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On November 19 2013 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 02:01 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 19 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._. Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo.. /dunked Thrawn answer this post immediately. You are not allowed to call Grack scum until you debunk this argument. because he's not a tracker so everything he says regarding his tracker actions are bs /facepalm HE SAYS HE WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED. IN THE SAME POST HE RETRACTS FROM HIS TRACKER CLAIM? srsly you can't read or are you scum?
rayn holy fucking hell. if you're town this game like i'm thinking then I'm pretty sure I will never misread you again. can we not have a repeat of desert mafia? can you stop being so fucking stubborn and spamming the thread while not reading anything I say? I've tried to talk to you about my reads in the qt.remember I said I didn't want us to argue in the thread, because I think you're town and I know from experience what happens when town rayn and town thrawn start talking? i've tried to talk to you about my blazinghand town read in the qt. you basically told me to STFU and that you REFUSE to think about any of the points I bring up regarding my scumreads or BH town reads
jeez
I need a fucking cig
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On November 19 2013 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You ahve been telling me to read Grackaroni. I am not going to read Grackaroni because it's a waste of time because all cases on him are shit connection cases based on that he accused Moscta of being scum (lol) and then Mocsta got mad at him (lol). Also if Blazinghand is scum which he is because he is one of these idiots making terribad cases on Grack and he scumslipped in thread, Grackaroni can't possibly be mafia. There is no fucking way mafia decided on N1 "let's all buss Grackaroni to the death".
If you believe that to be the case you are either scum or need to seriously reconsider how good you are at mafia.
yea ok
"I'm not going to read anything you tell me then i'm going to demand that you explain your reads. then i'm going to refuse to pay attention to them and demand that you explain your reads. then i'm going to refuse to read them etc etc etc"
fuck off
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On November 19 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So unless someone makes a real case on Grackaroni (something that's not "he accused a scum dude who got mad on him therefore 100% bus") i am not willing to listen anything about Grackaroni. oh yeah excpet for thrawn. i'm going to ignore everything thrawn says
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On November 19 2013 02:17 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 02:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 19 2013 02:15 Koshi wrote:
If BH flips green and his dieing wish is that we lynch Grack. Will you do allow it rayn? Then i will reconsider. But i can tell you BH is not going to flip green. There is no fucking way that's gonna happen. I am with you but I put it on 70%/30%. I need to known what BH said to thrawn.
i asked him if he was really tracker because i didn't buy it. he said no he's not, and that he probably wasn't going to reveal this to the thread, but he only claimed tracker because he was going to be busy and didn't want to be lynched
do you really think that scum bh would just tell me that
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Hey super
Who do you want me to mason tomorrow out of:
VE
BC
yourself
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On November 19 2013 08:28 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 08:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
Hey super
Who do you want me to mason tomorrow out of:
VE
BC
yourself We don't talk in thread about who to mason. I expect you to choose wisely. The fact that there might be a suicidebomber out there who kills me regardless of my vest makes me sleep uncomfortable!
pretend that your answer is not going to impact my decision because it won't
who and why?
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Pandain are you around? We need to finish that convo from last night
So far your play since that conversation has amounted to:
-stuff about moctsa that isn't really helping discussion
-a post about why onegu is probably scum
-a post about why onegu is probably town
I asked you to have reads next time you returned to the thread. What are they?
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Oatsmaster I want you to give your full read on thrawn because I'm not buying it. I want to know what you thought of the guy he replaced, and a history of how your read on thrawn has developed over the game. You should know thrawn's town play and town Oats would never call thrawn scum in this game. Here's what you said:
On November 19 2013 03:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thrawn dunno kinda leaning scum if he doesnt change his mind on Grack.
Like I said earlier I do not believe that a town Oats would be as wishy-washy as "dunno kinda leaning scum" about thrawn. Then you told thrawn exactly what he needs to do to earn a town read from you. So wtf? Please help me understand your read because it looks like pure BS
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On November 19 2013 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote:Thrawn I apologize for not ever providing that mind-meld you requested. I was balls-deep in a mayoral campaign, and then my power went out, it was just real bad timing and I wish I could have obliged you. 
you can still do it now no? everyone has asked you for basically the same thing
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LOL
bh claimed assassin to me in qt. that is the other part of the wtf-ness I mentioned when I first started talking about him. i didn't want to reveal that he told me this for the same reasons I didn't want to reveal what he told me about his fakeclaim
so can we finally talking about him?
sorry BH <3
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On November 19 2013 09:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ninja'd so he CLAIMED Assassin to you in PMs?
