Risen saying everyone is bad is not a defense. You seem to think it is obvious you are town so can you explain why? Can you explain why your play the last couple days helped town or at the very least why some other people are more likely to be scum?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 12:21 GMT

#5180

Seriously where is thrawn. He has posted multiple times in his other game and is just ignoring this one.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 16:43 GMT

#5199

Koshi, I still think rayn is town. His mason plan seemed to come from such a townie perspective. Your entire case is basically built on 1) having to trust that you are the rayn whisperer and 2) his reads change, which I imagine is true for everyone who is actually playing the game and trying to figure stuff out. It would be an issue if you could prove his reads change for illogical reasons.

Also I want to point out Thrawn has made 65 posts in his other game since his last post here. What the fuck.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 17:05 GMT

#5203

I would like to hear from rayn what it was that proved 100% that austin was scum.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 17:09 GMT

#5206

I do find it a bit suspicious he just had BC listed under scummy scum but snap unvotes him and votes slam over slams nonsense scumslip post.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 17:42 GMT

#5224

We have 7 hours until lynch. The votes are way too spread out right now. Mafia has 10 votes they can basically lynch whoever they want if town is this spread out. We need to consolidate on a few good targets so mafia cannot completely manipulate the lynch. Some votes right now are totally useless.

Rayn nobody is going to lynch supersoft today. It just isn't going to happen unless you have an incredibly strong case you think you can push then you should be voting BC.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 17:44 GMT

#5230

Koshi/rayn can you guys not spam the thread with a pointless argument. Discuss things civilly. We only have a few hours till lynch.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 17:52 GMT

#5237

Rayn unless you are going to actively push supersoft then you are hurting town with that attitude. Spreading votes out on candidates that wont be lynched lets mafia do whatever they want. I am masond with SS and I believe he is making an effort. Read his logs with BC look at his plan to find out if I were scum, look at the effort he put in in the mason logs compared to BC. Do you believe he would come up with the plan to find my alignment as scum?

Do you believe that SS would be so ballsy as scum as to claim Roleblocker (a normally mafia role) on d1?

And SS immediately masond me at the start of today, I really don't think a scum SS is going to want to talk to me in mason chat. BC certainly didn't mason me at any point this game.

The case against BC is 100x stronger. Be realistic here.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 18:02 GMT

#5246

Ok let me give a timeline for BC's play this game

Day 1) Posts a terrible case against Grack where he fluffs it up with 4 paragraphs about trolling. I call him out on this and his response is

On November 16 2013 02:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:

BC is of the old school generation where you would post by post analysis. Sadly that means you will get a breakdown of virtually every post the guy has made when I make a case. It may make it long and wordy but at least you get my thought process in full.

So BC is from the oldschool generation that does post by post analysis. He proceeds to not do anymore of that for the rest of the game. He certainly didn't look through all of my posts before deciding I was scum

2) Grack pushes to kill mocsta right at the end of the day1. Does this change BC's read? No in fact it makes him even more sure that Grack is mafia! He posts a ridiculous meta case which is bullshit and untrue. I again call him out on his BS

3) He disappears from the thread and tells SS in mason chat he wants BH to die not because he could be mafia but because he wants to survive and is afraid he will be lynched if BH doesn't.

4) He returns with a huge post yelling at everyone, especially the lurkers and talks about how bad everyone is playing. Keep in mind during his SS logs he never complained about the town or acted pissed off at all.

5) Last night artanis says he is going to shoot BC, artanis is then RBd. BC will tell you they did this because they wanted to mislynch him but that's is taking a pretty big risk for mafia to stop a townie from shooting another townie. Oh and the only people pushing for BC's lynch today is me/austin/grack. If you don't think we are scum then 00000000 scum are pushing for him.

6) BC then decided I am mafia for complete and total BS reasons and ignores any logical response I give. He completely ignores the fact that why the fuck would I claim I shot sharrant n1 when 0 mafia kp was missing. It is just ridiculous. He then proceeds to post another long rambling post about how he is terrible at town and people expect way too much of him blah blah blah.

