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Chezinu
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jaybrundage
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On December 06 2013 06:51 Chezinu wrote: Chezinu is not your typically player. He loves to trolls. If he is town, he will So Chezinu gimme who you think the scum team is. Also what is the Chezinu rule? | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
On December 06 2013 06:54 jaybrundage wrote: So Chezinu gimme who you think the scum team is. Also what is the Chezinu rule? stated above, First Chezinu -> Chezinu Rule* | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
On December 06 2013 06:54 jaybrundage wrote: So Chezinu gimme who you think the scum team is. Also what is the Chezinu rule? I am blind, yet I see all. I see the actions of the night, but without the true sense of one's color. I am like a spiny neuron, filled with spines that make a single dendrite seem larger than an axon. It may seem that I receive more input than I can give. But that is just all fluff. Yes, Chezinu does see, but he can also act, even quite well - love his dramas! Perhaps he doesn't see everything as he tries to deceive - for he is a deceiver. The dendrites receive less, yes they recieve less, The axon is greater than before! What hidden abilities does he yet hold? Is he thought of as a mere glial cell that is nothing but glue? How false! Glial cell move, they pick up the trash, and much more than the ill percieved believed in recent past! | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
When I went over the filters I found austin scummy but because I am a victim of thread sentiment I said I also wanted to lynch Rean. But I always said that out of the 2 I wanted to lynch austin of Rean because my own filter diving skillz. Now that thread sentiment is on austin I am totes game to lynch austin. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
On December 06 2013 07:02 Koshi wrote: When I went over the filters I found austin scummy but because I am a victim of thread sentiment I said I also wanted to lynch Rean. But I always said that out of the 2 I wanted to lynch austin of Rean because my own filter diving skillz. Now that thread sentiment is on austin I am totes game to lynch austin. oh noes... you and rayn share the same icon. | ||
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Chezinu
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geript
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+ Show Spoiler [Mocsta's Case] + On December 04 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=JonnyLaw jonnylaw Reading his filter I'm at loggerheads. - I cant follow his reads mid Day1 - they read like checklists and with some of the reads I dont even know if the lean is town or null. - I find him to be a lot more direct/assertive during the pick phase. Coupled with the point above I find pretty scummy. - Has a read on OWB/Kush.. that is weird. On one hand he is making some effort in his filter to push it, and on the other hand I don't feel he is making an effort to strengthen his read by talking to Kush. - I do like how he plays early Day 1 with Geript/Jay. It felt like he was stopping that feud and then tried to generate discussion with the right level of assertiveness. - I also misread him earlier when I said he +1'd me. That was prob OMGUS of me. Having said that, I dont see why it is relevant to call me out for making excuses. Doesn't take it anywhere either. Overall I think he has good potential to be scum. I really want to see him push his prime read (Kush) more. + I'm not sure if knowing he is a newbie is affecting my read. + Show Spoiler [Prome's Case] + On December 04 2013 17:36 Promethelax wrote: Johnnylaw Not even a name I recognize. Given that he doesn't even have a mafia database entry I'll assume he is new.. As always anyone who knows anything about the individual who can add anything metawise would be greatly appreciated. According to an old Gonzaw heuristic I'd have to call JL scum, he stopped posting while getting boozed up. You can't trust a dude who stops posting while his guard is down. Based on his early posts I'll assume Johnnylaw is a LoL convert brought over by Wave. Dude knows his LoL (and I don't, so a lot of his early posts are not in a language I speak). DINGDINGDING we have a winner folks Holy double donkey dicks. Would lynch off of this post. 1. threat 2. it was a weak threat 3 that last sentence. You know what ten pages of shitposting gives a townie? I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with bum lead. 4. the whole thing is a soft grab for town points, its a 'ooh but bad thread atmosphere is bad' post with out doing anything to fix what it complains about. Scum love to agree with something being anti town while doing nothing to prevent it. So far this post is the scummiest thing I've read in this thread. Would lynch. This post is pretty awful to (its directed at bum) "I don't understand, therefore you are scum" = scummy "I don't understand, I would like to understand" = townie which is the above? Oh yes, the former. Johnnylaw is not making new points of his own, is arguing for and against nothings and keeps grabbing at town points