TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 11

supersoft
11-20-2013
08:44 PM ET (US)
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can i still talk in here? did you remason me? marv didnt sent me anything, but he didnt close it like yesterday...
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supersoft
11-19-2013
07:57 PM ET (US)
i really hope he's scum...
the thread will be a complete mess if not...
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supersoft
11-19-2013
06:09 PM ET (US)
at least we have some discussion about that. In the end we lynch BH. Okay.
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supersoft
11-19-2013
05:44 PM ET (US)
okay, i understand that. okay
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
05:42 PM ET (US)
Honestly. The only person anyone is likely going to agree to lynch today is me if not BH. Im moderately selfish in the fact that well, I'd like to live.

BH is unreadable. I am 100% certain hes going to flip red. Id rather take the "safe" lynch to ensure mafia kp dropping. If we attempt to swamp it now so close to deadline im likely dying. If BH somehow flips green we know almost for sure grack is mafia. If he flips assassin then it removes him and 1 other player lowering our pool of players instantly by 2. Having a smaller pool to analyze and use the double lynch tommorrow to me is the safest and smartest play.
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supersoft
11-19-2013
05:32 PM ET (US)
oh my... okay... let's ignore this guy for now. We have bigger issues...

BH, I think he's unreadable. I think he might be scum, but I think it is better to lynch him with the doublelynch.
I mean there is almost no discussion about this lynch. Everyone is like yeah BH might be scum. If he flips green or assassin we got no further information for out doublelynch.
I prefer Oats today and BH tomorrow. Oats gives us information, so we can find a partner for BH much easier.

+ ScumKP won't go down in case we hit red today. They stay the same.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
05:27 PM ET (US)
he knows we're masoned. I told him at the start of the cycle....which is why he thinks im scum. Because I told him but not the thread -_-
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supersoft
11-19-2013
04:37 PM ET (US)
you can tell Pandain that we're masoned... I think his latest post somewhat clears him in my eyes.
Tell him that we talked about mig. I by the way still think he might be scum.
He's eaily capable to play like this as scum
As well as you are in pandains eyes.
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supersoft
11-19-2013
04:31 PM ET (US)
i mean i try to look like i am trying. I hope he wakes up from this madness
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supersoft
11-19-2013
04:29 PM ET (US)
I try to get rayn lynched. I think we cannot win if he stays alive.
I am 100% sure, that almost noone follows this thread anymore. He's discussing townreads for millions of pages, this is just insane.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
10:32 PM ET (US)
he and i are masoned and he is actively analyzing there. Not in a way that I'd associate with scum. I dunno could he have fooled me? maybe but it really feels genuine.
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Supers
11-18-2013
10:01 PM ET (US)
okay good, because i am leaning either extremely town, or extremely scum on pandain.
thats why i didnt adress this topic in the thread. i am completely unsure about him ^_^
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
09:56 PM ET (US)
I am going to have to take a step back from my tunneling ive been doing. I realize I am tunneling like I did against yamato only this time with grack -_-

As a note I strongly disagree with your pandain read. I also can see mig based off today potentially being town. I don't like his lack of participation in thread but he is actively updating his reads on his spreadsheet and when he posted today he was making sense as much as it pisses me off to admit.

Id place my reads more like

Town

Koshi
VE
You
Me
Artanis
OOHchild
Pandain

Null

Grack
Mig
Thrawn
Rayn
Lonemeow
Scum

Hopeless
BH

Leaning scum

Oats
Holyflare
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
09:45 PM ET (US)
not sure about a missing kp tbh
5 dead one being red.

Marv said there were 6 mafia in thread so their kp would be 3. That puts them at 4.

Still need to filter dive oats as a ton of your case requires reading them all
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Supers
11-18-2013
05:27 PM ET (US)
i need your opinion on Oats... I am not sure, if there is a KP missing n1,
4 KP, one shot by Mocsta... I think there might be one missing.
I am not entirely sure.

Regardless of that, I really think my case has something in it.
Do you have any objections you want to talk about?
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Supers
11-18-2013
04:56 PM ET (US)
Town

Grack
rayn
koshi
VE
artanis
OOHCHILD
Lonemoew



scum

Oats
pandain
mig
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Supers
11-18-2013
03:05 PM ET (US)
Rayn is insane... I cannot understand the motivation he puts in this game. 18 filterpages. I never came even close to that, and I view myself as a really active player... Whatever.

I think Grack is town. Based on his behaviour around the lynch.
He switched on me, when I said that i lynch mocsta. He switched last minute to make it happen.
He should be town, i don't believe that anyone plays so risky.
I mean someone else could have switched and bam.
And by that time it was clear, that I get to lynch if VE doesnt show up in time and VE was gone.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
11:22 AM ET (US)
Rayn really wants us to claim
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
10:57 AM ET (US)
id prefer others but BH cannot be town. His play is that of scum or assassin. You could make a case likely for either side without any issue.

