PYP: League of Legends Mafia - Page 148

On December 05 2013 07:34 justanothertownie wrote:

Like you tried to lynch him yesterday?

On December 04 2013 11:55 Rean wrote:


And I was so hoping you'd be town. Sigh.

On December 05 2013 07:36 Rean wrote:
Someone just did 225 HP damage to me D: how uncivilized.

On December 05 2013 07:36 justanothertownie wrote:

This means it took you quite long to come to your conclusion.

On December 05 2013 07:41 justanothertownie wrote:

I take that back. I got confused by the time stamps. Still you had to have a scumread on him to ask this question or are you telling me your read is based only on this trolly answer? I mean you have to know somehow hat he told you a lie.

On December 05 2013 07:36 Rean wrote:
Someone just did 225 HP damage to me D: how uncivilized.

On December 05 2013 07:53 LSB wrote:

All I can see that did that is Annie

On December 03 2013 03:56 LSB wrote:
Lastly I'm going to policy vote Bum for not following through with what he was pushing. Just for a point of reference in PYP2 (i think), I was SK and I pushed heavily a plan, and I deviated from it as a way to attempt to make sure I was invincible.

##Vote: Bumatlarge

On December 03 2013 08:38 LSB wrote:
I am not going to respond to accusations from people who have A) Not roleclaimed or B) Have not provided a good reason for not roleclaiming due to their role.

I will respond to questions about roleclaiming.

On December 03 2013 11:36 LSB wrote:

^Paraphrased.

Honestly Bumatlarge is following the basic plan I used as SK from PYP3, first get an idea of where everyone is who can kill you and try to grab an ability that will make it so you cant get killed by mafia, while all the time trying to convince everyone that I have a different ability. "This would have been better for town" was the exact same reasoning I used to try to convince town I wasn't SK in PYP3.

I'm sticking to my policy lynch plan. I'm thinking Bumatlarge is SK and grabbed a defensive role as a way to make sure he stays alive. I'm going to pin him as "not town". Deviation from your own plan is pretty scummy since a plan requires as much players to follow it as possible.

On December 03 2013 11:55 LSB wrote:
Never said anything about SK, just said not town. Good enough for me to try to drop da hammer. My night action is gonna be to move 3 up. Though unless some friendly helper would like to give me more KP, it's gonna be more like a feather than a hammer

On December 04 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote:
People voting LSB here is what I think:
It is only possible LSB is scum if bum is scum.

If Bum is town and LSB is scum, LSB wouldn't have taken trynn, because his team would have told him not to do so since Bum was probably going to take it.
If Bum is scum and LSB is scum, he could have dropped it to LSB, but I don't think that's the most likely scenario.
If Bum is scum and LSB is town and just replaced in and didn't read bum's plans he could have went for tryn. This seems likely to me because LSB only noticed Bum didn't follow his own plan after BC called out bum on it.
The other scenario is bum and lsb are town, which is also possible.

But the base line is, if you think LSB is scum vote Bum first. I bet you any amount you want that if LSB was scum and just replaced in he would have consulted with his team before picking something and they would have told him Bum was planning on picking trynn.

On December 05 2013 05:28 gtrsrs wrote:
i want to start my case with apology for being rather lurky this game. i've stated before but people are still commenting, so i will reiterate: i'm not as aggressive a person as i was a few years back, so my playstyle is not as aggressive as it was either. additionally, until now, i didn't feel strongly about anyone being scum. lastly, i do not like to use meta-game to build a case, especially on day 1 (unfortunately, you'll see that i will have to use the 'meta' reasoning a bit in this case).

Having a less aggressive playstyle does not mean that you can just not play the game. It does not excuse a complete lack of caring for the game. You've done essentially nothing up until this post.

i know relatively few of you and have played mafia with even fewer. i don't know your traits when you are mafia or town. however, some of you i know well or even very well. as bum_at_large pointed out, he and i have been friends for years. i felt very strongly that bum was doing his normal bum thing - being analytical, making logical posts, and being pro-town - and that he was town. one of the only other people that i can claim to know their personality is jacarlsoniv (henceforth referred to as soniv). i've played league with soniv, posted in the league sub-forum with soniv, and watched soniv's sparse streaming for a couple years now. as i stated earlier,


This is not only an appeal of "hey, I'm really good friends with bum, that guy that just flipped town", but also smoe sort of attempt to make it look like you're a semi-expert on my personality?

i feel like although he's not my bestest buddy, i have a good read on soniv's overall personality. he thinks highly of himself as a strong player and intellectual, and he's a fierce competitor. when he's "winning" he's cocky and carefree, but when he is challenged, i believe that soniv becomes extremely defensive and can get emotional. it's a knee-jerk reaction that i've seen in playing with him (exasperated sighs and outbursts when his lane gets camped in league, banning viewers [read: me ] when they comment on a mistake he makes on his stream, etc). i believe that soniv has taken a needlessly harsh and defensive stance on several comments made in his direction, many of which don't even point a ton of suspicion in his direction

