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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 02:46 GMT
#2027
Why waste a cop check to confirm an opinion I've had almost the entire game?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 02:52 GMT
#2030
On November 26 2013 11:47 Bereft wrote:
hold up... why didn't you check onegu night 1? wasn't he your strongest scum read all day?

Because I would rather spend one check on someone I wasn't too sure of. The difference between last night and tonight is that we NEED to lynch scum tomorrow. I wanted to check someone I was less sure (aka more null) about, just to take off the amount of suspects that I had. I wasn't as sure about Onegu scum as I am now, and getting a red check wasn't as important then as it is now.

Also, things weren't as set in stone with 3-4 people who are probably scum. I had about 2-3 solid town reads and was unsure about the rest during night 1. As you can see, I got a green check with sciberia and I stopped attacking him after N1.

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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 03:04 GMT
#2041
Yeah I got a red check.

##Vote: Onegu

Why did scum decide to shoot Thrawn? That doesn't make any sense.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 03:45 GMT
#2044
On November 26 2013 12:40 Bereft wrote:
Cora, pardon if I missed it - am on my phone. what's the motivation for claiming and telling the thread who you're going to check like 30 mins before the deadline? vs. claiming after the night post?


Because if I die, I let the thread know that I was checking Onegu and that scum would kill me to not allow me to get a check. Which would incriminate Onegu.

Also, it would force the scum to take me out, potentially letting someone else live (which would be better because my scum-hunting skills aren't as good as, say, Aqua's).

I think I didn't die because scum team was either inactive (would fit into Onegu/HF/Chezinu) or aren't reading the thread (again, would fit into Onegu/HF/Chezinu).
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 03:53 GMT
#2047
What are the chances we can have 24 hour days?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 04:10 GMT
#2052
On November 26 2013 13:03 Mocsta wrote:
Corazon, I have been through all your posts that have "scib" in them post-Day2.

I dont get your position on 2 specific posts:

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 07:22 cDgCorazon wrote:
Lol this game is over.

Alakaslam isn't going to read the game.
Chezinu isn't going to read the game.
HF isn't going to play, only going to hide under his doc claim.
Thrawn isn't going to play, only going to buddy everyone.
JJD/Bereft/Onegu/Sciberia aren't active enough (over the course of the entire game, Onegu is doing better though)

@Aqua/Moc
Let's just vote all of these guys out systematically? Then we can have a 3-way Mexican standoff if we haven't killed the scum yet.
You already gave reasons earlier for why you had a town read on Sciberbia, yet hes not in your "keep as town" list?

Then:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 15:38 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok, I'm just going to throw my idea out there.
In my opinion, the biggest problem of Day 2 was the lack of thread movement in the first 20 hours. This was frustrating for me and for a lot of other active players. It obviously wasn't ideal and I think we need a way to fix that and force people to lurk less; we had to choose between 4-5 lurkers and they had no reason or motivation to delurk. This is bad.

What is my suggestion to counter this? We form a town circle with Me, Aqua, Mocsta, and Bereft/Sciberia (one or possibly both).

+ Show Spoiler +
These five have been the most active players in the game and I think we can all put our heads together and force the others to de-lurk.

How do we accomplish this? We should all talk for the rest of N2 and the beginning of D3. We should decide on a lynch within the first part of D3 and all pack our votes on that one player. This would force that person to delurk and we can change our vote or not based on their responses.

I think we need to work closer together and form a temporary alliance for at least D3 and hopefully D4 if enough of the players are still around. If we can get 5 people in our circle, we can force scum to kill either two people in the circle (and either force HF to protect someone in the circle or out him as scum with a fake claim) or we can have 4 people in our circle and bully one other player into voting with us (if HF is town and gets shot).


Let me know if this is a good idea or if I'm just dumb.
Shouldn't this be:
Me, Aqua, Mocsta, Sciberbia and MAYBE Bereft?

