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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2013 03:18 GMT
#7101
Coag, what do you think of the fact I changed my read on you
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2013 03:19 GMT
#7102
Another thing; a lot of scum teams don't make sense due to bussing.

But Oats helps solve that because he loves to bus.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2013 03:24 GMT
#7103
Slam the last person who ignored me turned out to be scum
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 30 2013 03:25 GMT
#7104
On November 30 2013 10:53 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2013 10:37 Pandain wrote:
Lonemeow is basically a shot in the dark, why would you lynch him.

I don't get your points on him


Did not realize this was a genuine question and not a poo-pooh.

That is the point, first scum team I was ever on, one guy outright told me "I just lurk hard as scum. That way everyone is just like 'well he is a shot in the dark' and go lynch scummier townies. Doesn't always work."

Translation: your question is WIFOM
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2013 03:27 GMT
#7105
Do you actually think Oats is scum or do you think I'm town.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 30 2013 03:28 GMT
#7106
##vote Onegu
I dont see how people have a problem voting here. Stop waffling and put your money where your mouth is.
No gg, No skill.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 30 2013 03:28 GMT
#7107
On November 30 2013 12:24 Pandain wrote:
Slam the last person who ignored me turned out to be scum

See

Look Coag what do you want me to do, this is not pro town at all. Everything I do sets me up for lylo. I swear ince you are scummy you are scummy, that's it, over, done. It a sliding scale with barbs.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2013 03:31 GMT
#7108
Oats why do you think Onegu is scum
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 30 2013 03:32 GMT
#7109
On November 30 2013 12:27 Pandain wrote:
Do you actually think Oats is scum or do you think I'm town.

Neither, actually, everyone is null.

This is WIFOM. You could be totally setting up oats current mislynch and my lylo lynch in one fell swoop. You could be town and genuinely suspicious of oats. There are so many things, I do not know what is up. I thought cheese post BPOG, and when things go as he predicts bam- he is scum for it.

Yet everyone else is scum for being wrong.

I do not think on the same wavelength as others (well most others), even trolling gone.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2013 03:32 GMT
#7110
Did you not read my case?

You have no opinion on me?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2013 03:37 GMT
#7111
Coag, does Slam usually play this confused
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 30 2013 03:37 GMT
#7112
Everyone cannot be null. If you read a page of this game, by the end of it a year would have passed, assuming we're even semi-active.

Someone has to have done Things. Scummy Things™. There are less people than before, less possible people doing Scummy Things™.

To assume that mafia is "setting up mislynches" implies that they have control of town. I don't currently think they do. Therefore, they're looking for mislynches, but having a hard time setting them up. We just stop mislynches, make good lynches. I currently don't want to lynch oats, but will reread him. I don't THINK I want to lynch Onegu either. Right now would prefer Cheese or possibly Vayne. I am full of 2 days of continuous food, but that's where my mind is at right now, and I'll post more substantively in the morning EST.
Fe fi fo fum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2013 03:42 GMT
#7113
I think Vayne is pretty town, or at least shouldn't be lynched. It makes sense for their to be a mad hatter, would be awful to not have one. It's possible but less likely.

Even less likely is Vayne risking that and claiming MH, and breadcrumbing it from day one. That shows clear intent from day one. Scum don't think that far ahead
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 30 2013 03:44 GMT
#7114
^ which is exactly why I did it, because i am terrible at town. only way to avoid getting lynched
I come in for the scraps
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2013 03:46 GMT
#7115
Here's my log with BC btw
+ Show Spoiler +

Pandain
11-20-2013
07:27 PM ET (US)
Bye love you
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Pandain
11-19-2013
05:34 PM ET (US)
I didn't know this.

I specifically asked if I was town to you and you ignored it. When you avoided the issue I found it suspicious.

But I think you're town anyway so I'm going to continue analyzing other people
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
05:32 PM ET (US)
You'll find that when I am told by someone I trust that hes telling someone they should mason me that theres reason for it. I took that reason as trust and given that I had my own town read on you why wouldnt I share?

Seriously, I shouldn't have to explain town reads.
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Pandain
11-19-2013
05:27 PM ET (US)
SS was actually suspicious of me up until we left being mason partners, there's no way I would know that he now thinks I'm town.

I wasn't worried about you claiming in thread, just you claiming to me when I didn't know you had reasons for thinking I was town since you never explained them.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
05:25 PM ET (US)
I told you for this.

I know you were masoned to him day 1, so was I.

I figured you'd like to know that hey, I have a huge town read on SS, he has town read on you. Ill be upfront with you and trust a guy I think is town.

