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onlywonderboy
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On January 08 2014 01:02 TheChyz wrote: Everybody has to start to make up their mind. IMO Dragoon himself has not cleared his name, the person that has done that for him is DW. His so called defense after the martyr to me felt like garbage and he has done almost nothing to help scumhunt. The current vote on dnyarri IS in fact useless because apart from the votes onto him, there is no information to be gained whatsoever. However Dragoon has played a terrible game and has done nothing productive to the town, infact all he has done is cause confusion (as well as DW), which in this case is worse than dnyarri. His allignment will also say SO much more than dnyarri's will From the beginning of the game Dragoon and DW have been defending themselves and it has been very suspicious. Personally I just thing DW knows too much and my vote would be on him because regardless if for some reason Dragoon ends up being town, DW will use the "i told you card". He seems very adamant on dnyarri, but it seems to me like he is just hoping that since I voted for him I would be able to help lead the bandwagon on the lurker or somebody else will. To me I find that DW has also barely helped town scum hunt in the fact that he just tries to attack everybody in the game but only a little bit, never with a vote, and has been defensive about Dragoon from the start. Too much defending Dragoon and not enough scum hunting. ##Vote: Day_Walker I agree with a lot of what was brought up here. The more and more I think about it the more I start to doubt the Day_Walker/Dragoon pair. This mostly has to do with how things have played out since Dragoon got a large portion of the votes. I agree that Day_Walker has put forth way more effort into defending Dragoon after his doom seemed inevitable and decided to rally his cause around a lurker that it would be hard to gather support for. If Dragoon flips town DW looks clear, but he seems to have gone out of his way to make it actually look this way. If they were both scum it's unlikely he would be defending him so vehemently. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote dnyarri | ||
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On January 08 2014 07:09 chinstrap wrote: I didnt necessarily agree with the dnyarri lynch but theDragonn was 110% town after his final post I'm pretty much in this camp as well. Was putting a lot of faith in Jonny's word but it was the only chance of getting the vote off of Dragoon. | ||
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onlywonderboy
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On January 08 2014 07:14 Balla24 wrote: I'm not in this camp... wtf? Posts right before you get lynched are totally WIFOM... mafia always does that, so does town clearly... the only thing thats different is he listed in order people from scummy to least scummy. But beyond that? Nah cmon... Sorry, poor response to the quote. Dragoon's final post wasn't what cleared him in my mind, but I was leaning away from him based on DW's actions (putting forth the elaborate defense for Dragoon and shifting the focus of the game onto a lurker it would hard to gain support for). I was agreeing with the idea of preferring dnyarri over Dragoon because it was the only even remotely possible lynch to save Dragoon. | ||
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onlywonderboy
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On January 09 2014 00:29 suki wrote: OnlyWonderBoy: I think the tD/DW scumbuddy theory was a bit farfetched, and even theDragoon felt it was pushed too far. As the third person on theDragoon's list of people who pursued that argument, I feel like it's prudent to look into OnlyWonderBoy. On the last minute switch: + Show Spoiler + First thing to note is that he did try to last-minute vote switch with Jonny onto dnyarri. I feel that this makes him a definite town, but thinking further this applies only if dnyarri flips red. If dnyarri flips green it makes no difference to him to switch and it could be a move to grab town cred. Again, you can't argue one way or another without knowing dnyarri's alignment so I won't consider any of this in my analysis. One thing that stands out to me is that OWB has talked about only three people: Derrida, Dragoon and Day_Walker His impression on Derrida seems to be neutral so far, and that he thinks Derrida's early Day 1 play seems influenced more by inexperience than scumminess. He was third to vote for theDragoon which I feel is a point in his favour, although his reasoning is based on the td/DW theory: I think he was the one to first throw out the idea that tD and DW were trying to distance themselves from each other. He doesn't state any other reasons to suspect either tD or DW. Just before the end of the day, he states: He is doubting that tD and DW are a pair. He states "If Dragoon flips town DW looks clear", but he follows that up with "he seems to have gone out of his way to make it actually look this way" which implies that he finds the DW's hard defense of tD suspicious in itself. When he last-minute switches to dnyarri (following Jonny's lead), he says he "wanted DW over Dragoon anyway". Nothing