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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:04 GMT
#2308
Power=4 town on HF and 1 town on Onegu...they can't get a majority w/o me
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:09 GMT
#2314
Man fuck you guys. I can't even fake-claim Investigator to get you guys to lynch my read. What do I have to do? Hack into Gmarshal's computer to find Onegu's role pm and post it in the thread? You guys are so ridiculous.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:14 GMT
#2318
##unvote
##Vote:Mocsta

Hey scum, lets vote out Mocsta plz
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:14 GMT
#2319
##unvote
##Vote: sciberia
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:14 GMT
#2320
##unvote
##Vote: Chezinu
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:15 GMT
#2321
##unvote
##Vote: Bereft
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:15 GMT
#2322
##unvote
##Vote: cDgCorazon


I don't want to play anymore. GG
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:17 GMT
#2327
I've been bullied and not taken seriously all game for no reason. Next time, vote me out of playing the game if you don't want to play with me.

Because of your abuse, we are going to lose the game. Gratz.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:20 GMT
#2331
On November 27 2013 13:19 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 13:17 cDgCorazon wrote:
I've been bullied and not taken seriously all game for no reason. Next time, vote me out of playing the game if you don't want to play with me.

Because of your abuse, we are going to lose the game. Gratz.

You mean Holyflare?

I mean Mocsta/Aqua/Bereft/JJD/thrawn
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:26 GMT
#2337
@Slam for referance

On November 25 2013 16:14 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Thrawn:
First of all, you've seen what happens when my opinion isn't taken seriously:

Rayn flipped town when he was obviously town
JJD flipped town when Onegu was the better lynch

Why do you think I'm going to claim that no one listens to me? If people had thought about my opinion for two seconds, Rayn might still be around (that is debatable, I'll admit) and Onegu would be lynched and he would probably be more likely to roll scum. This happens in a lot of my games and forces reactions after seeing yet another VT flip due to the town not listening and not reading my arguments (at least without me pushing them).

Second of all, you took the post from me and didn't add any context. I wrote it after I had received the 20th post this game that was formatted exactly like this:

Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 23:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Want to repoint this out because aqua picked up on it and didn't really follow up:
On November 23 2013 10:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 23 2013 10:47 Aquanim wrote:
On November 23 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 23 2013 10:32 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon I'd like to see your thoughts on Jampidampi.

No thread presence. He played a very little part in D1 and that doesn't reflect very well on my read on him. I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be him. I'd be down lynching him tomorrow if it comes to that.

You mean a scum off the Rayn lynch besides Onegu?

Yeah. I would definitely not throw out the possibility that 2 scum were off the lynch.

Not quite a scumslip, but pretty close I think. Cora posted quite a bit about how Onegu was likley scum because of how he voted. He made a post right before the flip where he wrote his name in red caps 3 times and then he made several posts after about how scummy he was.

So how exactly can someone who believes that say "I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be [Jampi]." His brain shouldn't even be able to process that sentence.

He tries to cover it up when questioned by saying: Yeah I meant BESIDES Onegu. But you would think that he wouldn't forget his top scum read.


Show nested quote +
<Insert Corazon post>
This post is scummy/a scum slip/is bad/something a scum would say. Corazon looks bad/scummy/like he is scum.
<No vote>


Before you go on and simply call me a bully, you need to look at others and you need to understand how bullies are made. Bullies aren't made because they think they are better than everyone else, they are made because they are being bullied by someone else, and they feel like they need to pick on others.

Well here is the cycle. I get picked on for no reason and for no purpose to the thread other than talking about how scummy I am with absolutely no intention to vote for me. Why does anyone do this? It makes no sense to make these sort of comments without pushing any agenda. It serves one purpose: to irritate and annoy me and throw me off of my game. You (and many others both in this game and on this forum) need to understand that bullying is a cycle, and is rarely a straight line.

Back to game matters. I never told you to be a town leader and I never said I was a town leader during D2. I was only town leader due to being the only one active for the entire cycle. I called on you to be more active and while you did step up your game a little bit, it's not enough to help in the scum hunt. I voted for you not just to pick on you, I voted to get you in the thread. My vote for you could've been on JJD or Bereft or Aqua. It was just random choice that I threw it on you (I'd also like to point out that you randomly tried to start a lynch train on me D1, or have you forgotten already?)/

You're not on my train because you aren't active enough. You're doing better than D1 (which is why I don't want you lynched D3) but not enough to be considered for my proposed town circle.