I am unsure of oats currently based purely on the play this current cycle. I find that harder to see in a scum motivated player compared to a town one.
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supersoft
11-18-2013
06:13 AM ET (US)
i feel the necessity to lynch BH, but i prefer other targets...
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supersoft
11-18-2013
06:11 AM ET (US)
we should doublelynch today...
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
04:30 AM ET (US)
REOPENED - Day 2 / Night 2
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
08:04 PM ET (US)
CLOSED
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supersoft
11-17-2013
07:32 PM ET (US)
if there happen to be only 2 or less scumteamkills and no medicprotections and no doublestacks, Oats must die
^_^
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supersoft
11-17-2013
07:01 PM ET (US)
okay no further nightactions:
i blocked Oats, because I am pretty confident he's scum.
If i die, you know it.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
06:19 PM ET (US)
fair enough, works for me
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supersoft
11-17-2013
06:12 PM ET (US)
yes, i have to take the risk that yamato goes completely insane and outs our circle in the thread.
I'll introduce him to our moves step by step...
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
06:06 PM ET (US)
it makes sense. It would also make him realize why the 3 of us are as tight as we are. The only downside I see is him then outing us both as masons
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supersoft
11-17-2013
05:54 PM ET (US)
i think i might have to mason Yamato to get him on out side...
I think he's town and he's suspicious of our VE/BC/SS connection.
I might have to add him to our circle
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supersoft
11-17-2013
05:50 PM ET (US)
good okay, you mason me and i mason VE i guess...
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
05:22 PM ET (US)
honestly if he is masoning me then I will mason you. Leaves you able to mason VE or someone else to connect into the group. We can just keep using the masons to create a chat group essentially
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supersoft
11-17-2013
09:22 AM ET (US)
yes np. Pandain asked me if he should mason you, i told him to do that.
He also suspects that i am a mason... He suggested that i should form a towncircle with VE and yamato hahaha
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
07:47 AM ET (US)
im heading to work and will be back hopefully with good time before the cycle change. However I am expecting to be home around 530-6pm est given how busy I was told we were last night.
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supersoft
11-16-2013
08:11 PM ET (US)
btw. that was a typical VE move... That's why i didnt want him to be in the office at all. But okay, i won't get mad

ARGHHHAHGGHDSGGGGGGGGGGGDSSDFAPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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supersoft
11-16-2013
07:57 PM ET (US)
what about mocsta. he does look like scum to me...
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supersoft
11-16-2013
07:31 PM ET (US)
mig is a good RB target btw. i need a lynchtarget now... oh man this is hard
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supersoft
11-16-2013
07:20 PM ET (US)
re
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-16-2013
05:35 PM ET (US)
i appreciate that. i have to bail for a bit soon to get together with someone from college.

Mig is kinda scummy but you are right, offing him day 1 would be bad. Of any Vet the only one you'd get no real flak for killing is BH. His claim was super shitty and he didn't really crumb it / hasn't done anything worth while this game.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-16-2013
05:33 PM ET (US)



Of that post I still strongly suggest grack or storr. I know i've more or less sank my teeth into them and won't let go but since gracks reappearance from what ive seen in the last few hours hes done nothing to really prove hes town aligned. He could be an assassin, or mafia but no way in hell is he town. Storr as much as I suspect has given me enough to not want him dead currently but it all comes down to his reappearance.

kush is kush. I like offing him purely on principle but I don't think hes particularly bad so far this game. I can see his hesitance for voting for me purely on previous games together.

Hiro, coag and hopeless are all lurkers. They are all safe lynches. They may flip red they might not, but they are safe in the sense they aren't contributing much and what they have hasnt been particularly useful or good. Risen I am currently unsure of. Hes had both good and bad posts.
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supersoft
11-16-2013
05:32 PM ET (US)
done.
I take a short nap, i barely slept recently. i'll be here 90 minutes before the voting ends. I reread quite a bit, bit i am having a hard time to find someone equally scummy to mig.

I don't want to lynch him d1, since it's against my general policy not to lynch vets day1 and if he is town, people will freak out completely.
High risk, but high reward and the chances he's scum aren't too bad.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-16-2013
05:28 PM ET (US)
also get your vote back onto yourself, now!
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-16-2013
05:28 PM ET (US)
good. As long as one of us gets in over yamato thats what matters.
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supersoft
11-16-2013
03:33 PM ET (US)
i raged, now i get voted... so that's how it works...
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supersoft
11-16-2013
01:46 PM ET (US)
lets vote you, to prevent yamato -_-
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supers
11-16-2013
08:33 AM ET (US)
okay assassin makes no sense, my mistake. I didnt properly read the OP regarding assassins :D
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supers
11-16-2013
08:19 AM ET (US)
the only reason, VE has no interest in protecting this circle and playing selfish is that hes assassin.

i am pretty confident, that mig is scum. he just doesnt care at all. Voting VE fits that oattern. Why would mig just put his vote on the one with the most votes and not care at all about the pardoner.
he didnt even think about it. you can see that in his conversation with you.
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supers
11-16-2013
06:14 AM ET (US)
d2*
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supers
11-16-2013
06:13 AM ET (US)
if VE wants me, mason/townRBer in the office he must vote me. he gas enough votes on himself...
i will convince/force pandain to vote for me.
i guess 5-6 votes should be enough.

i think a SS/BC office is not going to happen with VE not supporting it.

