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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 16:58 GMT
#290
EBWOP: I'm going to class, I'll be back in a few hours.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 17:02 GMT
#292
[QUOTE]On November 21 2013 02:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 21 2013 01:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
Perhaps I could have come to that conclusion in-between my first post and the "rocking the boat" post.[/QUOTE]
Well this is what I'm trying to find out. Did you not have a scum read in the first post but did in the 2nd? If so, what changed yoiur mind?
/QUOTE]

Yes because I am going to have a scum read on sciberia after 1 page of mostly joke posting...
JJD why are you grasping at straws? To me, it looks like you want to make a case on me but the focal point is "Cora changed his read on sci for no reason" and you are trying to fish favorable answers out of me because you know you can't twist my words any more than you are currently.

Off to school. For realsies.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 17:03 GMT
#293
EBWOP:
On November 21 2013 02:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 01:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
Perhaps I could have come to that conclusion in-between my first post and the "rocking the boat" post.

Well this is what I'm trying to find out. Did you not have a scum read in the first post but did in the 2nd? If so, what changed yoiur mind?


Yes because I am going to have a scum read on sciberia after 1 page of mostly joke posting...
JJD why are you grasping at straws? To me, it looks like you want to make a case on me but the focal point is "Cora changed his read on sci for no reason" and you are trying to fish favorable answers out of me because you know you can't twist my words any more than you are currently.

Off to school. For realsies.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 20:33 GMT
#364
Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not.

The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 20:51 GMT
#366
On November 21 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cora why not having "any original reasoning" for voting for someone is scummy?
People sheep all the time.

But sheeping on arguments made 15 hours ago? That's not scummy?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 20:56 GMT
#368
JJD. I'm done with that. If you fail to read my filter then I don't feel obliged to answer the same questions over and over again.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 21:00 GMT
#370
On November 21 2013 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 05:51 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 21 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cora why not having "any original reasoning" for voting for someone is scummy?
People sheep all the time.

But sheeping on arguments made 15 hours ago? That's not scummy?

I dunno, does the argument somehow vanish if it gets "too old"?

Well to me it looks like an attempt to make a case without doing the work.
It also doesn't help when I've refuted all of the points and he still decides to make the case. It's scummy because it's fake scum-hunting.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 21:04 GMT
#374
On November 21 2013 06:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote:
JJD. I'm done with that. If you fail to read my filter then I don't feel obliged to answer the same questions over and over again.
I have read your filter.

No need to answer it again it you did, just please link or quote a post where you explain the reason you had a scumread on sciberia @ that point in the game that isn't because of his first post.

I've explained my thinking behind those posts already. So no.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 21:24 GMT
#379
On November 21 2013 06:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 06:04 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 21 2013 06:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On November 21 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote:
JJD. I'm done with that. If you fail to read my filter then I don't feel obliged to answer the same questions over and over again.
I have read your filter.

No need to answer it again it you did, just please link or quote a post where you explain the reason you had a scumread on sciberia @ that point in the game that isn't because of his first post.

I've explained my thinking behind those posts already. So no.

Yes you explained your thinking behind those posts. ANd that thinking directly contradicts what you're saying in the post I quoted.

Here's a post where you try to explain your thinking:

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Thrawn
When I made that post, I was thinking along the lines of "I think sci's actions are looking pretty scummy." In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum.

Well if the page 1 posts are "mostly joke posting" then why would you think that his post is scummy for doing a poor job of creating a good town atmosphere ?

You specifically say here that you would NOT have a scum read on him for his page 1 joke posting
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 02:03 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yes because I am going to have a scum read on sciberia after 1 page of mostly joke posting...

So I ask again. Why did you think Sci was scummy?

Sorry when you said my filter I thought you meant that I read the whole filter. Read more plz
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 21:24 GMT
#380
EBWOP:
you meant that you read my whole filter
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 21:27 GMT
#381
On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.

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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 21:34 GMT
#385
Null -> Sci is annoying -> Sci is scummy

That is my progression of reads on Sci in the posts you made. Is that ok?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 21:40 GMT
#386
Yeah it better be ok because it's the last I'm answering about it. You're not reading my filter...I made several posts about where I talk about why I was suspicious of Sci. The end.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 21:57 GMT
#391
This is a stupid read and smells of fake scum-hunting:
On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 12:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
Moc obv town. Fuck da police!

I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said.

agree or disagree.


This is the post where he basically copies me and then denies it:
On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!

mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other


@thrawn
You are masons?

Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it.

I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing.


This is where he denies copying me and he twists my words to make it look like I already assumed they were masons:
On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [cora] +

On November 20 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 12:49 sciberbia wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:43 sciberbia wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Who wants a free town read? I've only got one, get it while supplies last! All you need to do is be the first to respond to this post!

mocsta is ineligible because him and I are already confirmed town to each other


@thrawn
You are masons?

