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On November 04 2013 09:22 EchelonTee wrote: Kind of strange to say "ususual win-con" as opposed to just "other than our win-con". How do YOU think Witchcraft should be handled? It might be an idea for people to claim who they voted 72 hours ago. Those people are no longer blue and therefore dont have to worry about silver bullets anymore. Since roles are moving people might as well claim esults of cop checks etc at the same time. We might want to think about a best order for claims if we do something like that. The only downside that I immediately see is that if people vote for the same people day after day, it will be very obvious who the witch hunters should shoot (if we are claiming). But since we want the cop checks claimed anyway (I presume) we probably should not keep voting for the same people anyway. Afterall, the scum witchcraft powers are not that scary. Roleblock is annoying but I would rather east a roleblock than a silver bullet anyway. Also, if people claim when they are roleblocked and 72 hours later people claim their votes then we might get a shortlist of people who were able to be the roleblocker. Scum mason power isn't worrying either. There is no good reason for town to mason in this game, because if you accidentally mason a scum then they are going to shoot you. Therefore might aswell assume that if someone masons you then they are scum. So yeah, with the scum powers not being too strong, I suggest altering voting patterns and claiming votes 72 hours later. | ||
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On night X+1, each person claims what actions they took on night X (if any). Then each person claims who they voted for on day X. The three people who used actions should be roughly the same three people who had the most votes. It could be slightly out as we would be missing information from the people who died on Day X (if town), night X and Day X+1. Come to think of it with up to three people's votes missing it might not be worth claiming who we voted for, so this may not have any merit. | ||
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“I will be firm and call someone scum because that is a town thing to do. That guy was not being firm, so he is the guy that I will call scum. Raaaar, I'm so townly!” Umasi is my biggest scum read right now. Nothing to ask him really as I expect he will make a response to Van's response anyway, which is what I want to see. | ||
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On November 04 2013 12:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Dude, so meta. Umasi calls out Vanesco for not being firm who called out Sylencia for not being firm. SO MUCH FIRM hzflank do you think that is alignment indicative of anyone involved in the cycle of firmness? Vanesco did not call out Sylencia for not being firm. Who we are firm with is very alignment indicative. | ||
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I think what Thrawn was getting at was this line: On November 04 2013 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Vanesco's post looks like typical 'scum trying to jump on the first odd thing somebody does for early game contributions n' shizz. You are aware that scum sometimes jump on to something. The thing that you don't mention is that scum tend to do this if they think at least one town will also jump on it, as that allows them to place/leave their vote on the target for a longer period of time. I could certainly argue that Vanesco did this with his first post, but then one may also argue that you did the same. Basically, that sentence was a little bit hypocritical. On November 04 2013 12:55 WaveofShadow wrote: As for 'who we are firm with,' care to elaborate? I asked you a question and you just gave me a very generic answer, without the specifics I was asking for. Well, sometimes a man....actually we are not having that conversation. On November 04 2013 12:35 WaveofShadow wrote: hzflank do you think that is alignment indicative of anyone involved in the cycle of firmness? Yes. If you enter a game with a really direct post where you call someone scum, it is probably for one of two reasons. Either you think it's time that the game got rolling and you want to change the style of conversation that is taking place, or you want your first post to make you look like you are town. Umasi wanted to look like he was town, because if he were trying to direct the conversation to be more about post analysis and scum hunting then he would not of added this last sentence to his post. On November 04 2013 10:30 Umasi wrote: Also, I support claiming votes and actions after they occur, so once it's back to the blues being VTs and unviggable, can't really think of a downside. Ofcourse, it is fair to point out that trying to look like town does not always make a person scum. But trying to look like town in your very first post makes someone (Umasi) look like uncomfortable scum. | ||
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I was a jerk to you before that game started. That was intend as a joke, I did not mean any offense. I am genuinly very grateful for your assistance during that game. Okay that said, back to being a jerk and playing this game. | ||