while attacking town favoured plans. Note that he argues with the usefulness of the plan but does not provide a better plan, he is tearing down not bringing up. Corollary to the Chezinu rule, the kushmasta rule. twenty pages of reading twenty four hours after his last thread appearance and the only kinda scummy thing he picks up on is that kush is a weird ass dude. I could have told you that for free. He also says that gtsrs is playing the game. Which is not a conclusion. Everyone can see that gt is busy/lazy/scum JL doesn't provide any insight, he says he didn't like something and follows it with nothing until VE brings it up again at which time JL +1s like a champ. He does these quick summaries of people which I can't stand, many of you know my stance on list posts without content and JL has many posts which are just one continuous contentless list. A bit of an excuse since Sandro asked him to look at those particular filters but in reality he said nothing about the four players. Conclusion rating 4.5 my qualms with a JL lynch. The kid may be so new he doesn't see what he is doing and is unsure of how to contribute in a large game, lord knows its hard. He could be throwing around dog crap posts because he simply doesn't know how to make better posts, he seems relativly involved in the thread and has intereacted with many players by name and by idea. For now he looks like my first pressure for day two but I am not yet confidant I will want to lynch him. If I had to guess most likely scum out of the players I have filtered so far I'd take JL no questions asked. + Show Spoiler [Koshi's Points] + On December 05 2013 22:37 Koshi wrote: Pfff. I also don't think JonnyLaw is scum atm. Went twice over his filter and there is nothing really scummy. However, I feel like he types more decisive when he talks about stuff that is obvious. While his scumreads or things that would actually help town are way less decisive. Look at how certain he sounds when he talks about tryn being useless, or warwick being useless. On the other hand, warwick is incredible strong and even though we didn't know he would do 450 damage simply by guessing the hero correctly I think that the entire scumteam would have actually figured out that warwick was a good hero if they could get blues to claim. So JonnyLaw saying that ww is bad and heroes like Twitch/Eve/Ziggs are way better look more like a townie being "wrong" than a scum being deceptive. I again read Prome and Mocsta points on JonnyLaw and I am not really convinced. There are lots of things that bug me in Jonny's filter. First off I want to specifically bring up a point that Koshi made: On December 05 2013 22:37 Koshi wrote: Pfff. I also don't think JonnyLaw is scum atm. Went twice over his filter and there is nothing really scummy. However, I feel like he types more decisive when he talks about stuff that is obvious. While his scumreads or things that would actually help town are way less decisive. Look at how certain he sounds when he talks about tryn being useless, or warwick being useless. At first glance I didn't read much into this, but in having time to mull over it I think the conclusion that Koshi draws from this wrong. Scum start off knowing more than town by nature of the game; additionally scum start off knowing what their team will value. Being decisive about what roles are good for town but not who is scum reads as scum to me. Here's why: As new scum, it's very hard to fabricate scum reads. Whereas, being familiar with LoL and having access to scum QT and a team discussing which roles they are most interested in taking makes it very easy to be an expert on what the right and wrong picks are. On December 01 2013 09:16 JonnyLaw wrote: Urgot is just straight kp. Why is he the best choice when we don't know the second abilities of champions. Without knowing health values or anything I'd rather ban a champ base on abilities that we can quantify. On December 01 2013 09:46 JonnyLaw wrote: The way I'm looking at is that Nocturne can never help the town. I see your point. I'm considering various interactions that are possible from the champs. It's immense even with only one ability revealed. I think Urgot has the third slot at this point regardless. On December 01 2013 15:10 JonnyLaw wrote: Look at Ziggs/twitch/eve for guaranteed damage. Then there are defensive champs for scum who already know their teammates. Warwick and trynd are just garbage imo. First off, Jonny does some speculation on ban based on second abilities but wants other people to ignore that. Second, he dismisses Urgot as wasted based on just being KP. Third, he continues the "Urgot bad" rap but starts considering other interactions. Fourth, he makes a point on how specific champs and work in coordination with knowing who's who. I would expect at this point Jonny to be able to put together that straight damage and increased DoT is exceptionally powerful in coordination with focus fire from a team. Additionally, his ban of choice was Nocturne which has a watcher (investigation) ability on it. Considering his focus on banning information denial roles, it would make sense that he could easily see a Town use for this ability. Next there's an extreme adversarial tone he takes