Do you understand how frustrated me/Moc/Aqua are about the lack of activity this game? It allows at least 5 people to lurk without fear. There aren't 5 scum in the game. It's just detrimental to have this much lurking in a game, and it's hurting us in the long run.

Sorry for the long train of thought but that's what I want to say.

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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:35 GMT
#2340
On November 27 2013 13:32 Alakaslam wrote:
Rather is anyone asserting Cora started this?

Aqua/JJD/Mocsta made at least 5 posts in the format I suggested. I'm too lazy to filter dive them all but that is what started the bullying. I had a bit of a meltdown D2 about it.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:38 GMT
#2341
On November 24 2013 00:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm sick of this shit. My play has been nitpicked more than anyone else's the entire game and it has gone nowhere. Why does everyone think that they are required to post every single thought of theirs? That is how threads get to be 200 pages long.

I'm done. I'm absolutely done. From now on, I'm just going to vote everyone who nitpicks my posts for no reason. Fuck you guys.

##unvote
##Vote: JarJarDrinks


On November 24 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote:
MOAR NITPICK MOAR VOTE SWITCH

##unvote:
##Vote: Onegu


I'll only be a detriment to the scum-hunt if you guys force me to.


On November 24 2013 07:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 07:25 Bereft wrote:
really? i must have missed it so can you quote the post?

you were debating before whether scum would rather have rayn alive or dead. what did you conclude and how does conclusion tie in with your reads? i was under the impression you thought they would like to keep him alive so they would almost all be off the rayn train.

do you really think JJD is scum or are you just pissed off with him?

i take it currently your scum reads are HF, onegu, and...? if the scum team is HF, onegu, and X, why would they hold back their NK and be confident enough of a mislynch as you stated earlier? onegu is 1 of the front runners for d2 lynch and HF for d3 (in my head at least).

To be honest I don't really care about what I said. People are going to find a way to twist it to look scummy.
I don't like a post from JJD but I don't think he's scum but I do think he's scum but I'm not going to vote for him and now I'm just rambling on and shitting up the thread and I don't really care and I don't really care and this person is scummy and this is what is going on in my head and i think im so important that i should share every thought i have and i can wish-wash and call people scummy yet not think they are scum and not vote for them and basically waste our time with useless bullshit and tire me out because i just want to play but i get called scum every-other post that i make and scum try to pick on me andandnandandnandnandandnandnandnandnandandnandnandnandnandandn



On November 24 2013 08:04 cDgCorazon wrote:
Talking about how I make scummy posts and then deciding to no-lynch cause no one wants to vote for me.


On November 24 2013 08:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 08:36 Mocsta wrote:
On November 24 2013 08:32 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 24 2013 08:30 Mocsta wrote:
On November 24 2013 08:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
Please vote me. It's about time someone put their vote where their mouth is.

So I'm curious Mocsta, why am I so scummy now that I've been prodded to death? Shouldn't I have been scummy for a lot longer? If so, why didn't you point it out earlier? It's called confirmation bias, bro.

You have confirmation bias. I did not state any of the things you mentioned.

It will be clear once I have done my filter-dive. Currently you are null for me.

IF YOU HAVE A NULL READ ON ME I DONT WANT ANY CASE ON ME FROM YOU. YOU DONT MAKE "NULL CASES"

Once you are done answering Aquanim question; can you please give me your opinino on Scibs response to Onegu.

And give you a chance to find a phantom "scum slip"? No


On November 24 2013 08:47 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 08:45 Mocsta wrote:
On November 24 2013 08:38 Aquanim wrote:
On November 24 2013 08:21 Mocsta wrote:
Aquanim
What do you think of Scibs response to Onegu regarding that Bereft case?

I think he raises fair points about the Bereft case. I would have worded them quite differently, but that's unimportant.

Sciberbia didn't touch on every point, which honestly makes me feel better about him - he adressed the ones he thought were important and therefore made a judgement about which were important. I'm inclined to agree with his judgement. Points he didn't talk about, like "tunnels Rayn but is OK to vote Cora now", the Venn diagram, and some other miscellaneous posts, were in fact more peripheral to Onegu's case and generally far less conclusive.

I really want to know if Corazon has a different PoV to you.

Can you please convince him to respond.

I'm not chasing any scum slips - I promise Corazon.

Bullshit


On November 24 2013 08:52 cDgCorazon wrote:
I've been too busy making pre-planned posts to explain myself to care about anything else.


