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On December 02 2013 09:09 austinmcc wrote: He didn't give ANY reasoning for thrawn being mafia before the switch. And his switch is because of a BC post, not at all because of anything that thrawn said. He gave more reasoning for Thrawn being mafia then he did for Risen. | ||
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On December 02 2013 09:14 austinmcc wrote: I disagree with this. What reasoning does he give for thrawn? There isn't a lot but he doesn't give any reasoning at all on RIsen lol. On November 26 2013 02:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Thrawn calls grack scum, and risen town. Why the fuck isn't he trying at all to disband this lynch? He knows he's next in line, too. On November 26 2013 05:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Anyone still accusing grack of being scum is mafia btw. On November 26 2013 05:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I thought his post entering into today was terrible. The BC stuff in his filter, I looked at it briefly but not intently, didn't seem like anything substantial that isn't out of the realm of normal scum interaction / bussing. I'm actually more curious what Mocsta said about thrawn, if anything. Brb filter On November 26 2013 05:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I feel like BC soft pushes the Thrawn slot for almost no reason. "He lurks, maybe scum" but always wants to lynch 2-3 people more than him. | ||
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On December 02 2013 10:30 VayneAuthority wrote: Also grack should be scrutinized for today. Did absolutely nothing then comes back and writes an oats case, which is exactly what I remember of him from when we played scum together. Time to stop just lynching lurkers and look at the actual game here. lol I was afk for days and I did more than you. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + 116 Pandain 11-26-2013 07:39 PM ET (US) Oh lol I was just upset I had no one to talk to 115 Grackaroni 11-26-2013 02:26 PM ET (US) you're making me wifom myself right now lol. That makes so much sense as you bitching at your scumbuddy for getting lynched but at the same time you could never be that careless as scum. 114 Grackaroni 11-26-2013 02:23 PM ET (US) Pandain 11-26-2013 01:25 AM ET (US) Way to die on me That is such a strange reaction to a mafia lynch lol. I'm just assuming right now you would have to have edited that out if you were scum. 113 Pandain 11-26-2013 02:02 PM ET (US) goood point 112 Grackaroni 11-26-2013 11:15 AM ET (US) You should post your mason logs with Thrawn. There has to be some useful stuff in there. 111 Grackaroni 11-26-2013 10:52 AM ET (US) I should probably go write out my points on Oats while I still can. Haven't gotten around to looking at the interactions between Thrawn and Oats. 110 Grackaroni 11-26-2013 10:26 AM ET (US) Wow lots of talking going on all of a sudden. 109 Pandain 11-26-2013 01:26 AM ET (US) If Austin is town this game is guaranteed won 108 Pandain 11-25-2013 11:39 PM ET (US) yeah it is lol 107 Grackaroni 11-25-2013 08:37 PM ET (US) lol this game is finished. 106 Grackaroni 11-25-2013 05:13 PM ET (US) I don't see any reasonable explanation for his BC vote... He had him as townie all game long and then just randomly votes him when it is clear that BC is lynched. 105 Pandain 11-25-2013 04:21 PM ET (US) I'll take possible justification over no justification any day; I do think they are both scum though 104 Pandain 11-25-2013 04:19 PM ET (US) I would but I want a risen lynch I think he's scummier then thrawn. I've never played with thrawn and I could see him being dumb; there's absolutely no justification for risen and we need to lynch him now 103 Grackaroni 11-25-2013 03:24 PM ET (US) Thrawn might actually be even scummier than Risen. Can you post his mason logs in thread? 102 Pandain 11-25-2013 04:40 AM ET (US) Risen. In pulling an all nighter to do a research paper 101 Grackaroni 11-25-2013 04:35 AM ET (US) I should probably go to sleep. 100 Grackaroni 11-25-2013 04:31 AM ET (US) overestimating who? 99 Pandain 11-25-2013 04:30 AM ET (US) He better not. We both know either Risen is scum or we are way way way way way way way overestimating him in making choices. 98 Grackaroni 11-25-2013 04:26 AM ET (US) I have a feeling Vayne could end up lynched just like Rayn was yesterday. 97 Pandain 11-25-2013 04:23 AM ET (US) still useless. Because then it's trackers tracking trackers 96 Grackaroni 11-25-2013 04:21 AM ET (US) Unless there's like a whole bunch of them we don't know about. 