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On November 17 2013 03:13 Onegu wrote:
I actually thought BC was slightly townie. His posts about mayor were very townie IMO. There are a few points I am going to bring up and he should answer though. First after people bring up that storrzerg has played in recent newbies he kept attacking people who called storr a newb, I thought he was a bit agressive in doing so but not in a scummy way.
@BC what is the difference between grack trolling and supersoft trolling? And who else is scum besides storr and grack?
I still have to go over his filter but what I remember from just reading thread SS was uber agressive and trolling.
Gracks trolling is doing absolutely no good to anyone this game. it isn't done in any helpful manner (which trolling can be done in). Give that his activity only really spiked when pressured then he vanished into the wind to not appear and contribute it screams fucking scum.
Compare to SS (as you can see his behaviour in the last few hours) has been done to poke and prod people to get responses out of them to get reads. Everything he has done has had purpose behind it that all imo come down to town motivated reasons.
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On November 17 2013 07:29 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 07:25 Koshi wrote:On November 17 2013 07:22 Pandain wrote:
Are you talking to me Koshi! No. But what did you say in your mason chat to supersoft that he thinks you are scum? I don't know I think it's that I didn't want to vote him right away.
I would hazard to guess its because you have a really meh filter for day 1. im not saying you are scum, but im not saying you've done enough to be called town either.
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Grackeroni
I have already harped on this guy. nothing has changed, at all. He hasn't posted anything groundbreaking, he hasn't attempted to really help the town in any way. Given that he has shown no compulsion to help even after being called out, I see no reason to think hes town.
Storrzerg
My read here has altered slightly in that I still think hes red, but he could end up being town. I am moving him to a null read given that if he keeps posting like he has been I am willing to say my initial read was wrong
Hiro
He has 0 content to his posts, insanely inactive, and i know hes capable of doing more than he is. Its possible hes just busy, but ive seen the guy lurk as red before and skate by on minimum posting standards as such I am keeping him to red until he proves otherwise
Blazinghand
The guy is fucking retarded. He is inactive for 24 hours, busts out with a shitty campaign post spouting horseshit, says hes gonna catch up and post then proceeds to have spotty play. He doesn't post any reads, he still defends bad play, he even then when called on it and sees his name up for a possible lynch claims tracker with the worst possible bread crumb in the world. He has done nothing useful whatsoever. I expect far more out of him than what he has given.
I do think at this point barring weird fucking circumstances i can confidently say
Supersoft, VE are town, yamato and artanis i have strong leanings on being town.
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On November 17 2013 07:53 Mattchew wrote:
i am not supportive of the SS wagon, i dont really like the way its developed
Can you say why? You have given no real input this game aside from statements with no information behind them
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On November 18 2013 07:00 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 06:23 austinmcc wrote:On November 18 2013 06:16 StorrZerg wrote:
engage me with something to chat about austin plox Talk to me about...BC and OOHCHILD. ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. Because you are poking here, I will go first. I don't like the way BC looks. I see very little effort from him D1, apart from making a good post on you and grack, but a post I think both alignments of BC could/should have made. Otherwise, he really comments on little, apart from wanting VE/SS in vests, and his reads are ... 2 that he has been going on about for a while, and poking Hiro and BH. How do you feel about him as a whole? What's the most important thing he's done after calling you and grack out? I will not say anything about OOHCHILD, and instead YOU will talk about him. Yessssssss. I also pointed out that i believed one of his attacks are policy(grack) and that either alignment could have made them, and it felt like he was not actually looking for scum. The case on myself was about a difference of opinion. From our convo, i would think its pretty clear both of us cannot be scum. I could possibly see it as a case that town bc would make, but i find it an easy case for mafia BC to make since he all ready made his case on grack which was policy. Overall it feels like a super weak start to the infamous BC. Show nested quote +Also storr never did anything substantial on his return to sway my belief of his alignment. He didn't provide any big new pieces of information. He didn't really do anything except defend himself. Fact of the matter is he looks worse than he did before. He and grack are still my two top reads for scum. That hasn't changed and neither has done anything to change that belief. This is another post where he attacks, yet no content is provided. What happened to make me look worse? How could i look even worse when i was "scum" earlier. I see bc tunneling on 2 people and throwing out some town reads. He does try and help town to vote for VE and SS which i can agree with so he earns points for that. + Show Spoiler +On November 17 2013 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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Grackeroni
I have already harped on this guy. nothing has changed, at all. He hasn't posted anything groundbreaking, he hasn't attempted to really help the town in any way. Given that he has shown no compulsion to help even after being called out, I see no reason to think hes town.