Like, that makes me think scum because he didn't do it in-thread. LMAO Oh BH, you rascal.
he told me he was assassin and was playing scummily as he can without getting lynched. then he kinda backed down off of that claim and started acting like he's a tracker. THEN he told me he only claimed tracker to the thread because he was gonna be busy
why would scum say shit like that?
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On November 19 2013 09:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
that's fine, if he turns out to be the assassin that's 2 more people out of our hair. Either way I think this lynch is pretty set in stone
##vote blazinghand
that's ridiculous. why are you settling for what you seem to be suggesting is a non-scum lynch?
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+ Show Spoiler [bh/thrawn logs] +
thrawn - BLAZINGHAND MUH NIGG WHAT'S UP
first things first... you town?
BH - I am an assassin and am intentionally playing as scummy as possible without getting lynched. The other assassin will be the one who never suspects me as scum.
BH - I am the tracker. That is a legitimate crumb. I am hoping not to get role blocked tonight. Got any ideas who I should target?
thrawn - @3 what? why would you tell me this?
thrawn - oh nvm just now started reading op. i've never experienced assassins before
the way it looks to me is that it's not necessarily anti town? or what?
thrawn - eh this is fucking weird lol... no clue how to process what your motivations should be
thrawn - OK two questions
1 why would you claim assassin to me
2 why are you intentionally acting scummy/trolly? isn't that sure to bring suspicion on you? why wouldn't you be trying to play townie?
thrawn - wtf bh are you scum?
if you're truly assassin I don't really know if I care about this qt any more, but what if i'm the assassin? why would you just claim it immediately like that? i'm having trouble wrapping my head around what should be your "assassin point of view" or whatever
BH - OK in a hypothetical world where I am the assassin there's no way you're also the assassin, since assassins can't mason, right?
So imagine I'm the assassin-- someone has masoned me. He's either town thrawn, looking for clues, or scum thrawn, trying to figure out if I should be NKed. If he's scum thrawn I want him to know I'm the assassin. This way he aims his shots elsewhere and makes it more likely that my DT check for the other assassin goes off properly. If he's town thrawn I won't be able to keep up the illusion of being the tracker in a 1-on-1 convo, so I will claim assassin to him and strike a bargain with him: I'll actually read and help him refine reads and give my honest opinion if he doesn't try to lynch me tomorrow.
The other alternative is that I'm really the tracker, and am worried thrawn might be scum, so I soft-claim assassin in an attempt not to be shot.
There's really no reason I wouldn't claim assassin, honestly.
BH - Let me put it this way, thrawn. Whether I am telling the truth or lying, let me know two people you want analyzed and I will analyze them with the full force of the best analysis I'm capable of. If you have cases or reads your want opinions on, I'll be glad to help you out. Let me know what you need and I'll do it.
thrawn - ight now i'm looking at panda grack and austin. if you only want two i'd say go for grack and austin
panda and grack are the scum reads I picked up while I was skimming the game right after it started. you can see what i think about austin in the thread. I don't remember what it was I was thinking about panda, and i'm probably most hesitant about that read because what he's posted since i've joined has all seemed pretty carefree. grack i remember being useless and going on about electing kush, and there were some things VE pointed out (like how it's odd what he chooses to be serious about) that i agreed with
lol at some point i will actually need to read pages 1-election page
BH - I'll take a look.
BH - sorry for the delay, had some IRL issues last night. looking now ;_;
BH - yeah grack probably scum. he's a slippery one though, I doubt we'll be able to pull off a lynch on him today unless people are pretty smart. got any track ideas?
thrawn - if i were tracker I might rng it between grack/austin. i still haven't read anything beyond what i mentioned earlier and all my other reads are town reads
who do you think I should mason next cycle? what do you think about super, I was thinking about either picking him (if he is town I would really like to be able to trust and work with him) or one of the people that haven't really jumped into discussion
and I take it that you disagree about austin and panda since you didn't mention them? btw I don't know what you meant when you said grack would be hard to lynch... i'm probably gonna put a placeholder vote down on him while i finish catching up
thrawn - oh what do you think about koshi? I tried to incite some kind of emotional response from him but what I got was pretty underwhelming. he's so much more reserved than he was in WCII. In wc2 I basically knew he was town right from the start and that feeling never went away, i'm not getting that here
BH - gonna check Austin. I think grack is slam dunk don't need a track on him.
sorry didnt actually have time to dive Austin.
koshi shows his colors over time
ss is fine but also consider Also yamato. his anger might be fake; a qt will show.
