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On November 27 2013 14:06 Mocsta wrote:
U and holy are ruining this game.
Gm is a good host and deserves better than this.
You need to cook down and reread the last 3 pages.
Holy has scum claimed with how he keeps taking pot shots.
Look how he uses MY VT role pm to call you out for a fake claim.
Turns out he was right, but why is my role pm valid if he thinks I'm scum
Holyflare can play decent town. Even if he is time poor he doesn't have to be like this.
Again I want to know why you chose scibs. I also want to know why your opinion changed from. NIght 1 to day2...wtf??
I got a green check on him. Or did he?
I'm a good player and I deserve better than this, Mocsta.
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On November 22 2013 11:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
You know what, I don't want any part of this. Rayn and Moc are just battling with their egos and this whole thing is silly. I would say that I'd rather have Rayn be lynched so we can move on to more things but I also think it is really stupid that we are voting Rayn out when it's pretty obvious to me now that he is town.
##unvote
##Vote: No-lynch
This is stupid and I can't believe that it has come to this. Rayn is a bad lynch and Onegu/Aqua are way better lynches today.
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Well too bad Mocsta, you're not getting an explanation. Boo Hoo
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On November 27 2013 14:13 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 14:10 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well too bad Mocsta, you're not getting an explanation. Boo Hoo How convenient.
Vote me then. I know you want to.
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I'm out, time to bullshit an English essay.
##unvote
##Vote: Onegu
My ultimatum still stands. Me or Onegu.
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Moc, why do you always have to have your way? Let someone else's lynch happen for god's sake
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Yeah so I don't plan on playing until Onegu is dead. Happy Thanksgiving.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm gonna guess night kill will be Alakaslam/Sciberia. I'm spoilering this b/c I know Onegu won't read it.
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Maybe it's slam then?
##Vote: Onegu
See you guys after the deadline.
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Mocsta and I haven't been killed because when we would flip town, Onegu's "scumhunting" would fall completely apart.
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Actually thinking about it, I'd be down for a Mocsta lynch after Onegu. I'll give more analysis after Onegu's flip.
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@Slam:
Can you look at Mocsta's game from a scum perspective (scum kills, HF's reads, the rayn lynch) and tell me if it makes sense for Mocsta to be scum?
The wheels have been turning in my head and I'm liking what I'm thinking.
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On December 01 2013 14:15 Mocsta wrote:
Like.. the more I think about.. the more I think it's stupid for onegu and holyflare to push the same agenda so hard.
It's more likely in my opinion for holyflare to be feeding onegu
Plus Corazon has slowly been banking towards a push on me ever since bereft showed signs of weakness in his town read on me.
I really have to re read holyflare filter.
If the lynch is between slam and onegu, I am considering a slam lynch right now instead
Why are you so reluctant to lynch Onegu?
Why can't you keep your story straight for more than 6 hours at a time?
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Ok guys. I've figured it out. Mocsta is probably scum and I will make the case tomorrow.
It all works in my head, I just need to put it into words.
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Onegu, if you weren't scum I would call you a hypocrite. You spent 3 days promising a case on me before making it. There is this thing called sleep that is really lovely.
Mocsta case coming soon, 1-2 hours. I have to make it look all pretty for y'all.
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On December 02 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 01:53 cDgCorazon wrote:
Onegu, if you weren't scum I would call you a hypocrite. You spent 3 days promising a case on me before making it. There is this thing called sleep that is really lovely.
Mocsta case coming soon, 1-2 hours. I have to make it look all pretty for y'all. I got it in before deadline, you are waiting until after deadline. If you make it before deadline like you say you are then great.
The deadline is in 10 hours. Can you please give up, scum? You're looking really pathetic.
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I would like to preface this case with "I want to lynch Onegu first but if you can't settle on lynching him, here is an alternate lynch". Mocsta looks a lot scummier with the inevitable Onegu flip (I call it inevitable because Onegu is scum and I've proven it 5 times this game) and I will prove to you guys why.
Thesis (TL;DR in paragraph form)
+ Show Spoiler +Mocsta is scum due to his actions completely matching a scum Mocsta (lynches/nightkills) and his interactions within an Onegu/HF/Mocsta scum team. His D1 agenda was to attempt to take out either Rayn or Aqua (both strong town players, which he tried to do by sheeping on the Aqua wagon and was successful by manipulating Rayn's tempermental personality to blow up and have him basically self-claim scum). He sheeped on the JJD lynch to take out a townie. The night kill on Aqua was because he is a strong town player and the night kill on Thrawn was because Thrawn was buddying him and having a town read on Mocsta (an attempt to gain town cred). His interactions with HF and Onegu (especially with his reluctance to lynch Onegu) is an attempt for him to save his buddies and win today.