Why did I not want to claim actively in thread? BECAUSE RAYN WAS FUCKING FISHING. His entire theory was centered on bh being a mason who masoned a specific player. My issue with actively claiming is fucking outing two blues for no fucking reason. The fact I think your town means hey, maybe I should share info with you in the offchance i you know, die?
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Pandain
11-19-2013
04:08 PM ET (US)
Also I think after seeing Rayn the best way to play as mafia is to spam so fucking much no one wants to analyze you
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Pandain
11-18-2013
11:42 PM ET (US)
I mean you did and you told me who you want to mason
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
10:27 PM ET (US)
I didn't actively claim mason to you tbh.

Its a subtle claim I used on ve because VE is one of now 3 people who know I masoned him yesterday.(provided SS didn't tell you yesterday)

I have told ss I think mig is unlikely to be mafia for those reasons yes. I also don't remember a game where scum kept those kind of notes. However in the days I played super actively there were very few people who kept notes in general on a google doc that anyone could access.
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Pandain
11-18-2013
10:12 PM ET (US)
With ss*
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Pandain
11-18-2013
10:11 PM ET (US)
This is also besides but did you share the mig notes with mig. I'm also wondering if you've ever played a game where scum kept notes like that, mig is a busy man he doesn't have time to pull shenanigans like that
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Pandain
11-18-2013
10:10 PM ET (US)
Like you revealing your a mason is so weird to me considering I was probably pretty suspicious day one trying to save Mocsta.

I don't know why you would post it here for me to see
22
Pandain
11-18-2013
09:56 PM ET (US)
Did you think I was town before this because I'm interested why you would claim mason to me when you berated Rayn for trying to find out masons
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
09:51 PM ET (US)
I think hes like me and just gets way to heated way to fast and gets lost in things -_-

I need to step back and look at this shit with a fresh perspective so Ima lay off grack for now and attempt to look elsewhere.

Hopeless still looks like trash though.
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Pandain
11-18-2013
08:33 PM ET (US)
It's prob a combination of him being right plus him being a dick
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Pandain
11-18-2013
04:20 PM ET (US)
also rayn pisses me off every time he posts I'm going to just ignore him now
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Pandain
11-18-2013
03:38 PM ET (US)
Do you think I'm town
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
12:23 PM ET (US)
I don't know what to make of this entire bit going on right now with rayn and oats.

Both are doing things that make me think "town all the way" but both are also doing things that just seems so fucking scummy
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Pandain
11-18-2013
12:04 AM ET (US)
oh sorry meant not going to do a real analysis until tomorrow
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Pandain
11-18-2013
12:00 AM ET (US)
I haven't yet analyzed Oats, not going to do a real analysis(don't think I've been playing like I should, I only do quick glimpses and have too much confirmation bias.)

But I'm noting now that his response to being accused strikes me as very town. Quickly dismisses SS almost comicly and then moves onto other things. Not a long response to the post, but instead a townie response like a "Lol"
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
11:24 PM ET (US)
scratch the bit on his analysis promising totally misread one of his posts -_-

I still think he looks bad but he didn't promise anything.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
11:22 PM ET (US)
given how little time hes had in the game hes doing really well establishing himself.

I really really really don't like hopeless1nder

He comes back after 2 full days of absence and promised to read up and post an analysis on holyflare and not only is he not really contributing anything on return, or before he left, but he had 2 days to fucking write something on a player and he hasn't released it. More than enough time to read up and post thoughts by now.
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Pandain
11-17-2013
11:03 PM ET (US)
I think Thrawn is town so far he's pushing people for his reads, questioning, and overall seems unafraid
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
10:52 PM ET (US)
im currently filter diving mocstas scum games to see how he interacts with his teammates. Hoping to find some gem in there that will sort out his filter a bit.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
10:50 PM ET (US)
yeah. This actually could clear him. I know that SS was somewhat suspect of him but I think this essentially clears him. The only minute chance I think would be him as an assassin but given that the notes are public very unlikely
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Pandain
11-17-2013
10:50 PM ET (US)
I think I have a problem though with trying to find "one" piece of evidnece that helps an alignment guess. I need to be more comprehensive, but this is definitely a plus for Mig.

Although he's not active as of today, I misread it.
I like his notes format though, I'm going to copy it for future games.
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Pandain
11-17-2013
10:44 PM ET (US)
Yeah there's no reason to think MIG is anything but town in my eyes; his inactivity is supplemneted by his obvious activity (even doing meta research and then updating) them in his notes

Fact that only I probably knew it was a google drive and thus would be updated and visible to us supplements the idea that he's town.
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Pandain
11-17-2013
10:42 PM ET (US)
so I think it's intersting because he's clearly putting in a ton of effort when it wouldn't be recognized. If he was scum, he wouldn't need to do notes unless he wants to seem town and talk about them; problem is he did talk about them originaly (made me suspicious) but didn't later.

