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On November 15 2013 23:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:I mean: the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion. this is pretty bad.. BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further.
it comes down to asset management.
BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum.
there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg. ...but this is pretty good. ??? a day1 town BC loss is a massive win for scum. if he is scum and lynched. course its a good win fie town, but the team still has 5 members and can continue as before. I think in this scenario, the benefit of a town vet outweighs a scum vet. its why people say leave marv and palmar to day 2 or 3 regardless of performance. BC fits into that grouping.
It's bad because we lynch BC if he is scum and we don't lynch him if he is town.
The argument of weighing the pros and cons of lynching him is nonsense.
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I would quote the wise Palmar from Ego mini mafia but i am too lazy so i put it her in my own words.
BC hangs like any other player in this game and we lynch him if he is scum.
No need to give anyone a free pass because of some arbitary status.
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Koshi why are you so weird? Are you scum?
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Mocsta stop it already. yamato is being completely reasonable.
What do you think of supersoft's last post?
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Holyflare could you elaborate more on which reads have i not explained?
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Also your meta on me is total bullshit and based on one phase where i was not able to play.
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Well it does not hold water because my posting style and playstyle is similar as town and scum and you can't possibly get anything out of it unless you have actually played in the game yourself.
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On November 16 2013 00:24 Holyflare wrote:Also what i mean on the reads front is that when you post your read about someone it is usually based on 1 or 2 lines of you saying something that a person did. This means I have to read up to see if it actually makes sense and to confirm what you are saying and when you do give a read off the top of your head I expect you to follow it up with some reasoning: re: Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 15 2013 23:22 LoneMeow wrote:On November 15 2013 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato you are the only person who i am confident can actually read me on D1. Can you tell these fuckers to look somewhere else because atm the thread is about which one of these two townies (me/lonemeow) is scum and it really does not help. Who's your top scum suspect that you'd prefer we look into instead? Waiting for Storrzerg's answer to Mocsta. - Holyflare i still think is scum but i don't care to write a big post about it right now.
- Grack had couple of bad posts, one of which i pointed out and another one where he says he does not bother reading me or Koshi because impossible - which is not correct, at least regarding Koshi.
- BC's posts have been bad.
- supersoft got a little better but still dislike him.
- Sharrant for being exited before the game and then not being exited at all when the game starts.
That's it pretty much from the people who have posted. Still not sold on Koshi's towniness, seems too tryhard which is not his usual townplay.
Yeah i could quote all their posts and say "this is bad", "this is also bad", "this is incorrect" but i don't care. If you are not willing to do the work yourself and take a look if you think i am right or not then you are lazy or scum. And that is something that definitely does not make me scum like you seem to be implying.
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Also, everyone thinks their playstyle is the same as both town and scum because that would be the ideal thing to do, if that were the case nobody could have any meta on you at all and so when you asked yamato if you were definitely town because he could "read" you, he must therefore be wrong too. So which is it? Are you the best mafia player with an impeccable playstyle or could it be that someone actually analyses you in a correct manner?
Well you are calling me scum besides ~5 other players so you definitely have no idea what you are talking about.
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You were implying i was scum earlier. I don't even know why because you never really told me.
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Holyflare basically your read's on me evolvement makes absolutely no sense.
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On November 16 2013 00:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You were implying i was scum earlier. I don't even know why because you never really told me. I made a whole post on you, it's not my fault if you haven't read it. About 3 people have copied it since then so it's no excuse. You disregarded risen after 1 post and called him town for NO reason (you have rectified this since then) and called my post bad (lol) because you misread what I intended. You jumped over me on a campaign that was better than the other campaigns currently put out which seemed irrational and scum raynish but you have backed off since then and started to develop other reads etc.
You are totally twisting my words. scum.
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So Holyflare is scum and should be lynched on D1.
