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On December 06 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
If you clicked on the lantern, then you should have been protected from anything targeting you. If you didn't click the lantern, then you didn't get protected.
I checked, you can still use your ability if you clicked the lantern.
you're claiming thresh, then?
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Thank you jcarl. This makes you very likely town.
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On December 06 2013 01:53 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
If you clicked on the lantern, then you should have been protected from anything targeting you. If you didn't click the lantern, then you didn't get protected.
I checked, you can still use your ability if you clicked the lantern.
you're claiming thresh, then?
I am. And as much as I still disagree with you speculating on possible roles, I had to chuckle to myself when you guessed right for Thresh.
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super who do you want to lynch. You come into the thread tell everyone they are bad and your reads are better without providing said reads. You did the same thing last game as well but it is annoying.
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@mig I've posted my theory about austin/rean, check it out and tell me what you think.
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I think supersoft might be scum but I cannot make a case yet against him. I got something half assed made but it isn't good enough.
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thresh is one of, if not the, highest damage support in the game
i would say that all of his moves are signature, with the lantern and box being the most so. the box does more damage than cassieopieaiea ult. flay does a ton of damage. even hook does non-negligible damage.
what is your second ability?
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On December 06 2013 01:59 sandroba wrote:
@mig I've posted my theory about austin/rean, check it out and tell me what you think.
On December 06 2013 00:07 sandroba wrote:
This theory really explains well the night kill too. If Rean indeed tried to take kha'six mafia had a pretty good idea where that role went. Since it is a role that gets stronger over time and prom was playing his balls off, that would be a pretty good reason to stack a ton of kp on him.
This is reaching. geirpt/kenpachi/mz/geirpt/jonny/myself could have all taken kha. Really doubt they targeted prome in some attempt to kill kha. And not to mention this relies on austin/rean both being scum and rean trying to pick khas. A lot of what ifs.
On December 05 2013 23:49 sandroba wrote:
He also already knew he would be voting Rean before even looking at him. He didn't even bother to check if rean was scum in the game he used for meta. He seemed to be in a rush to justify all his reads when all of them were already fabricated. All his reasoning is bullshit. Yeah, this man is scum.
This I can agree with. This meshes with how I felt about austin. He made the case against Rean using meta, his meta was shown to actually make rean look better not worse and this didn't change austin's read at all.
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On December 06 2013 02:06 gtrsrs wrote:
thresh is one of, if not the, highest damage support in the game
i would say that all of his moves are signature, with the lantern and box being the most so. the box does more damage than cassieopieaiea ult. flay does a ton of damage. even hook does non-negligible damage.
what is your second ability?
I...what? I already said what it does.
On December 06 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 05 2013 20:44 Koshi wrote:On December 05 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 05 2013 20:38 Koshi wrote:
rayn if I took damage last turn or in the next 3 turns. Are you interested in knowing it? Of course. That means my power did not go through. But i am pretty sure it did. I took 50 damage last night. That means most likely one of you / Chezinu is lying. I think Chezinu quite clearly claimed me visiting you. Or i got roleblocked. Could the guy who gave me the lantern come out of the closet and tell me what the fuck did it do? Unless that happens i am calling shenanigans. Then it has to be mafia action. If you clicked on the lantern, then you should have been protected from anything targeting you. If you didn't click the lantern, then you didn't get protected. I checked, you can still use your ability if you clicked the lantern. ----------------------------------------------------------- I didn't see it asked, and Mig didn't provide an answer that I see - Mig, why did you target Jonny with your scream?
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that's literally why i didn't even list thresh in my list of non-damage-possible champs
his damage output is literally insane for a support
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oh right, the box was the listed ability, i forgot
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On December 06 2013 02:15 gtrsrs wrote:
that's literally why i didn't even list thresh in my list of non-damage-possible champs
his damage output is literally insane for a support
And this is why your speculation is pretty worthless. You're focusing too much on the fact that it's League themed, that you're completely ignoring the fact that we're playing mafia.
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can you stop being so negative?
2 people have already thanked me for my league input and i'm going to continue to do it, so you can stop deriding me for it
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At least Jay is holding hands with me to lynch someone I don't even really wanna lynch anymore. O.O
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##Vote Austin
SS sounds really angry, townie rightous anger. Scum would totally just apologize and try to give maybe 1-2 reads. Town would get all upset he is getting lynched for something so minor.
