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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 21 2013 21:56 GMT
#4961
I like those 4 names.
I had a good night of sleep.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 21 2013 22:00 GMT
#4962
On November 22 2013 06:48 Pandain wrote:
Vote: Raynepelikeoneet

Good case, 5/5
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 21 2013 22:07 GMT
#4963
On November 22 2013 06:56 Koshi wrote:
I like those 4 names.


hmm yes. I am pretty confident about Oats and Risen.

Thrawn needs a second look, but looks extremely suspicious just based on the thread and a quick filtering. I really need to dive into my PMs and in our former games. I have a few notices about thrawn in my past i will get to use now :D

My Coag read is purely based on his meta, since his Filter is completely empty. He's useless and as scum he's always useless. As town he's has his moments.

"TL Mafia LXIII: Time to scroll..."

this guys is actually pretty funny. beside that his filter is pretty empty.
could be blue or scum.

scumgame:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...oagulation&view=all

towngame:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...oagulation&view=all

some larger posts in the towngame unlike our current game.
Meta suggests scum.
content is nonexistant.


BC needs a really, really close look now. I didnt have the time for him. To figure him out is a project. I wouldnt kill him right now. Based on gamebalance he should be scum, since I and Mig are town.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 21 2013 22:15 GMT
#4964
BC wrote in my mason QT:

On November 17 2013 05:08 BC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 05:08 supersoft wrote:
On November 17 2013 04:56 Pandain wrote:
Supersoft since you wont answer in mason chat, who do you want to lynch first


Someone from this group probably:

Grack, coagulation, Hopeless1der, Storr, hiro protagonist, Risen, OOHCHILD (mostly because of his terrible reasoning for not voting BC/me) tbh: you're still a candidate even though you vote for me.
mig might be a target, i mean he's a strong townread, but usually I don't like to kill vets day1.

it's a huge group right now, but i hadn't had the time to separate bad townies from scum.
If I reread the whole thread, the list might change a lot.

But i'll write some cases up in the next couple of hours and I want to disuss this especially with BC.



Of that post I still strongly suggest grack or storr. I know i've more or less sank my teeth into them and won't let go but since gracks reappearance from what ive seen in the last few hours hes done nothing to really prove hes town aligned. He could be an assassin, or mafia but no way in hell is he town. Storr as much as I suspect has given me enough to not want him dead currently but it all comes down to his reappearance.

kush is kush. I like offing him purely on principle but I don't think hes particularly bad so far this game. I can see his hesitance for voting for me purely on previous games together.

Hiro, coag and hopeless are all lurkers. They are all safe lynches. They may flip red they might not, but they are safe in the sense they aren't contributing much and what they have hasnt been particularly useful or good. Risen I am currently unsure of. Hes had both good and bad posts.


_____________________________________________________________________________

these are a lot of IFs, but if my list is correct about 3/4, he defends scum and if my townread on Grack is correct, he proposes a townlynch.
lot of ifs but still


_____________________________________________________________________________


earlier:
On November 17 2013 05:08 BC wrote:
I really really really don't like onegu atm.

He didn't make a good impact upon entering the thread and imo concentrated on all the wrong things.

as a note VE's strongest reads atm (mirrorish my own)

Grack, storr, rayn risen.


On November 17 2013 05:08 BC wrote:
risens vote confuses me to be sure, but ill take it.

+ Show Spoiler +
I kinda like that idea. Its kinda a good way to gauge someone that id never thought of


supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 21 2013 22:22 GMT
#4965
Just to come clean. I have not only scumreads okay... black is either not recently filtered/checked out or actually 0

supersoft
Mig
Koshi
Grackaroni
VayneAuthority
raynpelikoneet
Alakaslam
Mr. Cheesecake
LoneMeow
Holyflare
Onegu
austinmcc
Hopeless1der
Pandain
BloodyC0bbler
Coagulation
Risen
hiro protagonist thrawn2112
Oatsmaster
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 21 2013 22:23 GMT
#4966
Agree with most of those greens apart from slam, why town on him?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
November 21 2013 22:24 GMT
#4967
I also want to know who you rb'd the following days after oats, if you thought oats was delivering the nk why didn't you block him over and over again??
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 21 2013 22:25 GMT
#4968
what do you guys think about pandian dropping off the face of the earth ?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
November 21 2013 22:25 GMT
#4969
On November 22 2013 07:25 Coagulation wrote:
what do you guys think about pandian dropping off the face of the earth ?

i'll have to reconsider, he masoned me after I called out his rayn vote.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 21 2013 22:26 GMT
#4970
only other game ive played with him where he did that was golden sun and he was town there. not that alignment indicative really.
I come in for the scraps
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 21 2013 22:27 GMT
#4971
On November 22 2013 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
I also want to know who you rb'd the following days after oats, if you thought oats was delivering the nk why didn't you block him over and over again??


they can decide who delivers the kill and i blocked Mattchew like i claimed.

