• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:57
CET 12:57
KST 20:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship2[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage1Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win62025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting RSL S3 Round of 16 [TLCH] Mission 7: Last Stand Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4 WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ RSL S3 ro16
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Dating: How's your luck? Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1792 users

Newbie Mini Mafia LI - Page 3

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 All
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 13 2014 20:14 GMT
#1189
I did vote BigDad, and I also asked him a direct question for what I felt he needed to so I could understand his play. He refused to do so, so I just assume he dont have an explanation for it and that he is scum at this point.
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 13 2014 20:23 GMT
#1191
I'm sorry, but I really have not seen an answer to this question

"Please explain to me how your play would make sense from a town perspective, what where your goals, and what did you learn from it ?"

This is the only thing I can see that resembles some sort of an answer, but it only very briefly is talking about the last part.

"I think I have many times. From them I have gotten that it is either DW, you (sidesprang), or Bigdad. Currently I am thinking more DW - sidesprang as I have posted before as to my reasoning before."

So I do not feel I have gotten an answer the question.
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 16 2014 11:24 GMT
#1222
On January 16 2014 00:30 suki wrote:
Linking Day_Walker and sidesprang together:

Sidesprang posted:
Show nested quote +
Only way that post makes sense if Day_Walker is mafia is if thedragoon is mafia. With 9 votes on a player, why would you try to change the vote in any way if you were mafia, unless the person with the 9 votes were your mafia buddy.

Atleast that is what pops to my head first when trying to see it from a mafia perspective.

This can be seen as a soft defense of Day_Walker, knowing that sidesprang knows theDragoon is not mafia.

Sidesprang posted:
Show nested quote +
Day_Walker

When I read his filter I see a possibility for him being scum, however I think its way more likely for him to be scum if theDragoon is scum

I feel he gave him a weak townread in the start with his list. And when BigDad says he find Day_Walker and theDragon both became overly defensive about it.

And also as chinstrap pointed out making a scumcase for the lurkers and a towncase for theDragoon, is something that very well can be done as scum regardless of theDragoon's allignment. And the more I think about it, I think it's more likely to be done if he is scum.

If he makes a case for theDragoon is town then if he flips town he gets cred. If he flips scum then he tried to save his buddy.

I do however feel this is very circumstantial and I would not feel comfortable lynching him, but this is what I read when I tried to view him as scum.


Sidesprang flips back and forth on whether he thinks Day_Walker is scum, or not. His final verdict is he would not be comfortable lynching Day_Walker. Another defense.

Aside from these two early non-scum reads on Day_Walker, sidesprang has not commented on Day_Walker. I think this supports the Day_Walker/sidesprang scum team theory, because Day_Walker has been in the spotlight for the last few days and sidesprang hasn't commented on him once.


In Day_Walker's first post, he lists sidesprang as town (along with everyone else). Shortly after sidesprang bandwagoned onto theDragoon, Day_Walker posts his anti-lurker post where he votes dnyarri for being a scummy lurker. Sidesprang is in that list as well. Balla had already commented that sidesprang's vote looked like a bus, so it's a good move to include sidesprang in the list of lynch targets. Day_Walker doesn't actually say that sidesprang looks scummy though.

In one of Day_Walker's more recent posts he proposes dnyarri+Asuna+Derrida scum team. He later backs down but doesn't propose a new team. There's a total absence of comment on sidesprang from Day_Walker.

In addition, Day_Walker and sidesprang avoided voting on the same people in all three lynches so far. There's ample reason for Mafia to not vote together, especially when town is so confused.


I feel that Day_Walker and sidesprang can be explained by their weak reads and lack of posts against each other, as well as their voting patterns.


I'm sorry, but nothing of this points to me being scum, and every link you are finding is more confirmation bias than anything. On page 58 you said I was scum with BigDad because I never mentioned him. Now I'm scum with Day_walker because I hardly mentioned him.

TBH its just seems to me that you are reading filters, and dont look at when or why the posts are being made. And when you find something that supports your theory you think you have found something. That is a very backwards way of going about finding scum.

If I was scum with Day_Walker I really dont understand why i would bother defending him when it was like 8 votes vs 2. Seems like a dumb idea to link us togheter, especially when my defence for him is that bad.

Regarding the lurker list of Day_Walker that is not allignment indicative due to the fact I was lurking (or I was not lurking but I was not there for like 24h). If we are scum togheter or not he has to mention me because I was lurking.

Regarding dnyarri + asuna + derrida scum team, why would he mention me there. If he believes in that theory he found all scummers.

The voting part = confirmation bias again.



Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 16 2014 18:17 GMT
#1230
Ok, when reading dnyarris posts here I really doubt he would defend me like that as he did in his second last post as mafia if he was mafia. As he could have just gone with the popular oppinion. Tho he do semi retract it in his newest post, I think he is genuinly trying to figure out the game.

Dnyarri from my PoV = confirmed town.

Asuna, the scenarios that makes her scum / SK is just far to unlikely at this point. Asuna = confirmed town.


That leaves me with 3 unconfirmed town, and I've been looking plenty at them all. But I really can't seem to put together a case for scum on any. However Suki have played way way more protown, so I'm fairly certain that scum should be Day_Walker and BigDad. If not the scummers have played really well.

##Vote Day_Walker


I know this wont be so easy for you to see, as I know I'm town and you don't. But it's all I got.
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 16 2014 23:56 GMT
#1291
GG guys, thanks for the game.

@Lonemeow, really nice run,and the flavor was really good imo. Acutally read it this time around

@Artanis, good job as coach. I prolly should have used you more, but I found it hard to ask you stuff without asking for to much


This was a pretty rough game for town, we got schooled pretty much. I felt Balla and Johnny was pretty clearly town early on, so they did a really good job on that. theDragoon you managed to put up a good defence in the end, it was a bit late. But for next time just do the same and you will hopefully be able to sway people away from you. dnyarri you lurked like hell but you came through pretty towny in the end so that was well done aswell. I have no idea what that theChyz play was at the end, and at that point I started to get frustrated with how the game was going.

Tbh I felt it was easier reading people in II Titanic, might just be because there was more posts there in general. And also stronger players that could lead me! (DP / Rayn <3). I guess the good thing to take away from this game for me is that I did not get lynched. Tho I deffo need to work on my scumhunting skills cause they are close to non exsistant...
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Prev 1 2 3 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
09:00
Crank Gathers S2: Playoffs D4
CranKy Ducklings238
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Livibee 85
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 16801
Rain 8255
Bisu 2353
Pusan 471
Stork 364
Last 217
Hyuk 167
Barracks 158
Leta 137
ToSsGirL 115
[ Show more ]
ZerO 86
Aegong 53
Sharp 38
Liquid`Ret 37
zelot 27
JulyZerg 25
Icarus 22
Free 16
Yoon 15
sas.Sziky 7
Terrorterran 2
Dota 2
XcaliburYe753
Counter-Strike
x6flipin351
edward27
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King83
Other Games
singsing1229
crisheroes268
B2W.Neo255
Pyrionflax223
Fuzer 166
XaKoH 142
SortOf69
ZerO(Twitch)2
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL123
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 82
• LUISG 38
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2687
• Stunt620
• HappyZerGling96
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Korean Royale
3m
WardiTV0
LAN Event
3h 3m
OSC
11h 3m
The PondCast
22h 3m
LAN Event
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
OSC
2 days
LAN Event
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
LAN Event
3 days
IPSL
3 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
LAN Event
4 days
IPSL
4 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.