On November 22 2013 10:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey i want to know what happens if I do this

##unvote
##Vote: corazon

his reason for his vote is worse than anyone else's

Let's do it. Apparently nobody likes my Onegu wagon for some reason.

##unvote
##vote: corazon

@rayn
Please join this wagon.

That makes 3 votes. Need 4 more.

sciberbia

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November 22 2013 01:21 GMT

#917

@rayn
I'm thinking town on Aquanim based on reasons stated earlier and I have more important things to do right now then dig through obs QT's of one of my townier reads. I will look at him when I have time tonight but right now his lynch is not on the table. If you don't want to get lynched I suggest you join the Cora wagon.

sciberbia

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November 22 2013 01:27 GMT

#929

OK listen. For people not satisfied with a rayn lynch, we need to establish a decent counter wagon NOW or we will never have time to get 7 votes and people will just say "not enough time sorry let's just lynch rayn". My preferences are Onegu > Cora > Rean.

@thrawn, Mocsta, rayn, Holyflare, Onegu(?), Cora(?), anyone not wanting a rayn lynch
We need a god-damn counter wagon. Compromises have to be made -- not everybody can lynch their top choice. I started a wagon on Onegu which nobody would join. Thrawn and I started a wagon on Cora and thrawn jumped off. You guys need to put some votes down and consolidate.

sciberbia

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November 22 2013 01:37 GMT

#942

On November 22 2013 10:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol we shoudl random lynch. this thread is never going to compromise

I feel like Cora, Onegu, and Rean are far and away better lynches than rayn. Maybe I'll just look like an idiot if rayn flips red, but his filter is like 10 pages and at least he's here right now trying to force his will upon us.

Where are Cora, Onegu, and Rean? Nowhere to be seen. Now that there's no pressure on them to post they're all laying low and doing nothing to help us secure a good lynch at this crucial hour.

Lynching rayn over all of them doesn't sit right with me at all.

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

November 22 2013 01:39 GMT

#947

@Mocsta
No shit Onegu has shown no interest in the lynch today. WHERE IS YOUR VOTE?

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

November 22 2013 01:52 GMT

#976

On November 22 2013 10:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
Sorry guys I don't like onegu lynch either ##unvote and I will not vote again unless I've thought about it for more than 10 seconds.

zzzzzzzz. Dude if you think rayn is town you need to vote somebody else. If you keep voting and unvoting no counter wagon's ever going to start and rayn's going to get lynched by default. What don't you like about an Onegu lynch?

sciberbia

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November 22 2013 02:16 GMT

#1011

+ Show Spoiler [Bereft] +

On November 22 2013 10:59 Bereft wrote:
scib, here's the thing. i am not unwilling to compromise. it's not like i have no doubt in my mind. but rayn is not just my strongest read -- i don't see any value in keeping him around. as i stated when i voted for him, i think he's incredibly antitown with a terribly off-putting attitude. of course that attitude is gone now that he's under fire, but i think the way he busted into this thread on his high horse around page 33 is unacceptable.

Show nested quote +

if you can give me a strong case on why rayn is town and worth keeping around and why onegu/rean/cora are a better lynch, i will consider it.

@Bereft
I can't make a strong case that rayn is town, as I'm honestly not sure what to expect from a scum rayn, but I do think that everything I've seen from him this game town rayn is capable of doing.

Also I don't like the idea of lynching someone because "if he's town then he's worthless so it's a win-win". I dislike it in general. And specifically to rayn, if this helps you not lynch him, the last two times I've played with town rayn he has contributed significantly to town after questionable day 1's.

There's nothing more for me to say about onegu, cora, and rean as they are all NOT HERE, which should be telling. What is holding you back from lynching them?

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

November 22 2013 02:48 GMT

#1064

I'll consolidate to rayn if necessary.

But you guys really need to put your votes down. This is the problem with not having a counterwagon. Now we are just lynching rayn because we have no choice, not because that many people even think he's a good lynch.

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

November 22 2013 02:52 GMT

#1072

It looks like we're lynching rayn. I hope you guys are right about him but I can't say I feel very good about this lynch.

I'll move my vote in a few minutes if we still have no other consolidation.

sciberbia

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November 22 2013 02:56 GMT

#1083

##Unvote
##Vote: raynpelikoneet

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

November 22 2013 03:00 GMT

#1093

lame...
gg rayn

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

November 23 2013 01:38 GMT

#1175

Have some questions for you Cora.