95 Pandain 11-25-2013 04:18 AM ET (US) do you realize how much trackers suck in this game btw. Like they do almost nothing 94 Pandain 11-25-2013 04:17 AM ET (US) LOL 93 Grackaroni 11-25-2013 04:14 AM ET (US) I was thinking he would claim veteran to be honest. 92 Pandain 11-25-2013 04:13 AM ET (US) I was really confident about it 91 Grackaroni 11-25-2013 04:11 AM ET (US) I will teach him a thing or two about how to drop a proper bombshell. 90 Grackaroni 11-25-2013 04:10 AM ET (US) haha your thing was way better. 89 Grackaroni 11-25-2013 03:59 AM ET (US) that actually sounds probable. 88 Grackaroni 11-25-2013 03:58 AM ET (US) lol oh god. 87 Pandain 11-25-2013 03:57 AM ET (US) inb4 tracker and had tracked rayn who was nosy neighbor 86 Pandain 11-24-2013 11:45 PM ET (US) yeah and he's very hesistant about it. like in white flag, he bussed without directly pushing 85 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 10:41 PM ET (US) Oats still seems to be acting too reasonably in my opinion lol. 84 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 10:39 PM ET (US) By that I am referring to the "I make scummy comments to attract attention to catch the scum" 83 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 10:38 PM ET (US) What do you think about Thrawn's comment? The only other time I can remember somebody saying that was Chairman Ray in Thug Life and he was scum. 82 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 10:38 PM ET (US) I'm not overly worried about Koshi. 81 Pandain 11-24-2013 09:04 PM ET (US) So yeah I think Koshi is town and I would have to be convinced otherwise even though he's afk. 80 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 08:55 PM ET (US) haha I could only hope so  I was pretty sure you were town in Hogwarts. 79 Pandain 11-24-2013 08:49 PM ET (US) Also I was thinking that if you're ever scum, I'm going to be played so hard by you that game. 78 Pandain 11-24-2013 08:49 PM ET (US) I feel like we work extremely well together 77 Pandain 11-24-2013 08:16 PM ET (US) I agree with that, and also he acknowledged that his Mocsta's interactions with him were weird, which I don't think scum would ever admit. Those two lead to a soft town read for me. 76 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 08:10 PM ET (US) I'm reading through the Hogwarts mafia QT right now. (lol I can't believe some people actually suggested killing me there) He doesn't seem quite as nervous as I had expected him to be but I still just can't see him masoning veterans as scum. 75 Pandain 11-24-2013 08:01 PM ET (US) Yeah it would surprise me if LM turned out to be mafia, not that it's impossible. 74 Pandain 11-24-2013 07:49 PM ET (US) I wanted to find out if he was scum but it quickly backfired because he didn't want to talk to a "scum" 73 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 07:47 PM ET (US) Why did you mason Hopeless anyway? 72 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 07:44 PM ET (US) Do you agree that Lonemeow is likely town? 71 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 07:32 PM ET (US) Hopeless actually looks pretty bad. He's complaining about people just blindly following SS but he hasn't give any reasoning at all for Risen being town. 70 Pandain 11-24-2013 07:26 PM ET (US) Koshi I still think is town, there's not much to do tbh 69 Pandain 11-24-2013 07:26 PM ET (US) Just trying to say why risen is not scummy. Bad job at it. Saying Vayne is scum Think he's scum What do you think about hopeless 68 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) Also Koshi said his depression was over and he's still doing nothing. 67 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) I can't understand anything Alakaslam says anymore lol 66 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 07:08 PM ET (US) What's he doing in your mason chat? 65 Pandain 11-24-2013 06:42 PM ET (US) thrawn looking awful in mason chat. 64 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 02:33 PM ET (US) I'm not going to bother with oats until night. Risen is just trying to WIFOM us out of lynching him. No way he is town. 63 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 02:46 AM ET (US) I'm going to ask Marv. 62 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 02:43 AM ET (US) Nah SS had an extra night life because he was pardoner. Maybe scum RB SS and that prevents RB? I'm not really sure if that's how it works. 