On November 24 2013 09:03 cDgCorazon wrote:
For every 1 good post you write about me, you write 5 of these...
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 13:49 Mocsta wrote:
On November 23 2013 10:54 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 23 2013 10:38 sciberbia wrote:
Have some questions for you Cora.

1) Can you explain what you were talking about in this post? How exactly did you think rayn was trying to gain town cred by going on a rampage and martyring himself?
On November 22 2013 04:45 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really do not like Rayn martyring...tbh the concept of martyring has been beaten to death and I think he's just using it as a ploy to gain town cred.


2) If you think it would have been beneficial to scum to keep rayn alive yesterday EVEN given that he is town, why would you not vote for him yesterday? Surely if you think lynching town!rayn would be bad for scum, then it would be good for town? And if he flipped scum even better, right? I don't see how you reconcile voting for no lynch with claiming that it would have been better for scum to no-lynch yesterday.

Ok, to be honest, the Rayn lynch was basically impossible for me to pick a side. On one hand, I really thought Rayn was town. On the other hand, Rayn's play was very anti-town. It is a very narrow playstyle that Rayn's townplay fits into. He can be town but not an asset to town at the same time. That is the reason I'm not attacking Mocsta after Rayn's flip.

I think I'm being misrepresented (or perhaps I have misrepresented myself) to say that I was against the Rayn lynch. Rayn's really bad townplay, along with the fact that it was a majority lynch, gave me a choice of either lynching someone who I was very confident was town or having him shit up the thread.

I think my thought process would make more sense if I went through it.

At the beginning, when I made all of those "OMG this fight is stupid" posts, it was due to the fact that the thread had become a shitfest and Rayn/everyone else were simply shitting up the thread. I was truly exasperated and angry that the thread had gone out of control and we had gone from some very good discussion on Aqua/myself/Rean to Rayn and only Rayn.

After I came back from school, I was still trying to make a decision whether to vote Rayn or not. When I made the post that you quoted, I think I was trying to justify a Rayn lynch to myself. I knew that it was a dumb lynch but I also knew that I could not do anything about it. Rayn had basically lost it and I did not know whether to give him a second chance or not.

When I got back (about 45 minutes from the deadline), I said to myself "Fuck it, I'm not going to be dragged around and be forced to follow thread sentiment". So I voted for a no-lynch. I knew it was useless to try and suggest because Rayn was already bleeding badly and all of the sharks were floating around him. You guys were tunneled way too hard on Rayn and that was a mistake that I tried to correct earlier but gave up out of frustration.

TL;DR: My town read on Rayn + The shitty town atmosphere Rayn was causing= scenario where no one wins and I'm forced to walk a very fine line to take a neutral stance on Rayn's lynch.

On a lunch break.

This is a really bad post.

Its very constructed and uses analogies. This is the first time Corazon breaks out a post with this type of construction and notably, he is answering a very important question from Sciberbia that - I think - produces an alignment indicative response.

Do you understand why I am frustrated with you?

If you want me to cooperate, I'm going to make a request from you. You have to not call me "scummy" unless you make a case that encompasses my play the entire game and accompany said case with a vote. I don't want anything else from you about your read on me, even if others ask you for your opinion on me. Is that clear?

On November 24 2013 09:05 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2013 08:56 Aquanim wrote:
If you need to take a break for a while, go and do it. I've found it's helped me in similar situations in the past (this game and others).

I wish that would work but I get all of these bullshit "Cora is scummy but not scum" posts when I'm not around.

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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:39 GMT
#2342
On November 27 2013 13:26 Mocsta wrote:
This is a fucking farce.

Corazon fake claimed... Is this for fucking real?

Holy.. u compared my role pm to Cora to show Cora fake claimed.

Why are you still assuming I'm scum??


I don't like this post. It looks scummy
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:44 GMT
#2347
On November 27 2013 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 13:39 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:26 Mocsta wrote:
This is a fucking farce.

Corazon fake claimed... Is this for fucking real?

Holy.. u compared my role pm to Cora to show Cora fake claimed.

Why are you still assuming I'm scum??


I don't like this post. It looks scummy

That is how people get their points across

(Though I don't red stuff)

It's a FoS, it isn't a ihu

No, they did it multiple times and didn't follow up on it at all.

