiplied by a ton. Without a mass role claim mafia can easily hide a huge amount of damage through disruptive roles and agumenting them confusing the town. We need to know what we are facing, and who is controlling what to account for that. Likewise without a role claim people could use their abilities with no fear, allowing mafia to have unchecked power. There is a huge accusation on Kurumi atm. What if Kurumi did not claim at all? and instead sat alone at night killing Koshi? This would be a serious problem and we would have no idea who was doing so much damage to an important role. None of this stops mafia from fakeclaiming. There are too many roles that fuck with people and list position. I agree if not every townie with an ability to mess with position reveals their actions we would not be able to replicate what happens. This is why we need a mass roleclaim, this way we can verify any mafia fakeclaims as see what exactly happens at night. In addition without a mass claim trackers would be an almost useless role because what they see could be very well meaningless. Fakeclaims can be exposed, yes it takes some work, but finding contradictory actions are an easy way to pin down a mafia.
What do we see at night LSB? Multiple people losing hp, list positions moving and maybe rb's/watcher/tracker. How are you gonna pin it down to like 1-2 people fakeclaiming? ??? All it does it waste HUGE amounts of time.
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On December 03 2013 14:45 geript wrote:
Look guys, we need to start consolidating targets. 14 votes (of 30) spread between 8 targets. This reads automatic mislynch unless people get their shit together. Vote for Oats cos Oats totes scum Brahs.
I havent seen jack shit from you this game geript.
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I just find it really funny how you say 'lynch oats' at least 6 times and have 1 sentence explaining why. On November 30 2013 20:04 geript wrote:
Oh god. Now we have to lynch oats too.
On December 03 2013 04:46 geript wrote:
Ok I can understand that knda (need to filter him again to remember) but why not either the other 2? More importantly why not Oats? He has like a 100% chance of flipping scum AND the shitz 'n giggles afterwards will be the bombasaurus red.
On December 03 2013 11:37 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 11:30 JonnyLaw wrote:On December 03 2013 11:14 geript wrote:
I'm really confused by all these guys who think I might be scum. There's like 110% town flip for me based on my play alone. I really don't get it. Isn't every read based on play? Why do you think your play is so transparent? You've been jumping on people all game in a seemingly random fashion. You distract more than contribute. That's generally a pretty strong reason for me to be town. Either way I'm feeling a Oats more than jcarl. Meh whatevs.
On December 03 2013 14:45 geript wrote:
Look guys, we need to start consolidating targets. 14 votes (of 30) spread between 8 targets. This reads automatic mislynch unless people get their shit together. Vote for Oats cos Oats totes scum Brahs.
On December 02 2013 15:28 geript wrote:
##vote oats (change from jay) fuck that oats. U gonna die. I've had a scum read on you since like a while.
On December 03 2013 01:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 23:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 01 2013 23:02 supersoft wrote:On December 01 2013 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote:On December 01 2013 22:13 supersoft wrote:On December 01 2013 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
SS pretty scummy this looks like a cheap countermove to this: On December 01 2013 02:11 supersoft wrote:yes i know. but this banning discussion is terribly boring... i wanted to join this game day2... that's why i didnt replace in immediately. Another aspect. Oats is so calm and somehow reasonable. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Oatsmasterhe's actually even defending me a little (even though he didnt really read my posts). Your thoughts? lol what? seriously? we're already at the point where you just "lol what?" my posts? You said I am scummy. You didn't give any reasoning. I called you out before for soft-defending me randomly without actually reading my stuffthen one day later you randomly appear and call me scum. I point out, that this looks like a cheap countermove and you answer "lol what?" I think you're just posting without reading anything in detail. That's extremely scummy man. I don't know I won't talk about ongoing games here. by "lol what" I mean how in the world are you calling me scum for something that didnt even happen. This post really stood out to me. This doesn't read as a normal Oats reaction to me. It's like he feels the need to defend himself but isn't actually willing to be in the spotlight in this manner. Honestly, this game it feels like Oats is trying to pick a fight with me just to pick a fight with me because that's what town oats does. It's very similar to his game in hydra (with Rayn) where he rumbled with Mocsta because he had a history of Oats/Moc bitchfests as town in his recent history.
On November 30 2013 20:57 geript wrote:
Yah so Oats and Jay should both be picking 25,25. They're both scum.
On December 01 2013 00:28 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 21:19 marvellosity wrote:
rayn don't be ridiculous.
