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LBS is scum
On December 02 2013 09:07 LSB wrote:
Okay here is my DANGER DANGER list of roles who I want public. Should mafia get their hands on them and use them to their own devices it is basically gg. Viktor, Heimerdinger, Tryndamere, Janna, Kha'Zix
Now there is no way we would be able to tell who is who unless we have a mass claim. It's already late enough that we don't have a picking planed up. I would advice everyone to try to go for either the roles I listed or the roles BC listed.
Keep in mind, mafia did ban out all of the DT roles, so they probably have no problems with a mass claim. However, it is much better to have control and an idea of what these power roles are doing, rather than let mafia use them on their own.
I thought about this a little. I think scum was afraid of a massroleclaim in the pick and ban phase. Sandroba was right with his post (100%bluetown etc).
So what did LBS do. At first, he mentioned that scum banned out the detective roles. However that doesnt mean they have no problem with a massclaim. But that's not true. That was just one thing mafia did to keep the damage lower. Maybe they anticipated a roleclaim but as sandroba said. a roleclaim would still have been strong.
On December 02 2013 09:27 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.
Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia. This post is totally wrong but i don't really care because people won't follow the plan anyways. I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment.However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt
then he agrees with BC who is basically against a roleclaim. BUT as a compromise he wants a late roleclaim!!!
On December 02 2013 11:05 LSB wrote:Everyone roleclaim after roles are given
and this after-pick-mass-roleclaim looks like the original sandroba roleclaim. But it really isnt' now you have the disadvantages of a roleclaim (free bluesniping) and you DONT have the advantage of a 100% bluetown.
On December 02 2013 13:16 LSB wrote:
You have chosen Tryndamere!
I can change my position up to 5 players away on the signup list, dealing 50 dmg to each player
EDIT: Due to rules
and this fits also in the picture. After he picked Trynda and realized he deals like 0 damage, he claimed and made his pick look harmless.
I will be back later and do some meta research.
Not sure, if we should lynch him today...
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On December 02 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ugh, i hate second doubts..
supersoft, you have played in at least one PYP game before. How can you possibly misunderstand how the draft & picking numbers work?
I didnt remember how they worked. + I was scum back then. I remember that this was an extremely confusing game for me and we got slaughtered at d2.
by Mig btw. who performed 100000 times better back then, compared to now.
Last game he was a vig and therefor excused. I wonder why he doesnt do much this game.
I also remember that gtrsrs kurumi iGrok game!
that was my second mafiagame ^_^
the scumteam surrendered day2 or so
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On December 02 2013 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Mig said he was sick so i would not read too much into his absence at least yet.
true.
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On December 02 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
supersoft do you have anything to add/say about cases on jcarl & gtrsrs?
haven't read their filters yet.
I just wanted to throw the LBS thing out there, because i couldn't find peace until i posted it.
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On December 03 2013 07:17 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 07:07 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 07:03 sandroba wrote:
@lsb i did roleclaim, but i don't think anyone should be doing this yet. So I can mark you down as Fiora then? Maybe when people actually do something and put forward some actual info role claims can be beneficial/necessary. I don't get this. Can you please explain? what useful info can you derive from people claiming their roles right now? When a bunch of dudes come foward with what they did at night and we can see the end result, we can try to sort it out if we think it's gonna lead us to finding mafia. Right now I don't see a benefit to town of knowing who has X or Y role. I.E if someone used their head and actually picked nocturne I wouldnt want him to be roleblocked/killed as it's the only info role left.
who the fuck are you?
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i just reread. Marv, sandro, you said you have a hard time imagine that LBS might do that as scum.
Do you think it's too cocky? Because I thought it might be pretty cocky... Openly pushing a strange plan.
But as i pointed out. It did only look like a variation of the original plan...
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But I agree, we can put him on hold.
Kurumi should be town. If I remember correctly, this is his townplay. Just his activitylvl implys he's town.