oh man... ve is so selfish... if he's just VT and he steals mine or your vest i'll be so mad.
this is game deciding right now.
if i manage to RB scum and there is a vest/medic protection on us, we have a good chance to make it to d3 and continue our circle.
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supers
11-16-2013
02:47 AM ET (US)
mig asked me a few questions. i won't respond and see if he follows up on that. so i can see whether he cares or not
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supers
11-16-2013
02:43 AM ET (US)
pandain masoned me
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supers
11-16-2013
02:42 AM ET (US)
i know. the roleblock is fantastic. if i block scum, we see that one kp is missing and therefor the rb is like a check.
i just hope, that there are only 1-2 kills... if too many vigs/sk etc shoot, we wont see if kp miss or not
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
08:16 PM ET (US)
VE is in agreement of the 2 of the 3 of us should be elected.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
07:17 PM ET (US)
VE i can semi take care of if its any help.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
07:15 PM ET (US)
that is insanely powerful. Its also incredibly useful.

BH has a really fucking dumb idea to bust out with for his first post a day after the game started. Mig i want to see more from and coag is coag. Id like to see more from coag as well as hes normally stupidly easy to read.
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supersoft
11-15-2013
07:09 PM ET (US)
If he's not cool with it,
you can tell him, that he might deserve the position, because he established himself so well, but unfortunately he's no mason
:-(

+ we will probably find a way to protect VE, too.

I am not only mason, I am also Roleblocker :D
and marv just told me that scummembers carry their KP, that means, I can prevent them from shooting...

Oh man i went all in right now :D if you're scum, lol :D
But I am pretty confident, that BH, Coagulation and/or mig are scum.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
07:01 PM ET (US)
passed it all on to him. Need his response in how we move from it
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supersoft
11-15-2013
06:23 PM ET (US)
We, you, VE and I should agree one two of us who get into office.
I think we should vote and after that we should push this in the thread.
Otherwise we might have the problem that only one of us gets into office.

Regarding our roles, mason/mason,
I vote for you and me...

can you please discuss that topic with VE?
and does he know the mig-plan?
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
06:01 PM ET (US)
risens vote confuses me to be sure, but ill take it.

I kinda like that idea. Its kinda a good way to gauge someone that id never thought of
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supersoft
11-15-2013
05:54 PM ET (US)
We have to defend mig all day long. I want to see if he comes back without pressure.
This is a trap:

if he doesn't come back, we can clearly see that he has no interest in helping us.
If he comes back without pressure and plays very well, this is a much better sign.

i always do that with palmar. If he doesnt play day1+day2 i cozy him around and tell everyone to shut up and if he shapes up immensely and kills scum, everything is fine.
If he keeps doing nothing i get him killed.
I think we can to that with mig, too. Townmig comes back and performs no matter what people say.
A scummig might not come back without pressure.
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supersoft
11-15-2013
05:48 PM ET (US)
I mean he votes for you, even though I am the one he wants to lynch... what?
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supersoft
11-15-2013
05:47 PM ET (US)
I think Risen doesn't care about this game at all. But as long as he votes you i won't torture him.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
04:32 PM ET (US)
I also want to see more come out of LM and yamato (given that we know they claimed mason)
more out of hopeless and more out of austin.

all of em need to post more so we can solid reads.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
04:28 PM ET (US)
true. Mig when hes been around (near never) isn't saying bad things. Its just not well, enough. If he doesn't step up his game I think hes a solid person to dig into as is storr for reasons ive said before.
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supersoft
11-15-2013
04:25 PM ET (US)
storrzerg and mig are targets we need to keep an eye on.
Both of them don't live up to the expectations. Especially mig who is just not playing.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
04:16 PM ET (US)
I honestly don't think he realizes the actual power of our masoning right now =\
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supersoft
11-15-2013
03:50 PM ET (US)
and wtf is this about the use of the pardoner power?! I don't get it at all.
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supersoft
11-15-2013
03:47 PM ET (US)
VE can have my office spot if he's medic and if he keeps protecting me till his last breath!
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supersoft
11-15-2013
03:43 PM ET (US)
oh lord why does he want yamato as pardoner? is he aware of the possibilities that our 3 man cycle brings?
yamato is a terrible choice. That guy may just vanish randomly anytime.
he hat an explosive start, but i fear he won't keep it like that.
+ his reads usually are not on top -_-
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
03:33 PM ET (US)
said he was going to work. So he might be on soon or might not.
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supersoft
11-15-2013
03:12 PM ET (US)
Koshi is in trouble...

Where is VE?
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
12:39 PM ET (US)
that is sizably better than this game jesus
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supersoft
11-15-2013
12:27 PM ET (US)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...aroni¤tpage=3

holy shit. this is his townplay...
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supersoft
11-15-2013
12:23 PM ET (US)
+ Onegu had a much better start this game, compared to his scumgame. amount of posts is higher, he's not excusing himself all the time...
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supersoft
11-15-2013
12:19 PM ET (US)
okay. I am just rereading Grack. Now i get what you mean hmhm...
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
12:15 PM ET (US)
will start reading it myself now then.
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supersoft
11-15-2013
12:12 PM ET (US)
he's pretty new...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052

i am just rereading ogwartsmafia... Onegu was scum then, Sknjab got lynched as town.
Maybe we can find any parallels
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
12:07 PM ET (US)
I think its mainly because I haven't read any of his games I am seeing what I am seeing? He went back to trolling after being semi useful.