Idk i think mig is town, lurking, waiting until he's confident. I played with him before and only thing is he was more active there, but I think he's just biding his time now
6
Pandain
11-17-2013
10:40 PM ET (US)
actually that note thing is super intense
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Pandain
11-17-2013
10:40 PM ET (US)
I think mig is town because he's still updating his notes.
https://docs.google.com/a/udel.edu/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing#gid=0
You can actually see them here

He's lurking though because it's updated up to this cycle, so I don't know what that means
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
10:32 PM ET (US)
been waiting for 30 minutes for a host to set it up, but Ill be having supersoft as my mason for the day.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
10:03 PM ET (US)
good day sir pandaman
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Pandain
11-17-2013
08:10 PM ET (US)
hi
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
07:59 PM ET (US)
Pandain + BloodyC0bbler Day 2/Night 2

Helps point that Hopeless might be town, though not certain. Though I had a town read on Hopeless anyway.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 30 2013 03:48 GMT
#7116
On November 30 2013 12:37 Pandain wrote:
Coag, does Slam usually play this confused

Not always.

I am just confused right now, I am surprised at the swing of town. I am calling too many single voices town.

If I suddenly wanted to start pushing VA hard, I could suddenly make "town consensus" him being scum for a while, by quoting his filter out of context and skewing it scummy. So why wouldn't scum just do that? So I don't trust town consensus wholly. Yet, people make points I admire; and I find my opinion changing based on theirs, or, to be more correct, what I perceive to be their view, assuming them to be town .

Then I remember my first point, and I am struck with a dichotomy. It doesn't add up. So I get lost in trying to think about why I trust someone, and go try and find out.

Then I return.
The rapid speed of the thread's increase earlier, by the way, royally destroyed this process.

I decided the source must be scum and yadda yadda, that is old hat.

Right now, I am left with two lurkers maybe three (HF is similarly difficult to see) and a bunch of null/town reads, to be exact. However, I denegrate any read I make because I am aware of a constant bias toward "you" being town.

Continuing later I g2g
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 30 2013 04:08 GMT
#7117
On November 30 2013 12:48 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2013 12:37 Pandain wrote:
Coag, does Slam usually play this confused

Not always.

I am just confused right now, I am surprised at the swing of town. I am calling too many single voices town.

If I suddenly wanted to start pushing VA hard, I could suddenly make "town consensus" him being scum for a while, by quoting his filter out of context and skewing it scummy. So why wouldn't scum just do that? So I don't trust town consensus wholly. Yet, people make points I admire; and I find my opinion changing based on theirs, or, to be more correct, what I perceive to be their view, assuming them to be town .

Then I remember my first point, and I am struck with a dichotomy. It doesn't add up. So I get lost in trying to think about why I trust someone, and go try and find out.

Then I return.
The rapid speed of the thread's increase earlier, by the way, royally destroyed this process.

I decided the source must be scum and yadda yadda, that is old hat.

Right now, I am left with two lurkers maybe three (HF is similarly difficult to see) and a bunch of null/town reads, to be exact. However, I denegrate any read I make because I am aware of a constant bias toward "you" being town.

Continuing later I g2g


So confronted with my own lack of skill, and the possible situation arising, and the fact that when I filter dived a town read deeply (I don't usually post-by-post) they suddenly came back scum until TOWNTELL.

Then, I deep-filtered a scum read I happened to share with you (unaware of that fact) and quickly came back with town tell kinda strong.

So it was a big shmack in my face for trying to determine alignments out of context, and it got overwhelming and I went to sleep and forgot some stuff. Especially because chrono trigger first play through. Don't play mafia at the same time as that game. It's amazingly good.

However do watch Star Trek, the original series, that stuff is moto.

Back on topic: so derive what you will. I also do best under orders. I will not always obey them.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2013 05:01 GMT
#7118
On November 30 2013 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
##vote Onegu
I dont see how people have a problem voting here. Stop waffling and put your money where your mouth is.


Your "read" on onegu is pretty bullshit. Never even mentioned him before last cycle; what happened to your forever top read Coag? I'd like to hear why you think onegu is scum
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2013 05:07 GMT
#7119
I'm also willin to lynch cc
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 30 2013 05:35 GMT
#7120
On November 30 2013 08:26 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2013 06:17 Onegu wrote:
Yeah HF coag is town really. Look closer.



This guy, really? He's telling me to look closer at a guy I already made an in depth case on?? Not only that but he calls me a scum read and has pushed my lynch all game but is trying to show to me that a guy is town. This attitude does not make sense from any town player.

He doesn't read at all and is incredibly inconsistent. Posts a case and then disappears every time, no discussion with people really ever.



Your case is based on BC connections, which dont matter much as scum can give whatever reads they want to who ever they want. Coag thinking BC is town, I did also (I am town)

Then because coag didnt mention things like risen, yeah he was talking about doing a vote switch onto risen be cause risen was close to rayn in votes, not because he has a scum read on him.

Amd on the thrwan thing look at the ammount of time in between posts, he can change his reads when over 24 hours had passed and austin came out with his thrawn case.
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