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k so something else about the lantern that stuck out to me
when soniv said this:
On December 06 2013 01:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 01:53 gtrsrs wrote:On December 06 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
If you clicked on the lantern, then you should have been protected from anything targeting you. If you didn't click the lantern, then you didn't get protected.
I checked, you can still use your ability if you clicked the lantern. you're claiming thresh, then? I am. And as much as I still disagree with you speculating on possible roles, I had to chuckle to myself when you guessed right for Thresh.
it confused me a bit. for one he's been riding me all game for providing league info and saying there's google for a reason and everyone here is a challenger level league player etc etc etc. so why would it make him chuckle when i connected a lantern to the only lantern in the game?
that's when i remembered that there are more, shitty lanterns in the game. they're so shitty though, that they didn't even register on my mind when you asked about a lantern
there are 3 lanterns in the game:
thresh's lantern: allows you to be rushed to safety
wriggle's lantern: provides sight in a location for a short time
grez's spectral lantern: gives true vision in a location for an extremely short time
thresh's lantern is by far the most prominent. wriggles is built in probably < 1% of games on summoner's rift and is generally considered complete shit on every champ save a handful. grez's lantern is built even less than wriggles, on a seldom-played map and i had forgotten it was in the game. i cannot stress enough that the last two lanterns are so insignificant that they don't even come to mind when "lantern" and "league" go together in my mind.
not only that, but neither of those two lanterns directly tie to a champion. the only way one of those was in the game is if the inventor built them, but as we've already seen, he's focused on building dota-themed items.
so why would roffles, a guy who has played as much league as anyone else in this thread, suggest this:
On December 04 2013 13:35 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 13:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I got a lantern. Anyone experienced with LoL could you tell me what it's could possibly do? Probably give vision of something. Point it at somebody and it gives you info on allegiances perhaps.
maybe, *maybe* you could argue that a grez port into this game would give info on allegiances with the "true sight" mechanic. but in 99% of cases, i would say that someone porting wriggle's or grez's lantern to mafia would make it so you can see a night action in a certain location. i will give credit to Wave and say for the mostpart he uses logic, and this would be logical.
and at this time, we know that viktor is inventing useless dota crap. so why would roffles come to this conclusion, and use one of his extremely sparse posts on it?
it just reeks of spreading misinformation. i'm not saying it's enough for me to vote for him (my vote will remain on soniv), but maybe it's enough for someone else to strengthen their case or for me to build one later
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@mig
I know it's reaching, that's why I'm pushing austin instead of rean. But his comment on me being town because of my kha'six comment, the austin vote on rean - posting a wrong meta comparison, then rean decides austin is scum today, toghether with the fact that I said kha'six would be taken high by scum and rean delayed a lot to say who he chose all fit together so nice. Seems like a silly bus / fake grudge between those two.
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FFS I had a giant case on scum supersoft and I deleted 50% of it. 50% I still have emailed to myself. Funny part is I still have the part why supersoft could be town that I figured out at the end of my case. So I am going to believe this is Gods Will and I am going to conclude supersoft is town.
Here is what is left from my case. It was pretty huge before this.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 04 2013 09:50 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 22:42 bumatlarge wrote:On December 03 2013 22:40 sandroba wrote:
And that's 20min trying to think of a bullshit explanation for your post. I bet you wished you hadn't made that post bum. You sure saved me a lot of typing =). Your reasons are pretty bad, just because I'm acting weird, doesn't mean I'm mafia. Which is pretty much what you are saying. Do you think LSB is mafia? lol okay. I get it... combined with the fact that he did not pick what was in his list. well... really scummy. But i had a good feeling about himhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=39right there. at this point of the game, the thread was somehow not there, where i wanted him to be. We needed the rolepicking discussion. That discussion happened too late to coordinate the action. Both, Bum and I came in the thread with a similar mindset. That gave me a good feeling about him. Fact that he remembers this kinda stuff and uses it makes ss look townie to me. That and fucking up the draft numbers
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OdinOfPergo is really scummy. Early game he doesnt scum hunt, then gives very wishy washy reads and his actions around vote time are really bad.
First I want to bring your attention to his action around his votes and the reasons he gives.
+ Show Spoiler + On December 03 2013 13:11 OdinOfPergo wrote:
also at this point Rayn I'm agreeing with you and torn at the same time.