61 Pandain 11-24-2013 02:42 AM ET (US) I actually don't want to switch to Coag, more confident in Risen. Waiting for Mig to help shed light as well. I think, also, SS probably blocked mafia, so it makes sense if one of his top three reads were the ones he blocked. So another reason why Coag(maybe Thrawn, less sure on him) might be mafia. 60 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 02:40 AM ET (US) He loves Rayn lol. And he takes mafia very seriously. I could definitely see all 3 of those people being scum. 59 Pandain 11-24-2013 02:36 AM ET (US) I think he will lol 58 Pandain 11-24-2013 02:36 AM ET (US) I could see Risen/Oats/Coag SO easily right now. Same feeling I got when I thought Bereft/Asinine 57 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 02:33 AM ET (US) I don't think Koshi is going to come back this game and sadly I think he is town lol 56 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 02:22 AM ET (US) Yeah I'm pretty sure Mocsta slipped his alignment earlier lol. 55 Pandain 11-24-2013 02:20 AM ET (US) He's still town in my eyes. He's doing what I do a lot and rely on single posts to determine alignment because it's so much easier. He was wrong and doesn't want to admit it. 54 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 02:17 AM ET (US) wow vayne is really putting himself out on a limb to defend Risen. 53 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 02:01 AM ET (US) "you think I don't believe you aren't just as hopeless if you are town. Since when is asking questions scummy. If I'm not in here prodding discussion the thread is dead silent. If I was on a team with Vayne (or Oats for that matter) then he wouldn't have sheeped your reasoning on me being scum based on my vote because it was going to kill me if Pandain hadn't come in and stopped the wagon. If you had any idea of my Meta at all you would see that I don't have the balls to argue back and forth with people in the manner that I've done this game as scum and I certainly wouldn't claim a role in order to flush out the non-existant SK or risk getting counter-claimed for no benefit. I don't like being in LYLO. It's stressful that's why I try to get myself killed off. I am going to do everything I can to make sure that I am not endgamed for the second game in a row." I'm proud of that one lol. Anyway back to the game. 52 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 01:58 AM ET (US) The fake emotion was when I was like "Oh god LYLO SO STRESSFUL!!! wtf do I do???" I kind of want to dig up that post now lol it was pretty solid. It's what convinced Oatsmaster that I had to be town. 51 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 01:57 AM ET (US) Mig can probably get a good feel for his alignment. 50 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 01:49 AM ET (US) oh that wasn't fake. i felt like shit because I was playing so well and then I accidentally switched the time stamps to my scum role pm and then everybody just said I was mod confirmed town. Then I was getting comments from Koshi saying "Grack would have to be a total asshole to pull that as scum so he must be town." I really wanted to win that game because the only other time I played scum was 2 years ago and I got shit on lol. I had afk teammates so I just lurked. Except Syllogism would call me Mafia for lurking and I popped in constantly with posts like "no wait! I'm just really busy! not mafia!. Syllogism "you don't really seem busy... you always pop in the thread 20 minutes after your name shows up" 49 Pandain 11-24-2013 01:46 AM ET (US) do u like my "O god mason mig he's better" 48 Pandain 11-24-2013 01:45 AM ET (US) That's why I thought you were town LOL "who would claim and then UNCLAIM" 47 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 01:44 AM ET (US) lol 46 Pandain 11-24-2013 01:44 AM ET (US) Yeah I know ;( 45 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 01:44 AM ET (US) I guess. I've faked emotions before as scum lol. 44 Pandain 11-24-2013 01:43 AM ET (US) I never had a scum read on him, and that's rare because I usually do on everyone. Also, he openly claimed that Rayn made him feel bad , not want to read the thread, made his opinions not feel appreciated. That's more a town thing then a scum thing. And while it isn't definitive, town emotions are harder to display then scum emotions. 