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austinmcc
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slam, please read the soft bits I posted to you. And maybe for a tiny bit you and rayn sit in separate parts of the thread. I AM PUTTING A LINE OF TAPE BETWEEN YOU TWO DO NOT CROSS INTO EACH OTHER'S THREAD SPACE. slam, the supersoft/BC stuff and maybe why LM, plox. rayn, HANDS OFF SLAM. | ||
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austinmcc
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On November 21 2013 11:13 supersoft wrote: Real post?scumteam is somewhere in this group: Oatsmaster, Pandain, Hopeless1der, Coagulation, (hiro) thrawn2112 Cuz there are 5 scum left. And you say that the scumteam is somewhere within these 5 people. And I kinda shake my head a little and wonder why you clamor so hard for a vest. | ||
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austinmcc
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On November 21 2013 11:20 supersoft wrote: It may be a native/non-native thing, unsure.yeah. scumteam is these 5 people. so what? Saying "somewhere in this group" implies that...you have a group of people and you think the scum is scattered in there somewhere. Like, here are 8 names, the 5 scum are in here somewhere in this group. But giving a list of 5 names when we have 5 scum left is just "here are all the scum." They're not SOMEWHERE IN that group, that group would be your scumteam. | ||
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(1) Why believe that mig is fakeclaiming rather than rayn or vayne? (or at least you appear focused on him, although I know you present the rayn/mig choice to everyone. Also, vayne claimed hatter as well) (2) If mig is NOT a town vigi, then you're presenting the following scenario --> scum shot sharrant N1, either with factional KP (mig is lying about vigi, no factional KP was rbed) or with vigi (mig is scum vigi, factional KP was rbed). Why does mafia, with EITHER kind of KP on N1, shoot sharrant? He was not particularly townie. He was not particularly active. In the world where mig is NOT a town vigi, either a REAL town vigi has not counterclaimed the shot (unlikely) OR scum chose to shoot sharrant over yourself (who you, I assume, are arguing is town) or others. Why does scum shoot sharrant N1? | ||
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Except...I feel like you have merged with rayn. raynycobbler or bloodypelikoneet. I can understand someone saying "ME SO SAD YOU NO DIE" when they have KP and were planning on shooting you, then got mindgamed out of it by another guy with a shot, only to find out the other guy didn't shoot either. That scenario makes plenty of sense as one to say "it would have been nice if you'd died." mig wanted to shoot you, artanis wanted to shoot you, but neither did, oopsies. Sure do wish you got shot. Why is it that you only interpret his statement as foreknowledge of your continued survival, and not as "shucks, wish I'd shot me some BCs"? | ||
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austinmcc
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On November 21 2013 14:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Quoting this because a line here is possibly relevant laaaaaaaaaaaaaterwhat fucking reason? You seriously believe you can make some bullshit excuse on why you didnt shoot me all because artanis claimed he was going to? You admit you expected to die. You admit you were sure he was being rbed As such why the fuck didn't you shoot me? You say in which scenario where mafia wants to kill me. Guess what, I think your mafia and you didnt shoot me, thus hey, we are in a scenario in which mafia didn't want to kill me. If you were 99% sure that without your shot I wasn't dying and don't shoot me (your top scum read) then you are fucking scum. Its an obvious setup to a misslynch. And as for snap believe rayn and VA? i still think one of them is likely lying as well. Because again, 6 town kp is fucking retarded broken vs 6 scum. I don't believe town has 7+ non mason roles. But hey, maybe this is cause marv has been around long enough to not only see some of the flames hosts have gotten for that shit hes heard it more than once from people he talks to. I currently however am looking strongly at the one guy who has claimed a role + acted in a way that screams fucking scum. | ||
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austinmcc
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On November 21 2013 14:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: HolyFlare seems too delighted every time he finds a little quote or slip or something to be scum. No those are my top 3. Anyone all game would realize ive pushed grack since day 1 and is obviously my #1 on my list. Nice try tho scum. mig is trying to refute your arguments risen is trying to show how much he's not trying oats is doing something i'm occasionally tossing you questions HolyFlare is actively digging back through your filter and into mason chats (ss/pandain), digging up little things and running to thread with them going LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK. I mean that in a good way, I just like that metaphor. I don't buy him for scum at all right now. Again, he appears to be reading, then ACTIVELY FOLLOWING UP ON STUFF, and moving forward with it. Dat ain't da scum way. | ||
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austinmcc
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Personal opinion is that today we have some MAJOR warring factions, and the first order of business is to clean some of that out. Like, supersoft/BC and some other stuff all connected, and we start at the top of that and unravel as we go. Personal opinion is that we don't lynch townies to make things blow up. Personal opinion is that hopeless actually looks semi-good, because while he IS doing something similar to BC's Fuckapalooza 2013, hopeless is RIGHT in that all this speculation is clogging up the thread and is...just speculation. Now is not the time. We look at play. We look at reads of the folks who have been NKed. We look at play this game compared to others. But we don't KNOW how many blue roles/KP/vets are what, and it's .... less helpful to discuss about that so much instead of actually zeroing in on who has played scummy regardless of everything else. His outbursts, aimed at saying that, lead towards a townier thread. BC calling everyone idiots did not. Their rage posts may look similar, but they go different directions. For me, the major candidates are BC, supersoft, LM. Secondary options are stuff like oats, grack, whatever. I want to look through this some more though, to make sure I'm not just entirely wrong here, and to really poke around and make sure that urrbody who looks opposite each other IS. Whoever asked about the main case on LM, I don't believe there is one. I know I have a couple posts scattered throughout my filter, and others do as well. Maybe some enterprising youngster can slap em together. | ||