Let me explain in short words while (hopefully) someone pulls me a draft list page.
Claiming the claim page is normally pro town in this scenario...
The fact he's done little but it for 3 pages of filter is not town reading at all.
Once or twice a phase for the town to keep track of.... Yes we are on the same page.
More than that, as per has been explicit by his post...
Well I feel like he's using this "pro town" excuse over... and over... and over.... and over...
simply to make post. This reads scummy as hell to me.
What better way to feign activity than via something townies are going to find annoying but protown via?
What has he hadded to discussion? Nothing.
When has he advanced town agenda? Never.
What does the town have to gain per his posting the same thing a shit ton of times? Nothing.
What is the town gaining from his Tryn pick?
Umm other than gliding through a few other potential townies right now to prove the fact..... NOTHING.
How are you going to use this ability vs scum now that you claimed it?
OH YES SCUM BUDDIES LETS RALLY IN A LINE AROUND THE SELF CLAIMED TRYND.
This. Is. Retarded. Logic.
Actually screw the long winded case against him.
I've thoroughly proven I can't "not" write short novels as cases.
So to save time and give you guys my opinion...
LSB is super scummy right now.
If no one is going to get on a Kush vote I might at well move to this.
##Unvote
##Vote: LSB Ok I can agree with his thoughts here about him being scummy. LSB is scummy for all the points in here. But look at the bottom he says he can give a long winded case but doesnt to save time. On December 04 2013 10:56 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I have to agree at this point. LSB is obviously not going through today.
So that leaves Bum and you.
Bum doesn't look good and I REALLY dislike his "I'd think I'm scum" comment but I'll touch on that later if he doesn't get lynched tonight.
That leaves you Jay.
You've brought nothing to this game this entire phase.
You don't seem to intend to change that.
You've only re-inforced the "Pls don't listen to me I'm bad town"
So
##Unvote
##Vote: JayBrundage Then he changes his vote to Jay because a LSB lynch isnt going to happen. But what has odin done to push a lynch on him someone he later says is his strongest read. Nothing, between his vote and his unvote he never mentions LSB, never pushes his read. On December 04 2013 10:58 OdinOfPergo wrote:
@Bum the only reason I'm not voting you is I'm pretty sure you're going to go through anyway..
And if you don't you're going to shoot yourself in the foot tomorrow.
On December 04 2013 10:59 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Oh I should add, you'll shoot yourself if your scum. Frankly I'm sort of skeptical..
Yes I believe you have a likely chance to flip scum.. but when I re-read your filter I had questions.
I don't feel well tonight or I'd have been asking them a few hours back when I first peeked in here. Now he admitts he found bum scummy also, but he isnt going to vote for him because that lynch is going to go through anyway. On December 04 2013 11:03 OdinOfPergo wrote:
My best read of LSB isn't going to go through tonight.
I think the main defense against his lynch is stupid.
My thought on the subject is:
People's defense on LSB is mainly; Bum claimed he'd pick Tryn. Unless he's scum together with LSB there is no way LSB would pick Tryn.
I find this logic retarted especially after Bum himself said "Any sane townie would never pick Tryn".
I mean that statement implies that if he's town, he will infact, not pick tryn.
It's how I'm viewing it and to disregard the rest of LSB's post because of it is stupid.
One more time his best read in LSB, but he never really pushs his lynch the unvote because that lynch isnt going though, doesnt vote bum because his lynch is going through. So what was the point of the switch onto Jay? There wasnt one, other than to 100% kill a LSB wagon. His reason for not voteing bum is so bad, he knew bum was going to flip town and didnt want to be on his wagon.
Ok now I want to show you his actions on and around his kush case.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 12:36 OdinOfPergo wrote:Kush is scum. Mmk, so for the immediate 180 contradiction. + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 07:56 kushm4sta wrote:
nooo i wanted to bypass this part Per your opening statement I assume you actually intend to play this game? Post like these don't seem to say that at all. + Show Spoiler +On December 02 2013 07:57 kushm4sta wrote:
this is my policy atm: someone tell me what to do. On December 03 2013 00:08 kushm4sta wrote:
hey so i replaced onlyawonderboy.
please direct me to any important posts/filters. I will give my opinion on anything. ATM im going to go read mocsta's filter. This post is important to me in retrospect. You're digging through Mocsta's filter when you haven't even bothered to read the thread for any context at all. Ontop of that your basing your read entirely off of meta purposes. Or at least Kush is saying that here. You give ONE quote for your whole read? + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 00:28 kushm4sta wrote:haha oats how can you blame someone for ignoring you.. you are shitposting. I read about half of mocsta's filter and I have him as solidly town. He is approaching reads differently from how he did it in his scumgame. I feel like this line is protown and im assuming an accurate description of gtrsrs: Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 15:54 Mocsta wrote:
Gtrsrs is a hot topic with a small filter.
