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On December 02 2013 08:07 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 20:08 Mocsta wrote:
Back on a comp now, and about to start filter diving.
Holyflare first + some VCA + I have to double check if Corazon maintained his ##no-lynch to deadline (because in my memory he swapped to Rayn). If his ##no-lynch was maintained, this looks pretty bad as he has never voted with town for all finished lynches.
Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 06:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
The bold is a complete lie. I voted for JJD. Why did you blatantly lie Mocsta? Were you expecting town not to look at the votecounts? Why are you throwing lies and shit accusations everywhere? Someone is confirmation biased. *I* pasted the votecounts for all 3 days. Did I comment on this in the VCA which followed after this. *No* Because double-check showed it was wrong. Jesus Christ.. this game is lost because after Onegu you are just going to tunnel me and listen to no one. And because its majority lynch, you have all the power.
You said your double check was about the Rayn lynch and then made a statement that conveniently had nothing to do with the JJD lynch.
The second sentence has the first part a true fact (that I no-lynched D1) followed up by a conclusion that was a blatant lie. If you had said that you were going to check the JJD lynch, then it would've been alright. But since you didn't, it is you throwing lies around.
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On December 02 2013 09:16 Bereft wrote:
the issue is that you don't sound like a paranoid, confused townie. you sound like you are pushing an agenda. I believe you referred to scib as licking my balls and cuddling up to me. the word choice seems to me more indicative of someone trying to plant doubt than someone questioning assumptions and generating discussion. it raises a red flag is all.
do you still think onegu is irrefutably scum? do you think scib is more likely to be scum than slam?
To piggyback a bit on this point, it is MYLO. You should not be acting like a paranoid townie. You should have enough confidence in one lynch and push it. Being a strong town player Moc, you should know this more than anyone. So why is it that you refuse to lynch Onegu again?
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On December 02 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 09:47 cDgCorazon wrote:
So why is it that you refuse to lynch Onegu again? Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 21:59 Mocsta wrote:On December 01 2013 16:58 ObviousOne wrote:Basic Vote Count Onegu (2): Mocsta, cDgCorazon, Alakaslam, cDgCorazon (2): Onegu, Mocsta Not Voting (2): Bereft, sciberbia
No one is currently set to be lynched.
6 players alive means 4 votes to lynch. If you find an error in the vote count, please let me know.
Day 4 ends in at 03:00 GMT (+00:00) (1) My final scum team is: Holyflare, Onegu, Sciberbia (2) ##Vote: OneguI am voting Onegu as we need consolidation. (3) Bereft We need you on Onegu I even ask Bereft to consolidate I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
You're still reluctant to lynch him. You're only doing it for consolidation. Why are Sciberia/Slam/myself scummier than Onegu?
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On December 01 2013 14:09 Mocsta wrote:
I'm down with a Corazon lynch
I think I'm alive because I have a strong town read in someone I shouldn't.
I will be home in about 6hrs and am will filter dive from there.
Scibs has voiced my concern pretty well. Oddly enough he didn't seem concerned I called him out. This game is just odd and my care factor has sunk to zilch.
That's courtesy if Corazon. I'm happy to lynch hun for funsies.
##unvote
##vote:Corazon
So this post is from an alternate universe or something?
You write on sentence about how I could be town due to a post by HF but then you say I'm still suspicious. If that one point is enough to give you a town read on me, why did you vote for me in the first place?
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Mocsta, half of your defense is "those things are scummy but they don't make me scummy"...what?
Look, I'm going to make this simple. You started the Rayn bandwagon. You prodded him until he blew up. You KNEW that he would blow up if provoked and you did that. It's ridiculously anti-town to get Rayn to blow up and you should have known that there were better lynches D1.
If you are saying that my case is based off of Onegu being scum, why are you so afraid so lynch Onegu? You said he is scum (in red letters) D2 and you decided to lynch both JJD and HF over him? You don't even want to lynch him now. Hell, I don't even know who you WANT to lynch today. You're just reluctantly going on the Onegu wagon. It just reads to me like you are afraid of what will happen when Onegu flips red.