Thx for piggybacking on my post. I really appreciate it.

I didnt' 'piggyback' on your post. Our posts aren't saying at all the same thing.

My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..."
Your post said "you are mason?"

So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing".



@cora
You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason.



And then the other point of him not putting his vote where his mouth is was disproved when he voted for me, although it should be noted that he didn't vote for me until I pointed that out.

TBH if it sounds like I'm not interested in the case it's because I've said this shit before and sci has fallen down my scumlist now that Aqua and Onegu look really scummy.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 22:01 GMT
#392
On November 21 2013 06:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 06:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yeah it better be ok because it's the last I'm answering about it. You're not reading my filter...I made several posts about where I talk about why I was suspicious of Sci. The end.

You don't get to end it. Would you rather I vote for you instead of question you about it? Stop saying I'm not reading your filter because I've read it more than I've read anyone elses as evidenced by the fact that I've quoted the shit out of it.

TBH I never care about people voting for me or not. I'm town and I know it. I can take the knowledge of my towniness to the grave and if you all lynch me (which probably isn't going to happen) you'll figure out things about the real scum.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 22:08 GMT
#394
On November 21 2013 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Corazon i believe sciberbia when he says it was a discussion starter (the first post). Do you believe you two may have just looked things differently about your mason-incident? Because i find that to be the most likely explanation. I don't think either of you is lying or trying to make shit up, you just read each other's posts differently.

I agree with you on Aquanim and Onegu. What do you think of Bereft?

I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to think of Bereft, other than the fact that he is lurking. I hate lurker lynches D1. I wonder if he will come back.

If I may return the favor, how do you feel about LoneMeow? Would you place him on the same lurker level as Bereft? The one post I remember of his was not a very good one.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 22:10 GMT
#395
EBWOP:
I also said (in an earlier post) that I didn't like how he was trying to bring conversation off of Aqua and onto me. That's what concerns me about LM.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 22:35 GMT
#400
Can we get a votecount please? Thank you.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 23:40 GMT
#417
To be honest Aqua you say that there was "new information" on me which prompted you to change your vote but I think that claim is all smoke and mirrors. You wanted town to waste time arguing about me and not have anyone notice your lack of in-depth analysis and definite reads on anyone in the game. When Rean asked for it, you started attacking him and never answered his request directly even though multiple people thought it was a fair request.

Sure Rean has contradicted himself a few times and the accusations against him are true, I don't think they warrant a full-on case on him and I don't think that he should be lynched for it. You seem to be all about looking like you are scum hunting and jumping on the right wagons and the timing of your changes of reads seem to indicate you are just trying to play for survival, which is what scum like to do.

I can't wait to see your observations of the last ten pages or so and to hear you try to change the lynch subject yet again.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 20 2013 23:58 GMT
#424
On November 21 2013 08:51 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 08:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
To be honest Aqua you say that there was "new information" on me which prompted you to change your vote but I think that claim is all smoke and mirrors. You wanted town to waste time arguing about me and not have anyone notice your lack of in-depth analysis and definite reads on anyone in the game. When Rean asked for it, you started attacking him and never answered his request directly even though multiple people thought it was a fair request.

Sure Rean has contradicted himself a few times and the accusations against him are true, I don't think they warrant a full-on case on him and I don't think that he should be lynched for it. You seem to be all about looking like you are scum hunting and jumping on the right wagons and the timing of your changes of reads seem to indicate you are just trying to play for survival, which is what scum like to do.

I can't wait to see your observations of the last ten pages or so and to hear you try to change the lynch subject yet again.

I'm not sure there's any point in talking to you since 1) you're likely scum and 2) you've already made up your mind apparently.

Actually, you know what? Try justifying some of your wild claims first.

I've explained that I was waiting to see if you were going to back up your sciberbia case with a vote, and when you didn't I became much more suspicious of you. In what way is that smoke and mirrors?

What is your evidence that I wanted town to waste time arguing about you?

My attacking Rean WAS an answer to his question. He wanted to know my scumread - and it was Rean himself. I also had a scumread on you but I thought it would be more useful and I'd learn more by pushing Rean at that time, as I've explained.

Would you care to further explain why you think the argument why Rean is scum is weaker than the argument why I am? You've said that without actually justifying why you think it's so.

Oh, and why shouldn't I try to change the lynch subject when most everyone is voting for me?

I already justified why I didn't vote for sci.
My claim is that you jumped on my wagon to give the impression you are scum hunting when you aren't. Look at the timings of the votes and that is proof right there.

I'll accept your answer on responding to Rean.

Because Rean has been open about his ideas and he is trying to solve the game. He's done more than simply piggyback on people and kick them while they are down. I just don't get a scummy vibe from Rean.
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