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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9855 Posts
November 21 2013 19:01 GMT
#4881
On November 22 2013 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Koshi you have 12 scumreads?

You know he would never attack you at that time as scum. He would be too afraid of you.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 19:04 GMT
#4882
On November 22 2013 04:00 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Koshi you have 12 scumreads?

Could you give your list

towny town:
leaning town:
leaning scum:
scummy scum:


Could you give your list

towny town: Grackaroni, Vayne, Mig, Holyflare
leaning town: Hopeless, Oats, Onegu, Coag, austin, Mr.CC, Slamdunk
leaning scum: Pandain, supersoft, Risen
scummy scum: Cobbler, LM

No idea: Koshi, thrawn

I know one of my "leaning scum on" list dudes is probably worng because it does not make sense otherwise.
table for two on a tv tray
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9855 Posts
November 21 2013 19:06 GMT
#4883
On November 22 2013 04:00 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 22 2013 03:33 Mig wrote:
Grack do you still think Oats is town? What do you think about him posting yea BC is scummy, I would be fine lynching BC then deciding that SS is more scummy and voting him?


oh god I have absolutely no clue what he is doing lol. He gave no reason for his vote change. If you ask him about it he will just tell you that not giving reasons for votes is a townie trait.

I think it fits his town meta more to be honest.


Why. Give me examples. Explain this to me! How does this whole game of Oats fit anyones townmeta.
He is only destructive. contradicts himself, votes badly. Please tell me

Rayn could probably explain it better than I can. If you look at White Flag he actually tries to look contributive and gives reasons for what he does. Town Oats switches reads randomly and ends up looking really scummy. Town Oats can have terrible reads. In Golden Sun he yelled that the scum team was Vayne/Pandain as town even after the parity cop had already flipped making that combination impossible.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 21 2013 19:11 GMT
#4884
I am rereading some stuff and gonna be thinking, but I'm around.

Personal opinion is that today we have some MAJOR warring factions, and the first order of business is to clean some of that out. Like, supersoft/BC and some other stuff all connected, and we start at the top of that and unravel as we go.

Personal opinion is that we don't lynch townies to make things blow up.

Personal opinion is that hopeless actually looks semi-good, because while he IS doing something similar to BC's Fuckapalooza 2013, hopeless is RIGHT in that all this speculation is clogging up the thread and is...just speculation. Now is not the time. We look at play. We look at reads of the folks who have been NKed. We look at play this game compared to others. But we don't KNOW how many blue roles/KP/vets are what, and it's .... less helpful to discuss about that so much instead of actually zeroing in on who has played scummy regardless of everything else. His outbursts, aimed at saying that, lead towards a townier thread. BC calling everyone idiots did not. Their rage posts may look similar, but they go different directions.



For me, the major candidates are BC, supersoft, LM. Secondary options are stuff like oats, grack, whatever. I want to look through this some more though, to make sure I'm not just entirely wrong here, and to really poke around and make sure that urrbody who looks opposite each other IS.


Whoever asked about the main case on LM, I don't believe there is one. I know I have a couple posts scattered throughout my filter, and others do as well. Maybe some enterprising youngster can slap em together.

Fe fi fo fum.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
November 21 2013 19:16 GMT
#4885
Risen can you explain why you want to policy lynch Grack for lying but you weren't interest in policy lynching BH who was a confirmed liar?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 19:17 GMT
#4886
There is a very good case on Lonemeow presented by me. It's the best case in thread.
Also Grackaroni's comments on Oats are 100% true.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 21 2013 19:17 GMT
#4887
On November 22 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 04:00 Koshi wrote:
On November 22 2013 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Koshi you have 12 scumreads?

Could you give your list

towny town:
leaning town:
leaning scum:
scummy scum:


Could you give your list

towny town: Grackaroni, Vayne, Mig, Holyflare
leaning town: Hopeless, Oats, Onegu, Coag, austin, Mr.CC, Slamdunk
leaning scum: Pandain, supersoft, Risen
scummy scum: Cobbler, LM

No idea: Koshi, thrawn

I know one of my "leaning scum on" list dudes is probably worng because it does not make sense otherwise.