I decided not to make my 180 on sciberia completely obvious because I knew it would be pointed out (because the whole game my posts were nitpicked on). I didn't want to have to out myself before I wanted to.

I'd rather have my scum read on sciberia simply just die out instead of making it obvious that I had 180'd on sciberia.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 04:49 GMT
#2054
Also, the fact that Mocsta is still alive basically means HF/Onegu are scum.

Scenarios: HF/Onegu are town, scum would kill Mocsta to have us mislynch one of them

HF/Onegu are town, scum would not kill Mocsta would be a bad play b/c Mocsta is a great analysis player and has no pressure from anyone outside of HF/Onegu

HF/Onegu are scum, they kill Mocsta and expose themselves as scum because they've tunneled a townie the whole game and are out of reads

HF/Onegu are scum, they let Mocsta live so they can continue to tunnel him and fake activity/scumhunting

It's the last one. HF/Onegu have put all of their eggs in the Mocsta basket and forces them to keep him alive

@Alakaslam:
You seem to understand Chezinu's dialect of English- is there anything magical that he has said that looks townie to you?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 05:38 GMT
#2058
On November 26 2013 14:32 Onegu wrote:
HAHAHA, YES IM EXPECTING POST GAME CONGRATS CORA! . I nailed the scumteam but am too scummy to get out of this lynch with a fake red check on me.

Will make the cora case later today, suggest we go to a 24 hour day though. Yes I dont think I was framed because a cora didnt gave a n1 check and cora is scum. Also since it is mylo scum are setting up a mislynch on HF day 4 because he missed his save.

Will respond to mocstas response to my case now.

Rean is my least sure read it is basicly connection to mocsta, and cora, but that can only truely be done after cora and mocstas flips. If you are a vigi and somehow not shot yet this is mylo. My mislynch and a scum nightkill is gg. You have to shoot cora, dont shoot into the lurkers shoot the person who claimed a red check on the person who knew was going to make a case on him day 3. And most likely caught the scum team. Read my case yes it might be long but read it and read coras filter for yourself then shoot cora or its gg.

Also the cora thing last night was a mistake, I wasnt lieing like he claims but for some reason I thought he was saying its only 2 hours into the game Im not going to make a vote, it was 2 hours into a game, thats what staying up late to filter dive does I guess. But I still stand on the bolded part I made no way that comes from a town PoV. But really that is only a small mistake and my case is really legit. Alot of the stuff he posts cannot come from a town PoV like that bolded part..

Anyway I will say gg to scum, but really because I had irl stuff day 1 and need to learn to post my cases better, scum won.



+ Show Spoiler +
If I am correct of course, if not correct in at least cora and mocsta then really well played scum. I really think I am correct as I put alot of effort into this game from behind the scenes as you will see post game when I show pics of my note book.

When you read books, do you like read every third word of the book or something? Because I gave a N1 check (sciberia).

Also + Show Spoiler +
LOL
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 05:49 GMT
#2060
On November 26 2013 14:45 Mocsta wrote:
Ac tually convinced
##unvote
##vote:mocsta


scum.
guy catch scum... caught me


I'm pretty sure this is how Onegu has read the thread.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 06:07 GMT
#2065
Onegu, you've posted about 20 posts on us and we've either poked holes/found the lies in them or they haven't been anything scummy.

If the scumteam is Onegu/HF/Chezinu, please give up right now. Save us time. Please.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 14:38 GMT
#2179
That's a really good case on me, Onegu. Top notch stuff.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 15:17 GMT
#2193
On November 26 2013 23:45 Onegu wrote:
Cora while you are here can you answer a question for me?


Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 07:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
While I think it is a great case Onegu (and your recent activity has earned my unvote), I'm worried that killing Mocsta will put the thread to a screeching halt like it has been for most of D2. Look how inactive the thread has been with Mocsta's limited time to play this weekend.

In my opinion, Mocsta is one of those players who will either:

a)get killed in the first 2-3 nights
or
b)be lynched due to his behavior

A town Mocsta is a really good asset for town. Scum will be looking to nightkill him ASAP and if they don't do that, then there is a good chance he is one of them.

