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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 07:14 GMT
#2956
Oats, what were the things that VE did that screamed town to you?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 07:16 GMT
#2957
Yeah that doesn't sound good BH. Somebody that has never fakeclaimed as town before comes into the game with a mindset of, "I wonder what breadcrumb I'm going to leave in my first post. Going to need a good one to get through my busy schedule."
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 07:22 GMT
#2961
On November 18 2013 16:21 Blazinghand wrote:
it's not clear to me why grack is suddenly a bad lynch btw

because Grackaronis are always town.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 07:32 GMT
#2970
On November 18 2013 15:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 15:01 Grackaroni wrote:
I still think Koshi is likely scum but I want to hear more from BH. I also haven't peeked into Oats' filter since the start of the game so I will take a look at him.


you've had a decently long convo with him (oats) so what do you think now?

btw I agree with you about koshi. my read on him right now is completely based off the super strong super townie connection I had with him in WC and i'm eagerly looking forward to getting to talk to him 1 on 1 to follow up that read.

you were one of the people I was looking at pre D2 but with the direction mocsta seemed tobe heading I'm not so sure about that read anymore. I do have a question for you....

earlier you said this:

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On November 18 2013 10:29 Grackaroni wrote:
It would be pretty cool if all the scum end up being the people pushing me.


can you elaborate on exactly what you were thinking at the time you wrote this? obviously mocsta fits that category but who else? there were lots of people on your case, which of them are scum? you must have had a least a few people in mind

I'm get a pretty good vibe off of Oats right now. I haven't reread his filter I've just been chatting so far. Comment meant nothing. It was just because I liked that it was scum pushing my lynch and would like to believe that other people pushing me are also scum. Pandain/BC/VE/BH all fit that category off the top of my head. Should actually be a decent number of scum in there too.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 07:36 GMT
#2976
On November 18 2013 16:26 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 16:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 18 2013 16:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 18 2013 16:21 Blazinghand wrote:
it's not clear to me why grack is suddenly a bad lynch btw

because Grackaronis are always town.


dude this is 100% the type of thing that BH and I talked about in qt. you randomly go from serious to trolling and it looks like you're switching between them based on whatever is going to help you be ignored or not taken seriously. I asked you a question a page or two ago, can you get to it

Yeah let's do grack today honestly he's just doing this thing to stay off the radar.

##vote grackaroni

lol I'm like the only person doing much of anything and you complain that I make comments like I normally do in order to make people take me less seriously. That's absurd. I say things like that every game I play and you play with me all the time.

You are full of shit. I went back into Golden Sun. Your entire claim that game was an S = Survivor, which was taken from a random S + Q within your post. When people asked you what the Q was you went. "Whaaaaat? You think I'm just going to leave a random S in my post? Get real!"

This claim was more methodical. You didn't just happen to make that reference in your first line in your first post. You pre-planned the connection for a tracker claim.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 07:43 GMT
#2986
BH if you would like I will dig through all of your role claims for my own amusement and prove that you should view your sock-head comment as a valid breadcrumb. You have already claimed scum to me at this point.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 07:58 GMT
#2992
I'm too lazy to search through all of the BH games and look for BH breadcrumbs. Here is somebody that understands the way that BH normally breadcrumbs his role. The sock head connection in this game is a standard BH role claim and him claiming that his role claim was weak in order to defend himself assures me that he is scum.
On September 15 2013 04:06 strongandbig wrote:
Just checking in. Good to see oats is up to his usual self. (In terms of confusing everyone)

Zealos has done nothing to change my read on him and I wish my last minute vote switch push on him had worked.

Also a thought - bh could be SK.

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On September 14 2013 07:17 Old Partner wrote:
On September 14 2013 07:15 Zealos wrote:
That's not really much of a crumb?


Oh, gee, I'm sorry, was my SURVIVOR crumb not obvious enough to you? Look, there aren't other roles that start with S. I crumbed an S.

Lol. How didnt anyone else comment on this.

There are many ways his breadcrumb could lead to serial killer instead of survivor but I like this:
"SQ stands for Spending Quotient (google "Starcraft SQ"), which refers to the consistency with which you take regular actions to kill your opponent (macro). A serial killer kills every night, taking regular actions to kill his opponent. I am the serial killer."

Or alternatively:
"SQ stands for Squirtle, a Starcraft player (google "Starcraft sq", Squirtle is the first autosuggestion). Squirtle is famous for all killing fOu in one of the early GSTLs. I am aiming to all kill town and scum because I am the serial killer."

I would actually believe either of those over the explanation given by bh himself. Both because it's wrong (there are more than one role starting with s) and because it does not resemble at all bh's usual breadcrumbs, which are both cleverer and often Starcraft based (see the last time he breadcrumbed SK).

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 08:03 GMT
#2994
He didn't even just say it was weak. He said it was weaker than S = Survivor, which BH pulled out of his ass the minute after he narrowly dodged the day1 lynch by ninja voting. BH is full of shit.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 08:55 GMT
#2999
I just glanced through BH's filter again and he made my case for me by including his normal breadcrumbs and how proud he is of them earlier in this game. BH's scum play is laughable.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 15:53 GMT
#3126
lol troll team I love it. Grack/kush/coag/vayne/alakaslam/(mocsta? I guess his cases are kind of trollish?)
I shall lead you to success my fellow scum!
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 16:12 GMT
#3139
On November 18 2013 16:18 Blazinghand wrote:
Well I hate to say it to you grack but that breadcrumb was by far the shittest bread crumb i've ever claimed to have, including the "squm" crumb. Like ok for real 1) "hey" is not a bread crumb 2) the amount of work it took to make "sock-head" into "cop" (which, by the way, isn't even tracker) was phenomenal. I was just making fun of the pant-head meme. The fact that anyone even believed it for a second is just... well it's something all right.

