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On December 19 2013 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I stopped not lynching people who are lying when there is no reason to lie.
1k hp =/= 1150 hp and noone does not write their hp properly because of "it's hard to write 1150". Everything else i could buy but not that. If he is town it's unfortunate but the esiest solution is he is not town.
Why do you have to be like that this game. Seriously this is the worst reasoning for this lynch I heard until now.
So you would buy that Mocsta told us he is a marksman and claimed a player who isn't a marksman but you don't buy that he wrote 1k instead of 1150? I don't understand you.
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On December 19 2013 02:32 Koshi wrote:Oats mentions: In Coag filter: 0 times In JL filter: 1 time + Show Spoiler +On December 06 2013 12:06 JonnyLaw wrote:
Yeah Oats that's exactly what I said. I'll lynch him is transparent. In MZ filter: Chainsaw early defense with the random "I don't know what Oats is doing" + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 15:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Yo VE calm your shit.
Also geript, can I see something substantial on oats other than "dis motherfucker gonna die"? On December 02 2013 16:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:16 Oatsmaster wrote:MZ, whats your read on Rayn since he is so wrong about VE  I've always thought he was town because of his D0 stuff. That hasn't changed. Someone can be wrong on a read and still be town, wrong =/= scum. On December 02 2013 16:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still fail to see how anything gtrsrs has done serves "anti-town agenda". I don't think he is working with any agenda at all, which points towards town. MZ why are you not calling me scum because i said i will pick a KP-role and shoot Oats until he dies? It was his post about the quality of the thread that really set me off since it was such bullshit and he then proceeded to post more bullshit. Scum love threads where there is a lot of bullshit and that's what he was contributing to.
As to your second point, I have a town read on you, I haven't paid too much attention to oats but if you have kp and decide to shoot him I'd appreciate we discuss it first.Actually I have no idea what your second point is about. If you're asking me as to why I don't have a meta read on you it's because I haven't played with you as much/I don't remember you very much from previous games. On December 04 2013 14:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
ok guys keep in mind my last post was somewhere in the 90s pages so I have a lot of ground to cover. I've been suspicious of geript so I am more than willing to consider a geript lynch, I just like to understand what changed to get other people to agree with me.
I'm not being lazy oats, I just wanna know if I should watch for anything. On December 04 2013 16:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
here's what I got out of geript:
never once does he properly analyze oats and is content to simply lean on his "gut read"
he constantly talks about both oats and jay but never really tries to get people to join him and instead simply tells people to vote them because his targets are guaranteed scum.
The biggest thing I get out of geript is a bunch of noise and posts without doing anything substantial. For instance, he has his main targets but he brings up others on the side and never follows up. He's in that twilight zone where you can't blame him for the bum mislynch but he was definitely involved.
Probably the biggest thing in geript's favor is calling out people like austin and coag, both of whom are low content lurkers. If he's scum he could be bussing his teammates but it's a point in his favor that he doesn't let them fall through the cracks. However the reason why this doesn't clear him is because he never follows up with any of this. It's easy enough to call out lurkers as scum but he never actually follows through which makes me think this was an effort to appear protown.
geript is frustratingly inconclusive for me. He's done things I feel are scummy (hence my gutread) but I couldn't put it into a coherent analysis. This is the problem I was running into earlier in the game when I was looking at geript and sadly bum's death hasn't really made it any easier. He could be scum but I'd rather look into bum's other suspects right now. On December 05 2013 14:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
rayn I could get behind you on rean. idk what the fuck oats and mocsta are doing but it's not productive right now, you're both shitting up the thread.
Actually rayn I have one question, what are your updated thoughts on LSB and gtrsrs since you haven't mentioned either in a while and they both played prominently D1?
On December 12 2013 15:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 14:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
There have been like 0 cases on MZ, where is all the push coming from? Sandro? Sandro has been consistently wrong the whole game except for JL. Or Sandro is scum. Probably not though, unless he somehow found out how to play scum properly I would love to know as well In Onegu filter: 0 times
Yeah, I noticed this too when I filtered him a while ago. As I said: should we kill Mocsta today then oats is next.
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On December 19 2013 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I stopped not lynching people who are lying when there is no reason to lie.
1k hp =/= 1150 hp and noone does not write their hp properly because of "it's hard to write 1150". Everything else i could buy but not that. If he is town it's unfortunate but the esiest solution is he is not town. Why do you have to be like that this game. Seriously this is the worst reasoning for this lynch I heard until now. So you would buy that Mocsta told us he is a marksman and claimed a player who isn't a marksman but you don't buy that he wrote 1k instead of 1150? I don't understand you. I have never played LoL and i have no idea what the talk about marksman is so i can't really comment on it.
Me neither. But that pretty obviously seems to be a position/job in a LoL team and I doubt pro players are not specialized.