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I am here to play a game. At no time, ever, during the game have I or will I ever intend to personally insult anybody. It might happen on occasion due to the medium (text), and if it does then I will apologise. There are also some cultural differences in the way British people phrase things compared to Americans, and ofcourse British slang can be different. Not to mention that British humour is very different to American humour. I'm useless at the moment, so will be back to the game later. | ||
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On November 05 2013 03:40 gumshoe wrote: Onegu, ObviusOne, SnO_Man. Meet the peanut gallery. None of them actually agree or disagree with my theory, which is fine because it's mediocre at best, but no doubt at least one of them is scum. This jumped out at me, because the conclusion of Gumshoe's entry post was mediocre. I liked the post, but the only affect it had on me regarding WoS's alignment was “I should read WoS again with this in mind”. Gumshoe's post seemed to trigger Snoman's first content post of the game. On November 05 2013 01:17 Sn0_Man wrote: Can WoS post this actively as scum? Not a fan of his take on the game so far. I assume that by 'his take on the game' you mean his reads? Well you know that disagreeing with someone's reads does not make them scum. You also fail to say which reads or why you disagree with them. Additionally, WoS's reads changed a bit before he read Gumshoe's post, but not between that and you making your post. So, you think WoS might be scum, but your reason that you state for that is not based on the exchange between WoS and Gumshoe. But if you think that WoS is scum then I would think that you would at least reference their exchange for one reason or another. On November 05 2013 01:44 Sn0_Man wrote: "Hey guys i'm super excited I rolled scum which I never do. OHBOYOHBOYOHBOY" -WoS Iunno. Doesn't feel like the WoS I've played with. I'll let it develop. In other news, much desire to lynch Onegu. A) he's always scum B) I never catch/suspect him. Here you give an additional reason for thinking that WoS is scum, which is purely a meta reason. It's not really a meta reason that can be questioned either, as you are basing it on a feeling. It's one thing to call someone scum without a good reason, or to call someone scum but not follow up in it. But to do both at the same time? Is there a point to doing it that I am missing? Then when you move on, you happen to move onto Onegu who is the exact person that WoS thinks is scum. If you feel uncomfortable with WoS, then you should also feel uncomfortable with wanting to lynch the same person that he wants to lynch. On the other hand, your reasons for desiring to lynch Onegu are a joke. If you were completely joking (about wanting to lynch Onegu, not the reasons) then my previous paragraph becomes void. It also means everything you posted was pointless (attack WoS, get response so use joke to detatch). Moving on to Sno's exchange with OO: On November 05 2013 05:25 Sn0_Man wrote: You are like, incredibly desperate to justify yourself. If you weren't so uptight I'd be leaving it alone. Actually I was leaving it alone ur the one pushing it lol. Snoman very casually removes himself from the discussion. If Snoman wanted information on OO then this was his time to do so, but it just seems like Snoman actually wants to run away. I don't care how little confidence you have in your D1 reads, if you twice have the chance to question your scum reads directly and twice decide to distance yourself from them instead then you do not really think that they are scum. ##vote: Sno_man | ||
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On November 04 2013 09:22 EchelonTee wrote: Kind of strange to say "ususual win-con" as opposed to just "other than our win-con". How do YOU think Witchcraft should be handled? On November 04 2013 11:48 EchelonTee wrote: If you have the time to write that paragraph, you have time to answer my question. Why won't you discuss your thoughts on Witchcraft, and only spend time defending yourself? I disagree with people claiming actions, because if I voted someone as a blue and they avoided the blue-vig, I'd like to continue voting them. Why is it so important for Syl to answer your question about blue roles? I mean, that is the least important type of question that someone could ignore. What were you expecting to get out of Syl? | ||
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On November 05 2013 06:28 Umasi wrote: I have nothing to comment of, I still think vanesco is the best lynch. I won't discuss townreads at all, because nightkills, and I have no significant scumread other than vanesco, just people who are kinda scummy. Well Vanesco has posted several things since your last post regarding him. How did they affect your read on him? Even if you still think that he is scum, there must be some more detail in there now. | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:43 thrawn2112 wrote: Hey hzflank, what do you think about sn0's play so far? Disregard the specifics of who said what or who accused who of what, I want you to casually read his filter and describe to me his tone, attitude, etc. When I read him earlier, his tone was very fun. His attitude was casual, dare I say he seemed to be enjoying the game. At times you might think he has a idgaf attitude, but then he makes a few posts and you reseal that he is in fact invested in the current game. | ||