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Here is why Holyflare is SCUM and should be lynched:
*also elect me as mayor*
On November 16 2013 00:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You were implying i was scum earlier. I don't even know why because you never really told me. I made a whole post on you, it's not my fault if you haven't read it. About 3 people have copied it since then so it's no excuse. You disregarded risen after 1 post and called him town for NO reason (you have rectified this since then) and called my post bad (lol) because you misread what I intended. You jumped over me on a campaign that was better than the other campaigns currently put out which seemed irrational and scum raynish but you have backed off since then and started to develop other reads etc.
1) I have never ever in this game called Risen town. Whoever says so does not make it true. There is nothing to rectify because i have not done so. Oats for example did ask me about it and i clarified why i said i will ignore Risen on D1. After that it has not been brought up. You on the other hand still bring up how I CALLED RISEN TOWN (false) and then rectified my statement (false). I ahve not changed my mind on anything so you are making shit up.
2) I clearly stated why your campaign is full of shit. Everything you said in the campaign had been brought up earlier in thread and there is no reason to write fancy non-alignment indicative words because the only thing that matter is that the mayor lynches scum. Period. Therefore the campaign is shit. Do you think BC/yamato/supersoft/VE/me/etc etc are all scum and don't really want to be mayor? Are we running for mayor? Why do you think we are not writing fancy posts about our awesomeness and plans on lynching scum as mayor? Because it does not make it anyone any more town and therefore those kinda campaigns are shit and mean absolutely nothing. So why did you write that post again?
3) Now you are calling me town for my reads. But that was not the reason you called me scum in the first place (lack of reads). How does my reads (oh they were also weak with no reasoning according to you) make me suddenly town when the reasons you called me scum for were something completely different? You can't even fucking know if i am right or wrong in my reads if you are town. So it makes no sense.
You are scum and making shit up.
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On November 16 2013 01:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Rayn. Only question I have for you on Risen. He has actively said he thinks your scum and should die. Why are you intent on leaving him alone day 1 (as well as defending him I might add) when he actively wants you dead?
Because he wanting me dead does not make him scum.
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BC i like some of your points on Grackaroni. I dislike the early parts of your case because Grackaroni was obviously just trolling.
Could you comment on my case on HF?
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On November 16 2013 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is why Holyflare is SCUM and should be lynched:*also elect me as mayor*On November 16 2013 00:42 Holyflare wrote:On November 16 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You were implying i was scum earlier. I don't even know why because you never really told me. I made a whole post on you, it's not my fault if you haven't read it. About 3 people have copied it since then so it's no excuse. You disregarded risen after 1 post and called him town for NO reason (you have rectified this since then) and called my post bad (lol) because you misread what I intended. You jumped over me on a campaign that was better than the other campaigns currently put out which seemed irrational and scum raynish but you have backed off since then and started to develop other reads etc. 1) I have never ever in this game called Risen town. Whoever says so does not make it true. There is nothing to rectify because i have not done so. Oats for example did ask me about it and i clarified why i said i will ignore Risen on D1. After that it has not been brought up. You on the other hand still bring up how I CALLED RISEN TOWN (false) and then rectified my statement (false). I ahve not changed my mind on anything so you are making shit up. 2) I clearly stated why your campaign is full of shit. Everything you said in the campaign had been brought up earlier in thread and there is no reason to write fancy non-alignment indicative words because the only thing that matter is that the mayor lynches scum. Period. Therefore the campaign is shit. Do you think BC/yamato/supersoft/VE/me/etc etc are all scum and don't really want to be mayor? Are we running for mayor? Why do you think we are not writing fancy posts about our awesomeness and plans on lynching scum as mayor? Because it does not make it anyone any more town and therefore those kinda campaigns are shit and mean absolutely nothing. So why did you write that post again? 3) Now you are calling me town for my reads. But that was not the reason you called me scum in the first place (lack of reads). How does my reads (oh they were also weak with no reasoning according to you) make me suddenly town when the reasons you called me scum for were something completely different? You can't even fucking know if i am right or wrong in my reads if you are town. So it makes no sense. You are scum and making shit up. I dont even know what this case is Rayn. Only the last point has ANY merit at all and thats stretching it.
