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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 13 2014 20:14 GMT
#1189
I did vote BigDad, and I also asked him a direct question for what I felt he needed to so I could understand his play. He refused to do so, so I just assume he dont have an explanation for it and that he is scum at this point.
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 13 2014 20:23 GMT
#1191
I'm sorry, but I really have not seen an answer to this question

"Please explain to me how your play would make sense from a town perspective, what where your goals, and what did you learn from it ?"

This is the only thing I can see that resembles some sort of an answer, but it only very briefly is talking about the last part.

"I think I have many times. From them I have gotten that it is either DW, you (sidesprang), or Bigdad. Currently I am thinking more DW - sidesprang as I have posted before as to my reasoning before."

So I do not feel I have gotten an answer the question.
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 16 2014 11:24 GMT
#1222
On January 16 2014 00:30 suki wrote:
Linking Day_Walker and sidesprang together:

Sidesprang posted:
Show nested quote +
Only way that post makes sense if Day_Walker is mafia is if thedragoon is mafia. With 9 votes on a player, why would you try to change the vote in any way if you were mafia, unless the person with the 9 votes were your mafia buddy.

Atleast that is what pops to my head first when trying to see it from a mafia perspective.

This can be seen as a soft defense of Day_Walker, knowing that sidesprang knows theDragoon is not mafia.

Sidesprang posted:
Show nested quote +
Day_Walker

When I read his filter I see a possibility for him being scum, however I think its way more likely for him to be scum if theDragoon is scum

I feel he gave him a weak townread in the start with his list. And when BigDad says he find Day_Walker and theDragon both became overly defensive about it.

And also as chinstrap pointed out making a scumcase for the lurkers and a towncase for theDragoon, is something that very well can be done as scum regardless of theDragoon's allignment. And the more I think about it, I think it's more likely to be done if he is scum.

If he makes a case for theDragoon is town then if he flips town he gets cred. If he flips scum then he tried to save his buddy.

I do however feel this is very circumstantial and I would not feel comfortable lynching him, but this is what I read when I tried to view him as scum.


Sidesprang flips back and forth on whether he thinks Day_Walker is scum, or not. His final verdict is he would not be comfortable lynching Day_Walker. Another defense.

Aside from these two early non-scum reads on Day_Walker, sidesprang has not commented on Day_Walker. I think this supports the Day_Walker/sidesprang scum team theory, because Day_Walker has been in the spotlight for the last few days and sidesprang hasn't commented on him once.


In Day_Walker's first post, he lists sidesprang as town (along with everyone else). Shortly after sidesprang bandwagoned onto theDragoon, Day_Walker posts his anti-lurker post where he votes dnyarri for being a scummy lurker. Sidesprang is in that list as well. Balla had already commented that sidesprang's vote looked like a bus, so it's a good move to include sidesprang in the list of lynch targets. Day_Walker doesn't actually say that sidesprang looks scummy though.

In one of Day_Walker's more recent posts he proposes dnyarri+Asuna+Derrida scum team. He later backs down but doesn't propose a new team. There's a total absence of comment on sidesprang from Day_Walker.

In addition, Day_Walker and sidesprang avoided voting on the same people in all three lynches so far. There's ample reason for Mafia to not vote together, especially when town is so confused.


I feel that Day_Walker and sidesprang can be explained by their weak reads and lack of posts against each other, as well as their voting patterns.


I'm sorry, but nothing of this points to me being scum, and every link you are finding is more confirmation bias than anything. On page 58 you said I was scum with BigDad because I never mentioned him. Now I'm scum with Day_walker because I hardly mentioned him.

TBH its just seems to me that you are reading filters, and dont look at when or why the posts are being made. And when you find something that supports your theory you think you have found something. That is a very backwards way of going about finding scum.

If I was scum with Day_Walker I really dont understand why i would bother defending him when it was like 8 votes vs 2. Seems like a dumb idea to link us togheter, especially when my defence for him is that bad.

Regarding the lurker list of Day_Walker that is not allignment indicative due to the fact I was lurking (or I was not lurking but I was not there for like 24h). If we are scum togheter or not he has to mention me because I was lurking.

Regarding dnyarri + asuna + derrida scum team, why would he mention me there. If he believes in that theory he found all scummers.

The voting part = confirmation bias again.



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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 16 2014 18:17 GMT
#1230
Ok, when reading dnyarris posts here I really doubt he would defend me like that as he did in his second last post as mafia if he was mafia. As he could have just gone with the popular oppinion. Tho he do semi retract it in his newest post, I think he is genuinly trying to figure out the game.

Dnyarri from my PoV = confirmed town.

Asuna, the scenarios that makes her scum / SK is just far to unlikely at this point. Asuna = confirmed town.


That leaves me with 3 unconfirmed town, and I've been looking plenty at them all. But I really can't seem to put together a case for scum on any. However Suki have played way way more protown, so I'm fairly certain that scum should be Day_Walker and BigDad. If not the scummers have played really well.

##Vote Day_Walker


I know this wont be so easy for you to see, as I know I'm town and you don't. But it's all I got.
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
January 16 2014 23:56 GMT
#1291
GG guys, thanks for the game.

@Lonemeow, really nice run,and the flavor was really good imo. Acutally read it this time around

@Artanis, good job as coach. I prolly should have used you more, but I found it hard to ask you stuff without asking for to much


This was a pretty rough game for town, we got schooled pretty much. I felt Balla and Johnny was pretty clearly town early on, so they did a really good job on that. theDragoon you managed to put up a good defence in the end, it was a bit late. But for next time just do the same and you will hopefully be able to sway people away from you. dnyarri you lurked like hell but you came through pretty towny in the end so that was well done aswell. I have no idea what that theChyz play was at the end, and at that point I started to get frustrated with how the game was going.

Tbh I felt it was easier reading people in II Titanic, might just be because there was more posts there in general. And also stronger players that could lead me! (DP / Rayn <3). I guess the good thing to take away from this game for me is that I did not get lynched. Tho I deffo need to work on my scumhunting skills cause they are close to non exsistant...
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