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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 06:50 GMT
#2928
Hey man I was pretty certain he was mafia
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 06:59 GMT
#2936
On November 18 2013 15:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 15:42 Pandain wrote:
No, it's not even about bad.

Why would scum fake claim 6 hours before?

because yamato wanted to kill him and he possibly couldnt post between 6-0 before the deadline.
Why would town fake claim 6 hours before?


Oh stop he posted afterwards

and it makes sense if you don't want to get lynched and don't have time to fully commit day one as town.

This is the last I'll post of this since Grack wants me to stop, though I'm a bit irritated he doesn't see that I'm not even concerned about BH that much anymore
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 07:25 GMT
#2963
On November 18 2013 16:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 15:50 Pandain wrote:
Hey man I was pretty certain he was mafia


pandain can you answer this?

Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 14:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 18 2013 14:40 Pandain wrote:
On November 18 2013 14:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 18 2013 14:30 Pandain wrote:
No because scum doesn't tell someone they fake-claim due to being busy. That seems more like a townie thing to do.


earlier you said if BH is town then that changes everything about how you view the game. has it and if so how?


Yes I'm learning I still have a lot to learn


i'm not talking about how to play mafia... i'm wanting to know how/if your other reads have changed or if you've gained any new ones as a result of all this


you said:

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On November 18 2013 10:53 Pandain wrote:
Actually if I'm wrong about BH then I'm going to be wrong in a lot of stuff and have to basically rethink everything I think about mafia.

hmmm


this implies that a change in your BH read will greatly influence your thoughts on this current game. so has it?



No I meant how to play mafia and I would be wrong on how I approach the game and think things
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 07:38 GMT
#2978
On November 18 2013 16:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 16:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 18 2013 16:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 18 2013 16:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 18 2013 16:21 Blazinghand wrote:
it's not clear to me why grack is suddenly a bad lynch btw

because Grackaronis are always town.


dude this is 100% the type of thing that BH and I talked about in qt. you randomly go from serious to trolling and it looks like you're switching between them based on whatever is going to help you be ignored or not taken seriously. I asked you a question a page or two ago, can you get to it

Yeah let's do grack today honestly he's just doing this thing to stay off the radar.

##vote grackaroni

lol I'm like the only person doing much of anything and you complain that I make comments like I normally do in order to make people take me less seriously. That's absurd. I say things like that every game I play and you play with me all the time.

You are full of shit. I went back into Golden Sun. Your entire claim that game was an S = Survivor, which was taken from a random S + Q within your post. When people asked you what the Q was you went. "Whaaaaat? You think I'm just going to leave a random S in my post? Get real!"

This claim was more methodical. You didn't just happen to make that reference in your first line in your first post. You pre-planned the connection for a tracker claim.


no they were both bullshit
+ Show Spoiler +
what pandain stop commenting on BH even though you're helping me
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 07:40 GMT
#2982
stop I have no opinions on anything besides BH and SS
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 07:42 GMT
#2984
BH I'm assuming you think Thrawn is town?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 07:45 GMT
#2987
Grack anyone can make any claim out of anything. Just because it's convuluted doesn't mean it's methodical and pre-planned it's just mean its verbose bullshit. I mean he had extremely extremely flimsy connections
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 20:40 GMT
#3326
Rayn SS was basically mayor since VE was afk, and he wanted to lynch Mocsta. That's pretty evident enough.

He also has done analysis, his mason with me was very good and he gave thoughts on lots of people. Stop harassing him
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 21:36 GMT
#3334
I disagree that Mocsta acting differently then he does to normal scummates means much. At most you can say it's different, you can't draw a scum read from that alone.

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 21:43 GMT
#3335
Mocsta and I coached a game together for newbies. Going to give some relevant quotes he gave since he was coaching scum


The top 2 lynch candidates are both town. Do you really need to do these shenanigans?
I would consider instead to cast shit on the people that led the lynch onto the two town wagons (hopefully they arent scum) --- > setting them up for lynch day 2.


That is solid advice.

My extra bit is:
(1) Identify the core issue that town has with you.
(this should be clear from the case)
(2) Come up with a reason for this behaviour [You can ask us for advice here - to be frank, I havent read the game since the NK]

(3) PROVIDE A COUNTER-CASE.

Its all good diverting attention; but you need to give town another bone to pick with. This is essential; and is the quintessential hallmark of strong town play.

"Im town you idiots... this is the guy you should be focusing on"


And most improtantly this

Also, I disagree that GGTemplar should help SagaZ. [But that is because Me/Pandain play scum differently. There is no right/wrong; just a matter of preference]

In my opinion: if SagaZ looks like being an imminent lynch, Templar needs to jump on that wagon ASAP to retain that town status.

The key to this (if you choose to go this path) is to not mull over alternatives too hard.. this will make the bus look obvious.
The best way is to have a case on somebody else, and you keep saying.. well Saga could be scummy; but this guy <insert whoever> is DEFINITELY scummy. I have to vote for the best chance to flip scum. etc etc.