The game makes sense with you being scum, Mocsta. Do you understand that? HF and Onegu have waffled on their reads on you and it looks really suspicious. Please, tell me how you would have played and who you would have nightkilled first if you were scum.
There are 3 strong town players and 1 active town player in this group:
Rayn
Aqua
You
Me
These 4 people have driven the thread the entire game. Without them, the scum would have a really easy time directing the lynches. I'm town, so there is a good chance that you are scum. If we are both town, we would not be here right now.
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Why has it taken you since N1 (almost 140 hours) to get from the conclusion that Onegu is scum to keeping your vote on him for more than 3 hours?
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On November 22 2013 13:11 Mocsta wrote:Btw, I think Thrawn is town. I did very much 24hrs ago; and his compulsion to keep swapping votes is towny to me. It could put him heavily under suspicion when rayn flipped town, and frankly, was unnecessary as scum play. I thought Aqua was town from 24hrs ago as well. Holy states that aqua is ignoring everything, but that is not my opinion. If anything, Aqua can't stop bantering back with Rayn. Again, this is over done knowing it is a town flip. Aqua could have easily nested on his read - but he did not. I have a town lean on him, but wiill still be reading his cases carefully (and with Rayn gone I expect more output like cases from him) Me: I was transparent about policy. You want to call that mafia, whatever. I knwo this game is 100% different to my recent scum game. Nothing more needs to be said + I dont knwo why you keep insinuating I am intimate with Rayns meta. I have expectations of his play, but I am not a connoiseur of him at all. Onegu: Looks pretty bad I agree regardless of AFK. Show nested quote +Anyway mocsta is my biggest scumread now. Also Rayn is a terrible lynch today please change, ill try to be up for deadline but no promises. This in particular. Nothing to do with the AFK its got to do with how he went about the situation. He gives rayn a town read, and forces town to consider Rayns thread opposition (me) Compare this to Corazon who is trying to avoid continuing this ego battle - Onegu instead fans the flames. Onegu *is* scum
The post I am referencing. This was about 9 days ago (216 hours).
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"I AM 100% CERTAIN THAT ONEGU IS SCUM"
-Corazon, 2013
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On November 21 2013 23:43 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 23:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:On November 21 2013 23:21 jampidampi wrote:
How does admitting mistakes make someone town? You seem quite certain that he is in fact town. Especially since Rayn had a scumread on Rean earlier in the day. Basically the fact that Rean admitted he made a mistake makes Rayn switch from thinking he's scum, to balls out hardcore defending him. Wild theory #1(stated previously) Vonthin has played 3 newbies all town. Suddenly rolls scum and replaces out before posting  Wild Theory #2Rayn got his role pm (scum) and decided to replace into the thread before joining the QT. After a while gets town reads and realises Rean is on his team. backpedals suddenly and we stuck with this rayn now who is miles apart from the rayn yesterday.
This post started the Rayn craziness. What was the purpose of this? To provoke Rayn
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Also, no one was suspicious enough to lynch you D3 except for the two scum players HF and Onegu. HF didn't even want to lynch anyone and Onegu made a weak-ass case on you. I didn't want to lynch you D3. That leaves 2 possible people suspicious of you.
You were not going to be lynched anytime soon so it actually does makes sense to get rid of people who would be better at finding townies. All you had to do was lynch one townie and you would have won the game. Your point is not valid there.
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On December 02 2013 11:00 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 10:50 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 21 2013 23:43 Mocsta wrote:On November 21 2013 23:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:On November 21 2013 23:21 jampidampi wrote:
How does admitting mistakes make someone town? You seem quite certain that he is in fact town. Especially since Rayn had a scumread on Rean earlier in the day. Basically the fact that Rean admitted he made a mistake makes Rayn switch from thinking he's scum, to balls out hardcore defending him. Wild theory #1(stated previously) Vonthin has played 3 newbies all town. Suddenly rolls scum and replaces out before posting Wild Theory #2Rayn got his role pm (scum) and decided to replace into the thread before joining the QT. After a while gets town reads and realises Rean is on his team. backpedals suddenly and we stuck with this rayn now who is miles apart from the rayn yesterday. This post started the Rayn craziness. What was the purpose of this? To provoke Rayn Yeah OK, I provoked him and what? Why is it scummy to provoke people Corazon? I had a town read on Aquanim and a scum read on Rean. Rayn was swapping from Rean to Aqua suddenly. Again, why can't I prod. Even with the above, you completely neglect that Thrawn threw out several points against Rayn long before the quote above. Be consistent dude.