If he is going to lie about his fake claim breadcrumb being added at the start of the game then he is scum. This is how BH normally breadcrumbs and he is very proud of the random connections he makes that form his breadcrumbs. He has never fake claimed before as town. BH lynch is a slam dunk.
On November 17 2013 04:29 Blazinghand wrote:
MYJ is a transposition of MJY. MJY is the initials of the famous bw player savior, so that night I saved Velinath

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&currentpage=58#1150

beggar man is from John le Carre's Tinker Tailor soldier Spy. As the rhyme goes, tinker tailor soldier sailor and so on and the "beggar man" is the code name for a guy who did not turn out to be the mole, hence was innocent, so i'm crumbing a green check

you clearly don't even understand the level i crumb on


On November 17 2013 04:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 04:28 supersoft wrote:
On November 17 2013 04:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 17 2013 04:23 Pandain wrote:
On November 17 2013 04:20 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 17 2013 04:20 Pandain wrote:
Is it a real claim BH


um

yes duh this is how I normally crumb

What do you think about the fact your going to get roleblocked

if I get RBed I'm still better off than getting lynched D1 by a pant-head

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&currentpage=20#396
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328827&currentpage=22#428

some classic BH crumbs for you


How the hell is some crumb alignment indicative?

what am I doing here... I am talking to someone who crumbs tracker with panthead. wow.


sock head, not pant head. the whole idea is sock head is not something anyone normally says, but reading it doesn't tell you who I am until I explain it (ie, sock head -> soccer head -> football head -> arnold from hey arnold is called a football head, the sentence starts with "hey" -> arnold = cops in tl mafia culture -> i'm the tracker)
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 16:16 GMT
#3143
On November 19 2013 01:12 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._.

Track results? I guess no one cares, and since BH still hasnt posted them I have to assume he doesn't have them.
##Vote: Blazinghand

@Austin if BH ends up claiming your actions correctly, you're the only one that can stop us from mislynching.


lol I told you guys this wasn't reading the thread.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 16:25 GMT
#3153
On November 19 2013 01:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie?


Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1.

Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game.

Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.

Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that.

Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"?

Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse?


His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack.

Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta?



its how I'd read it yes. I can say as someone whos done some filter diving that mocsta wasn't really heavily picked up as a potential mafia by many people until after the bit between the two and grack was one of the more vocal people about the push. Could I be wrong? yes, but its completely out of place reaction type. If you don't believe my conclusion the information I used is open to anyone else to analyze.

He didn't seem to like Artanis either but you are right that Mocsta actually does seem really angry towards me.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 16:30 GMT
#3163
On November 19 2013 01:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 01:25 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie?


Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1.

Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game.

Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound.

Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that.

Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"?

Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse?


His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack.

Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta?



its how I'd read it yes. I can say as someone whos done some filter diving that mocsta wasn't really heavily picked up as a potential mafia by many people until after the bit between the two and grack was one of the more vocal people about the push. Could I be wrong? yes, but its completely out of place reaction type. If you don't believe my conclusion the information I used is open to anyone else to analyze.

He didn't seem to like Artanis either but you are right that Mocsta actually does seem really angry towards me.


lo grack wtf is this? are you agreeing with BC that you're scum?

I'm actually kind of curious about why he was so angry towards me. I don't think I did anything mean to him this game. Might just be jealous that I saw through his scum play without even trying.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 18 2013 20:02 GMT
#3299
On November 15 2013 08:38 Coagulation wrote:
im gonna vote VE for mayor he has consistently lynched scum day 1 as town mayor at omgus.net
I can back it with links if yall want.


On November 19 2013 04:50 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 04:25 Mig wrote:
On November 19 2013 04:15 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mig, is that just an errant thought or do you think VE is scummy for it? Look how many of his initial scumlist flipped town from this post:

The NK's make VE look so bad, there is no way hes scum to me.


So a bunch of people on VE's scumlist being revealed as town makes him town to you? Also, he backtracked on that list and posted Skanj4b, Pandain, hiro protagonist, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster as his list for who he would lynch into.

I am less concerned with the NKs and more concerned with the fact VE had like 9 pages of filter day1 while running for mayor and since becoming mayor hes done exactly nothing.


ve town mayor meta is play balls to the wall day 1 and then mislynch and putz around feeling sorry for himself rest of game. he could be scum tho just not cause hes doin nuthin now.

rofl wat?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 19 2013 01:18 GMT
#3431
Blazinghand Blazinghand Blazinghand
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 19 2013 01:45 GMT
#3433
I have spoken with Blazinghand, and he has informed me that he is in fact a 4th party planar dragon. He is also a self-aware death miller. I regret to inform you that both Blazinghand's phone and computer were stolen on his first day of work at his new job. He will no longer be posting for the duration of this game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 19 2013 01:54 GMT
#3439
In other news, a vicious gang of sock heads are rumored to have been ravaging palmars across the country.
The Kushm4sta had this to say: "wat"
More to come at 11.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 19 2013 02:14 GMT
#3465
Oats 100% town. I'm being completely serious.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
November 19 2013 02:19 GMT
#3470
On November 19 2013 11:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 11:14 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats 100% town. I'm being completely serious.

Yeah so is VE. But this is kinda funny.
Watch or tell them to stop?

I think we ruined the vibe.
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