Furthering your "expertise" on me? Look, this paragraph is mostly irrelevant character smearing. You are correct in saying that I am a fierce competitor. However, you are grossly exaggerating what happens "when I'm challenged". Beginning of Day 1 I was challenged by bum. Did I go super turtle mode and lash out at everyone? I don't recall that happening.

i'll start by cementing that i believe soniv is just being soniv and not changing up his personality for this game, as that's what i'm basing my case on:


... but soniv's first post in the game was a quote from his favorite champ:


This was the very first post of the thread, it has no bearing on the way this game has been played. It's pointless for you to quote this.

this was also a response to me saying i hated viktor as a champion:


This was at the beginning of Day 0, and as you accurately point out below, it was in jest.

these second two posts are lighthearted, comfortable soniv posts. he's not under pressure, he's making jokes, he's referencing and defending his favorite champ. it's only after i create a seemingly worthless post about what i feel soniv picked (spurred by the fact that he breadcrumbed that he does no damage) I didn't breadcrumb this, I directly said that I have a non-damaging role that he became defensive about it:


I'm being defensive here? Please tell me what is defensive about this. This is one of several posts where I'm trying to get you to contribute.



the second he's put under the tiniest bit of pressure, no matter how tangential it may be, he retracts into a defensive, ad hominem style.

Again, this is not defensive. If you would have been so kind as to not exclude the majority of that post: + Show Spoiler +

On December 04 2013 02:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:

Show nested quote +

On December 04 2013 02:19 gtrsrs wrote:
oh woops, forgot to include my reasoning

soniv is a bona fide hipster, loves to play champs that are not currently popular or considered strong. in addition to the champs i listed, on the champ list, there are several of those: mordekaiser, karma, twisted fate, malzahar, syndra, talon

but each of these either has a damage ability listed (morde, TF, malz, syndra) or has an extremely high likelihood of a damage ability (karma, talon)

i believe karma is his favorite champ though. hard to analyze her based on her abilities though, because Wave said that he's been planning this for months, and karma went through a remake somewhat recently

My propensity for playing less popular champs in game has 0 reflection on what role I chose in this game. This is 100% pointless speculation.

Also, I believe someone has claimed Karma already. I don't remember who (and can't find the list at the moment - I'm sure LSB knows).

Whenever you're ready to stop being a dumbass is good with me.

That last line was said because you were making a conclusion that I had picked Karma, something that someone else had already claimed long before.


so that's my setup. now i want to give 2 postulates that i've learned from playing forum mafia and epic mafia. 1) knowledge is power. mafia inherently has more knowledge than town, so doing actions that lead to town having more knowledge helps to level the playing field. yes, it can lead to revelations for the mafia as well, but remember, mafia has enough information to win the game from the start. mafia thrives in a suffocated, information-free town. 2) town needs to lynch mafia. town does not need to lynch lurkers, anti-town townies, pro-town townies, or blues. town needs to lynch mafia. this one is simple. you don't lynch someone because you don't like them, or because you have a weak lead on them. mafia members can subtly push for lynches on bad town and lurkers because it can feel like a "next best" option.

1) knowledge is power
i agreed with a mass roleclaim plan. soniv did not:

soniv is in the wrong and roffles is in the right. i've tried to illuminate what several hot-topic champs can do so that we can help non-league players. information is power. soniv, however, wants to nip speculative and free discussion at the bud. in fact, when i've given my expertise,

I had disagreed with Roffles in using hidden role speculation as a primary source of strategy because it ends up just being speculation. You have decided to use this speculation as your sole choice of "activity".



there is one role that he does want to find though: kassadin, a potentially scum-screwing role that will likely be able to dart out of trouble as well as screw up enemy actions:


this is because soniv, playing as SKT1'S Poohmandu (even getting one of his favorite hipster support champs, Janna!) wants to actively limit the amount of information that town has in order to both prevent town from getting too many power roles, and eliminate said power roles quickly.

So you are not only speculating that I picked Janna (which is an acceptable speculation because I had claimed a non-damaging role in thread), but also that I am Poohmandu...