You should have known that Rayn has a limit and that if that limit is pushed, what happened D1 happens. He voted you so obviously you were the one who provoked him too much.
It's one thing to prod him with logical questions but to make a post like that has only one intention: to push Rayn past the limit.
It's scummy cause you got Rayn lynched with it.
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On December 02 2013 11:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 10:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
Also, no one was suspicious enough to lynch you D3 except for the two scum players HF and Onegu. HF didn't even want to lynch anyone and Onegu made a weak-ass case on you. I didn't want to lynch you D3. That leaves 2 possible people suspicious of you.
You were not going to be lynched anytime soon so it actually does makes sense to get rid of people who would be better at finding townies. All you had to do was lynch one townie and you would have won the game. Your point is not valid there. Why even make this post? I put 3 scenarios I can think off the top of my head, and the one I felt was most likely wasnt even the one you are talking about here.
The 4th scenario is that you are scum
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Also "I have a town read on a scummer" doesn't give you the liberty to switch reads every 3 hours.
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On December 02 2013 11:08 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 11:02 cDgCorazon wrote:On December 02 2013 11:00 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 10:50 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 21 2013 23:43 Mocsta wrote:On November 21 2013 23:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:On November 21 2013 23:21 jampidampi wrote:
How does admitting mistakes make someone town? You seem quite certain that he is in fact town. Especially since Rayn had a scumread on Rean earlier in the day. Basically the fact that Rean admitted he made a mistake makes Rayn switch from thinking he's scum, to balls out hardcore defending him. Wild theory #1(stated previously) Vonthin has played 3 newbies all town. Suddenly rolls scum and replaces out before posting Wild Theory #2Rayn got his role pm (scum) and decided to replace into the thread before joining the QT. After a while gets town reads and realises Rean is on his team. backpedals suddenly and we stuck with this rayn now who is miles apart from the rayn yesterday. This post started the Rayn craziness. What was the purpose of this? To provoke Rayn Yeah OK, I provoked him and what? Why is it scummy to provoke people Corazon? I had a town read on Aquanim and a scum read on Rean. Rayn was swapping from Rean to Aqua suddenly. Again, why can't I prod. Even with the above, you completely neglect that Thrawn threw out several points against Rayn long before the quote above. Be consistent dude. You should have known that Rayn has a limit and that if that limit is pushed, what happened D1 happens. He voted you so obviously you were the one who provoked him too much. It's one thing to prod him with logical questions but to make a post like that has only one intention: to push Rayn past the limit. It's scummy cause you got Rayn lynched with it. it's conjecture. Far from pushing him to the limit. Wild accusations from you to suit your theory. Why ignore thrawns earlier case....
Why make a post like that?
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Plz answer these too
On December 02 2013 10:01 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 09:47 cDgCorazon wrote:
So why is it that you refuse to lynch Onegu again? On December 01 2013 21:59 Mocsta wrote:On December 01 2013 16:58 ObviousOne wrote:Basic Vote Count Onegu (2): Mocsta, cDgCorazon, Alakaslam, cDgCorazon (2): Onegu, Mocsta Not Voting (2): Bereft, sciberbia
No one is currently set to be lynched.
6 players alive means 4 votes to lynch. If you find an error in the vote count, please let me know.
Day 4 ends in at 03:00 GMT (+00:00) (1) My final scum team is: Holyflare, Onegu, Sciberbia (2) ##Vote: OneguI am voting Onegu as we need consolidation. (3) Bereft We need you on Onegu I even ask Bereft to consolidate I don't have a clue what you are talking about. You're still reluctant to lynch him. You're only doing it for consolidation. Why are Sciberia/Slam/myself scummier than Onegu?