Want to gimme some thoughts? You follow that up with some flimsy case on Kurumi. Even you know your case on Kurumi is trash. You decide Soniv and Guitar are both obv town without explaining yourself at all. I'm not sold on Koshi but at this point he's made more of an arguement trying to get pressure onto Kurumi than you even hope to do with this. Why did it take you 20 minutes to give a short paragraph on why you thought Soniv was town? You spend all of a grand single two line quote as your reasons for town on Guitar. + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 00:51 kushm4sta wrote:
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KURUMI: SCUM
JCARL: TOWN
GTRSRS: TOWN (tooscummytobescum)
On December 03 2013 06:33 kushm4sta wrote:
hey koshi why did you sheep my shitty kurumi case? I actually agree with Kurumi here. This is too obvious. Kush hasn't even read the thread yet. Some fluffy questions that seem agreeable at first glace but you didn't/will not go anywhere with because it's counterproductive to your alignment. + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 01:26 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 01:23 Kurumi wrote:On December 03 2013 01:19 kushm4sta wrote:On December 03 2013 01:17 Kurumi wrote:On December 03 2013 01:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Kurumi - out of curiosity - why did you link your own filter to kush to look at? Probably to prove a point my mind tried to show me - kushm4sta does not care at all what he is going to read. huh what do you mean by this? you mean im scum or lazy? Lazy scum. gl with that opinion. im voting you now. On December 03 2013 01:36 kushm4sta wrote:
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didn't even know if people were voting yet. thought it could be night or some fucked up pyp preday phase This post seems reallllly odd to me. I understood it comepletly as context and it just seems like you trying to advert Jonny entirely by claiming a personal attack. How do you misunderstand post like Jonny's in this case when Geript is here? I call complete filler trying to take the easy street out of it. + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 06:51 kushm4sta wrote:so marv and ve are light pushing gtr, right? brb I will look into him. @JonnyLaw + Show Spoiler + Hi I don't know exactly what I did to you but you are coming off as super angry with me, on a PERSONAL level. Like you don't like "my vibe" you said. I am really sorry if I have acted in a way that offended you. If you are more specific with what you don't like about me, I will try to change it. So... after copping out... no personal reads or anything up to this point. As far as I can tell you're comepletely null on Jonny..... and then you do this the moment somone puts a light on him. + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 10:19 kushm4sta wrote:
k ill vote johnnylaw This is the biggest "Please take the spot light away from me! No one has bent me over backwards yet so SURELY they will just vote Jonny now and forget all about me until night phase." A nail in the coffin for me is after almost 25 hours you STILL admit to not even reading the thread in a response to Marv? I believe it was. + Show Spoiler +On December 03 2013 10:20 kushm4sta wrote:
my way is easier (for me) Ye, I believe you're scum. ##Vote:kushm4sta First lets go over his case. None of his points are actually scum tells, just lazy person tells. He never calls johhny null, he calls him out for attacking him at some point so his vote is not a contridiction. I dont see how he thinks he caught scum here it doesnt make sense. On December 03 2013 12:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I'm not basing my read off of a Kush meta. I've never played with him before. I haven't even looked at any of his games. What I'm saying in my case is that nothing he's done is pro-active to the town. His only purpose thus far in the game is to hurt the town. And you defending him doesn't make me feel any better about you. Now he says kush just isnt proactive to the town. And in his case I dont see how he can say kush has hurt the town, and he says the person defending kush is somewhat scummy also. I dont follow his train of logic here. On December 03 2013 12:51 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Help me out here at least..
@Kush; Give me a few links to your town/scum games and I'll read them and re-adjust my read on you tomorrow hours before the lynch to adjust.