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haha, i had a similar misunderstanding of the numbers as gtrsrs
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On December 03 2013 09:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:53 LSB wrote:On December 03 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LSB - Could you do some scumhunting instead of just mindlessly yelling everyone to massclaim? Like i know it's the best idea but when people are not willing to do it there is nothing you can do about it. Right now it seems like you are intentionally shouting for an idea that's pro-town but what you can never achieve. What's the point? I think this is the most important thing that needs to get done and that's why I am pushing for it so hard. I do not understand why you think I should "give this up" an idea that you admit is "pro town". I am more concerned about doing things that will be very important to the town as a whole, and someone needs to do this and I decided to do it. If you want a scum read I'd say I'd read you as red, I can understand if you are saying stop yelling for massclaim because it is bad for XYZ. But to say stop yelling for massclaim even though it is a good idea stinks of casual sabotage. I would rather have your support for a plan you admit is "pro town" rather than attempting to dissuade it before it is completed. Can't really believe no-one brought this up yet. LSB shot up several points on my scumdar for this. I actually think it's kinda insane that LSB picks out rayn as a red-read. Like I'm finding it very difficult to believe.
that only shows he isn't followin the thread correctly and at the same time posting before thinking.
On December 03 2013 09:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is the deal with LSB:
I think he was scum (or was he SK - anyways not town) in another PYP game where he made the same plan. While the plan is pro-town at some point it became very clear people will not follow it. He continued on hiding behind just stubbornly yelling "yo guys you need to claim" and did nothing else. Good place for scum to hide when they know the plan is not gonna work out anyways, no need to do any actual scumhunting.
Smells like same shit here.
however if this is true, it's a great catch.
I need to read this for myself.
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On December 03 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 20:51 marvellosity wrote:On December 03 2013 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is there anything that supports the argument that he went and read my town games? The fact that he said that you had an aggressive attitude in those games, which is why he backed off the read on you here (which is basically what he attributed it to). So in case he is scum and therefore knows i am town he could have not make that kind of an observation based on my posting in this game? I mean, it's quite easy to assume i post quite similarly than in my other town games. Before coming back he has never mentioned me in his filter. I would assume being his only scumread he would at least mention me no?
i wouldn't read too much into this, rayn...
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On December 03 2013 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 21:00 marvellosity wrote:On December 03 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 03 2013 20:51 marvellosity wrote:On December 03 2013 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is there anything that supports the argument that he went and read my town games? The fact that he said that you had an aggressive attitude in those games, which is why he backed off the read on you here (which is basically what he attributed it to). So in case he is scum and therefore knows i am town he could have not make that kind of an observation based on my posting in this game? I mean, it's quite easy to assume i post quite similarly than in my other town games.Before coming back he has never mentioned me in his filter. I would assume being his only scumread he would at least mention me no? Seems a pretty weird mafia-ploy to call you mafia for the same reasons he's going to call you town for later. *shrug* The point is he called me "earlier mafia now town" in the same post of his. Another weird thing i just noticed is he claims he has been involved in the game by reading my past games. However he was not enough involved to send in draft numbers.
didnt he replace someone who didnt sent in numbers?
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On December 03 2013 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i am talking about ticklishmusic. apparently you are talking about LSB.
lol -_-
you didnt mention names in your posts.
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re. had the most stressful day imaginable :-o
brb rereading.
Not sure if i want to see bum dead today.
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okay there is an insanely strong wagon on bum :D
sandroba, mig, marv, VE, LBS...
what did he do? modconfirmed scum or what?
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On December 03 2013 22:42 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 22:40 sandroba wrote:
And that's 20min trying to think of a bullshit explanation for your post. I bet you wished you hadn't made that post bum. You sure saved me a lot of typing =). Your reasons are pretty bad, just because I'm acting weird, doesn't mean I'm mafia. Which is pretty much what you are saying. Do you think LSB is mafia?
lol okay. I get it...
combined with the fact that he did not pick what was in his list. well... really scummy.