1) Can you explain what you were talking about in this post? How exactly did you think rayn was trying to gain town cred by going on a rampage and martyring himself?

On November 22 2013 04:45 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really do not like Rayn martyring...tbh the concept of martyring has been beaten to death and I think he's just using it as a ploy to gain town cred.

2) If you think it would have been beneficial to scum to keep rayn alive yesterday EVEN given that he is town, why would you not vote for him yesterday? Surely if you think lynching town!rayn would be bad for scum, then it would be good for town? And if he flipped scum even better, right? I don't see how you reconcile voting for no lynch with claiming that it would have been better for scum to no-lynch yesterday.

sciberbia

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November 23 2013 02:53 GMT

#1196

this is derp on top of derp

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

November 23 2013 03:00 GMT

#1200

If I die I think the best lynch is still Onegu.

Rean remains scummy and has barely posted in 2 days. I'd like to assume he wouldn't lie about having being bedridden, but if he maintains his current level of (in)activity we will have no choice but to lynch him.

Cora also has a good chance of being scum.

This HF claim is so stupid I don't even know what to think about it.

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

November 23 2013 03:02 GMT

#1203

So HF what's the deal here?

Are you sticking with your doctor claim? And who did you save? Did you actually save thrawn?

sciberbia

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November 23 2013 03:10 GMT

#1211

On November 23 2013 12:06 Holyflare wrote:
Like i said earlier "i think thrawn is very towny" so he was my most likely save, if i get vigd and flip doctor you then knew who my heal was on and so it stops any attempted shenanigans that scum can pull. He should get free town cred by way of this. If it gets to night 2 however and a double shot happens then seriously reconsider etc etc. That was my line of thought anyway

Did you consider changing your prot target given that half the thread saw your doctor claim? Do you really think scum would have shot thrawn after you said you saved him?

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

November 23 2013 03:10 GMT

#1213

On November 23 2013 12:04 cDgCorazon wrote:
Scum didn't kill. I'm pretty confident in that fact.

They are very certain that today's lynch will be town, which would fall in line with their decision to lynch Rayn and not have him be lynched today.

So what's your conclusion here? That Onegu & Rean are town?

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

November 23 2013 12:06 GMT

#1317

The cases on Bereft and Aquanim don't convince me. While I didn't agree with Bereft about rayn being scum, I can understand how somebody who hasn't played with rayn before would think that nobody could possibly play town like that. In general his filter reads genuine enough to me and I like the thought he put in regarding the Holyflare situation. Leaning slightly town on him.

Thrawn I think you just have some sort of mental block regarding Aquanim. Either it's confirmation bias or you just don't like the way he talks idk. I pretty much agree with all of his reads and everything he's said this entire game. I can't really see a scum player being so inside my head. You two are probably my strongest townreads and I strongly think we should look elsewhere.

So here are the people I'd consider lynching today (same list as Aquanim):
Cora, Onegu, rean, holyflare, jamp

holyflare's claim is sketchy as hell and we definitely do need to grill him about it. But lynching a claimed doctor on the day he claims (before LYLO) doesn't make a whole ton of sense especially because scum might have two shots for tomorrow. So even if they shoot him he could make a save. If two people die then we'd have to very seriously consider lynching him D3.

Rean and jamp literally have not posted more than once in like 2 days I think. Between the two I think what there is of Rean's filter is significantly scummier, and depending on what he does (or doesn't do) today he could very realistically be the best lynch.

I thought Onegu looked slightly better for interacting with the thread for once, until he started talking about how it would be best to martyr himself. I want to see these cases on Bereft and Mocsta.

Cora I'm still leaning scum on and I'd be willing to lynch him today, but only if the above players demonstrate some towniness.

Also we need to get this question answered now

Will players such as Rean and jamp be modkilled or replaced if they do not vote today?

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

November 23 2013 12:11 GMT

#1320

In conclusion I think Rean and Onegu are the best lynches at this moment, but we really need more contributions from them as well as jamp/HF in order to make progress today.

Lynching outside of those 4 doesn't make a lot of sense to me as the rest of the players are much more active/useful and also happen to be less likely to be scum imo.

sciberbia

United States1359 Posts

November 23 2013 12:12 GMT

#1321

lol onegu