43 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 01:41 AM ET (US) I don't know if you can just write people off as town for complaining about Rayn shitting up the thread. That could be a legitimate excuse for being afk and it could also just be a fake reason not to post. Supersoft already cleared the way for people to complain about Rayn ruining the thread. Did you have anything definitive for Alakaslam being town? I'm null on him. 42 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 01:29 AM ET (US) Yeah I can agree with that; we absolutely need to lynch scum today. Scum will lose if we lynch one more of them but we are also pretty close to becoming really inactive. I feel like if me and Mig are shot that town is going to lose. And we will probably both be shot tomorrow if we don't hit scum since you and Austin are both supposedly veterans. 41 Pandain 11-24-2013 01:25 AM ET (US) In fact, we should hassle people who make dumb arguments instead of just sighing and letting them be and call them worse. Like I'm going to push hopeless I think just to see where he goes with his argument. 40 Pandain 11-24-2013 01:25 AM ET (US) This game has taught me that there's not a thing like too dumb argument to be scum. 39 Pandain 11-24-2013 01:22 AM ET (US) To be fair, it's not dumb. Because like SS said, if we lynch scum today which we should, they're down to 1 kp, and I'm a vet and there's an okay chance there's another town doctor. They have to plant suspicion NOW. 38 Pandain 11-24-2013 01:21 AM ET (US) No. I don't think so. But it's hard to fake effort as scum. You surely know this. Like all of Austin's posts are like essay-long diatribes. I don't think I can explain it, but his effort would be less passionate, he would have given up a lot, he wouldn't have pushed Vayne like this. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. But he can't be THIS active can he. 37 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 01:20 AM ET (US) I have a feeling Austin is actually really good at playing scum. Targeting Vayne does seem really dumb though. Especially if he needs somebody to lynch to save Risen or Coag. 36 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 01:19 AM ET (US) Austin would be less active as scum? 35 Pandain 11-24-2013 01:17 AM ET (US) Actually I think Austin is town. I can't see him being scum in this. Like the thread would feel different. 34 Pandain 11-24-2013 01:11 AM ET (US) Actually it doesn't really matter, if anything it'll be interesting to see how scum reacts if there are two scum lynches up for it 33 Pandain 11-24-2013 01:11 AM ET (US) Ok I completely agree with you on Oats, but I do think though that Risen and Coag are better lynches. I'm going to look through Oat's filter tomorrow, I want to watch Scarlett-Bomber which I missed as I go to bed. 32 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 01:09 AM ET (US) I agree he is scum. He was actively lurking the thread and then admitted it. When I brought it up again he started yelling that his power was out and he just created a shit load of chaos at the end of the day. 31 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 01:05 AM ET (US) lol who cares what Coag says. 30 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 01:04 AM ET (US) SS argued that Oats being RB was the reason for a missing kill. BC would have known that Oats was going to be RB from SS so that is probably not why. I think it is because BC just assumed Blazinghand was a tracker and hit the assassin. It's not even meta really. I like to look at who I think mafia should be trying to kill in a situation and the thread as a whole. In white Flag I singled out the fact that nobody latched on to my Oatsmaster points at all as a reason for why the main case (Hzflank) was extremely unlikely to be mafia. Some mafia absolutely had to have agreed with me on Oats or pushed hard for another person if Hzflank was actually mafia. 29 Pandain 11-24-2013 01:01 AM ET (US) like if I mislynch him, he'll think I'm a worse player. Don't know why I have to justify myself to him guess I'm dumb 28 Pandain 11-24-2013 01:00 AM ET (US) Just so you know I also think Coag is scummy scummer. He's been sooo useless. I'm afraid he might be town because his signature is openly mocking me  .27 Pandain 11-24-2013 12:59 AM ET (US) You have good points on Oats. It's meta but good. So Oats had gotten RB'd? Did that do anything 26 Pandain 11-24-2013 12:56 AM ET (US) Not the Vayne part. Vayne is town. And I haven't looked into Onegu. But rayne, yes 25 Pandain 11-24-2013 12:54 AM ET (US) I think Alakslam is town, that post is so genuine and described my thoughts perfectly. I looked through Thrawn. And I'm somewhat conflicted because like his first two days were SO good. Like he was actively talking with BC a lot and that would just be strange to me. I think he's definitely not a lynch for today. But I want to see how he responds to my post 24 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 12:45 AM ET (US) Definitely not a plus there are so many people who just don't give a shit and they can't all be scum. 23 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 12:45 AM ET (US) yeah kp is # of mafia / 2 rounded down. 22 Pandain 11-24-2013 12:44 AM ET (US) Scum had 2kp, right? 