I understand your reasoning on storr which is why hes not my #1 lynch. If he comes back and improves cool, but he has to improve a shit ton. Is skaj new? I can't figure out if hes a troll, bad, or scum.
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supersoft
11-15-2013
12:03 PM ET (US)
I agree on how we should use the powers. Now we have to make sure, that VE/You/me get into that office.

regarding onegu, yes



I don't like this post, it fits for scum to post this. He might be right to some extend, but this is not the current topic anymore and it doesnt make any sense to discuss this topic further.
As scum you want to argue about things like that. What is the best townatmosphere, is being rude or agressive protown or not etc.
These general policy discussions are easy for scum, since everyone has some kind of a positions and there is no real right or wrong.


I also agree on Storrzerg. He posts so little. I'd like to read more from him... Cannot make a final decision on him.

regarding Grack, I don't even read what he posts. I can't stand trolling and I just hope it ends.
I hate it, because I don't even know if it really is a scumtell. I mean obviously trolling is terrible for town, but on the other hand too many townies kept trolling in games I played so far, so lynching for trolling isn't the best way to find scum in my opinion.
And you get no information. It's like lynching a lurker.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
11:53 AM ET (US)
I would even say a mayor should double lynch power use to remove the pardoner should the pardon ever be used.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
11:52 AM ET (US)
when it comes to the election if either of us gets it I think its key we lynch into the heavy suspect pool you and I and VE and I come up with. Currently a ton of things overlap so I think that is a good position given that 3 heads seeing similar information is far better than 1.

Pardoner should never be used, period. Lynching for information is fine and the pardoner removes that information not just from the lynch but from potentially a days worth of talking. Any pardoner caught using the power should be instantly removed.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
11:49 AM ET (US)
I really really really don't like onegu atm.

He didn't make a good impact upon entering the thread and imo concentrated on all the wrong things.

as a note VE's strongest reads atm (mirrorish my own)

Grack, storr, rayn risen.
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
11:12 AM ET (US)
nope, i masoned him.
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supersoft
11-15-2013
11:08 AM ET (US)
That is interesting

VE masoned you right?
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YulathPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
11:06 AM ET (US)
Jesus christ this link of shit is amazing. (masons that is)

Given you and I both believe VE is active I will be upfront with this. He and I are also masoned this cycle. Anything said there or here will be brought over by me to the other chat to well, share information before one of us bites it provided you are fine with this.

As i have told VE (note i am only on page 40 currently) my two strongest scum reads are storrzerg and grack. If i had to choose between the two of them I would likely opt to lynch grack over storr at this time.

VE is a solid townread by me. He isn't playing neccesarily how I like but clearly pushing the way he normally plays. Yamato is yamato. I can't read him. As such for the time being I shall differ to your read for the purposes of day 1, however I won't support him ever being elected.

I shall dump more in here as I read things.
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supersoft
11-15-2013
08:37 AM ET (US)
Artanis looks green to me, too
^_^
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supersoft
11-15-2013
07:50 AM ET (US)
Lonemoew is mason, too he masoned yamato. He might be a scummason. Depending on their history.
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supersoft
11-15-2013
06:08 AM ET (US)
+ I want to talk to you in private to figure out if you're town, and if I should support your mayoral campaign.

+ I want you to support me. I am townmason obviously and I really think i will be able to have a positive impact on this game when I survive n1+n2. The bulletprovevest can help me there.

__________________________________

I also love to lynch for information, therefor, I am happy to take the pardonerpower and never use it.
I'd also happily decide the first lynch. But since I know about myself that I am town, and I think i can establish my townieness pretty well, I think I don't need the lynch to prove myself.
I'd rather give it to you and hope you lynch scum, so I can clear your name on my list.
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supersoft
11-15-2013
06:04 AM ET (US)
Hi BC.

opinions so far:

VE, town; Yamato town; mig suspicious.

his first post is good, but i am wondering why he doesn't follow it up. Got to check his latest game again.
Obviously this is just a feeling. I'd never lynch him for that.

VE is extremely active. I think he's posting without thinking much and without checking his post before posting. this looks green to me.

Yamato plays exactly like the last game i played with him and he was town.
I got to check a scumgame of him and see if he's also extremely agressive then. Idk. I remember him as a good scumplayer so i guess i have to reevaluate that feeling.

Other players:
rayn attacks me for bullshit reasons, but he follows it up...
He's 0 right now, but i think i will keep an eye on him

In general I am watching the reactions to my initial entrance in the thread right now.
I always like to see how people react, since I think that a scumplayer who knows that I am town, probably reacts different to a townplayer that doesnt know my alignment.
I am not entirely sure what to expect from them though :D
got to think about this, too.

so far.