Btw Moc:

Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Sergei Mikhailov a Mobster (Vanilla Townie) . You so dislike the term mobster, you prefer to consider yourself a business man. You've never been implicated by the police, despite the dozen or so murders your family stands accused of. You are very much a neo-capitalist, having abandoned the old comunist regime at the height of the cold war, your ancient KGB connections still serve you well, allowing you to operate in the gray area between law and crime that is oh so difficult to pin down. Crush those who would bring down your "business"

This is my real role
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:47 GMT
#2350
On November 27 2013 13:46 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 13:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:39 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:26 Mocsta wrote:
This is a fucking farce.

Corazon fake claimed... Is this for fucking real?

Holy.. u compared my role pm to Cora to show Cora fake claimed.

Why are you still assuming I'm scum??


I don't like this post. It looks scummy

That is how people get their points across

(Though I don't red stuff)

It's a FoS, it isn't a ihu

No, they did it multiple times and didn't follow up on it at all.

Btw Moc:

Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Sergei Mikhailov a Mobster (Vanilla Townie) . You so dislike the term mobster, you prefer to consider yourself a business man. You've never been implicated by the police, despite the dozen or so murders your family stands accused of. You are very much a neo-capitalist, having abandoned the old comunist regime at the height of the cold war, your ancient KGB connections still serve you well, allowing you to operate in the gray area between law and crime that is oh so difficult to pin down. Crush those who would bring down your "business"

This is my real role

That always happens. That probably means they dropped them. If not maybe they are just as scummy.

Mocsta told me one of my posts was "too constructed" and then continued to not talk about me. He just chimed in to say that post was scummy and then went onto other things.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:48 GMT
#2352
On November 27 2013 13:48 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 13:47 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:46 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:43 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:39 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 27 2013 13:26 Mocsta wrote:
This is a fucking farce.

Corazon fake claimed... Is this for fucking real?

Holy.. u compared my role pm to Cora to show Cora fake claimed.

Why are you still assuming I'm scum??


I don't like this post. It looks scummy

That is how people get their points across

(Though I don't red stuff)

It's a FoS, it isn't a ihu

No, they did it multiple times and didn't follow up on it at all.

Btw Moc:

Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Sergei Mikhailov a Mobster (Vanilla Townie) . You so dislike the term mobster, you prefer to consider yourself a business man. You've never been implicated by the police, despite the dozen or so murders your family stands accused of. You are very much a neo-capitalist, having abandoned the old comunist regime at the height of the cold war, your ancient KGB connections still serve you well, allowing you to operate in the gray area between law and crime that is oh so difficult to pin down. Crush those who would bring down your "business"

This is my real role

That always happens. That probably means they dropped them. If not maybe they are just as scummy.

Mocsta told me one of my posts was "too constructed" and then continued to not talk about me. He just chimed in to say that post was scummy and then went onto other things.


cz he is scum <3

Ok, I'll get behind that.
##unvote
##Vote: mocsta
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:49 GMT
#2353
So town. It's either I get lynched or Onegu get lynched. The ball is in your court.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 04:52 GMT
#2356
On November 27 2013 13:50 Mocsta wrote:
I need to see the on from bereft to confirm his also has a similar ending.


This is still totally fucked.

So we don't even k ow I'd sci is town now?

Corazon.. why was sci your best read to fake a cop check with.....

Because I looked for a read I stopped attacking and it was sci. It just fit in with my story.
Congratz Mocsta, this is what I had to stoop to in order to get my voice heard. And it didn't even work. That is so sad.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 05:02 GMT
#2362
On November 27 2013 13:57 Bereft wrote:
cora THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU. this is about lynching someone who is certainly scum vs someone who is almost certainly scum. why are you being like this?? this is the safe play here. this has nothing to do with us discounting your reads. nobody is bullying you. nobody put any worth in my JJD town read either or my mocsta case. I don't mind. I dropped my mocsta case in large part because of your town read.

No, you guys are discounting my reads. You've done it all game. I had to motivate about 6 people to read my Onegu case. Why should that be?

Several people promised to vote for Onegu and LIED TO ME. Flat out lied to me and reneged on their promises. I want to lynch Onegu, how hard of a request is that? He's going to flip scum because I spent 72 hours attacking him in all the right ways and poked a hole in every single argument he has made.

And now Mocsta and Sciberia think he is town? Like WTF is this?

I'm done not being taken seriously. You should have done it D1 and especially D2. Now I have the power and you all want to throw the game? It's pretty sad.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 05:06 GMT
#2365
If this town cared about winning JJD and Rayn would still be alive.
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