21 Pandain 11-24-2013 12:40 AM ET (US) That's why I was suspicious of Austin. The thing against him however is he is literally putting in so much effort. I probably would have switched to Risen had I been around, but honestly with Rayn gone, even though he's town, I still feel like it was a plus. He's the person who pretty much made me not want to read day three 20 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 12:37 AM ET (US) I should probably take a closer look at Austin. His arguments for Vayne being scum are really bad and he did kill Rayne in the very last second. I still can't believe you voted for Rayne... 19 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 12:32 AM ET (US) I know what you mean. Now with a BC flip we should be able to solve this game without too much trouble. 18 Pandain 11-24-2013 12:27 AM ET (US) I'll be back getting food from a nearby mart, will be on phone. I'm analyzing Thrawn and then I'll get right on Oats. Honestly I've not been keeping up with this thread too much . Trying to get into it now that it's more managable with less people.17 Grackaroni 11-24-2013 12:23 AM ET (US) Do you see what I mean? If Oats is town it would make so much more sense for BC to try to kill him than to go after me again. 16 Grackaroni 11-23-2013 11:31 PM ET (US) I'm thinking BC just shot at Blazinghand considering he just assumed my mason claim was true. 15 Grackaroni 11-23-2013 11:30 PM ET (US) BC was masoned with SS the day before and knew that Oats was going to be pushed for being RB. I would think he would try to push that case forward more seeing as he was pushing me purely for being useless. 14 Grackaroni 11-23-2013 11:26 PM ET (US) no to following SS case. I will write my own case if he stays under the radar today. Mostly want to watch what he does for now. 13 Grackaroni 11-23-2013 11:25 PM ET (US) no it's mostly just from looking at BC's filter. Also there was that one post where he said Mocsta was doing scummy things and then ended the post with a null read on Mocsta. Aside from that he's just been completely unnoticeable as of late, which is not something I relate with town Oats. 12 Pandain 11-23-2013 11:17 PM ET (US) Do u have a good case of oats somewhere or are you going by super softs case 11 Grackaroni 11-23-2013 11:13 PM ET (US) What do you think of Oats? He's probably going to be my lynch today. 10 Grackaroni 11-23-2013 10:23 PM ET (US) wait nvm. I thought you were arguing against Risen being scum in that post for some reason. 9 Grackaroni 11-23-2013 10:10 PM ET (US) Wait what. In white flag you were arguing that nobody ever asks to be vigged as town. 8 Pandain 11-23-2013 10:05 PM ET (US) That would be awesome I'm going to go over thrawn before today and see if he is as scummy as he was before now because I had him as town before I'll go over risen. But he was like so martyr y and I never can see risen behaving like that as town. Like if he's town it's never certain that you are scum unless you are super unlucky and pardon scum then are role checked as mafia. I think both are good things 7 Grackaroni 11-23-2013 08:54 PM ET (US) I think I'm just going to treat you like confirmed town so that if you are town we can just wipe out the game. 6 Grackaroni 11-23-2013 08:41 PM ET (US) What did you think of Risen's night time posts? 5 Grackaroni 11-23-2013 08:39 PM ET (US) I agree that looks terrible. 4 Pandain 11-23-2013 08:36 PM ET (US) that thrawn post is like so mafia 3 Pandain 11-23-2013 08:26 PM ET (US) I luv u 2 Grackaroni 11-23-2013 08:24 PM ET (US) it took 4 days in a game with like 100 masons to get masoned but it finally happened lol. 1 marvellosity 11-23-2013 08:22 PM ET (US) Pandain and Grackaroni mason Day 4/Night 4 Upgrade to PRO Upload pictures, personalize your board, and more! About these ads | ||