2) town needs to lynch mafia, and no one else
take a peek at soniv's filter, page 3. in the span of a few posts, he goes from

to


it's subtle sheeping. town does not put their votes onto someone that they do not believe is mafia. it's a mafia tactic to subtly sheep votes onto people that others fine suspicious. It wasn't sheeping at all. It was the direction the thread was going at the time (early in day 1). I was trying to get more out of VE because he was pushing to kill you and hadn't gotten any other reads out at the time. however, soniv himself did not even put a vote on me, he voted for geript. he's sowing discord:


literally no one thinks that i'm mafia at this point. my worst detractors think i'm unmotivated town. you don't lynch unmotivated town. points to soniv for keeping his vote on geript instead of hopping on the bum bandwagon, it was a nice cover-up. though a bit unnecessary as the wagon was rolling fast enough that he didn't even need to jump on tbh

This paragraph is untrue on a few points. You have been on peoples' lists the entire game. Some people thought you were unmotivated town. I myself took that into consideration and have tried to give you many chances to redeem yourself all game. You are correct that I didn't vote for bum. When I left for the night, he had 11 votes. I made a post that I thought he could be scum, and I did think he was. I'm not afraid to acknowledge that, nor am I afraid to acknowledge that I was wrong. I left my vote on geript because I think he's scum, and placing my vote on bum would have made 0 difference.

this post is the lynchpin for when i realized soniv was poohmandu:


again, it's subtle and it's not a direct statement. but soniv is pushing us toward lynching people based on their roles, not their alignment. town's job is to lynch mafia, not to lynch bad town that took a role that seems to aid mafia more than town. in fact, this post almost feels like a dare: "i dare you to spin [which would help mafia] to confirm your mafia-esque role so i can push a lynch on you, a townie." it's a big double whammy

I would love this explained to me. Where do I dare him to use his ability? I was literally saying "don't use your ability, why do you think that if you use it you will look town?". You're completely fabricating information here.



more sheepy spam that's not backed up by a vote. if roffles is mafia, vote to lynch him. if he's not, don't say you think he is.

This is not sheepy spam. My sentiment of "Roffles being Roffles" is echoed by others afterwards as well.

but of course when i call him out on it, he retracts into defensive mode again:


Again, I don't see where I'm being defensive. At this point, I'm sick of your inactivity and I was not going to enable your decision to not read the thread.

other post that bothered me:


hard to take seriously when at this point soniv himself has said nothing of worth

Have I found scum? Well, I think so, but we have yet to actually find that you. Have I done nothing of worth? Not by the hairs on my chiney-chin-chin. The JAT post I was referring to had no content, and this was said by more than just myself. There have been several instances of me trying to get lurkers to do things. I'm not saying I've been 100% useful, but I've done a hell of a lot more than nothing.

it's cut and dry, challengers. this guy might be diamond V in league of legends but his mafia skill is silver II. sorry soniv, no hard feelings. your personality just shows through too much to me and betrays your actual intentions.

##vote: jcarsoniv



also, make sure you touch up on bum's initial look at soniv. it didn't sway me at start, but once i picked up on a red vibe from soniv i looked back at it and agreed.

seeya nerds

On December 05 2013 06:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Will you stop holding your read hostage now Prome?

On November 30 2013 15:06 Rean wrote:
Can you guys stop shitting up this thread with bullshit discussions about my alignment based on me RPing as DL. It doesn't say shit about my alignment and discussing it is a waste of time, we should worry about bans instead.

On December 04 2013 06:39 Rean wrote:


I'm not actively reading the thread, just happened to be around at the time. And it really annoyed me that apparently it's okay to tell others to kill themselves over a fucking game.
ATM I don't have any opinions on anyone, didn't really read that much of the thread. Prolly gonna find someone that looks town enough and go full sheep.

On December 05 2013 08:03 JonnyLaw wrote:
Prome your case on me cannot ignore that early game league discussion. I was discussing with Bum the best champs to pick and ban because I thought it could help us win the game. I started this game trying to see how people play. I quickly realized that with a list of 30 players a lot of which already know each other from previous games this is difficult.

Take for example when I "called kush a weird dude" I was quickly jumped on by people saying that's how kush should be playing. He came into the thread threw out a couple reads and then posts one liners the rest of the game. That seems suspicious to me. If that's how he plays then fine.

-snip-

Why do Rean, Onegu, Coag, Kenpachi and Gtrsr all get byes for lurking?

This post is getting too long. I'll follow it up with the rest of my thoughts shortly.

On December 05 2013 08:28 justanothertownie wrote:
Hm, ok Prome. What you forgot to mention is that Rean was here most of the time and commented only on non game relevant things (almost instantly when they happened) but still claimed to not read the thread and excused himself like that. Reads to me like he is afraid to say something he can be hold responsible for in the long run - why hold back like that as town if he doesn't care how he looks anyways? But I get the feeling that points towards town for you too. If all those pople are town - how do we win this game?

Yeah, I gave you many +1s. I dont deny that. If I had seen something I really really disagree with I would have said it before you had to ask me to comment.