Now why did I mason you:
I think your first post is pretty standart, i expected that no matter what alignment you are.
I like your following posts. Not the specific content, but rather the fact, that you stayed active and tried to direct the threadconversation.
Okay.
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
05:37 AM ET (US)
supersoft/BC mason day 1 and night 1

marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-17-2013
08:04 PM ET (US)
CLOSED
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supersoft
11-17-2013
07:59 PM ET (US)
was nice chatting to you! cu in thread ^_^
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supersoft
11-17-2013
07:59 PM ET (US)
my oats-case is extremely real!
he needs to die!
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supersoft
11-17-2013
09:20 AM ET (US)
well, yes masoning BC is a good idea. Please do that.
Also if you have another ability combined with your masonpower, please make sure to protect BC.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:10 PM ET (US)
In like 12 hours or so when I wake up:p
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:05 PM ET (US)
I'm going to give you a scum analysis of storr that I've noticed can you critique it
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Pandain
11-16-2013
10:26 PM ET (US)
well idk do what you want.
I think I'm going to push BH tomorrow
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Pandain
11-16-2013
10:25 PM ET (US)
if your a mason btw i would start a town circle with ve and yam.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
09:24 PM ET (US)
getting town read on sharrant he's playing like previous games
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:28 PM ET (US)
Do you think I should mason BC tomorrow and if so what are your thoughts on his alignment and how should I approach him.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:24 PM ET (US)
what if everyone is a mason lol

you are too
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:13 PM ET (US)
Have you played with Mocsta before?
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:12 PM ET (US)
Wasn't that sure on Skanjabs but happy I was right.

I would say definitely not three masons but the problem is that I have two roles so I can very easily conceive others having multiple roles.

And Lone seems town to me
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supersoft
11-16-2013
08:12 PM ET (US)
ah yes, btw. that was a typical VEs move.
That's why i didnt want him in the office.

He wasted 10 minutes of time and he didnt discuss his choice.
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supersoft
11-16-2013
07:19 PM ET (US)
Gj, so far. The thread looks good right now. We cannot let a paranoia last minute voteswitch happen.
I've seen these things far too often and it's never good.

We need to settle on VE and myself.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
06:52 PM ET (US)
Oops
Basically I don't know I have too many thoughts vote who you want
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Pandain
11-16-2013
06:51 PM ET (US)
Idk do
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Pandain
11-16-2013
06:45 PM ET (US)
Without the tracker thing I say lynch Vayne or sharrant.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
05:35 PM ET (US)
I would lynch Vayne or Rayne. You can also lynch mig if you want but I'm far less confident on him then you are.
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supersoft
11-16-2013
05:26 PM ET (US)
hmm hmm this is difficult.. i am very tired tbh... i think i'll take a nap for about 90 minutes and come back later...
you might be right, depending on how accurate my "list" is, voting me could be alignment indicative.
I just hope Yamato doesnt get into office ._.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
05:16 PM ET (US)
Anyone who votes you is a town tell to be honest. Unless you're totally wrong of course.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
03:56 PM ET (US)
lynch liars unless they can have a benefit, BH's wouldn't for town.

BH is a liar or he's awful
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Pandain
11-16-2013
03:54 PM ET (US)
why then I dont see how unless BH just did a really piss poor play which I wouldn't think he would with a tracker claim
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supersoft
11-16-2013
03:45 PM ET (US)
you might be overthinking this topic :-P
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Pandain
11-16-2013
03:42 PM ET (US)
is my reasoning actually bad im pretty confident or thought i was
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Pandain
11-16-2013
03:12 PM ET (US)
I heavily think Rayn is scum.

I also think BH is scum, since he didn't admit he was retarded if he was tracker claiming tracker that means he supposedly thought about it beforehand.

That's like cop claiming, you don't do it. His role is pretty important why claim tracker. If he's not, that invites actual trackers to claim. Don't like
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Pandain
11-16-2013
03:06 PM ET (US)
Btw since your town I'm also a veteran
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supersoft
11-16-2013
02:56 PM ET (US)
there is no new light. Both of them are useless trolls. Rayn even wants to lynch me. That idiot has no idea what he's doing.

I tried to get something useful out of rayn, when i wanted him to analyze kosh. He proved himself as completely useless back then and that is still the case.

Regarding BH i found something very interesting, i shared it in the thread!
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Pandain
11-16-2013
02:22 PM ET (US)
What do you think of Rayn and BH with new light. I think I'll vote you though who will you lynch as of now
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supersoft
11-16-2013
01:57 PM ET (US)
pandain, you fail to vote me. I am disappointed!
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supersoft
11-16-2013
11:45 AM ET (US)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946

look what VE did lategame. He did nothing. He got manipulated and almost modkilled.
You don't want him to be mayor. period.
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supersoft
11-16-2013
11:41 AM ET (US)
BH is probably scum...
mig is scum, too. coag is also one of my scumreads.

Yamato isn't scum, you're right there, but he's no player you want to see in office.
The day yamato gets elected into office over me, is the day I quit playing mafia.
If marv, syllo, sandro, wbg, palmar or toad or anyone reasonable would be in this game, besides BC and mig (he's scum though)
a Yamato mayor could NEVER happen. it blows my mind, that people consider voting for him.