with practically everyone: On November 30 2013 14:54 JonnyLaw wrote: Gerpit tunneling you is just clogging this thread. On December 01 2013 06:52 JonnyLaw wrote: Also Rayn you made this a long read this morning. Can we try not to argue about dumb shit? This is not directed at you alone but you seem the most willing to try and help focus the town. All that shit posting will make lazy town less likely to pay attention to the game. On December 01 2013 11:18 JonnyLaw wrote: Get your shit together or I'm saying you are scum or at the least, not helping the town actively. The series of personal attacks and shit posting for ten pages gave me nothing yet. I'll post again after I see what scum ban. On December 01 2013 13:28 JonnyLaw wrote: Actually, I must say fuck your list. I disagree strongly with most of the conclusions. I think you're scum as is. On December 03 2013 06:34 JonnyLaw wrote: And what's the point of posting this shit? I don't like this vibe at all. He's saying scum won't act scummy while he's acting scummiest of all. On December 03 2013 07:24 JonnyLaw wrote: tldr Rean and Austin are useless right now because they're doing nothing. Mocsta's making excuses without them being asked. Could be scummy. MZ's spending all his time on defense. This is the opposite of how soniv approached aggression directed his way. That's why I liked soniv for town earlier. What really bothers me about this is if you read his filter it's pretty full of stuff like this. More importantly, he can obviously and absolutely recognize "shit posting" and tells people to shape up, get better, etc. However you can also tell from his posts that he makes no effort to do more than "shit posting" himself. IIRC this is a scumtell that Marv uses at points. The fact that there's so much complaining about "shit posting" while not having a single post in his filter that I value is exceptionally telling to me. This tells me that he's more interested in flinging "shit" than in analyzing and providing information. Back to point 1: Uncertainty. This is Prome's strongest point in his case IMO: On December 04 2013 17:36 Promethelax wrote: Holy double donkey dicks. Would lynch off of this post. 1. threat 2. it was a weak threat 3 that last sentence. You know what ten pages of shitposting gives a townie? I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with bum lead. 4. the whole thing is a soft grab for town points, its a 'ooh but bad thread atmosphere is bad' post with out doing anything to fix what it complains about. Scum love to agree with something being anti town while doing nothing to prevent it. So far this post is the scummiest thing I've read in this thread. Would lynch. The point that I want to reinforce about this is that 90% or more of Jonny's scum reads are exceptionally uncertain. He's clearly not comfortable calling people scum. On December 03 2013 16:23 JonnyLaw wrote: I don't have any meta to play with but he's not helpful to town I guess? On December 04 2013 07:59 JonnyLaw wrote:I was inclined to say bum isn't scum because he actually stuck to his plan rather than taking the easy way out and voting LSB. Then I looked at the timing and he literally had no pressure on him from any other source aside from LSB. It's easy to blend in when you can claim you're sticking to your plan. He literally does nothing aside from propose how we ban and tunnel jcarl. I'm okay with this vote. On December 03 2013 06:35 JonnyLaw wrote: If he doesn't contribute I have no problem policy lynching him as a last resort. Until that happens I'd rather focus on people we can read since they're actually playing the game. On December 03 2013 06:59 JonnyLaw wrote: Kush I like you just fine as a person I'm certain. I don't like you reacting to being called scum with a "im voting you!" It's an odd reaction to me. Childish or trolling I don't know. I think OWB rolled scum and quit. Straight up. Your play isn't convincing me otherwise. I agree with you that Kurumi's trying to lead the town while not actually saying anything outside of game policy and how we should be playing. There's not a lot of substance aside from when he's asked directly or arguing with you. Maybe you two have some problem I wasn't aware of before this game. On December 03 2013 07:24 JonnyLaw wrote: Rean - Votes yorick, claims vt and roleplays liftlift. Could be scum lurking. Austin talks about champ abilities and not wanting town to role claim. I'm not certain role claiming is the best policy either. Maybe I'm missing something but these two are lurking harder than gtrs. Mocsta is making a lot of excuses. Busy, in mylo etc... I generally agree with Roffles and Mocsta about gtrs. MZ wants gtrs lynched and then spends the rest of his posts defending himself. If this is a popular sentiment and he was a proponent of it early why is he getting so much flak? Are mocsta and MZ arguing for some personal reasons? Why did you want me to read these filters. The first two say nothing and the second two are just arguing. Rayn thinks MZ's contradicting himself but the first couple days I thought Rayn posted okay for the most part. I'm more confused about them at this point than anything. On December 05 2013 08:39 JonnyLaw wrote: I find nothing gtrs has done to be town leaning. He wrote a bunch of posts about champions in league then wrote a case on jcarl that serves to defend himself. That's it. Either league abilities or attacking soniv. It's exceptionally hard to find any point where Jonny feels comfortable calling people scum or explaining why he thinks those people should be lynched. I find this really scummy because as scum you know who scum is. It's really, really easy to make absolutely fantastic cases against them and analyze why they're scum. Jonny being able to recognize bad posting, continue to do it and continue to never have any sort of solid scum read shows me how absolutely uncertain he is to push a case. As a huge bonus, Jonny is a major lurker. 