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On November 07 2013 07:05 Sn0_Man wrote:o.o Well can't say I'm terribly sad. Wat happened to ET tho?  Dunno, but he's me now. Standard replacement "I'm catching up, useless until tomorrow etc etc..."
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On November 07 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote: R U scum? I'm an acolyte. I am not of The Inquisition. I am not scum. My blood is green.
U haz moar questions?
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and thats my queue to delurk. Since thrawn posted his case on ET its gained very little traction, and no on has been willing to call me out for being afk for more than 24 hours. For the record I'm only up to page 25/45 (the game before I replaced ET) but I also read cephiro's great-wall-of-WoS-is-scum post, so thats my excuse.
Regarding Koshi's recent posts...does that almost confirm him as town since scum dont get witchcraft votes?
So far, I have townreads on enough of the playerbase that lynching into my unknowns (assuming my townreads are right) would win the game by sheer numbers. The top of my would-lynch list is sylencia. This is partly OMGUS for him voting ET=me and partly what he's done today that thrawn already pointed out + Show Spoiler +On November 08 2013 14:28 thrawn2112 wrote:I am still wanting to lynch Onegu but I want to talk about syl because I'd like him to be a possible lynch candidate as well. Sylencia votes for ET on day 1. He is the only person with his vote still on ET at the end of the day during d2 sylencia says this Show nested quote +On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote: ##Vote Cephiro
Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day.
Go back and read the part I bolded. Read what sylencia says he's going to do about hopeless during D2. He comes in voting for ceph saying that all the other candidates are likely to be lynched and therefore not worth talking about. I question him about this and his response is.... Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 10:37 Sylencia wrote:On November 08 2013 00:05 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 07 2013 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you have anything to say about Onegu? look at syl's reply On November 07 2013 20:41 Sylencia wrote: ##Vote Cephiro
Hopeless is someone I'd be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him. It's pretty vital that that is kept in mind during the course of the day.
Easy enough, nothing's changed since my post about him. OO's reads were pretty close to what I had as a list when he was alive too.
In terms of what's happened during Day 2, stop trying to get at each others throats and go for the more probable targets. Rayn train is dumb imo, he's still townier than a lot of others. -could lynch hopeless -people aren;t going up for the probable targets during d2 the serious targets mentioned so far have been rayn onegu and et but they aren't "probable" and the only one he bothers mentioning is rayn? sylencia why are you dismissing the onegu and hopeless lynches even though you yourself said you could lynch hopeless? There have been what, 2 or 3 posts about Hopeless, the rest have been a massive 'rayn/onegu is scum' talk. How does that show that Hopeless is a probable target? It doesn't really, since no one is talking about him. In any case, my vote isn't weird at all considering there has been no defense from Ceph and we're already in the second half of day 2. I dunno why this town is so dead. oh so now it's time to ignore everything being said about ET? When earlier he said hopeless is somebody he'd "be wanting to lynch too because it's rather easy for him to worm his way out if he's scum from the mess ET left for him" why why why does nobody see this as scummy? syl's main candidate from d1 is someone who syl says he's going to "keep in mind during the course of the day" but he later refuses to acknowledge hopeless as a serious candidate.
Others on my would-lynch list are umasi onegu and sn0-man, in no particular order, with no particular reasons than that I haven't found compelling reasons to call them town so far (Again, only up to page 25/45 at the time of this post)
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i just got to rayn tearing up ET's case on thrawn. If I didn't know I was town...*cringe* Working on it WoS, how long would you say I have before you have to post what you've got?
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##Vote: Sn0_Man The silver bullet insistence when there is no evidence to that statement, still trying to out blues, this unsubstantiated statement that he almost immediately retracts when called out: + Show Spoiler +On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote:Nobody's around or something  this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something. I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit. OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today. Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates  All point to him being scum to me.
The gumshoe vote is a complete waste of time, but for the sake of confirmation bias: + Show Spoiler +On November 06 2013 06:58 Sn0_Man wrote: 1 more or something lol this is awful Absolutely no thought into whether gumshoe was town or scum, just wanted a lynch On November 06 2013 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote: wat a shocker team
ridiculous. Lets kill OO tomorrow. 'wat a shocker'....THEN WHY DID YOU FUCKERS LYNCH HIM?