Same applys to a lesser degree on VE. Yes he's town, so what? VE is writing everything down he's thinking as town, therefor he's easy to read. But he doesn't kill scum by that.

wait a second, I'll show you a game where I was scum and VE was town and I played him like a fiddle.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:15 AM ET (US)
What do you think about bh
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:11 AM ET (US)
Not scummy but bad
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:11 AM ET (US)
Actually yams recent post was pretty bad
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:09 AM ET (US)
Btw the above paranoia and such thing was a joke
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Pandain
11-16-2013
11:09 AM ET (US)
I already trust you I didn't mason you to find out if your town.

I think Yamato is really clearly town however. I also think he's not a dick as mayor which wouldn't relate to your scum hunting abilities.

I think hopeless and Rayn are good scum possibilities. The only thing holding me back from scum mig is I would've thought he would play better as scum if he were scum. Is that a wrong way to approach him?
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supers
11-16-2013
11:01 AM ET (US)
i dont play the game for you.
decide if you trust me or not

research me. I get shot almost every game at n1. if i survive i do horrible things to scumteams.

i need you to trust me on some things otherwise this QT is useless.
if you don't help me, you're pushing a scumagenda.
i dont want to cuddle with you around.
i want that you see that i am town, even though you want to believe i am scum, because you dont like me.

BC trusts me and he's undesputable an experienced and smart player.
VE trusts me, too.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
09:57 AM ET (US)
I feel like I'm not finding out much from you. Who do you think is town?
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Pandain
11-16-2013
09:39 AM ET (US)
I'm noting paranoia, unwillingness to work with others,
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supers
11-16-2013
09:11 AM ET (US)
lol you're scum. this conversation ends here.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:58 AM ET (US)
To clarify I think your claims are unwarranted he would be mayor in a game of mafia not a king of a nation. I don't believe he is paranoid( without reason), maybe selfish but I couldn't say, and he can be convinced like anyone else. You yourself could be said to have the characteristics you see in him
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:51 AM ET (US)
I'm not going to Unvote him for those reasons and why do you think BC is town.
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supers
11-16-2013
08:36 AM ET (US)
vote BC or me. It's important now.
I am probably going to slaughter mig. Got to discuss that with BC first.
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supers
11-16-2013
08:32 AM ET (US)
you need to unvote him. Yamato in office is a worst case scenario for us.
he is selfish, paranoid and no teamplayer. We cannot let this happen.
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Pandain
11-16-2013
08:27 AM ET (US)
Hi I'm going to be away from my desktop for like 12 hours. I think yam is town, he's been active throughout and I like his points. Also what I said about us having probably similar thoughts in this game if he's town is true.


Idk about mig I gave you all my reads. Do you agree on aka jabs. I confused him a bit with spaghetticus
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supers
11-16-2013
03:08 AM ET (US)
omg you need to unvote yamato right now -_-
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supers
11-16-2013
03:03 AM ET (US)
what do you think about mig?
who do you think should get elected?
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supersoft
11-16-2013
01:29 AM ET (US)
hi, I'll be here in about 6 hours. See you.
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Pandain
11-15-2013
08:36 PM ET (US)
Town: yam/ve/Mocsta/Skanjabs/Austin(less sure)/LoneMeow(masoned Yamato, lol scum isn't going to do that),Spaghettic(maybe, nothing to lend me as scum though he's not certain town. I like his post which while listy it was SO comprehensive so that made me think it's serious effort. At least not lynchable for this day, probably next)


Hopeless/Storr best scum reads. Storr is so playing newbie card it actually hurts. I hate how much he is appealing to it. And yet he's running for mayor what? Think BC is suspicious tbh but it's mainly that he's not focusing his scumreads and his reads were really bad and I do have a high opinion of his reads.

Artanis is also suspicious to me.


what do you think is a scum-tell for you and how do you approach the game differently.
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-15-2013
07:34 PM ET (US)
Pandain/supersoft Day1/Night1

supersoft
11-19-2013
08:13 PM ET (US)
EDIT
DELETE
wp really. But i don't remember, why i abandoned the idea that you're assassin :-D

GG man
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
08:03 PM ET (US)
gg friend.
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supersoft
11-19-2013
07:21 PM ET (US)
dunno i didnt really understand that part.
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
07:13 PM ET (US)
How do you say "He's unreadable" and then immediately say "I'm 100% sure he's going to flip red"?
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supersoft
11-19-2013
07:07 PM ET (US)
his reads yesterday:

I am going to have to take a step back from my tunneling ive been doing. I realize I am tunneling like I did against yamato only this time with grack -_-

As a note I strongly disagree with your pandain read. I also can see mig based off today potentially being town. I don't like his lack of participation in thread but he is actively updating his reads on his spreadsheet and when he posted today he was making sense as much as it pisses me off to admit.

Id place my reads more like

Town

Koshi
VE
You
Me
Artanis
OOHchild
Pandain

Null

Grack
Mig
Thrawn
Rayn
Lonemeow
Scum

Hopeless
BH

Leaning scum

Oats
Holyflare


__________________


i think he might have changed a few things lately.
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supersoft
11-19-2013
07:06 PM ET (US)
he was a little afraid at the time:

Honestly. The only person anyone is likely going to agree to lynch today is me if not BH. Im moderately selfish in the fact that well, I'd like to live.