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austinmcc
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He asks Onegu about rayn, oats, and pandain. He pokes at slam a little. He asks pandain whether pandain's read on Mig has changed, halfway follows up on that Q with another about Mig. Asks Risen why Risen wants to lynch Pandain, why is Pandain scum? Then, within like 2-3 hours of the pandain questions about mig and the risen question, his top reads are BH/HF/pandain. I don't like the progression for a number of reasons:
Later on, when asked for reads by kush, LM's top reads are pandain/mig/myself. Which would be GREAT is that was continuous, if he finds mig scummy and thinks pandain's flip floppy read on mig at some point didn't make sense, BOOM, there's a dude putting pieces together. Instead it reads like a mishmash of reads, and questions that don't go anywhere. You can also see him respond to posts that are 40 minutes, an hour old, indicating that he's reading the game and following along. But his play is severely limited to mainly answering questions, and apart from a few proactive questions on D2 there's no proactivity. Those proactive questions are also the ones that sort of petered out (Asking onegu about people that were never followed up on). Again, I really want to talk with him and see what he is thinking and maybe have him take some stances on some of the BC/supersoft/oats nonsense. | ||
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On November 22 2013 04:18 Grackaroni wrote: What change of mind?Austin what was the reason for the change of mind on Thrawn? | ||
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austinmcc
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/oldmanrant It's like the weather. My left knee started hurting, and that let me know that a low thread pressure system was coming in. In this case, we had a BC front mixing with an easterly supersoft front, and some sublimated oatsmaster being caught up in the ... downdrifts. That's a recipe for a mighty fierce storm, and the winds from that storm are going to pick up threadcows and throw threadpineneedles through trees, and cause all sorts of thread destruction. The township of thrawn, however, appears to be outside of that mess. It's built on a fault line, but the threadstorm won't be swinging through. THIS IS ALL A TERRIBLE METAPHOR AND I'M JUST HAVING FUN. You're right that thrawn should be right there with LM. I'm thinking about this now, but I 100% think we need to lynch into BC/supersoft, both to kill scum and to ... get some things sorted out. Get information on people, get people from being sidetracked on that for longer, etc. Thrawn is scummy to me, but he's not involved in anything that's messing up the thread right now. LM ALSO is not, so that's valid. I don't think I feel confident enough, right now, to identify two super duper definite scum within BC/supersoft/oats, and I don't know that there ARE two there, so I probably end up wanting to lynch LM or thrawn. You right, he should be on there if LM is. | ||
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austinmcc
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On November 22 2013 04:29 Coagulation wrote: Guess!austin whats your read on me? Why are you even listening to grack anymore? | ||
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On November 22 2013 04:47 Coagulation wrote: Why? Your leaning town on me last I checked.  | ||
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austinmcc
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On November 22 2013 04:57 Coagulation wrote: That was actually frighteningly spot on, although I mainly only remember a game with you where we were both scum, you replaced in, and proceeded to do absolutely nothing except occasionally check what day it was.cause im pretty useless as town and totally useless as scum | ||
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austinmcc
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On November 22 2013 05:05 Coagulation wrote: People who go "oats perfectly capable of being dumb/changing reads at random as town" are correct (in saying that, not necessarily in their reads). I don't have a great feel on him right now, but I don't think supersoft's claimed RB is so foolproof that I want to lynch into oats based on that.fantastic. did you care to elaborate on my suspicions of oats? Essentially, I think anyone who REALLY wants to lynch oats today over other candidates is heavily factoring in the claimed RB, which is a lot mushier than it's being made out to be (we KNOW we had a doc, we don't know what else is out there, blah blah). | ||
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austinmcc
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Coag. On November 21 2013 14:56 Coagulation wrote: Can you get into this a little more? You think that on his own merits he reads as town? Or you like the way his reads line up with the way you view the game, so you're more inclined to find them townie? Or...something else?BC doesnt read scum to me. | ||
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On November 22 2013 05:22 Coagulation wrote: Is that basically it? I'm fine with that as a read, but I think that's a fine post to make as whatever alignment, and I think you can really genuinely call pages of setup speculation and crap shitty, even if you're mafia. Thread can be hard to read for mafia too I have seen scum BC many times and I very rarely get town feels from him when hes town but the way he was talking this game about playing shitty and being frustrated with the current state of game was extremely genuine based on my experience with him? If you cut out those bits, you're still cool with him? | ||
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