stands out to me in OWB's filter as particularly scummy so I'm going to rate him as neutral at the moment, although I'm not liking the fact that the only analysis he's contributed against tD/DW is on the scum buddy theory. to OnlyWonderBoy: I really want to hear your thoughts on what went down. I also want to see more analysis on why you wanted Day_Walker over theDragoon in Day 1, and what your thoughts on him are after the flip. I want to hear your top scum picks because so far your only suspects have been theDragoon and Day_Walker. I admit I was a bit overzealous with the Dragoon/DW pair. There was a light connection so I don't feel bad about pushing it to start. I've previously stated why I started to shy away from Dragoon and the DW pair (revolving around how DW played after it seemed certain Dragoon was gonna get lynched). It was not Dragoon's impassioned plea that changed my mind about him. I still think there's a chance DW is scum so I at least tried to move the focus towards him. So DW is still one of my top scum picks. In regards to what happened at deadline, I think a lot of players were just putting their faith in Jonny's vote. Like I said, I'm not 100% sure of dnyarri being scum, but I was willing to take the risk knowing that if he could flip town. Personally I was voting more to save Dragoon than to kill dnyarri (who of course, could be scum). Several other players mentioned how they were convinced of Dragoon's innocence due to his final post so that could have made it easier for them to switch last minute. In terms of other possible scum players, I'm of course suspicious of dnyarri like a lot of players now. Really hope he shows up so we get some sort of insight on his play. Don't have any other solid scum reads right now so I guess my main focus is on dnyarri and Day_Walker. Still not sure about Derrida, but I'm still leaning towards bad town rather than scum. Might need to look into him more. | ||
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Gonna be AFK for a bit. | ||
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On January 10 2014 02:12 Balla24 wrote: Yeah, sidesprang was one of my weaker relationships. Sidesprang never mentioned derrida once in his entire time until he died. That indicates there IS a relationship. Derrida was relatively hard on Sidesprang the entire game, BUT it was very easy to fake, especially in his first post where he gives him red... He never really acts on it. Definitely probably not worth writing off. I read that more as Derrida trying to push a case on a semi-lurker that he could justify as a reasonable read when he flipped town. It seemed like he was posturing himself for Day 2 and of course didn't expect to die. I'm still getting a scum vibe from Day_Walker. There are his interactions with Derrida prior to his flip On January 09 2014 02:15 Day_Walker wrote: I don't like Derrida's post, and I'm going to bed. On January 09 2014 02:33 Day_Walker wrote: Also because it is full of statements which are factually incorrect. You have not read the thread carefully. While this is a negative statement against Derrida it's hardly pushing him very hard. Could easily be a weak read to just to build cred if Derrida ever flipped scum (although I doubt the scum team expected it to come so soon) I also don't think his main theory of Asuna/dnyarri/Derrida is super solid. It revolves heavily around the idea of Derrida leaving out Asuana and dnyarri from his initial reads. I just can't imagine a scum player purposely leaving BOTH of his partners off of a list. It's so suspicious and something people could easily find. If that's what actually happened that might be the worst mafia play I've seen in all my newb games. If we are less certain about dnyarri being scum I'm fine with finding a new target, but at this point even if we lynch him we find out a lot of information regardless of how he flips. | ||
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On January 11 2014 02:58 Balla24 wrote: @OWB how do you justify having DW as a scum read yet you continue to vote dnyarri even though DW wanted dnyarri lynched yesterday? I haven't voted yet. I said I was okay with the dnyarri vote but I hadn't committed to it because I wasn't convinced it was completely the right lynch. As I said my suspicion lies on vote: Day_Walker Sadly these accusations come at a bad time as I am at work and don't have the time to come up with a concrete defense. I know Balla will say this is like the last game I was scum and I must say the parallels are quite unfortunate. Sorry that my play was wishy washy, it's just the way a play and I realize it's actually poorly suited for wwinning games. | ||
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On January 17 2014 08:40 Balla24 wrote: Makes me sad  I enjoyed playing with you and thanks for filling the game up :D but yeah if you don't enjoy it no reason to play it ^_^Have a good one OWB you'll be missed. Don't get me wrong, I had a lot of fun, real life just seemed to always get in the way and impacted my play. Although who knows, maybe I'll get an itch to play and change my mind. I had fun playing with you too Balla, I liked having consistency in players across the newb games. | ||
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