And i confused Austinmcc with Slam, sorry. Their places need to be switched. I made the list in here and didn't copy paste it from elsewhere.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 21 2013 22:27 GMT
#4972
On November 22 2013 07:25 Coagulation wrote:
what do you guys think about pandian dropping off the face of the earth ?
He's not the only one, a bunch of people have been fully mia for the first bit of today. LM and thrawn are both there as well.

And artanis. I ain't seen ANY ghostly WOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOO posts.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 21 2013 22:30 GMT
#4973
Who here is active and thinks BC is town?

I want to maek chat.
Fe fi fo fum.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 21 2013 22:31 GMT
#4974
On November 22 2013 07:30 austinmcc wrote:
Who here is active and thinks BC is town?

I want to maek chat.


i am at least unsure. does that count? what is a maek chat...
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 21 2013 22:32 GMT
#4975
On November 22 2013 07:31 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 07:30 austinmcc wrote:
Who here is active and thinks BC is town?

I want to maek chat.


i am at least unsure. does that count? what is a maek chat...
maek = make. Sorry. Stupid accents don't come out well in text.

You are mainly unsure about BC because of your D1 mason chat, yes?
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 21 2013 22:36 GMT
#4976
Nonono you gotta go fast. You're unsure because you think that BC should not be mafia, otherwise you should have been RBed N1 if oats is mafia, and oats should be mafia because we're missing a KP?

Do you like BC otherwise? I don't need mega stuff, just easy banter here, I need to run through something
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 21 2013 22:37 GMT
#4977
EBWOP: You should have been RBed or oats should not have delivered a kill.
Fe fi fo fum.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 21 2013 22:40 GMT
#4978
On November 22 2013 07:32 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 07:31 supersoft wrote:
On November 22 2013 07:30 austinmcc wrote:
Who here is active and thinks BC is town?

I want to maek chat.


i am at least unsure. does that count? what is a maek chat...
maek = make. Sorry. Stupid accents don't come out well in text.

You are mainly unsure about BC because of your D1 mason chat, yes?


not only this. I have a history with BC and I always think he's scum. And well, i can understand most things he's saying, even if i disagree with him. I don't understand many things other players do, like Risen. Risen plays completely absurd in my eyes. Oatsmaster, too. I just don't buy it.
Hell yes BC had this moments when I thought, was that really honest:

VE, Oats, and SS are all town currently in my books and anyone harassing them for anything other than their aggression needs their head examined.


However he follows that up nicely. Rules out Oats, has thrawn as scum, well:

On November 17 2013 07:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
read time

Grackeroni

I have already harped on this guy. nothing has changed, at all. He hasn't posted anything groundbreaking, he hasn't attempted to really help the town in any way. Given that he has shown no compulsion to help even after being called out, I see no reason to think hes town.

Storrzerg
My read here has altered slightly in that I still think hes red, but he could end up being town. I am moving him to a null read given that if he keeps posting like he has been I am willing to say my initial read was wrong

Hiro
He has 0 content to his posts, insanely inactive, and i know hes capable of doing more than he is. Its possible hes just busy, but ive seen the guy lurk as red before and skate by on minimum posting standards as such I am keeping him to red until he proves otherwise

Blazinghand

The guy is fucking retarded. He is inactive for 24 hours, busts out with a shitty campaign post spouting horseshit, says hes gonna catch up and post then proceeds to have spotty play. He doesn't post any reads, he still defends bad play, he even then when called on it and sees his name up for a possible lynch claims tracker with the worst possible bread crumb in the world. He has done nothing useful whatsoever. I expect far more out of him than what he has given.


I do think at this point barring weird fucking circumstances i can confidently say

Supersoft, VE are town, yamato and artanis i have strong leanings on being town.


I do buy this post:

On November 20 2013 07:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Jesus fucking christ. I come home from work, after attempting to clear myself of tunnel vision and instead of finding a thread filled with happy bunnies and butterfly style of posting I get retardation at its finest. Seriously. What the fuck happened in the last few years that made people who trolled, actively played against win cons, etc... that this is considered town play and also acceptable play? Jesus.

Mattchew has done fucking nothing all game but spout bullshit and vanish into the mists. Is he being discussed for it no? Why the fuck would you, people who've been playing the game for years are allowed to do retarded shit and be ignored.

Holyflare has also done nothing fucking all game. He is harrassed for ages about not doing shit all then makes a giant post on 3 people under huge suspicion. He then goes to vote for one who apparently wasn't his top scum pick. He actively says so. Since when is lurking, only posting when pushes/analyzed, posting analysis on 3 top targets of the day, and then NOT VOTING FOR HIS TOP SCUM READ FUCKING TOWN PLAY.

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 05:50 Holyflare wrote:
Switch to BC then. This lynch is way too easy. Would scum really bus their team mate when alternatively people are considering BC or pandain or austincc scum? If 2 die scum kp goes to 1. I don't think they would risk that therefore it is pretty unlikely BH is actually scum or we are incredibly wrong about these reads.


That fucking logic? A guy is caught in thread, LYING ACTIVELY, trolls for days, actively doesn't help and rather than realize that scum would go "fuck this guy". BH is a Vet player. If he was town he'd have at least done something. Dropped analysis, dropped a bombshell of something to try and save himself. Is he doing that? No he gave up. But don't worry. Scum would actively not bus a teammate who got caught out completely in thread just to spare themselves 1 kp. Dont worry guys, Holyfaggot has figured the game out!