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On November 05 2013 08:51 thrawn2112 wrote: This is almost exactly what I've been thinking. Don't all of these things hint of green and not red? How do you reconcile his general townie behavior with the things you think he's done that are scummy? For the time being, I ignore how he posts and focus on what he posts. He hides behind how he posts, and when he posts more content he will be easier to read. | ||
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On November 05 2013 09:51 thrawn2112 wrote: Like I said earlier, he gets town points for tone and null points for content. I don't think any of the specific things he's said are very alignment indicative but he is direct and what I perceive as open with his thoughts. Sorry, somehow I missed that post where you explained it. Thanks. | ||
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On November 05 2013 12:47 Umasi wrote: am I misunderstanding what you just said? One of the things I dislike about Vanesco is his attempt to stop discussion about coven powers. am I misinterpreting what you just wrote or did you misinterpret what I said? second scum read=echelontee third scum read=Sn0 Still watching rayn. One of the things that you dislike about Vanesco is his stance on power roles. That's all? What do you think about Vanesco's interactions with people? | ||
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On November 05 2013 13:00 WaveofShadow wrote: So many people wish-washing towards a Sn0 lynch, including myself. Makes me feel really bad about it because SO many people have mentioned it I'm sure scum are among them. I think I will NOT be voting Sn0 today. Ya think? You have said multiple times that you think that I may be scum and you need to look into it. It might be time to stop saying it and actually look into me. It should'nt take long, I have not even posted much. I'll even give you a clue, look at the question that Thrawn asked me in regards to my case on Sn0. | ||
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On November 05 2013 12:58 Umasi wrote: The inevitability that Vanesco will not be lynched would make me vote for echelon or sn0, they're basically on the same level. You keep making posts of nothing and wont tell us any detail of how your read on your primary scum target has matured. If you cannot vote for your primary target then you happen to choose two targets that don't have a lot of support in thread and you do not give any reasons as to why you think that they are scum. ##unvote ##Vote: Umasi | ||
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On November 05 2013 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright let's play a game. It's called, 'What are people's reads on Syl?' When I get 3-4 answers I will explain my own and why. Bonus points to hzflank if he is one of them. Umasi too. Also Rayn. The important line in Syl's post to Ceph is: On November 05 2013 12:56 Sylencia wrote: and his entrance to me looks like a forced tunnel into WoS. Syl is looking for motivation behind the posts of the person he is reading. Ofcourse, if Syl thinks that this is Ceph's motivation then Syl must think that Ceph is scum, although he never says it directly. Syl mimic's what others have said to Umasi. We cannot know whether Syl wrote that before he read other people's though. Limited town points, at best. ET's filter does look horrendous, as Syl says. But there are no questions for ET in there and not much for ET to respond to. So my conclusion: I don't like that in Syl's mind Ceph has scum motivation, yet instead of pressing Ceph on it while Ceph is here, Syl immediately moves on. Probably scum, but these long nightly posts should make Syl so easy to read anyway. | ||
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On November 05 2013 13:16 Umasi wrote: they're not scummy, they're just not townie. nothing has really made my read on vanesco matured, he's just scummy from the first post and no one has supplanted him for #1. Not everyone's going to post ridiculous cases hzflank, and I'm not going to go restate why someone could be scum if it was just me reading a point that I agreed with :| I agree with WoS point about Sn0 and how people are wishy-washying towards him as the lynch. We cannot work with you unless you tell us why you think someone is scum. You mentioned ET and Sn0, why do you think that they are scum? | ||
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On November 05 2013 14:27 Umasi wrote: lack of overall effect on the thread, although (as wave mentioned) it feels like enough of us are defaulting towards that lynch it's dangerous. ('that lynch' being a lynch on sn0 or ET.) Okay. Why do you think that the town was moving towards a Sn0 lynch? (I agree that it was, buy why?) | ||