Part 1: Mocsta's actions this game and how they work from a scum prespective
This part assumes that: - Mocsta is good at scum (which is not much of a stretch)
- Mocsta knows the playstyles of others and know who are strong townies (not much of a stretch either)
Mocsta's votes and the nightkills make complete sense from Mocsta's perspective. Any scum player would go into this game and ask themselves "Who are the strongest town players here?". The answers from scum Mocsta would be simple: Rayn and Aqua. His goal would be to take those two out as quickly as possible. He jumps on the Aqua lynch really easily and for no reason:
On November 20 2013 17:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
Another thing I didn't like about this defense is that he was neither suspicious of my motives, nor did he get angry, frustrated, annoyed, etc at me for being a bad townie via my reading him incorrectly. I was very emphatic about my opinion that he is mafia and I expect him to reply with either of the two responses I just mentioned. Quote of the day. + Show Spoiler +Its interesting the case on Rean only came out after I gave some meta speil on Aquanim being proactive  I gotta get some credit mason man Choo-Choo !!
Mocsta saw this lynch as a stupidly easy way to get Aquanim lynched D1 and jumped at the chance. He just +1s Thrawn and gives absolutely no reason for an Aqua lynch. This just screams of scum trying to get a good town player lynched without having to nightkill him.
We then move onto the Rayn lynch, which I don't really need quotes for. Mocsta knows Rayn's personality. Rayn can be a real big asset to town but can also make everyone think he is scum when he is agitated enough. What did Mocsta do? He sat there and waited for an opening to prod Rayn. Once he did that, the 12-hour shitfight that was the conclusion of D1 happened and Rayn basically scum claimed as town. That was "directly" caused by Mocsta and it's ridiculously scummy.
D2 was really scummy for Mocsta. He says that:
On November 23 2013 09:16 Mocsta wrote:
sihh
you huysbare playing like rayn.
looking too much into words spoken and go.... oohh scum slip scum slip.
thats stupid play.. townies say incorrect things all the time
need to start looking into motive. anyone reading the thread from page 27 onwards should have known with crystal clear clarity that rayn was the elephant in the room that needed too be discussed.
avoiding this discussion is scummy, especially because he is green in hindsight.
giving weak beans reasons that he istown, and presenting a counter and then disappearing is also weak beans. all that is doing is satisfying the checklist of what to do near a lynch.
conviction people.
I expect the night kill to be myself or thrawn, probably thrawn since some of you are starting to question me.
if I die, please read over my posts carefully. my confirmed flip DOES NOT make my reads right, but at least guarantees my intent is there.
people like onegu, holy, rwan [rean] are the best flips for day2.
I would go with holyflare personally as he has the best chance to convince you guys he is town but for all the wrong reasons,
cheers guys, I have enjoyed playing this game and don't regret lynching rayn. I feel it was a byproduct of having a majority lynch setup but we can save thiabdiscussion for post game.
if I'm alive, I will be out for maybe the first 24hrs. sorry, but real life is real life.
good lcuk
Yet does absolutely nothing to get these 3 lynched. I tried to get a wagon started on Onegu and he said that he would vote for Onegu, yet:
On November 25 2013 10:40 Mocsta wrote:
Thanks guys for the feedback.
I feel as frantic with the rayyn lynch.
Whereas two cycles in a row he diesnt care.
Why is it that it's all the same people talking at this pivotal time.
I'm confident we are all town, and scum are letting us in fight with each other.
Yes, wagon of justice.
##vote: jarjardrinks
He gives no reason for lynching JJD. He didn't say he wanted to consolidate and he didn't say that JJD is scum for X reason. He's just trying to steer the lynch off of Holyflare/Onegu. That is why he lied about planning on voting for Onegu, even though he said multiple times that he though Onegu was scum and that he wanted to lynch Onegu. Why wasn't he pushing his reads? He spent D2 jumping targets and trying to lynch outside of yourself/Onegu (who I proved was scum)/HF (who was pretty scummy). It screams of survival for the team over actually trying to lynch scum. The JJD wagon was a great excuse to coast his way into MYLO.
The nightkills N2 also make sense from Mocsta's perspective. He got rid of Aquanim, the other strong town player, and Thrawn, someone who had buddied him. He thought that we would take Thrawn's strong town read on Mocsta and take it as true words from a dead VT. This is the part where Mocsta should have died. If Aqua/Rayn/Mocsta/myself are all dead, the thread comes to a standstill. We saw this from D2 when Mocsta was strapped for time and it was just Aqua and I pushing the thread with Mocsta chiming in. The fact that scum did not want to take this huge advantage and kill town Mocsta makes me really suspicious as to why he is still around.
Warning: This section contains some WIFOM
Not only does the above make Mocsta look bad, his interactions between Onegu and Holylfare have been suspicious as well. Mocsta has been really reluctant to push or vote both of them and my reads on them make my scum read on Mocsta that much stronger.
In the middle of D2, Onegu came up with his weaksauce case on Mocsta. What would a scum team need in that situation?