There's also this interaction with me, the moment i replace: + Show Spoiler +On November 07 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote: R U scum? I half-jokingly but full-truthfully reply: On November 07 2013 07:16 Hopeless1der wrote:I'm an acolyte. I am not of The Inquisition. I am not scum. My blood is green. U haz moar questions? His response: On November 07 2013 07:21 Sn0_Man wrote:Either u read the whole thread in 5 mins or ur checking up on the most recent page. Dunno if that means anything. I fail to see what questions I could have for you that would be relevant. Tell u wat. As you read the game, Pay attention to OO and tell us why u think he was the NK  For whatever reason, Sn0 feels the need to take the piss out of me for being a little cheeky in response to his rhetorical question. It feels wrong that he is insinuating that I'm "something" simply because I hit F5. Is that not a common thing for replacements to do? Also, deferring any read of OO onto me, in addition to insisting OO was a silver bullet target.
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On November 09 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm not insisting retards, I'm trying to figure out.
I retract nothing, onegu martyrs and plays the "no-defence" scum style all the time. Quotes, filters and alignments for the games in question. You wanted to lynch the guy. Prove he martyr's ONLY as scum and NEVER as town.
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On November 09 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh, you're back. You finished your read then? Anything else to say besides that thing on Sn0? There is a fair amount of content I feel you could comment on. Yeah I'm kind of lost as to how to comment on everything. You wanted my OO read first I guess, so I'll get that started.
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On November 09 2013 01:20 Onegu wrote: Hopeless what is your take on hzflank/koshi? 'confirmed' town for giving away his witchcraft votes. I'd do the same, but them I'd be scum trying to seek free towncred.
@WoS OO seems to have done the most work on the Day1 votecount analysis. I think it happened too quickly to make anything meaningful out of it, but I could see that as a driving factor in the choice of NK, simply because he gave something for people to ponder over. Given that me and Koshi are 2 of his primary 3, my current theory is scum wanted to WIFOM us into mislynching the "apprehensive" gumshoe voters. I specifically say mislynch because I think koshi is town and obviously think (know) I am town. Sn0 can die in a fire though.
A lot of my other thoughts are town reads and I dont want to explain them unless people insist/are willing to lynch me if I dont. Silver bullet mechanics make that stuff even more detrimental to town.
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On November 09 2013 01:30 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 01:27 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 09 2013 01:20 Onegu wrote: Hopeless what is your take on hzflank/koshi? 'confirmed' town for giving away his witchcraft votes. I'd do the same, but them I'd be scum trying to seek free towncred.
@WoS OO seems to have done the most work on the Day1 votecount analysis. I think it happened too quickly to make anything meaningful out of it, but I could see that as a driving factor in the choice of NK, simply because he gave something for people to ponder over. Given that me and Koshi are 2 of his primary 3, my current theory is scum wanted to WIFOM us into mislynching the "apprehensive" gumshoe voters. I specifically say mislynch because I think koshi is town and obviously think (know) I am town. Sn0 can die in a fire though. A lot of my other thoughts are town reads and I dont want to explain them unless people insist/are willing to lynch me if I dont. Silver bullet mechanics make that stuff even more detrimental to town. Ugh. Not what I wanted but I'll take it. I don't follow the 'confirmed town' shit though. You don't think it's likely or even possible that Koshi just picked some names out of a hat for towncred? Delving even deeper, why would hzflank pick those specific people to bluevote? Its certainly possible that he invented a list, I did consider that.
On November 08 2013 20:51 Koshi wrote: rayn, Cephiro, Snowman = hz votes for witchcraft D1. Rayn kind of makes sense. Ceph makes sense as a connection to Syl:On November 06 2013 06:45 hzflank wrote: I already explained it. Sylencia posted a several paragraph's about Cephiro's take on WoS. The entire point of what Syl posted can only possibly of existed if Syl thought that Ceph was scum, because Syl thought that it was an intentional tunnel upon entry to the game (only scum do that). Therefore, in Syl's mind Ceph must of been scum. Syl never played as if he thought that Ceph was scum, therefore what Syl wrote about Ceph was fake. Also, perhaps he just donates town-points for excessive effort (i.e. Ceph's great-wall post)
Sn0 is kind of out of left field. He never commented on Sn0 much after his case, other than to say he was trying to elicit a response and get some dialogue going. It's not unbelievable that he had Sn0 as a townread.
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I'm out for a while. I'll consolidate as needed and I'll be back before deadline. You have my would-list lynch: Onegu, Umasi, Sn0_Man, Sylencia
Preference to Sn0 and Syl at the moment. Consolidate as needed means I will vote outside of my list for the sake of getting a lynch, but obviously I want to lynch into my list.
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okay. so...moving my vote just in case of shennanies. ##Unvote ##Vote: Onegu
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Yes I'm caught up. Scumreads are syl and sn0, largely in part to work you've done that I agree with. Also, WoS's statement that onegu gets to be nominated for worst town play if he flips green has my support. His bluevotes are nonsense.