Dear fucking god people.

Hopeless1nder. Why has no one really talked about him? The guy fucking does what? Nothing? Ever? Wanders into the thread, a wild hopeless1nder appears. He uses dickall and peace. Its apparently super effective. Why? Because hes being ignored completely, not posting shit all, and skating by for it. However its not like I can blame you fucks for it because we have people who are allowed to troll/spam/be utterly useless pieces of trash cluttering the thread.

Grackerfuckingroni. You know what. Im not going to bother to make a case on this fucker. Hes scum. If any of you can name 5 fucking things hes done all game that have helped this town then Ill change that view. Seriously. Find me 5 points where he helps. The guy since being "confirmed town" has done absolutely dick fuck to help anyone. He has actively said hes not going to stop trolling ie hes going to continue being an unhelpful piece of trash. Hey though, TL towns know that being a town member is about being retardedly bad so its ok!

Pandain. Go fuck yourself. You are actively viewing me as scum for the most bullshit logic I've ever heard. If you don't realize the reasons you were told what you were was specifically because of my read of you then your fucking stupid. Seriously.

Alakslam doesnt contribute really anything. He doesn't justify his current vote at all, hell his vote swap went completely unnoticed. Hey its ok tho, the guy doesn't do shit all game but hug peoples coattails anyway. Im glad this shit is acceptable because thats how you get solid reads on people right? Let them not do shit at all and be ignored. Yep, good glad im learning something.

How about Risen? Whats he done lately other than to appear and jump onto a bandwagon, what did he do at all actually? Nothing, got yea. Im glad to see this shit is fine.

The only players in this game not playing like complete garbage are SS, Rayn, arguably VE and maybe artanis.

There are a few trying at least to not play like garbage. Myself in that list. However given the entire clusterfuck of this thread and how retarded virtually everyone is being, the entire scum team is likely on that list of people I just mentioned. You know why? Because town is so bloody unorganized and we currently have people trying to swap people OFF OF A CONFIRMED LIAR WHOS DONE NOTHING BEFORE OR SINCE TO A) JUSTIFY HIS REASONS FOR IT OR B) ATTEMPTING TO PROVE HIMSELF NOW.

Seriously? What motivation is there for any player to take someone they have 100% certainty is fucking scum, and goes "lets lynch someone else"

Jesus, i know ive played like ass this game, but the level of retardation going on is just fucking ridiculous.


little contradiction in my eyes, Rayn killed the thread, and BC calls him playing decent. well

All in all. ahhhh i need to read more and i need to read back into our former games.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
November 21 2013 22:41 GMT
#4979
On November 22 2013 07:37 austinmcc wrote:
EBWOP: You should have been RBed or oats should not have delivered a kill.


yes exactly! that's why i think BC is either town, or they have no RBer!
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 21 2013 22:49 GMT
#4980
Yeah he's on thrawn but only for Hiro's play, which was to do nothing but get replaced, so we can assume he wasn't not posting on purpose.

Really, for me, I can understand your thoughts on N1 (if you're town). We DO have a missing KP. You have one way of explaining it that town as a whole didn't know about. You have reason to think that if oats is responsible for the KP, BC is town.

But we also have Artanis and OOH getting shot last night, both scummy on BC (and LoneMeow). And Artanis went through the trouble of TRYING to draw a RB by claiming he was gonna shoot BC. It's POSSIBLE that scum decide they want to roleblock Artanis, keep him from shooting townBC, so that they can hopefully lynch townBC today. But...HOLY HELL WHY!? I know that's possible, but scum RBed a town vigi using a bullet on a townie in that scenario.

Scum have 5 players. BC maybe has a role, maybe has good arguments, maybe can DO something. Heck, if nothing else if BC has good scumreads, why doesn't scum let him get shot last night? Even if they want him around for a mislynch, that's 48 hours of active BC, and active BC giving reads because he's going to die.

If i'm scum, I don't want that. I don't leave a guy up, even if he's had a bad game at the start, because he MIGHT screw me over. 48 hours is a long time for someone who can play well when they try. Why am I wasting a scum power, the roleblock, on a townie when, if I let their shot go through, IT KILLS A TOWNIE THAT I DON'T WANT ALIVE.

This is the bit that really, really gets at me. The people that died last night were both scummy on BC. Artanis got blocked, because I didn't take a hit. And he said he was aiming at BC. I don't think that scum go and RB artanis if BC is town, because that's a free kill they're passing up for uncertainty today.


So...what are your thoughts on Artanis getting RBed? You are relatively sure that your RB is relevant to alignments, making oats mafia and BC probably town. But the RB on Artanis last night is ALSO somewhat telling, imo. There's a WIFOMy explanation, sure, but it requires: (1) scum using a power to stop a townie from shooting a townie (as far as they knew); and (2) scum wanting to keep BC alive for 48 more hours. I don't like those
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