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On December 19 2013 03:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In addition to that when all this happens i get hit by 25 kp every single night, but not before. Fishy much?
Well maybe Mocsta should not originally have lied about his HP so he could make his position better in this business. I thought you only got hit by 25 on the night you taunted him?
Nope. Later he taunted jay and got hit by 25 again.
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On December 19 2013 03:52 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 03:48 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 03:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In addition to that when all this happens i get hit by 25 kp every single night, but not before. Fishy much?
Well maybe Mocsta should not originally have lied about his HP so he could make his position better in this business. I thought you only got hit by 25 on the night you taunted him? Nope. Later he taunted jay and got hit by 25 again. oh...I missed that. And I assume jay has claimed a VT that would do 50 damage (I don't remember)?
As far as I know he claimed a different kind of VT. According to Sandro scum shot Rayn for 25 to give Mocsta cover.
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On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone?
For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely.
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On December 19 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely. My problem is why would scum assume, only from N3, that i taunt vanillas? It's obvious the 25 KP came from taunting Mocsta or scum. WHY N3? Why not before if they wanna "possibly frame someone"? The night there SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN a possibility to frame anyone because Risen's shield..
True. The only explanation that makes sense to me besides Mocsta as caster minion is that the 25 dmg are a byproduct of some kind of scum ability. But this could still come from Mocsta.
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On December 19 2013 04:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? (4) can't be true because Risen proves it. Ah, right, thank you. Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely. Do you think it's more likely that scum is poking rayn with 25 damage starting the night rayn taunted Mocsta? Even though Risen's shield was completely available and should have been used to protect both of them? If I remember, Risen even said in thread that he would be shielding rayn (unless I'm confusing that with the QT).
Why wouldn't scum want to claim non-damaging VTs? Yes, they could easily claim damage VTs, but then there is the possibility of them being under heavy scrutiny if their damage comes into question?
I still think this is dumb but anyways: No, I don't think it makes any sense for scum to willingly poke rayn that night.
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Rayn, you did never taunt Onegu or did you?
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On December 19 2013 04:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:24 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 04:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? (4) can't be true because Risen proves it. Ah, right, thank you. On December 19 2013 04:13 justanothertownie wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 19 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Oh you were talking about the next night. Yeah i don't know about that but the night i first got shot for 25 kp there was no reason to assume Risen will not shield us. I agree with this. So we have few different scenarios (probably already covered, but I need to write it out to keep my thoughts straight): - Scum threw 25 KP your way for two consecutive nights.
- Mocsta did damage to you one night, and in order to cover it up, scum dealt 25 random damage to you the next night.
- Both Mocsta and JayB dealt damage to you through taunts.
- You're lying about the damage.
Idk if I'm missing anything. The third scenario makes the most logical sense, I think. Scenario 2 is a lot of WIFOM and seems very convoluted. I don't think 4 is the case, and 1 doesn't make much sense. Scenario 3 wouldn't matter if both Mocsta and Jay hadn't claimed to be non-damaging VTs. Now, we don't actually know how scum KP works in this game. It seems that they can split it up however they want (see - 1 damage night 1, 849 damage to ticklish night 2). So I guess scenario 1 is plausible, but I don't see the reason other than scum wanting to frame someone? For Scenario 3 to be true Mocsta AND jay had to be liars/scum. I think this one is pretty unlikely. Do you think it's more likely that scum is poking rayn with 25 damage starting the night rayn taunted Mocsta? Even though Risen's shield was completely available and should have been used to protect both of them? If I remember, Risen even said in thread that he would be shielding rayn (unless I'm confusing that with the QT).
Why wouldn't scum want to claim non-damaging VTs? Yes, they could easily claim damage VTs, but then there is the possibility of them being under heavy scrutiny if their damage comes into question? I still think this is dumb but anyways: No, I don't think it makes any sense for scum to willingly poke rayn that night. Oh, no, I also agree it's completely stupid. But look at the flips - we haven't seen anything that does damage lower than 50. Even Teemo shrooms deal 100 per phase for 3 phases. So unless scum is intentionally poking rayn for 25 damage a night (assuming they can split their damage like that), the only logical explanation is that 25 damage is the 50 damage from a taunted caster minion divided by 2.
Why do you even want to argue with me if we are saying the same thing?^^
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Ok, I took my time and went trough Mocstas filter. I don't think I will move my vote today if he doesn't come back and impresses me.
The interactions with MZ do look kinda faked.
Day 2 he campaigned for austin till the wagon was really picking up steam with influential players on it. Then he abandoned it, voted MZ and peaced (stating he wouldn't come back before deadline). He couldn't have known how much heat MZ would get at that point so this to me looks like distancing from a austin or roffles mislynch (both were way in the front at that time) and parking his vote on a scumbuddy to look good later. He was also the first (I think) to propose that scum Coag wouldn't have made the drama about shooting MZ if MZ was scum. Putting MZ as second best scumread from now on and doesn't vote him till directly before deadline.