It would be cool if those 7 names are the only ones that could be scum. I can't possible lean town on people like Onegu/CC/Oats/Alakaslam. And funny enough that's like our only difference. But you give me crap for my 11 names... I truly hope that nobody from Onegu/CC/Oats/Alakaslam flips red, otherwise you are being a giant bitch.
I had a good night of sleep.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9855 Posts
November 21 2013 19:18 GMT
#4888
Austin what was the reason for the change of mind on Thrawn?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 21 2013 19:19 GMT
#4889
Ah no. I got 12 names even. Meh. point still stands. Those people you lean town on are far from certain town.
I had a good night of sleep.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 21 2013 19:23 GMT
#4890
slam could be scum from that list, others I lean town on. Reminds me of nuclear where he just says random shit until he's finally dead.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
November 21 2013 19:23 GMT
#4891
if we are policy lynching anyone, he gets my vote
I come in for the scraps
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 21 2013 19:25 GMT
#4892
On November 22 2013 04:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
if we are policy lynching anyone, he gets my vote

Mine would go to Onegu. Made 4 posts in last 72 hours. Decided to play other game. Only thing he did here was run for Mayor and say rayn = town and Holyflare = scum.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 19:25 GMT
#4893
On November 22 2013 04:19 Koshi wrote:
Ah no. I got 12 names even. Meh. point still stands. Those people you lean town on are far from certain town.

That's why it's leaning town on. Or what does in your opinion "leaning town on" mean? If someone of those is scum it's probably Onegu.
table for two on a tv tray
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 21 2013 19:26 GMT
#4894
If nothing else, look at LM's D2 questions/reads/whatever. D2 starts partway down p2 of his filter: here


He asks Onegu about rayn, oats, and pandain. He pokes at slam a little. He asks pandain whether pandain's read on Mig has changed, halfway follows up on that Q with another about Mig. Asks Risen why Risen wants to lynch Pandain, why is Pandain scum?

Then, within like 2-3 hours of the pandain questions about mig and the risen question, his top reads are BH/HF/pandain.

I don't like the progression for a number of reasons:
  • He asks onegu about 2 people that he does not seem to care about AT ALL, nor does he appear to care much about onegu
  • He appears concerned with Risen wanting to lynch pandain, yet pandain is one of his top reads (I know anyone can make up explanations here, but there's such a lack of thought process in the thread following these that it catches the eye)


Later on, when asked for reads by kush, LM's top reads are pandain/mig/myself. Which would be GREAT is that was continuous, if he finds mig scummy and thinks pandain's flip floppy read on mig at some point didn't make sense, BOOM, there's a dude putting pieces together.

Instead it reads like a mishmash of reads, and questions that don't go anywhere. You can also see him respond to posts that are 40 minutes, an hour old, indicating that he's reading the game and following along. But his play is severely limited to mainly answering questions, and apart from a few proactive questions on D2 there's no proactivity. Those proactive questions are also the ones that sort of petered out (Asking onegu about people that were never followed up on).


Again, I really want to talk with him and see what he is thinking and maybe have him take some stances on some of the BC/supersoft/oats nonsense.
Fe fi fo fum.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 21 2013 19:26 GMT
#4895
Okay Koshi got a townread right there rofl <3
table for two on a tv tray
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 21 2013 19:26 GMT
#4896
On November 22 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Austin what was the reason for the change of mind on Thrawn?
What change of mind?
Fe fi fo fum.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 21 2013 19:29 GMT
#4897
austin whats your read on me?

Why are you even listening to grack anymore?
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 21 2013 19:30 GMT
#4898
why is anyone listening to grack ever for that matter?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9855 Posts
November 21 2013 19:30 GMT
#4899
On November 22 2013 04:26 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Austin what was the reason for the change of mind on Thrawn?
What change of mind?

maybe I'm misreading your filter? Most of your posts are about why Thrawn is red and then you say nvm about Thrawn and he disappears from your lynch list.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
November 21 2013 19:31 GMT
#4900
On November 22 2013 04:30 Coagulation wrote:
why is anyone listening to grack ever for that matter?

Believe it or not but the guy that fakeclaimed mason to make some1 look bad is probably town.
I had a good night of sleep.
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