If possible; GGTemplar comes out first with counter case; and SagaZ should counter-case on somebody else (or again, will look like team work)... If sagaz looks real bad, maybe counter case on Balla (which will make balla look better post-flip)

He advocates bussing but never outright bussing. Others have said he has never bussed before. I agree he would not bus Grack in this case
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 22:23 GMT
#3341
On November 15 2013 21:19 Onegu wrote:
Hello fellow team liquidians. Sorry I have been busy for the day. Im am also going to run for mayor.

First if I am elected I will not listen to anyone as they may corrupt my thoughts, and you dont want a corrupt mayor.

Second I will not shoot at scum with my day one lynch, I will find and kill 3p, this gets rid of two people that do not have pro town ideals, instead of just one.

With this in mind it is obvious I am the best choice for mayor.


UNCORRUPTABLE FOR LXIII

PS from this game on I will put sorry in every first post every game.

PPS Yes Im serious


This is really bad Onegu.
A mayor promising to lynch third party?

If this is serious it's so ridiculous he's probably scum.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote:
Also rayn I dont like how HF doesnt give many hard raeds on his own, but asks people for thier thoughts on them.


Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 12:05 Holyflare wrote:
fml I had to write this out twice because I had so many tabs open ~_~


@ rayn's post earlier: Here

You claim that my case was in fact bad but then you agree with everything that I had specifically laid out within it, what gives? Did you just not read it? Clearly there were no good reads at that present time and for a mayor to be established reads must be thrown around, which is exactly what I was saying. Your choice of mayor is based entirely off if you agree with their reads? Why?

You also debase the entirety of it because of the one line that said if "I failed to lynch my top scum readS". The plurality in reads assumes that one would live past day 1 and be able to use their double voting power as you cannot lynch multiple reads on day 1.


There is also:

On November 15 2013 10:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay ignoring Risen for the rest of D1.



You were scum partners with risen in heavyweight. You know he is crazy and will literally do anything or write anything to win. How can you be so quick to have a town read on him based off of a post? He has won world champs and also has the "best mafia play" award or whatever. To quite openly say you will not read him for the rest of day 1 is making me apprehensive to say the least.

____________________________________________________________________________

@rest of the town
Also some other things that struck me as odd;

Hopeless' start to the game:

On November 15 2013 08:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE you got some credentials? How many successful mayor campaigns have you run?


I've played one game with this guy and in that game (he was town) at the very start he was trying to contribute to current conversations and get things talking. This games start has been very lackluster from him. After asking VE about his past mayor games VE responds that he has been mayor once and he died night 1.

By no means are they solid credentials in any terms. His contributions were just useless "won't vote for kush" posts. He then drops his mayor vote onto VE after hearing about his 1 game experience and leaves the thread.

_____________________________________________________________________________________

I'm actually leaning a bit more suspiciously towards rayn right now; however I thought it was interesting to see these 2 posts just as I refreshed.


+ Show Spoiler +
On November 15 2013 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 11:05 Risen wrote:
I'll vote anyone who makes their platform lynching rayn.

You get modkilled for not voting. :p

What's wrongwith Oats this game? He's like a bit more dick than usually.



On November 15 2013 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what I dont like about Mocsta's mayor post is that its very staged and rehearsed. Which obviously is scummy because town dont need to make up shit and make sure it sounds nice.

The thing with Storrzerg, like the stuff he says is objectively scummy. Sure. Noob claiming and all that. But town do it too.
On the other hand, he doesnt normally post so reservedly.
So in conclusion, I am null on Storrzerg and null on Mocsta.

Oats baby.

Read my case again

I gave one of stores first posts from Hogwarts. A similar sized game.

He came out guns blazing. The analysis was wrong. But more importantly it was there, unlike this game.


Oats, shy are you so prickly this game.
Normally you are obnoxious, but tidY you feel venomous.


Why so angry? P.s. I'm more referring to your interactions with V.E



Obviously no associative tells between unflipped players yada yada but I find it "psychologically intriguing" when people bring up similarities like that. Obviously if you are scum, the posts that stick out to you the most are your scum partners and so you can subconsciously repeat them etc. However, this is a lackluster point to say the least just something I'd thought I'd note.





Here he makes a very small point on hopelesses first post. And that his contributions are useless.

Then he tells Mattchew he should look into hopeless because he has played with him in Hogwarts


Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 12:54 Holyflare wrote:
On November 15 2013 12:54 Mattchew wrote:
VE who shoudl i look at?


Hopeless. You played with him in hogwarts. What is your take on him this game?



He doesnt add anything. At this point Hopeless filter is very short and no where near a hot button topic so why have mattchew take a closer look at him.

Then out of no where comes HF asking the thread about mattchew when HF hasnt talked about mattchew yet.


Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:
Can someone give me their take on mattchew please? I'm having a hard time untangling his posts.