BH is unreadable. I am 100% certain hes going to flip red. Id rather take the "safe" lynch to ensure mafia kp dropping. If we attempt to swamp it now so close to deadline im likely dying. If BH somehow flips green we know almost for sure grack is mafia. If he flips assassin then it removes him and 1 other player lowering our pool of players instantly by 2. Having a smaller pool to analyze and use the double lynch tommorrow to me is the safest and smartest play.
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
06:43 PM ET (US)
What has BC said about Oats in your chats with him? Because he seemed to lightly agree that he looked bad but everything he says is about someone different - which I'm fine with to a point, but in the context of THIS lynch, it seems like he should be more interested in consolidating onto someone rather than bring up candidates no one is talking about...
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supersoft
11-19-2013
06:38 PM ET (US)
yes exactly, ah i love to talk to people who actually try to understand what i am saying. I know i am sometimes not really on spot with my phrasing... Thats one of my weakpoints when playing mafia :D
And exactly what i want to train for RL. I mean you need to speak almost flawless english these days...

(Offtopic)
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
06:32 PM ET (US)
Yeah no, that makes total sense and is why initially I was with you on Oats in the first place. And his reaction imo to both of us targetting him was pretty telling imo. But yeah, with BH claiming everything under the sun and just fucking off what are we supposed to do? If he's town he's fucked us over and if he's scum he's like forcing us to lynch him pretty much.
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
06:30 PM ET (US)
Ah okay, and making Oats a candidate would have forced them to say something. Yeah that makes sense.
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supersoft
11-19-2013
06:24 PM ET (US)
ah now i understand - let me rephrase: There are people defending oats. I don't know what they really think, because they actually dont give any reasons for their reads
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supersoft
11-19-2013
06:23 PM ET (US)
ah no of course not.
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
06:21 PM ET (US)
Like what if we're wrong about BC and he's actually scum. Does that make either one of us scum? For thinking he's town?
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supersoft
11-19-2013
06:14 PM ET (US)
what?
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
06:10 PM ET (US)
That doesn't mean anything - thinking scum is town doesn't make someone scum SS. Are you scum?
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supersoft
11-19-2013
06:05 PM ET (US)
nono, there are few people that think that oats is town
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
05:59 PM ET (US)
I see no difference between the two. No one is defending Oats either because BH is a factor everyone just wants to kill BH. There's literally no difference between killing BH and Oats in terms of information gained this cycle.
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supersoft
11-19-2013
05:44 PM ET (US)
just discussed that with BC:

BH, I think he's unreadable. I think he might be scum, but I think it is better to lynch him with the doublelynch.
I mean there is almost no discussion about this lynch. Everyone is like yeah BH might be scum. If he flips green or assassin we got no further information for out doublelynch.
I prefer Oats today and BH tomorrow. Oats gives us information, so we can find a partner for BH much easier.

+ ScumKP won't go down in case we hit red today. They stay the same.
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supersoft
11-19-2013
04:31 PM ET (US)
i mean i try to look like i am trying. I hope he wakes up from this madness
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supersoft
11-19-2013
04:28 PM ET (US)
I try to get rayn lynched. I think we cannot win if he stays alive.
I am 100% sure, that almost noone follows this thread anymore. He's discussing townreads for millions of pages, this is just insane.
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-19-2013
12:31 PM ET (US)
K...
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Supers
11-19-2013
04:29 AM ET (US)
nono pandain masoned BC because i told him so.
BC and I are still masoned. He masoned me and I masoned you.
And BC masoning you wasn't strange, because he and I never worked together in any mafia game before...
I usually got him lynched ^_^
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
10:25 PM ET (US)
For the record, I knew ever since BC masoned me first instead of you. <3
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
10:24 PM ET (US)
Oh so this was PLANNED. So you and BC are scum TOGETHER and this was all PLANNED. Okay, thanks super! ^^
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
10:03 PM ET (US)
I was under the impression that there was a mason circle. With the circle broken there's no reason for me to keep it a secret any longer.
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
10:03 PM ET (US)
Yes obviously. You don't find it weird that he didn't mason you? You know, keep the circle going?
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Supers
11-18-2013
09:58 PM ET (US)
bc and pandain are masoned ^^
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Supers
11-18-2013
09:17 PM ET (US)
he's scum and now he's trying to confuse us and he's trying to get some mercy!
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
09:12 PM ET (US)
Fucking Oats dude. Like he doesn't even read. He doesn't care and he doesn't read and he could be any fucking alignment at all, there's no way of knowing. That's not playing Mafia, that's being an annoying little shit and ruining the game for everyone.
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
08:58 PM ET (US)
Was it so potent it assailed your dreams causing you to have nightmares?
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Supers
11-18-2013
08:57 PM ET (US)
lol. i woke up from the bullshit oatsmaster posted :D
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
08:03 PM ET (US)
The alternative is that BH really is an Assassin, claimed to the wrong guy, played an exceptionally bad game, and then got outted at the most inopportune time possible for him (when the mayor and pardoner come out of the woodwork and both agree on a target that was NOT him)

So you either think that the above is true, or you think that BH is either town or scum and fake-claimed two town powerroles and Assassin. I admit that either conclusion is hard to swallow - but I think the former is more likely, assuming BH is scum. I don't think a town BH would confound town like this.
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
07:43 PM ET (US)
Later dude.