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On December 04 2013 02:42 Onegu wrote: So I was masoned with pandain yesterday and I dont see the reason why a scum pandain would do that? Like I guess he masons people he presumes weak and can manipulate them. Looking back on it maybe this is it, he is the one that got me off of HF for the time being, and tried to keep me on a oats or mrcc lynch. His reads on HF never changes. HF has a 24 page filter and he calls him scum all game long because he made a kind of strange post about Lonemeow. There is nothing in HF's filter that ever makes him reconsider his read or motivates him to write new points, yet he is so convinced that HF is scum that he is basing scum reads on other people off of HF being scum. His read on Koshi is also very scummy On November 23 2013 02:42 Onegu wrote: Koshi calling me out for not posting here much is BS also, it was N2 here and I am VT while it was D1 there I wonder where someone is going to post more? Hrmmm.... And then I had irl stuff and didnt post in either game. I am going to vote koshi as one of my votes I think. This reasoning is basically just omgus. Would Koshi really be more likely to complain about Onegu's inactivity as scum than as town? On November 23 2013 03:35 Onegu wrote: Rayn lets get koshi, Im going to make a case on him now. On November 23 2013 03:39 Onegu wrote: Then why is he trying to discredit me with BS reasons. Also he has changed his reads multiple times also but calls you out for it. I don't get a good feeling from the way that Onegu speaks with Rayn. He was buddying Rayn really hard. He gave Rayn a super strong town read all game and had mainly focused so far on just throwing in a bit of support to Rayn's case on HF. I think he is trying to manipulate Rayn into tunneling Koshi here. On November 23 2013 04:35 Onegu wrote: Give me a bit koshi case comeing but comeing from a tablet its takeing forever. On November 23 2013 05:47 Onegu wrote: Fine Austin, Ill take back koshi for now as I am the only one on him and rereading his filter he isnt as scummy as it thought, but HF has 2 votes my vote stays on him. ##UNVOTE KOSHI ##VOTE RISEN In the end Onegu backs out from posting his read on Koshi. It was clear that going after Koshi would have been a very unpopular push. It's unlikely that he really changed his mind at all from rereading Koshi's filter because as soon as Rayn dies he starts up with the exact same push on Koshi once again. He also has no qualms voting people by himself because he switches off Risen later in the day to Austin and he was the sole Austin voter. On November 23 2013 14:45 Onegu wrote: I did. And that resoning isnt bad its something scum koshi would do to town rayn. As soon as Rayn flips he goes right back to calling Koshi scum once again. The only thing that has changed since his reread is that people are annoyed that Koshi lynched town Rayn. On November 23 2013 19:40 Onegu wrote: I explained my votes I wasnt going to vote for my town reads, and I liked risens response toward deadline, hindsight I should have stayed with it as it lead to the rayn lynch which I had a very heavy town read on rayn. BC because of basicly my gut. Koshi because his case on rayn was bad and useing reasons he himself has done, and then him calling me out for bs reasons on more than one occasion. He still is never able to write out a comprehensive case for Koshi being scum after all that time. More importantly, I have absolutely no idea what is going on with Onegu's thought process for Risen being scum. On November 23 2013 06:14 Onegu wrote: Man fuck this. youre not dead yet I like that post. ##UNVOTE ## VOTE AUSTINMCC Onegu likes Risen's posts near the deadline and chooses to unvote. On November 23 2013 19:40 Onegu wrote: I explained my votes I wasnt going to vote for my town reads, and I liked risens response toward deadline, hindsight I should have stayed with it as it lead to the rayn lynch which I had a very heavy town read on rayn. BC because of basicly my gut. Koshi because his case on rayn was bad and useing reasons he himself has done, and then him calling me out for bs reasons on more than one occasion. On November 26 2013 01:44 Onegu wrote: ##VOTE RISEN Supersofts read I should have killed him last night, basicly it was my unvote that killed rayn Also HF thinks risen is scum but doesnt vote for him, when he know a risen lynch will get rid alot of questions on BC wifom, in addition to kill scum. Look here is how I feel right now I laid some stuff down on HF multiple times, I asked for thoughts and even HF called for people to tell me to stfu. Other than HF who I was talkong about, no