Seriously tell me how BC is town. Tell me.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 18:03 GMT

#5248

Oh and I forgot he calls me scummy for shooting mattchew when he yelled about how mattchew was useless and listed him as one of his top scum reads. Terrific.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 18:05 GMT

#5250

He did post the mason logs. How is that refusing lol.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 18:13 GMT

#5258

I didnt know artanis would be rbd, I already explained this to you. 1) how cuold I know for sure mafia have a rb 2) hf claimed he shot mocsta maybe he confused them so they wouldn't rb if they did have a rber

No shit I didn't shoot you n1. I voted you as mayor obviously I didn't think you were scum then.

I chose the safe play to not shoot you last night because I didn't want to risk a wasted bullet if me and artanis both shot you (vigs dont get bullets back if they overlap)

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 18:14 GMT

#5259

You are completely making shit up and twisting everything I do to serve your purpose. Act like you were always my top scum read. Such bullshit.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 18:15 GMT

#5261

Also I find it funny you happen to just pop up now right after I make a post against you. The day started with it looking like you would be lynched easily and slowly the votes slide off of you as you sit back and do nothing.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 18:24 GMT

#5274

I didn't say artanis was 99% to be rbd. Find that quote. Instead of lying show me the quote I say artanis was 99% to be rbd.

Grack/storrzerg were my top scum reads day1. Guess what things change during the night as they make reasonable posts. I shot sharrant for the same reasons I shot mattchew they seemed to be lurkers who were playing even less than they normally do and hadn't contributed to town. For sharrant yam was also highly suspicious of him and at the time I thought yam was town as well.

Seriously BC do you think I would claim that I shot sharrant n1 when 0 kp was missing and mattchew n2 when I didn't need to? I have played nearly 20 games on TL and I have never fake claimed, or done fucking anything like that. I hate playing mafia and every time I am mafia I just glide under the radar. Instead of making up this bullshit conjecture about how oh maybe because I have never done it before I would do it now, why don't you look at my past games.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 18:26 GMT

#5277

On November 23 2013 03:22 Holyflare wrote:
Why isn't SS defending Pandain if he already forged his mason log to do it and he's so active in a qt with mig?

Where did SS say he thinks Pandain is town?

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 18:28 GMT

#5278

I have too much respect for BC to believe this could be his town play. Anything else I could have at least seen a possibility for but you know me you have played with me many times in the past, my scum and town games are very different. I just can't believe you think I am scum.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 18:31 GMT

#5281

QUOTE]On November 22 2013 08:06 Mig wrote:
Austin who are you leaning towards with your second vote?

Risen looking like a pretty good choice right now. His play in the last day or so is actively harming the town. He has some ridiculous policy lynch reason for voting grack (which he didn't have for BH). And looking at the GoT mafia game he can be actively very helpful as town. Also there is this post

On November 19 2013 18:05 Risen wrote:

Show nested quote +

And some people don't like your play... fairly good reads imo.

He says that LM has pretty good reads, which included mattchew as scum, then says the shot on mattchew was scummy.

On November 21 2013 10:26 Risen wrote:
Probably would have been a more useful shot tbh. No idea what possessed you to shoot Mattchew of all people. Pretty scummy shot.

[/QUOTE]

These are my thoughts on Risen.

I have asked Risen multiple times to explain why he is town and he just disappears. Not sure if this means he is a town who doesn't care or mafia tho.

Mig

United States4714 Posts

November 22 2013 21:23 GMT

#5409

If Risen is scum he is a beast. On one hand you put 0 effort in at all this entire game then when about to be lynched you explode. But it seems believable. I have no clue really tough.

Anyone want to talk about thrawn. He posted 65 times in his other game and not here, 65! Also, 16 people have received votes today but not him. Why is he so completely ignored. If he were town seems like an easy person to jump on for mafia.