His claim makes him scum basically, not third party.
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Supers
11-18-2013
07:36 PM ET (US)
lol now i am confused -_-
i am going to sleep now ^_^

cu tomorrow
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
07:27 PM ET (US)
omg classic BH.

We should probably just lynch it man. XD
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
07:22 PM ET (US)
Ooooh watch what happens when I do this.
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
07:20 PM ET (US)
Oh - Ya I don't know. I actually think BH might be an assassin, but I have /no/ idea what Coag is. He keeps saying he thinks it's weird how no one suspects him because of him not doing anything. Instead of...you know...doing something. It's really weird, and I'm not sure how to take it.
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Supers
11-18-2013
07:18 PM ET (US)
dunno... i think it's somehow fitting. I didn't think too much about it :D
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
07:16 PM ET (US)
Problem solved. What makes you think Coag is an assassin?
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
07:16 PM ET (US)
LMAO
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Supers
11-18-2013
07:15 PM ET (US)
thread ^_^
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
07:14 PM ET (US)
TELL ME!
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Supers
11-18-2013
07:13 PM ET (US)
i have an Idea!
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Supers
11-18-2013
07:13 PM ET (US)
true. Marv is the kind of guy who makes coagulation and BH assassins :D
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
07:10 PM ET (US)
It's just this game though, that's what gets me. It's /just/ this game where I'm having a hard time reading him. Generally I can at least say whether I think he's town or scum, but this game for some reason I'm having a hard time saying one way or the other. He's not playing like he has extra information, but he's not playing like he gives a shit about town winning either. Maybe he actually /is/ an assassin.
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Supers
11-18-2013
07:00 PM ET (US)
true... i can't read anything out of what BH produces. He could be anything...
I remember the days when we expected Kurumi to be unreadable...
What people do lately makes Kurumi look like the paragon of serious play :-(
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
06:52 PM ET (US)
Or I guess 49/49 or whatever because Assassins XD
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
06:51 PM ET (US)
For my part I'd say about 50/50. I like Oats for scum though.
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
06:51 PM ET (US)
Yeah I'm feelin that. FEELIN IT BRO.

What do you think the chances of hitting scum lynching BH are?
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Supers
11-18-2013
06:45 PM ET (US)
more scum btw:

pandain and mig.

townies:
BC
Grack
rayn
koshi
VE
artanis
OOHCHILD
Lonemoew
VA
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Supers
11-18-2013
06:44 PM ET (US)
we talked about it, but he didn't try to influence me there. I picked my target and told him after the deadline to make sure, if he's scum, he cannot change anything.
But all in all, i am confident he's town.
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Supers
11-18-2013
06:42 PM ET (US)
because i think that BC is town, and we have a towncircle.
Scum doesnt know that BC/you/me are connected.
If they know, they might suicide on me and we're all dead.

suicidebomber goes through my vest, your vest and obviously BC. :-o

And it's more fun to look at peoples reactions, when we stick together like glue.

And i can claim my RBings to you and if I die, you know who I blocked and you can use the information.
And I don't have to claim my RBs in the thread.
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
06:40 PM ET (US)
No did you discuss all that with him?
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
06:39 PM ET (US)
I'm struggling with keeping my mason information from town though - explain to me why I need to not explain to town who is masoning me right now.
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Supers
11-18-2013
06:39 PM ET (US)
did he tell you about the RBing stuff?
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
06:37 PM ET (US)
Ya no I don't wanna lynch BC yet - I just wanted to see your gut reaction when I said that.

My impression is town from my PMs with him, but understand that /I/ understand that BC is extraordinarily skilled in PMs and I'm giving that little weight. From what I've seen in the thread, I'm saying I think he's town.
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Supers
11-18-2013
06:36 PM ET (US)
is trust you btw :D
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Supers
11-18-2013
06:36 PM ET (US)
i need to know who shot mocsta and i want to know if scum shot sharrant or a vig/assassin.
Because I am townroleblocker and I blocked Oats.
Would be fantastic if one KP misses, because then Oats would be confirmed scum.
However oats didn't necessarily carry a scumKP.
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Supers
11-18-2013
06:35 PM ET (US)
no nvm i didnt tell him to. I just told him that he should convince you to vote for me
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Supers
11-18-2013
06:34 PM ET (US)
what? i told him to tell you my role!
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VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
06:33 PM ET (US)
He didn't. Give me a sec to go reread it but I may MAY be willing to lynch BC.
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Supers
11-18-2013
06:32 PM ET (US)
finally my QT arrives... I wanted to go to sleep!

So now let's talk about BC, what's your impression. What did he tell you about me.
Did he tell you my role? I think so right?
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marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted
11-18-2013
06:30 PM ET (US)
supersoft & VE mason, Day 2/Night 2