BH - OK sent in a track on Austin. I'll be back hopefully before flips.
thrawn - lol yeah yamato sounds interesting
if he immediately starts insulting me he's probably town
BH - basically yes.
thrawn - are you really tracker?
and wtf you claimed that to the thread back in D1? WHHY?
tbh i don't think i believe either the assassin or tracker claims... meh
BH - remember that a scum yam will seem to have a different mood than what hr has in thread
BH - honestly I didn't have much time day 1 since I'm starting at a new job on Monday. I figured claiming would buy me the time to price myself.I would never admit this to the thread tho lol. had to do a lot of phone post and read so far. I think I should be able to catch enough scum going forward to prove myself town.
really though be careful with yam. town yam will see scummy for his anger. scum yam will seem townie for his reasonableness. don't let him mess with your head.
BH - my panda read is based on his tunnel of me actually being an attempt by scum to opt out of the thread. if I die tonight see what his next target is. if he is involves i n the thread be is town.if he finds another way to opt out, push him. grack first tho imo
I'm more inclined to think town over assassin for the reasons he gave me for his assassin claim
BUT EITHER CASE HE DOESN'T GET LYNCHED
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On November 19 2013 09:55 Mig wrote:
thrawn why did you decide to out him now and not earlier?
because I thought revealing it would start a bunch of useless discussion about someone I thought was town. objectively what he told me "looks" really scummy, it's the type of thing that you lynch people every time for and that's a big part of why I think he ISN'T scum
i'd hoped that he'd show up and show his colors... but this did not happen. lol it's basically a desperation move
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On November 19 2013 15:48 Pandain wrote:
Actually the fact you're so out of touch with what's going on in the thread is a bit concerning.
Why do you want to lynch me
why do you ignore my questions?
what changed about BH for you? you've gone from "bh is scum for sure i have nothing else to talk about" to "bh isn't scum i don't have anything else to talk about" and back to BH is scum. what's changed about BH since when you decided he was town until now? the assassin bit? can you explain why you think this makes him scum?
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ok what do you think he's going to flip? scum or assassin?
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On November 19 2013 15:56 Pandain wrote:
Who knows and it doesn't really matter. Scum flips, superb and it leads to other places.
Assasin flips; we get it out of the way, another person is gone, easier to analyze
??
yes it matters, and I want you to answer the question. after I revealed what he said about the fakeclaim you sounded really confident about calling him town for it. now you're saying it has no pro town motive behind it. so what changed? I don't buy the explanation you gave about the assassin claim because you clearly don't even care that there's a high probability that we might be lynching not-scum. did you read the mason logs? do you really think mafia would play so loose?
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On November 19 2013 15:59 Pandain wrote:
Do you think he's honestly town?
He's fake-claimed twice, others have noted he's never fake-claimed as town before which is surprising but also relevant to this. Now he's fake-claimed twice.
I don't disagree he might be town, but it would be bad town play to not lynch him
I really don't know at this point. It's a toss up between town and assassin. I started off thinking he's town but with how long he's been gone I'm starting to believe what he said about trying to play scummy intentionally.
this is not about what is good or bad town play. this is about what your reads are and what is the best course of action for this game in a vacuum
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On November 19 2013 15:54 Pandain wrote:If you're fake-claiming for no town reason then that only leaves scum reasons.
This is what I want you to explain. Last night you had a completely different opinion about BH's motives to fakeclaim. My reveal of his fakeclaim made you 180 on your read. But now you say fake claiming serves town no purpose. So which is it?
Go back and read the mason logs. Read his post where he explains why he claimed assassin to me. No town reasons? Or even no assassin reasons?
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HF are you calling rayn tunneled town... or lying scum... or what?
@ all BH voters:
""When it comes down to it, Grack has done almost nothing today that merits the townreads or at least "let's lynch him later" reads that he's earned from people. People say my case on Grack is bad because he's an "easy target" but let's be 100% real here, that's pretty much the same as saying my case on Grack is bad because Grack is probably scum. Like "easy target" = "scummy". In fact, the majority of my case on Grack has to do with the fact that he's not an easy target, that when you reach out to grasp him he slips through your fingers like smoke and vanishes like a whisper on the wind, as quickly gone as an idle daydream but as firmly remembered as a summer's romance. ""
in order of likeliness scum are grack pandain (one of HF or Austin, their mason chat was way too friendly and I don't detect any real suspicion coming from either of them) oats
grack for reasons BH gave
pandain because his stance on BH throughout D@ has been ridiculous and he has nothing else to talk about
oats because town oats would never think i'm scum
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