- Mocsta needs towncred to survive MYLO
- Onegu needs to do something to make a case and get towncred in order to not get lynched
Why does this make sense? Onegu makes a bad case and gets everyone to think it is a desperation scum move to throw a case on a townie. Mocsta uses this to survive MYLO and win the game after Onegu flips red.
Mocsta and Onegu basically proceed to avoid each other to make it not obvious that it is a bus. Mocsta tries to steer the lynch off of Onegu (what he has done the last few pages) and Onegu has been trying to keep a scum read on me.
The proof that the scum team is Mocsta/HF/Onegu is in these two posts by Holyflare:
On November 27 2013 13:48 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2013 13:47 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 27 2013 13:46 Alakaslam wrote:On November 27 2013 13:44 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 27 2013 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:On November 27 2013 13:39 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 27 2013 13:26 Mocsta wrote:
This is a fucking farce.
Corazon fake claimed... Is this for fucking real?
Holy.. u compared my role pm to Cora to show Cora fake claimed.
Why are you still assuming I'm scum?? I don't like this post. It looks scummy That is how people get their points across (Though I don't red stuff) It's a FoS, it isn't a ihu No, they did it multiple times and didn't follow up on it at all. Btw Moc: Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Sergei Mikhailov a Mobster (Vanilla Townie) . You so dislike the term mobster, you prefer to consider yourself a business man. You've never been implicated by the police, despite the dozen or so murders your family stands accused of. You are very much a neo-capitalist, having abandoned the old comunist regime at the height of the cold war, your ancient KGB connections still serve you well, allowing you to operate in the gray area between law and crime that is oh so difficult to pin down. Crush those who would bring down your "business" This is my real role That always happens. That probably means they dropped them. If not maybe they are just as scummy. Mocsta told me one of my posts was "too constructed" and then continued to not talk about me. He just chimed in to say that post was scummy and then went onto other things. cz he [Mocsta] is scum <3
On November 27 2013 14:35 Holyflare wrote:
Mocsta, we've been had by the bereft/cora/slam trio!
Why does HF refuse to think that Onegu is scum and then flip-flop on his Mocsta read? It's because HF wants everyone to think his Mocsta scum read was just desperation attacks on a townie. However, his inability to keep his story straight means that he is trying to hide the fact that he is scum buddies with Mocsta. He wants to have the Mocsta scum read for proof of scumhunting but HF doesn't want us to remember Mocsta's scumminess. It screams of a bus to me as well, simply as an excuse for activity.
In conclusion, this game makes sense from scum Mocsta's perspective. I am very confident for the above reasons that the scum team is Mocsta/Onegu/HF. Mocsta isn't a bad player. He's not going to contradict himself and calling him scum has to be more complicated than finding something scummy in his writing. I didn't figure this out until I thought about the game and what scum would try and do. Mocsta's actions fit the bill for what scum would do this game.
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On December 02 2013 02:46 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 02:35 cDgCorazon wrote:On December 02 2013 02:31 Onegu wrote:On December 02 2013 01:53 cDgCorazon wrote:
Onegu, if you weren't scum I would call you a hypocrite. You spent 3 days promising a case on me before making it. There is this thing called sleep that is really lovely.
Mocsta case coming soon, 1-2 hours. I have to make it look all pretty for y'all. I got it in before deadline, you are waiting until after deadline. If you make it before deadline like you say you are then great. The deadline is in 10 hours. Can you please give up, scum? You're looking really pathetic. Ggnore. Im out no more posts until post game. This game has been very fustrateing, like I put a bunch of effort into this game as evidenced by my notes, and I understand people thinking I am scum and not wanting to listen to me, but saying even after I flip they wont take a look. And I never let people get under my skin but cora has done it this game, I guess gratz to him...
Onegu if you are VT we deserve to lose the game and you need to drastically reinvent your play. If you are scum, carry on.
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On December 02 2013 06:08 Onegu wrote:
Like you guys really think coras case and push on aqua day one was real? Read my case!!! sad pandas
/end rant
No more posts
Why is your case on me limited to D1? Why haven't you analyzed my play for the whole game?
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On December 01 2013 20:08 Mocsta wrote:
Back on a comp now, and about to start filter diving.
Holyflare first + some VCA + I have to double check if Corazon maintained his ##no-lynch to deadline (because in my memory he swapped to Rayn). If his ##no-lynch was maintained, this looks pretty bad as he has never voted with town for all finished lynches.
The bold is a complete lie. I voted for JJD. Why did you blatantly lie Mocsta? Were you expecting town not to look at the votecounts? Why are you throwing lies and shit accusations everywhere?
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You're looking at Onegu/Slam/Sciberia but you don't want to lynch Onegu and you wanted to lynch me earlier?
You think Onegu is scum, you've said it at least 3 times. Now an Onegu lynch is on a silver platter and you don't want to take it? Why?
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