3 pages in a 180. ##vote JonnyLaw I look into Austin and a few others after my tests tomorrow. | ||
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Chezinu
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mkfuba07
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@Koshi: Hiya, what would you like to talk about? @VE: Sup? Also, Mig wasn't redirected onto JohnnyLaw. Back to reading--- | ||
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geript
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On December 06 2013 07:24 Chezinu wrote: Hey geript! Can you tell me why my former self didn't like you very much? No clue. What do you think of jonny and why? | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
On December 06 2013 07:30 mkfuba07 wrote: Trying to catch up while at the same time keeping up is proving to be quite a hassle. @Koshi: Hiya, what would you like to talk about? @VE: Sup? Also, Mig wasn't redirected onto JohnnyLaw. Back to reading--- So are you saying that not only was Mig sick but he was lying! Interesting... how confident are you that Mig used his 125 KP on JohnnyLaw? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On December 06 2013 07:30 mkfuba07 wrote: Trying to catch up while at the same time keeping up is proving to be quite a hassle. @Koshi: Hiya, what would you like to talk about? @VE: Sup? Also, Mig wasn't redirected onto JohnnyLaw. Back to reading--- Well. Nothing now. But. You know you are in marv his spot? You are almost as confirmed town as when you shot that guy in Persona. Only. This time. You just replaced everybody his favorite player. Who was town. So. No pressure. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
On December 06 2013 07:32 geript wrote: No clue. What do you think of jonny and why? When it comes to Jonny, he is either Third party or town if Mig is mafia. When it comes to Mig, he is either Third party or town if Mig is mafia. There is still the probably that both are town based on facts alone. Mig lied or it atleast seems that way. He didn't claim his role until confronted and sounds very depressed. Jonny is a name to lynch, a quite easy one at that. Jonny stated he was hit with 125 KP. This means he isn't scared of telling the truth. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
On December 06 2013 07:42 Chezinu wrote: When it comes to Jonny, he is either Third party or town if Mig is mafia. When it comes to Mig, he is either Third party or town if Mig is mafia. There is still the probably that both are town based on facts alone. Mig lied or it atleast seems that way. He didn't claim his role until confronted and sounds very depressed. Jonny is a name to lynch, a quite easy one at that. Jonny stated he was hit with 125 KP. This means he isn't scared of telling the truth. rephrase, Jonny is an easy target. | ||
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geript
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Mid or Feed
Korea (South)250 Posts
supersoft (1): Rean (0): JonnyLaw (1): austinmcc (6): Rean, sandroba, Mocsta, austinmcc, justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes OdinOfPergo (1): Onegu Koshi (1): Chezinu kushm4sta (1): LSB Modkill zone (16): all the single players austinmcc is currently set to be lynched. Voting thread is here. Please make sure all of your votes go in there, they don't count otherwise. Voting is mandatory. Day 2 ends in | ||
Mig
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Fuba are you saying I did hit meapak or what? If I did why didn't meapak claim it. I definitely hit someone I got a hp total back. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
On December 06 2013 07:49 Mig wrote: How exactly was I lying chez. Tell me why I would lie about trying to shoot meapak and not just say I shot jonny lol. Fuba are you saying I did hit meapak or what? If I did why didn't meapak claim it. I definitely hit someone I got a hp total back. Yes! Your fight is not with me but Fuba! He is calling you a liar. You must handle the situation. You know what to do! | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
On December 06 2013 07:45 geript wrote: And that means he's not scum why? With everyone else posting what damage they too it be very unlikely that scum wouldn't post that as well. Do you think scum lie? Is that what you are saying? All I stated was that one of the guys told the truth and the other one is debatable. You can't hide the fact that Mig's name is red. | ||
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