one else said a word. If I was scum I would be so happy I could just atk someone and look like activity but no one pays attention, but as I am town its really fucking depressing. Im not rayn Im not going to repeatedly shove shit in the thread. But all I hear is HF is town and no one saying a damn thing to me. My post on koshi only thrawn responded. If you think I am wrong give me fucking reasons. Dont just ignore it, I know alot of shit is going on but some people comment on just about everything but my case or thoughts. Austin asks me questions but doesnt actually talk about what I say. He reads it and moves on. Im caught up on everything I have thoughts, they havent changed since yesterday. The next day Onegu sheeps SS on Risen. The best reasoning given for Risen being scum was his meta. He can be useful as town and did nothing. He had an attitude of not giving a shit all game long and then when he got on the chopping block he became super invested. (doesn't really line up). SS added in some connections with BC. However, when Onegu wanted to convince Rayn that Mocsta's filter didn't prevent me from being scum he said that connections weren't important. On November 19 2013 04:34 Onegu wrote: No I had a null to scummy read on him before the mocsta flip, you saying he is town because of a connection to mocsta is dumb imo. Its like you are saying people saying he is scum because of mocsta is dumb, same thing imo with people saying he is town its all WIFOM Onegu has claimed that he does not let connections make much of an influence in his reads and he thought that Risen made good posts near the deadline so he really had absolutely zero valid reasoning for Risen being scum. Let's lynch Scum ##Vote: Onegu | ||
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On December 03 2013 23:44 Hopeless1der wrote: This is what happens when austin isnt around to carry us. Thank god we have a vet. ##Vote: Pandain p.s. I don't believe Pandain is a vet. Hence the singular form when referring to austin's role. Could you not waste your vote? We've all seen your Pandain case and it hasn't convinced anybody. Pandain has posted a lot of things since then so either write something new on Pandain or vote someone reasonable. | ||
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On December 05 2013 02:24 Onegu wrote: Yeah none of this makes me scum. Still have a scum read on HF, I can read rayn and koshi pushing him for non scummy reasons was scummy. Also me unvoteing risen and the voteing him the next day isnt scummy, what scum motivation is there to do that? There isnt. There could be scum motivation there. You could have preferred a Pandain lynch to a Risen lynch. Of course it's also possible that you just thought Risen's posts looked good. But there was no massive case on Risen from SS; the most that SS did was give some connections to BC. There is no explanation for why you were content with sheeping that lynch if you liked Risen's posts earlier. You keep saying the same thing. "whoops I should have lynched Risen because it would have saved Rayn", but that doesn't explain why you want to kill him the next day over the people you felt were scummier and weren't making good posts at the deadline. As for Koshi, the way you approached it was scummy. You could have come out with a big case on Koshi and pushed for Koshi but instead you test the waters. When Rayn says no to lynching Koshi you back down. Your reasoning for backing down doesn't make sense from a town perspective because you don't actually care about being alone on a wagon and you start attacking Koshi again for the same reasons after Rayn is dead (despite changing your mind earlier from reading his filter) Why is HF scum? You haven't quoted any thing recently to defend that and it's unreasonable to still believe that off of those LM posts from the start of the game. | ||