Storrzerg
My read here has altered slightly in that I still think hes red, but he could end up being town. I am moving him to a null read given that if he keeps posting like he has been I am willing to say my initial read was wrong
Hiro
He has 0 content to his posts, insanely inactive, and i know hes capable of doing more than he is. Its possible hes just busy, but ive seen the guy lurk as red before and skate by on minimum posting standards as such I am keeping him to red until he proves otherwise
Blazinghand
The guy is fucking retarded. He is inactive for 24 hours, busts out with a shitty campaign post spouting horseshit, says hes gonna catch up and post then proceeds to have spotty play. He doesn't post any reads, he still defends bad play, he even then when called on it and sees his name up for a possible lynch claims tracker with the worst possible bread crumb in the world. He has done nothing useful whatsoever. I expect far more out of him than what he has given.
I do think at this point barring weird fucking circumstances i can confidently say
Supersoft, VE are town, yamato and artanis i have strong leanings on being town.
Now i finally see some BC that has started to change. He has changed his view on myself, yet i don't see why. I'm not sure what changed, cause he goes from storr scum for "newby card + rng" then "even more scum for recent post, no idea what this post is or posts" , and then to null because ???? Can't read much into his grack opinion, other than town bc would jump on grack and so would scum Hiro has to fall in the same spot with grack. AKA BC just jumping on a lurk. (Hiro ends up replaced i think) BH, this maybe better in terms of looking for scum. Yet it still feels like an easy jump that is less based on BH being mafia and more BH being trolly Overall i don't see much from BH int terms of scum hunting and his change in view seems to lack reason. Maybe im expecting to much of him, but im leaning Scum on BH. in short BH has only jumped on weak lynches, thown some town reads, changed his mind about myself with no real reason.
I love the fact people are predictable.
First off. Day 1. I tunneled 1 person for the entirety of the day. hell I still think grack is scum. However my reasons behind changing my view should be apparent to anyone with a fucking brain. You pulled your head more or less out of your ass and began not being a fully stinking pile of shit. Im sorry I didnt tell you that my read changed because you were doing better, I was unaware I was supposed to pamper you and tell you that you're a big boy.
Seriously, though, I love seeing you perform. You have managed to really do a good job making me think you are just a massive retard though.
Do you agree with my read on grack? Does he look terrible? Has he done anything that is in any shape or form a solid contribution? IMO he hasn't thus scum. You say its something a town or scum me would do so null point. You then say I helped town try and organize its leaders, you then get mad I opt to single out two players as scum reads. One for very obvious reasons (BH) and Hiro. Ive played many games with him, it fit his meta. Why wouldn't I think he was scum til proven otherwise. I also take huge offense to someone who hasn't done any scum hunting in this game attacking me for actually doing it. Did I do what you expected? who fucking cares. I have done what I could in the time I had and picked out people who stood out to me. The fact you have "mattchew" in your mafia circle and have had to be goaded by another player into giving any opinions of your own out is fucking terrible. For a days worth of contributions you apparently think im scum, mattchew is scum and austin is town.
So not only did I have more scum reads than you, I also had more town reads. I know you are capable of more than this, and the fact you are attempting to pull this shit is infuriating. Oh wait, you also have actively attempted to divert anything that could potentially save my life in the off chance there is a suicide bomber in this game. Rather than fear mongering how about you drop a real case on me. If you want to call me scum, actually do it. Don't beat around the bush, actually follow through.
If I wasn't so damn sure now that your just a retard Id call you scum again. However I don't even think a scumteam would let a member of theirs post a pile of crap like this.
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On November 18 2013 08:24 Pandain wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Stutters695This is unacceptable and is also a pretty good lynch. Don't say that this is always Stutters play because he played damn better in ##. And he said he was going to lurk alot in his scum game with me when we were both scum. The part for BH that I can't get over is that he justifies his claim which is the main force certifying my scum read of him.
can you link to where he said that?