That's because you don't understand how to find scum.
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On November 16 2013 01:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 16 2013 01:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Rayn. Only question I have for you on Risen. He has actively said he thinks your scum and should die. Why are you intent on leaving him alone day 1 (as well as defending him I might add) when he actively wants you dead? Because he wanting me dead does not make him scum. Im not saying it makes him scum but why are you fine with leaving someone alone who doesn't want you to live? I find your reaction to it strange.
Risen can't possibly get me lynched when i am town and me arguing with him about it does nothing good because i am fairly sure we can't come to an agreement. So it's better for everyone if i let him do his own stuff, if he's town he will probably realize i am town at some point, if he is scum i don't know but we'll see about that later.
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On November 16 2013 01:59 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is why Holyflare is SCUM and should be lynched:*also elect me as mayor*On November 16 2013 00:42 Holyflare wrote:On November 16 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You were implying i was scum earlier. I don't even know why because you never really told me. I made a whole post on you, it's not my fault if you haven't read it. About 3 people have copied it since then so it's no excuse. You disregarded risen after 1 post and called him town for NO reason (you have rectified this since then) and called my post bad (lol) because you misread what I intended. You jumped over me on a campaign that was better than the other campaigns currently put out which seemed irrational and scum raynish but you have backed off since then and started to develop other reads etc. 1) I have never ever in this game called Risen town. Whoever says so does not make it true. There is nothing to rectify because i have not done so. Oats for example did ask me about it and i clarified why i said i will ignore Risen on D1. After that it has not been brought up. You on the other hand still bring up how I CALLED RISEN TOWN (false) and then rectified my statement (false). I ahve not changed my mind on anything so you are making shit up. 2) I clearly stated why your campaign is full of shit. Everything you said in the campaign had been brought up earlier in thread and there is no reason to write fancy non-alignment indicative words because the only thing that matter is that the mayor lynches scum. Period. Therefore the campaign is shit. Do you think BC/yamato/supersoft/VE/me/etc etc are all scum and don't really want to be mayor? Are we running for mayor? Why do you think we are not writing fancy posts about our awesomeness and plans on lynching scum as mayor? Because it does not make it anyone any more town and therefore those kinda campaigns are shit and mean absolutely nothing. So why did you write that post again? 3) Now you are calling me town for my reads. But that was not the reason you called me scum in the first place (lack of reads). How does my reads (oh they were also weak with no reasoning according to you) make me suddenly town when the reasons you called me scum for were something completely different? You can't even fucking know if i am right or wrong in my reads if you are town. So it makes no sense. You are scum and making shit up. You didnt actively call him town but you did say you would ignore him and won't consider him for now. I can see this being stretched to "calling risen town" but yes you never actually said those words. Ignoring a player in full though tends to make people think town read. I don't think him having a non alignment indicative campaign is a bad thing. I would argue that making a "huge pro town" one is actually hard to do. Campaigns are required if someone seriously wants to be elected but past that their actions determine if they get elected. I would never elect HF based on his election post but I also wouldn't kill him for it. Point 3 has a ton of merit and looks bad. I honestly prefer a grack / storr lynch at this point but if HF keeps this behaviour up we will have a solid #3 to the list
The problem is the underlined. I explained i did never call Risen town to people, after this the question is "is rayn lying or not -> do i believe his explanation or is he making shit up" yet HF still says i did something i didn't do and does not address my explanation at all. He interprets my original post in some way and when i explain it i am "correcting myself" when in fact i am not.
Here the problem is he is saying his campaign is the absolute best and pro-town while it's not. He is justifying himself being town because of a post that's not alignment indicative (like other people have said aswell) and me being scum because i called the post bad originally?
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I am correct and i am amused by the fact that noone other than BC has commented on the best case there is.
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