Like.... it's all crap, he even asked on who he should look into and didn't end up doing that but also posts something like:

On November 15 2013 12:47 Mattchew wrote:
Yam and mocsta are town but i dont agree with Mocsta's case on Storr. I saw his conclusion, read storrs filter for myself, then read his case, and reconsidered but was not swayed into putting storr anywhere but neutral. Storr is going to play different, because he comes from a different type of mafia. Mocsta sometimes equivocates different to scum
.

Mattchew, what is your take on hopeless and rayn? I know you've now played with both because of hogwarts so what is your view on them at this present time?

________________________________________________________

For everyone else, much like grack, mattchew came out of the woodwork to post a point relating to mocsta/storr and apart from that has really added nothing. His other "content" is just calling people town etc. He makes the effort to "read" the filter of one player but has no evidence of that for any other player, despite many being mentioned in the game. Would you be comfortable lynching this way, because I would.



Then again he asks Mattchew for his thoughts on hopeless which he only talked about one time, and rayn.


Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 14:37 Holyflare wrote:
On November 15 2013 14:35 Alakaslam wrote:

he has taken up the position as the leader of RNG lynches ever since the downfall of Palmar. Now quit changing the subject you silly Alaskan lamb; where can we find this scum remover and can you be more flexible on price?

You can get it from deep CHUPAZI, I am not sure what they would charge

I troll no further albeit tempting

Not actually sure if I can deliver on that promise



Your take on mattchew please? Also I want to hear more opinions on rayn, don't want to let him pass unchecked.



He hasnt added anything to the discussion but continues to just ask peoples opinion.


Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 14:20 Holyflare wrote:
What does scum matt look like then?

Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 15:00 Holyflare wrote:
Either way, he isn't here and I've linked all that needs to be linked. What do you think of rayn so far. I know you had some back and forths last game. Has your read on him improved because of hogwarts or not?



Without adding anything to the discussion he tries to look active by just asking questions.


Also pretty bad analysis because he was probably doing more then anyone else and still analyzing. + Show Spoiler +
I think Holy is suspicious, haven't analyzed him yet though.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 22:29 GMT
#3342
Besides that though Onegu is probably town, that bad analysis is contrasted with a plethora of analysis' later and onegu is usually a lurker.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 19 2013 03:06 GMT
#3502
On November 19 2013 12:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually worst-case scenario is we lynch a Town Tracker....right?

Nah worse is he's actually doctor hahaha
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 19 2013 04:41 GMT
#3509
What are you hoping to accomplish with that considering you have no case and aren't arguing really for or against it
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 19 2013 05:15 GMT
#3510
Rayn I assume you're masoned with Thrawn, what do you think of him so far?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 19 2013 05:43 GMT
#3511
On November 19 2013 01:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._.

Track results? I guess no one cares, and since BH still hasnt posted them I have to assume he doesn't have them.
##Vote: Blazinghand

@Austin if BH ends up claiming your actions correctly, you're the only one that can stop us from mislynching.



Does this literally mean you aren't reading the thread at all because it was 100% obvious by then if you were reading the thread that he fakeclaimed
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 19 2013 06:01 GMT
#3513
On November 19 2013 03:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
dat list post

town: Thrawn, Grack, Me, Rayne, Risen, Mr. CC, Artanis, Oats

Slightly town: Koshi, Coag, Pandain, Supersoft

Slightly scum: BC, VE, austinmcc, kush

Not Town: LM, BH

Unknowns: mattchew, mig, onegu, hopeless, stutters, HF, Slam



Can you explain your town reads especially on Rayn, Risen, CC
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 19 2013 06:03 GMT
#3514
On November 19 2013 03:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
The only real tie-in coag has would be if VE was scum, and that remains to be seen. otherwise I would put him in confirmed town


I think your reasoning for this is false and I find Coagulation suspicious. He actually does more as town in the games I went over then in his scum game(although admittedly he had replaced in it.)

Prove to me he does nothing as scum, I think he does very little as either alignment but he is far more evident in his opinions as town while he just relishes in lurking as scum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 19 2013 06:11 GMT
#3516
On November 19 2013 15:07 LoneMeow wrote:
Pandain, you wanted Mig lynched earlier, has your read on him changed and if so, what made that happen?

I think Mig is extremely solidly town. His notes page he linked previously is online and still visible to actually see in fact.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag5xQ7DQZXySdGlfcWVTaE5qbUJ3Wm91TUFGSFJsS0E&usp=sharing

The fact he is updating these without flaunting his notes or mentioning them leads me to believe they're honest notes. Furthermore, Mig doesn't pull these kinds of meta tricks nor would he have time to(in my opinion playing with him in Whiteflag).

He has constantly updated them, changed reads, and the reasons are valid enough.

Mig and SS are my strongest town reads.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 19 2013 06:11 GMT
#3517
Mig you should take that down and transfer it to private notes
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