The bus on JL looks hard but at the end of the dayphases Mocsta always finds a way to vote someone else over him (JL is always only his second best scumread when it gets important). How he voted bum is especially fishy. He also wanted us to use a lynch instead of shooting JL when this was planned.
He doesn't call Onegu and Coag town but he tries to buy time for them at some point.
There is this little detail about his usage of <b></b> that rayn pointed out.
He has oats as a soft townread for the whole game it seems. I think oats is scummy.
Also it is interesting how he instantly asks rayn who he taunted after risen and rayn received dmg.
On December 11 2013 20:04 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 19:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2013 19:56 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn, who did you taunt? scum who is lying, most likely. I thought if you taunt someone, you redirect their action to you @ 50% + I thought you + RIsen were some sort of lovers? Looks like to me, you taunted 50KP out of someone, and it lover reflected to Risen?
This post came up before rayn revealed that he taunted Mocsta. Hmm.
This stuff + the lengthy discussed HP/25 dmg/marksman business is enough for me to not feel bad about leaving my vote on Mocsta.
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On December 19 2013 07:50 jaybrundage wrote:@Mocsta Comon at least pretend you read my filter. Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 14:25 Mocsta wrote:
Jayb
I find it uncomprehendable for a townie to only have 2 points of discussion in a 380page thread.
1. Marv has a scary scum game
2. Mocsta is scum be a use of hp claims
This is beyond bad town and is far beyond what you outputted in nomination mafia.
As I said, every plausible com inaction of scum this game includes you.
Thus you ARE the best lynch in MYLO
You are right. He missed the part where you hardcore defended MZ. Apart from that his post is quite accurate.
Mocsta isn't even trying anymore - he will die today. I am out.
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So now you are a move creep again... wtf. You want me to believe you said you had 150 more HP to trick scum? Sorry, but this sounds pretty unbelievable to me.
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On December 19 2013 13:15 sandroba wrote:
His 1/1/ pick is bothering me.
That's the only reason to have doubts about oats. I agree.
On December 19 2013 17:30 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 10:18 kushm4sta wrote:
We definitely shouldn't be killing kurumi. He is probably town IMO.
What is the meta that marv said made gtsrs scummy?
And other good lynches? Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 10:19 marvellosity wrote:
I literally linked the games, kush, you really need to just read the thread rather than constantly ask questions that have already been answered. Take notice of the timings here. Kush comes into the thread not knowing anything about any good lynches. Then he somehow reads marv's post on jonny, supposedly filter jonny this game and the other game marv linked and votes jonny within the minute.
This is a good point.
Koshi is town, Jcarl is town, Rayn should be town, Sandro should be town, I hope SS is town.
So the 1-2 scum are between Kush, Oats and Jay and over the last days I got the feeling that it isn't jay because he at least showed some investment in this game. I guess he is just the lynchbait we have left. If you want to lynch Kush first that's ok for me Sandro. Oats number picks are indeed stupid if scum and I experienced him disappearing late game as town before.
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Also we should totally ignore Mocstas WIFOM obviously.
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I still have my last shot btw. I miscalculated and couldn't fire it last night yet. So, Sandro if you have a good target for me...
Don't know if shooting makes much sense though because we don't have that many KP left.
Everyone else can also give advice obviously.
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On December 19 2013 22:59 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 21:19 Koshi wrote:
Question.
Who his alignment would you like to know not next day but the day after that? So somebody you suspect but won't lynch tomorrow. I would honestly prefer something that gives us information immediately... @JAT - if we want JayB to die (I do), the most logical way would likely be to shoot him dead. Mocsta's point of "you don't shoot someone to half and then lynch them" was true. But I'm not sure exactly how much KP we have and how much it will take to kill Jay, so my vote is on Oats right now for a lynch next? Kush super bus is possible though
Well, I doubt we are able to kill him so if he is scum my shot doesn't matter that much. If he is town though I am helping scum by shooting him. I think I will indeed hold my shot for now.
Kush is probably scum for his Mocsta read alone. He knew Mocsta was scum but he also knew that Sandros arguments against him were wrong. Add to this how he listed almost the whole scumteam in this post Sandro quoted - lol.
He is known for his bussing afaik.
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On December 19 2013 23:36 Koshi wrote:
you disappoint me JAT.
Well, that's too bad... 
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On December 20 2013 17:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2013 15:31 jaybrundage wrote:
Why you guys so dead. Lets see some information. It's boring trying to stimulate conversation when no one else wants to participate. Good question. It's not that all the remaining players are lurkers. So I was kinda 17 minutes too late to post my stuff yesterday. Waking up is hard if you only went 1h30 before that to bed. Anyway, without other people getting damage it might look like I totally WIFOM'ed scummers.
How about posting it now then...
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