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On December 05 2013 03:28 austinmcc wrote: What is the preferred time to lynch coin-flippy players? I'm back for an hour or so. Sorry for today/last night town. I don't want to vote anyone who voted thrawn today. Like, just basic instinct, whole team shouldn't be on him. Looking for someone who was on risen AND pushed against thrawn AND shows some other funky signs (weird change in BC read to vote him, voting for BC early, etc.). Gonna go looking, and am around to chat. I saw the case on onegu, I see the stuff on pandain. If BC is mafia and pandain were mafia and BOTH masoned SS D1, I would THINK that there would be some chat in their logs towards the end of the day about mocsta. Either a small amount of trying to get him to lynch non-mocstas, by calling mocsta questionable but not big scum, or by pushing other reads. If not that, there would be some push in the thread from them for non-SS mayor. Right? I don't see 1/3 of the scum team being masoned with a mayoral candidate who suddenly says he's looking at a scumbuddy, and then them do nothing about it. I guess there is never really a good time to lynch coin flippy players. I prefer to just wait until later and hope they will become less of a coin flip. I hope we can lynch Onegu today. Pandain said to SS in thread that he didn't want to lynch Mocsta and that Mocsta was town when SS started looking at him so I don't think that not being in the mason chat matters at all. | ||
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Grackaroni
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On December 05 2013 04:14 Holyflare wrote: Yesterday was a good point to lynch coin flippy players........ Today less so, it's 6vs3 so if we mislynch today then tomorrow is pretty much over if we get it wrong. I have no idea who you want to lynch. What do you think about what I wrote on Onegu? I really don't see what is so townie about Onegu's mason chat. | ||
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On December 05 2013 07:47 austinmcc wrote: Right? Onegu has been picking two fights this game. Calling HF scummy and LM townie as part of that, and calling rayn townie and sometimes koshi has looked scummy for going after rayn (Onegu's koshi read seems to fluctuate with koshi's rayn read). If you're scumOnegu, one of the guys you've been pushing as mafia just exploded into activity to lynch a dude you're calling town, and you KNOW is town. You can freely double down, your Koshi read keeps flopping, but rayn is SUPER OBVIOUS TOWN (to onegu) at this point, and koshi should know that, so Koshi's attempt to lynch him shows 100000% that koshi is mafia and probably that Pandain or Risen is mafia, and Koshi is trying to push votes away. Bing bang boom. I guess they didn't know whether rayn would get the votes or not, but scumOnegu could have seriously pushed Koshi. The counterargument is....any Onegu should have pushed Koshi? That scum or town, Koshi pushing rayn = scumkoshi to onegu, and he should have hammered that, trying to save his townreads in BC and rayn and trying to push Koshi as a doodyhead. I think what is more telling is the way that he pushed Koshi. He mostly just sits back and tries to direct Rayn to tunnel people for him instead of posting his own case and putting himself out there against Koshi. Mafia can and, in my opinion, often do have static reads. BC is supposed to be really good at scum and he had pretty much the same reads all game long with the exception of adding on Mig to his scum list on day three for shooting the doctor. | ||
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On December 05 2013 08:02 austinmcc wrote: I mean, static reads are fine. That's the problem. Onegu COULD HAVE kept this static read going. He could have HAMMERED koshi for pushing a guy that he knew would flip town (either by lynch or shortly by NK, as rayn was very active). But instead, he's fine dropping koshi and voting me. When he's in the clear to keep his static read AND knows Koshi is about to look very scummy, he's willing to swap his vote. He moved off Risen for having good posts at the deadline (easy lynch for another day) to somebody who was never going to get lynched that day. people didn't agree with koshi being scum for pushing Rayn so he rereads Koshi's filter and changes his mind and states that he wants to make his vote matter (Later moves on to you by himself so he doesn't do that). The next day when people were angry Koshi lynched Rayn and were voting Risen his suspicion goes right back to Koshi and Risen. | ||
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On December 05 2013 08:04 Holyflare wrote: It doesn't matter what he's done in another game because the situations do not translate. Risen was just literally told he was beind bad by martyring and straight up the next day slam does the same thing. He can't even explain his vote off thrawn onto VA. I don't really care about that vote because it was totally inconsequential. If anything I would say scum would be less likely to jump off the train like that knowing Thrawn would flip. | ||
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