I plan on making a case for a few other people tonight I don't like much aswell so I'm liable to change the vote if my townies really think it's a terrible idea but damn.. If I've ever seen a town matyr himself for such scummy play. Now he says he wants previous kush games to check meta. On December 03 2013 12:54 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Ugh.. I don't have the time tonight to read a bunch of other games for meta.
I'll look into the database tomorrow to get an idea of what you two mean but it seems really stupid to be doing this as town.
My perspective at least.
Either he's solid lynchbait (Which makes me look bad) or he's obv scum. And then he doesnt have time to read kush, but after this we never get a update. Never kush is scum or kush is town, he just drops it. + Show Spoiler + I am Malzahar, the Prophet of the Void and I put a voidling on odin last night. Wondering how many people actually read this I dont there is anyway he believed kush was scum.
Now just a few extra observations that I found scummy
+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2013 12:48 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I actually don't think we should ban champs like Talon.
Yes they might be nice for mafia early on in the game by denying early checks...
But really... if you're playing a scum agenda... you're going to get busted for it.
The same way a Godfather gets busted for it.
It's 100% the same principle. I really dont uderstand why he didnt want to get rid of this guy because scum would get caught anyway. Like in his next post he says people figure out there is a godfather in closed setups!?!? On December 02 2013 09:18 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I'm fine with this plan if you can get it moving.
I feel like that's a pretty far stretch from where we are though.
It would be really useful for us townies in the lower brackets to know who not to pick as well so the town gets more power roles. Because other than this plan I feel like there is a pretty good probability that most of the bottom bracket is going to get jinxed out of roles. He makes this post then right after posts this On December 02 2013 09:25 OdinOfPergo wrote:
well actually I'm going to semi 180 on my previous statement aswell.
I could see the benefit of getting more blue roles into the game still.
But it does bring up the issue that there are some roles out there you probably don't want mafia to know who has right away.
So with that logic the problem with this idea is that if most claim mafia can stab at the odd ones out that don't.
I feel like this is a all or nothing and at this point I don't honestly think we have enough time to get everyone on the same page either.
So ye, my conclusion is we shouldn't do this. Why such a fast switch it doesnt make sense for town to post one feelong then quickly say he was wrong. Its like he was posting just to post then realized his stance is bad and flipped it. And look at the time stamps its 7 minutes apart with nothing in between. Its really fast to really think over your stance but long enough for scum qt to tell him its bad for scum to have everyone know everyones picks. On December 02 2013 09:29 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Rayn, I initially really liked your plan because of that fact.
I'm only hesitant on it know because there are still a lot of people that aren't here...
So what's the point in like 10% of us guessing and still ending up vanilla?
And now look he changes it again back to I liked the first plan but there isnt enough time. That isnt what he just said, he said not wanting scum to know where certain blues are. He waffles alot on this point. On December 02 2013 13:41 OdinOfPergo wrote:
ooo Rayn do expand on Jay...
My thoughts: Jay
Also, I haven't brought this up yet becuase I haven't come to a strong conclusion... but I'll re-read tomorrow after I get home from work but I wanted to mention it now that the day has started..
I don't get the worse vibes from him, and I haven't looked into his meta at all.
That being said though.. Anytime this case of scenarios happens I'm going to be iffy.
Jay pulls the noob card a few times. Why as town would you want people to think you're not worth listening too? You mention several times that your new to PYP. Once... Mehhhhh bad tells but w/e... Twice..? Are you trying to discredit yourself to the rest of the town? I mean past that you're just trying to have opinions without being holdable to those opinions.
Pushing a wishy washy case again Marv "He could be scum, maby not, maby so, maby not." For pure meta reasons?
Common dude, I expected a lot more out of you. Here is his post on jay who he ends up voteing and he cant put a read on him. I just really dont find his reason for voteing Jay over his top scum read, and someone he thinks is likely to flips, or even kush who he made a case on. He doesnt want to look bad. Odin is scum.
Tldr
Strong scum read on LSB, unvotes him because he isnt going to be lynched, doesnt vote bum who he thinks will likely flip scum because it looks like his lynch will go through, scum read on kush, votes jay. Very little reason.
Bad case on kush that points to a lazy player not a scum player, doesnt follow up on it.
Quick 180 on saying who gets what blue, then says back to rayn he liked the plan but dont think it would work but before says doesnt want scum to know who has what.
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