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BH is likely red given the fact 3 trackers would be a bit much. Also given his insane lack of serious contributions this game would put him very likely in the scum camp.
as for people mentioned in mocstas Filter.
Bc- Defends me when people were suggesting to lynch me. I view this as a scum ploy to buddy up to me but recognize it makes me look bad
Grack - was one of his top two scum reads. Venomously attacks him. Only way he can be concievably scum is if grack bussed him for some reason. Reactions from mocsta would only make sense in that case. Still very unlikely given no sane person would bus their own vig.
HF - mentions him as a null read
Kush - has very friendly interactions with. No real serious comments were involved. Null read at best
storrzerg - was his #1 scum read. Doesn't matter as storr flipped town and mocsta claimed the shot before dying.
mattchew - Calls mattchew town based on meta from previous games.
Lonemeow - defends LM from people and attacks them for potentially driving him out of the game.
He had some aggressive conversations with artanis. Attempts to hold conversation with both austin, rayn and spag.
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On November 18 2013 12:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I approve that BH is not a good lynch.
Why? He hasn't actively scum hunting, claimed a role that doesn't make sense with two flipped trackers and semi trolled. Nothing has really added up in his favour. We have one flipped scum who went out of his way to ignore him.
If not him, who would you recommend as your #1 lynch?
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On November 18 2013 12:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 12:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
BH is likely red given the fact 3 trackers would be a bit much. Also given his insane lack of serious contributions this game would put him very likely in the scum camp.
as for people mentioned in mocstas Filter.
Bc- Defends me when people were suggesting to lynch me. I view this as a scum ploy to buddy up to me but recognize it makes me look bad
Grack - was one of his top two scum reads. Venomously attacks him. Only way he can be concievably scum is if grack bussed him for some reason. Reactions from mocsta would only make sense in that case. Still very unlikely given no sane person would bus their own vig.
HF - mentions him as a null read
Kush - has very friendly interactions with. No real serious comments were involved. Null read at best
storrzerg - was his #1 scum read. Doesn't matter as storr flipped town and mocsta claimed the shot before dying.
mattchew - Calls mattchew town based on meta from previous games.
Lonemeow - defends LM from people and attacks them for potentially driving him out of the game.
He had some aggressive conversations with artanis. Attempts to hold conversation with both austin, rayn and spag.
I really do not like this post. Where are the conclusions?
Coming in another post. I need to think on it all properly. However, I also realize people don't like to filter dive and thus am pulling this out for slight ease for others to access.
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On November 18 2013 12:45 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 12:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
BH is likely red given the fact 3 trackers would be a bit much. Also given his insane lack of serious contributions this game would put him very likely in the scum camp.
you think BH as scum just lol-claimed tracker D1?
What are the odds of two dying N1. If scum has a rolecop the only fake claim they have is tracker. If you are an assassin the only fakeclaim you have is tracker. You still have to lie, but its the only "lie" that is believable enough to save yourself.
He thought he might die to lynch and claims. Given flips it screams fake, and factor in his horribad play day one + how bad it is for town to fake claim I find it hard to see him as anything but currently
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Looking over how Mocsta plays mafia in personality 2 has led me to a bit of insight into his current game. Given that it is one game that I have looked at as its one of the
A) large games
B) full of big names
I think its the best pool to work with.
Mocsta's doesn't like starting confrontation with his own teammates. In fact he doesn't really like causing a ton of confrontation period. He carefully and calmly writes his posts. In Personality he opted to tunnel corazon until he died. This game he was tunneling Storr and grack. Aside from that he likes to drop reads without giving any solid background information for. He likes to buddy up to strong vet players and avoid sticking his neck out whatsoever. He makes basic comments on situations but only enough to appear active / fan the flames. To be quite honest his play in personality 2 and here is borderline identical. This only changes near the end of the game when mafia was basically the only ones left with a small pool of townies.
Given that I would say virtually every name he mentioned is likely town given his history of actively ignoring his team in thread. As such I would tentatively list the group I mentioned before as all likely town. The only odd exception to this although very slight would be grack. I say this not because of how strongly my gut screams hes red, but purely on how the interactions between mocsta and him were. Mocsta appeared to be extremely angry/cross/annoyed/etc... almost exclusively with grack which is completely different from how he interacted with basically everyone in this game and everyone in personality.