But i had a good feeling about him
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=39
right there. at this point of the game, the thread was somehow not there, where i wanted him to be.
We needed the rolepicking discussion.
That discussion happened too late to coordinate the action.
Both, Bum and I came in the thread with a similar mindset. That gave me a good feeling about him.
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On December 04 2013 09:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 09:31 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 09:29 marvellosity wrote:
lol jay is mafia. Christ. Is this like you're agreeing with me thing or a "you're out of your fucking mind again geript" thing? It's a "I just got to his post in the thread and it's fucking terrible thing". His last 3 posts Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 06:50 jaybrundage wrote:
My reasoning for going after Marv is because I played a good scum game and I'm very wary of him cause he won the game for his team. Would scum go after a Vet like Marv let alone my scum play. I basically lurk super hard as scum I wouldn't go after someone like Marv because that would draw unwanted attention. Regardless read my meta or drop the case, cause its shit. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 06:50 jaybrundage wrote:
VE gimme some of your scum reads so I can go reread filters later tonite. Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 07:56 jaybrundage wrote:
I really liked LSB's post about Bum.
Also sandro's had some good points too.
##Vote Bumatlarge
Also i have been seeing this crop up.
I'm a VT I tried to take lux. Last post is almost directly a scumclaim it feels like. I don't know if I'm overreacting.
the last three posts look terrible - yes.
his filter is short and his interest in this game dramatically decreased based on his posts.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=jaybrundage¤tpage=2
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On December 04 2013 10:05 Mig wrote:
Bum you mentioned earlier that you don't have a scum oriented role. 2 hours before you are lynched would be a pretty good time to claim it.
true. Give us something.
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Marv, Mig since you're here. Why is bum more scum than LBS...
On December 02 2013 23:27 supersoft wrote:LBS is scum Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 09:07 LSB wrote:
Okay here is my DANGER DANGER list of roles who I want public. Should mafia get their hands on them and use them to their own devices it is basically gg. Viktor, Heimerdinger, Tryndamere, Janna, Kha'Zix
Now there is no way we would be able to tell who is who unless we have a mass claim. It's already late enough that we don't have a picking planed up. I would advice everyone to try to go for either the roles I listed or the roles BC listed.
Keep in mind, mafia did ban out all of the DT roles, so they probably have no problems with a mass claim. However, it is much better to have control and an idea of what these power roles are doing, rather than let mafia use them on their own. I thought about this a little. I think scum was afraid of a massroleclaim in the pick and ban phase. Sandroba was right with his post (100%bluetown etc). So what did LBS do. At first, he mentioned that scum banned out the detective roles. However that doesnt mean they have no problem with a massclaim. But that's not true. That was just one thing mafia did to keep the damage lower. Maybe they anticipated a roleclaim but as sandroba said. a roleclaim would still have been strong. Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 09:27 LSB wrote:On December 02 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.
Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia. This post is totally wrong but i don't really care because people won't follow the plan anyways. I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment.However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt then he agrees with BC who is basically against a roleclaim. BUT as a compromise he wants a late roleclaim!!! Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 11:05 LSB wrote:On December 02 2013 10:29 StorrZerg wrote:
whats your plan lsb? Everyone roleclaim after roles are given and this after-pick-mass-roleclaim looks like the original sandroba roleclaim. But it really isnt' now you have the disadvantages of a roleclaim (free bluesniping) and you DONT have the advantage of a 100% bluetown. Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 13:16 LSB wrote:
You have chosen Tryndamere!
I can change my position up to 5 players away on the signup list, dealing 50 dmg to each player
EDIT: Due to rules and this fits also in the picture. After he picked Trynda and realized he deals like 0 damage, he claimed and made his pick look harmless. I will be back later and do some meta research. Not sure, if we should lynch him today...
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