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On November 05 2013 14:43 WaveofShadow wrote: As far as me taking him off 'too early...' what does that mean hzflank? Doesn't matter now. I was trying to fish in multiple ponds with a single rod, and I messed it up. | ||
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WoS wants me to be scum, but does not actually think that I am scum. Not sure what to make of that yet. Umasi might be a mood thing: scum post > town posts > streak of scum posts > town posts. Haven't really got my head around the last 12 hours, it takes me a few reads. I'll see what I can come up with. There's a few people that I want to lynch but I am not going to name them all so close to deadline, so give me 15 mins and I will pick one. | ||
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On November 06 2013 05:33 thrawn2112 wrote: ok I gotta step out for about an hour, hzflank you know what you need to do I'm not sure what you mean by this. Meh, I lied about 15 minutes. I still don't know who I want to lynch. If I cared to I could defend the points made against me but meh, no point until I have some focus. So Umasi's probably town. He played too tunnelled for my liking, but once he got over that his thought process (as I perceive it) became clearer. I don't really want to lynch ET either. He became invested in the game and although I might not agree with some of his content, it's likely town. For example, completely messing up his meta analysis on thrawn is a town accident. I think it's rare for scum to do that intentionally as when it is countered there is no re-counter. Also, his carrying about the day one lynch feels genuine. | ||
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As you can tell, I am afraid that I have not left myself much time to care ;( ##unvote ##vote Sylencia | ||
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On November 06 2013 06:26 Umasi wrote: idk, the last post by hzflank does not look scummy though, he asserts that he doesn't want to vote ET, and he backs off on me.. kinda like, a lack of self preservation Oh don't worry, people's votes on me make no sense, therefore I am relying on them not sticking. For example, WoS tends to think that people are town when they are reading the game in a similar fashion to him, right? Remember when I pushed you and WoS said "I was going to do that" or when I read Syl and WoS said they he read it the same way I did? WoS does not think I am scum, WoS wants me to be scum because I offended him and/or he saw my ego in full effect when he coached me. His vote can still change. As for Thrawn and ET, well they are defaulting to me because they have no one better to vote for and they did not like my case on Sn0. The thing is, if you read me carefully you will noticed that my case on Sn0 was never meant to be pushed. In that portion of the game I actually thought that Umasi and ET were scum. The case on Sn0 was an attempt to engage him which failed. The case was also an attempt to make people view him in a more negative light so that I could see what people said about him when he appeared to be a somewhat easy lynch. People don't really think that I am scum yet still want to lynch me D1. Reminds me of the White flag game that just ended  | ||
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On November 06 2013 06:38 Umasi wrote: But there isn't someone else that'll gain enough traction in time, that's my issue. It's not that I think you're scum, you just aren't town enough to warrant a no-lynch. But on the other hand I guarantee you that there are some people who are present but lurking, since it is deadline time and majority lynch. So there are some people who are present but will just casually go through with my lynch. They'll probably move their votes soon, too. | ||
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On November 06 2013 06:42 thrawn2112 wrote: right now your best chance of living is to explain why you want sylencia to die I already explained it. Sylencia posted a several paragraph's about Cephiro's take on WoS. The entire point of what Syl posted can only possibly of existed if Syl thought that Ceph was scum, because Syl thought that it was an intentional tunnel upon entry to the game (only scum do that). Therefore, in Syl's mind Ceph must of been scum. Syl never played as if he thought that Ceph was scum, therefore what Syl wrote about Ceph was fake. | ||
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On November 06 2013 05:11 EchelonTee wrote: i thought waveofshadow and hzflank were supposed to be respected / strong (as stated by players in this game) where the hell are they I am sorry for not living up to your expectations, but am I not playing exactly the same way that I did in white flag? Also, I am not playing the newb card here – I don't think that I am bad – but considering that this is my fifth game I am disappointed that a big criticism of me is that I am not playing good enough. Especially when you consider that WoS keeps saying that I am good when WoS has only ever seen me one one game, and I was scum in that game. It's all bull, tbh. | ||
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