I'm not disagreeing with you because of my read on your or your points in the case- I just disagree with the principle of lynching Mocsta right now.

Is there anyone outside of Mocsta/Bereft you would be ok with lynching?



What points did you agree with, what part was great?

I actually have to go to school now. I'm sorry but i will give you a better answer later.

For now, I agreed with the party about Mocsta changing his reads a lot (which was basically your whole case). It was more along the lines of "I'm really annoyed with Mocsta and if he keeps doing it I might start getting suspicious of him".
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 16:38 GMT
#2195
On a break. A few questions for people:

@Holyflare
A couple of things. Can you explain your thrawn save N1 again for me?
Why are you lurking at the deadline and not participating in the discussion or giving out your reads if you are town?

@Alakaslam
You told us that Chezinu is town but you never gave any evidence for it and never suggested an alternate scum member. How come?

@Chezinu
Who's "true color" did you attempt to find out last night?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 20:39 GMT
#2211
If you guys can't see how Onegu is scum even after a red check, I don't really want to play the game anymore.

We're lynching Onegu first. The argument about framer/GF is as much WIFOM as the argument that HF missed two saves. I'm not going to have you guys not listen to me three days in a row and so I'm going to force an Onegu lynch first.

My vote stays on Onegu.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 26 2013 20:55 GMT
#2212
On November 27 2013 01:45 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 20:07 Onegu wrote:
Can we please vote 24 hour day?

Day durations are going to stay the same, sorry.

Can we play instant majority lynch?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 02:19 GMT
#2292
Hi Mocsta. My lack of activity is nothing game-related. I had school from 6am-12pm today and then work from 2-6. I have Tae Kwon Do class at 6:45pm and an English project to do after that.

I'm not going off the Onegu wagon. Mocsta and Rayn were allowed 12 hours and the D1 vote to play their ego battle, it's only right that I get my ego battle and I get to be the hero. I put all of the damn work in, and I'm not going to get anything out of it because NO ONE IN THIS THREAD HAS SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED ANY SINGLE IDEA I HAVE PUT FORTH IN THIS ENTIRE GAME.

If you all aren't going to work with me, I'm not going to work with you. Vote me if you wish, but I would have to nominate it for the worst lynch of 2013...

/rant
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 02:29 GMT
#2295
On November 27 2013 11:27 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 11:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hi Mocsta. My lack of activity is nothing game-related. I had school from 6am-12pm today and then work from 2-6. I have Tae Kwon Do class at 6:45pm and an English project to do after that.

I'm not going off the Onegu wagon. Mocsta and Rayn were allowed 12 hours and the D1 vote to play their ego battle, it's only right that I get my ego battle and I get to be the hero. I put all of the damn work in, and I'm not going to get anything out of it because NO ONE IN THIS THREAD HAS SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED ANY SINGLE IDEA I HAVE PUT FORTH IN THIS ENTIRE GAME.

If you all aren't going to work with me, I'm not going to work with you. Vote me if you wish, but I would have to nominate it for the worst lynch of 2013...

/rant
so instead of working towards the safest win con for town.

You want an ego battle that could potentially throw the game?

so instead of not voting out someone who was townie

you want an ego battle that set up a mislynch d1?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 02:30 GMT
#2296
Moc you are being a hypocrite right now. You took the town by the balls D1 with your ego battle w/Rayn and now you are complaining that I am doing the same? You're full of it.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 03:56 GMT
#2305
I don't give a shit about anyone else's arguments because no one gives a shit about mine.

Now I have the power and you all are trying in vain to get me to listen to you. Do you understand that me listening to you was what got us into this mess? Rayn was a bad lynch and I only voted for JJD for consolidation. I'm done listening to anyone else because no one ever started listening to me.

It's either Onegu or no-lynch. Your choice.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 27 2013 03:56 GMT
#2306
@Bereft/Mocsta/rest of town
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