On December 02 2013 10:15 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 14:09 Mocsta wrote:
I'm down with a Corazon lynch
I think I'm alive because I have a strong town read in someone I shouldn't.
I will be home in about 6hrs and am will filter dive from there.
Scibs has voiced my concern pretty well. Oddly enough he didn't seem concerned I called him out. This game is just odd and my care factor has sunk to zilch.
That's courtesy if Corazon. I'm happy to lynch hun for funsies.
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##vote:Corazon So this post is from an alternate universe or something? You write on sentence about how I could be town due to a post by HF but then you say I'm still suspicious. If that one point is enough to give you a town read on me, why did you vote for me in the first place?
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On December 02 2013 11:10 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 11:04 cDgCorazon wrote:
Also "I have a town read on a scummer" doesn't give you the liberty to switch reads every 3 hours. Right. So poor play is scummy play? Stop being a Noob and looking at actions. Are my flips transparent... If so.. it's typical of town motivation. If bot transparent. Then I am hiding behind wishy washyness which is typical of scum. Considering I have been upfront the entire game, I can not comprehend how this is being associated as scummy vs poor.
Does taking "wishywashyness" and calling it "transparency" make you town? No.
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On December 02 2013 11:11 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 11:10 cDgCorazon wrote:On December 02 2013 11:08 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 11:02 cDgCorazon wrote:On December 02 2013 11:00 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 10:50 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 21 2013 23:43 Mocsta wrote:On November 21 2013 23:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:On November 21 2013 23:21 jampidampi wrote:
How does admitting mistakes make someone town? You seem quite certain that he is in fact town. Especially since Rayn had a scumread on Rean earlier in the day. Basically the fact that Rean admitted he made a mistake makes Rayn switch from thinking he's scum, to balls out hardcore defending him. Wild theory #1(stated previously) Vonthin has played 3 newbies all town. Suddenly rolls scum and replaces out before posting Wild Theory #2Rayn got his role pm (scum) and decided to replace into the thread before joining the QT. After a while gets town reads and realises Rean is on his team. backpedals suddenly and we stuck with this rayn now who is miles apart from the rayn yesterday. This post started the Rayn craziness. What was the purpose of this? To provoke Rayn Yeah OK, I provoked him and what? Why is it scummy to provoke people Corazon? I had a town read on Aquanim and a scum read on Rean. Rayn was swapping from Rean to Aqua suddenly. Again, why can't I prod. Even with the above, you completely neglect that Thrawn threw out several points against Rayn long before the quote above. Be consistent dude. You should have known that Rayn has a limit and that if that limit is pushed, what happened D1 happens. He voted you so obviously you were the one who provoked him too much. It's one thing to prod him with logical questions but to make a post like that has only one intention: to push Rayn past the limit. It's scummy cause you got Rayn lynched with it. it's conjecture. Far from pushing him to the limit. Wild accusations from you to suit your theory. Why ignore thrawns earlier case.... Why make a post like that? because you ignored thrawn provoking rayn before I did. I am highlighting your tunnel.
Because you ignored how stupid and useless that post was.
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On December 02 2013 11:12 Mocsta wrote:
Both have been answered
Where is the breakdown?
You haven't answered them. You don't want an Onegu lynch and you're just going with it because consolidation. Standing out on this lynch is basically a scum claim. But you don't want this lynch and haven't explained why sciberia isn't scummier than Onegu. Do you believe in your reads anymore?
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On December 02 2013 11:19 Mocsta wrote:
See Corazon
You aren't talking to me to ascertain ny alignment.
.you have already made up your mind and will take whatever I say negatively.
This is a back to basics game. I hope you learn from this and take on the feedback.
I stand by you being town abd I stand by you being stubborn.
This game is over regardless of whether onegu flips town or scum.
Because you refuse to touch on the fact that you said "Onegu is scum" N1 and haven't pushed for his lynch (or anyone else's lynch) since then. Ever since N1 you haven't had the same reads for 3 hours at a time and you don't even believe in the ones you have now.
You don't want to lynch Onegu. Admit it.
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