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Hopeless, wheres the analysis on holy you promised?
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ebwop nevermight, misread your filter, ignore that line.
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You had 2 full days to catch up and order your thoughts. Can you call anyone scum now? If so why ?
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On November 18 2013 13:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC you spent a lot of time digging into moc's filter and came away with basically only town reads. Is your conclusion that scum are probably people he didn't talk about?
And what do you make of this conversation between myself and hopeless? Idk wtf he is trying to accomplish
Very likely yes. He engages austin in personality 2 twice in very non confrontational posts then promptly ignores him for a few days. Anyone in the filter he partially interacted with and stress interacted with could potentially be red but it isn't a strong possibility.
I think hopeless needs to honestly step up and honestly contribute something of value. His response to me of 2 days worth of reading summarized on 3 people in two sentences is god fucking awful.
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On November 18 2013 13:57 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 13:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 18 2013 13:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC you spent a lot of time digging into moc's filter and came away with basically only town reads. Is your conclusion that scum are probably people he didn't talk about?
And what do you make of this conversation between myself and hopeless? Idk wtf he is trying to accomplish Very likely yes. He engages austin in personality 2 twice in very non confrontational posts then promptly ignores him for a few days. Anyone in the filter he partially interacted with and stress interacted with could potentially be red but it isn't a strong possibility. I think hopeless needs to honestly step up and honestly contribute something of value. His response to me of 2 days worth of reading summarized on 3 people in two sentences is god fucking awful. you'll recall i scummily cited "internet problems" and "the weekend" for inactivity excuses. I'm sorry I havent been furiously typing away making the be-all-end-all case of the century. Oats is full of shit and I wouldnt mind seeing thrawn flip atm. But thats rage and indignation talking, not a real scumread. I'm going back to filters.
im sorry, weekend doesnt really validate a real excuse to me. I worked over 20 hours in the last two days and have still been able to read the thread and post some. So again, weekend really isn't an excuse. Hell im not even asking you to have been typing a ton of cases. I WANT MORE THAN TWO FUCKING SENTENCES ON 90 FUCKING PAGES OF CONTENT
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On November 18 2013 22:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 22:54 Koshi wrote:On November 18 2013 22:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Koshi I remember you had a supersoft scumread earlier, did that change and why? On November 17 2013 09:57 supersoft wrote:
okay i guess I'd kill mocsta. I believe he's scum. I am rereading him again. This was right before supersoft might have been mayor. Pretty sure supersoft confirmed town or he knew VE was around to kill Skanjab. So let's say supersoft close to confirmed town. Good point, agreed. I'm gonna meta the fuck out of marv right now because I believe at least one of the supervets has to be scum. Marv is known for balancing his setups and doesn't believe in RNG. Therefore I find it likely that given ss is pretty town, it has to be between VE/the Cobbler/Mig. This is another reason why I'd like to see the Cobbler hang. Also because I like saying the Cobbler, and this gives me plenty of opportunities for that.
So still reading to catch up but this post is incredibly bad artanis. Like really bad. I use actual meta using detailed and documented play from mocsta to get a read on things. Its why grack could still be red given how mocsta's scumplay is. HOWEVER
You then are trying to say "lets off bc" because of a host? Rather than attempting to build a real case, prove im scum, etc... You are going on the "one of the supervets needs to be scum cause marv wouldn't do that"
Surprisingly I can honestly say quite easily that marv is as likely to make every member of a mafia team a supervet to be a dick as much as he is to make the entire team trolls for the same reason. Theory crafting a host decision is always a bad idea as no one knows how a host balances a game.
Also rayn, Yamato didn't want to kill me for ages. As much as I appreciate you may dislike my return to the thread, please keep your facts more or less current. Using someones words from ages before they changed them is cherry picking peoples opinions to manipulate facts to push your own agenda. Given that Yamato changed his position completely I'm surprised that you instead didn't try to say "well storr wanted him dead"
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On November 19 2013 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Don't worry BC you are not getting lynched today and i am planning on outing a fuckton of scum today.
Any scumreads you have besides Grackaroni`?
Im still curious to know why your ending point on me was an indirect lie btw.
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On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie?
Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1.
Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game.
Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.
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Why are you attempting to blue hunt rayn?
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