You can't come in here with nice ideas about some sort of picking order and arranging players and then bitch out of doing anything sensible because Oats is annoying you. Go have a smoke or something. First off, I don't think that rayn is being ridiculous. Second off, Oats is scum.
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sorry you said lynch oats 7 times and said I was scum for purposely picking a fight with you. Right.
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On December 03 2013 14:54 geript wrote:
Meh. You die now. You die later. You die by gunshot. You die by a thousand needle pricks. Makes no diff to me. I've come to reasilze that people really don't give a flying fuck what I say or how I say it so I really cba to do more than put my thoughts in the thread.
Yeah the reason people dont give a flying fuck what you say because you dont explain ANYTHING.
Maybe its cause you dont actually have any reasons to think im scum.
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Hey hey MZ, what do you think of Geript?
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I dont understand all these Kush pushes.
I think Kush is scummy still regardless of meta. If a player is known for playing badly and plays badly push them for more if they're town. If not, push them get a scum read. Why are you guys so comfortable letting him sit around flinging dirt on everyone then bandwagoning whatever is convenient?
Sounds like you want to lynch kush for bad play rather than for being scum. Which one is it?
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I like how effort = town, right rayn?
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On December 03 2013 16:23 JonnyLaw wrote:
I don't know. I didn't like how he entered the thread. Seemed to be pushing the town in different directions with no real plan. I don't have any meta to play with but he's not helpful to town I guess?
What? Why dont you go find out about the meta? Explain the pushing town thing.
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loool
grtsrs, how the picks work in terms of tiebreaker.
1. Highest unique first number
2. Highest unique second number
3. Both numbers the same
4. Didnt pick.
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On December 03 2013 21:56 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 16:22 Oatsmaster wrote:I dont understand all these Kush pushes. I think Kush is scummy still regardless of meta. If a player is known for playing badly and plays badly push them for more if they're town. If not, push them get a scum read. Why are you guys so comfortable letting him sit around flinging dirt on everyone then bandwagoning whatever is convenient?
Sounds like you want to lynch kush for bad play rather than for being scum. Which one is it? What's bullshit about it is that all those geript pushes were the exact same but you were more than happy to lead the voting there.
I had actual reasons dude. Anyway I changed my mind about that part. LSB dies.
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Sandro why are you begging marv to believe you, rather than convincing other people that bum is scum?
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lol what.
Bum, who other than jcarl do you think is scum?
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On December 03 2013 22:29 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 22:14 marvellosity wrote:On December 03 2013 21:56 geript wrote:On December 03 2013 16:22 Oatsmaster wrote:I dont understand all these Kush pushes. I think Kush is scummy still regardless of meta. If a player is known for playing badly and plays badly push them for more if they're town. If not, push them get a scum read. Why are you guys so comfortable letting him sit around flinging dirt on everyone then bandwagoning whatever is convenient?
Sounds like you want to lynch kush for bad play rather than for being scum. Which one is it? What's bullshit about it is that all those geript pushes were the exact same but you were more than happy to lead the voting there. What's bullshit is that you keep talking about Oats at the expense of anything else when Oats isn't getting lynched. Shape up. There aren't other horses I like. I don't trust Oats push on LSB. Sure the Oats scum storyline makes sense, "Well I can't drop this because it's not happening because then people will instantly call me scum for not 'believing in /pushing' my plan". Sure it makes sense, but the flip side is also true as town you're likely to push that shit regardless. Also, Rayn I'm pretty sure is scum. He was a big push in the graves ban. More importantly town Rayn doesn't consider voting his early town reads. Like never and especially not D1. I think he's being opportunistic in who he's targeting.
Nope thats bullshit. Town know when their plan is shit. The last time I saw someone hold to such a bad plan was Risen in Chrono trigger. he was scum
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On December 03 2013 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Town don't just inherently know if thier plan is shit Oats. Where do you get this stuff?
Dude, you know your plan is shit when its the only thing you do the ENTIRE day 1 and people arent even doing it.
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JAT's read on LSB is really weird.
LSB looks really bad but MZ is scummy for attacking someone who looks really bad?
And his points for MZ being scummy.
1. Attacking LSB for his plan cause its the only fucking thing he has done the whole game.
2. Townies dont FIRST think, oh I should try not to get lynched, let me confirm myself. Townies think, hey is he scum? Lets lynch him.
His read on LSB seems to make it easy for him to jump on and off the wagon depending on what happens later. Meh/bad.
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ooo geript has another read. Finally.
Yeah I could lynch bum, dunno what kush is talking about.
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