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On November 09 2013 10:03 Sylencia wrote: You guys are idiots Oh hell the fuck no. This guys dead tomorrow Sn0 can have another day.
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You could...you know...explain the plan so we can go back to ignoring you as a pants-on-head kind of guy.
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ET's Day 1 witchcraft votes: WaveofShadow Rayn Vanesco
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sylencia, i want your read on me in detail.
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man wtf is this game....I still want sylencia to tell me what his read of me is, and why the fuck he thinks its his job to berate town for lynching onegu when he did nothing to prevent it or present an alternative.
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On November 10 2013 13:37 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 13:31 Hopeless1der wrote: man wtf is this game....I still want sylencia to tell me what his read of me is, and why the fuck he thinks its his job to berate town for lynching onegu when he did nothing to prevent it or present an alternative. What do you think sylencia's berating of town says about his alignment and why? Annnnnnd do you have anything else you want to talk about? I dont remember where, or even who, though I think it was marv, but someone said that posts like syl's are almost always from scum. I also dont even remember why, I just saw that post and something clicked in my brain that said he's supposed to be scum for it.
Other stuff, i think you, ceph, rayn and koshi are town.
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sorry thrawn I cant bring myself to give a shit right now...this setup should probably be invite-only from here on.
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##Vote: Vanesco Just woke up and caught up. Wanted to vote for majority's sake, have to run some errands shortly so I'll be back later.
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Thrawn does any of your re-read change your mind on Vanesco? Or are you just looking into tomorrows lynch so to speak?
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does sylencia going wtf at the end make you think hes more town being pants on head or scum trying to "save" someone? I'm leaning towards the pants on head theory right now, but then that means that Umasi or Ceph are the last scum.
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EBWOP for the sake of grammar, "one of Umasi or Ceph is the last scum"
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there's always hoping that scum kp is negated by jailing/roleblocking the right players....
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koshi, have you resolved yourself to the idea that rayn is probably town? if so, is it still "*baaahhh* thraw= town, he must be right" or have you drawn your own conclusions?
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On November 12 2013 05:05 thrawn2112 wrote:According to OP, once there's only 1 scum left there cant be any blues  It would be pretty OP to give town a roleblock in that scenario. Any sick blue plays are pretty much gonna have to happen in this coming night phase. we do kind of have one mislynch remaining and so i think a possible 2 more (including tonight) for blue-plays
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On November 12 2013 05:02 Koshi wrote: I shall ride both your death corpses to victory! np koshi you said "both". in the event that thrawn isnt around to beat you into submission do you think you might try to get rayn lynched?
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Worst town leader goes to WoS' gg post
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Does vanesco legitimately not have time to play or what because this is kind of sad even if he flips scum (and especially if he flips town )
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Koshi if at any point for the rest of the game you even insinuate that rayn is anything but town, you will be killed. Voting for the sake of majority will not count, but anything else, you die. Deal? This is your last chance to clear the air so to speak.
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Well shit...sylencia or sn0 methinks.
Goddamn lurkfests are shit, and I'm a pretty lurky guy to be saying that.
New witch should probably aim for preventing nks I instead of DTS imo. An extra day is worth more with the unclipped miller still around.
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*unflipped Also,
sylencia And sn0 for scum. At least until I reread.
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Its safe to reveal our votes for day 2? On phone, but we should have the scummy guys reveal first, assuming it's safe to do so. I.e sn0 syl umasi, then probably me koshi rayn thrawn iin that order.
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Anyone opposed to my witchcraft vote claim order?
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koshi, shut the fuck up and let him reveal when he wants.
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rayn i want to confirm you used scry and not blaspheme?
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uhh...so game is solved then isnt it? Sn0 and Syl are the only two with any reasonable suspicion remaining. concede plox,
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##Request Double Lynch hhuehue
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thrawn why is me shutting down rayn discussion scummy? I see koshi going haywire I want it to stop so he doesnt muck up town
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empty threat, yes. I just wanted him to not waste time on rayn
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no one else was suggesting rayn was scum, because he's town...koshi was being ridiculous. I am not scum. I was saying that if by some miracle we needed his vote to secure a majority, because lets say GF and miller flipped and someone declared a red-check then yeah, vote rayn (and call him and/or me scum because Im bad)
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On November 13 2013 02:06 thrawn2112 wrote: and wtf hopeless have you been lurking this whole time? rofl you went away right as we got into the interesting and controversial part of the "rayn claim" discussion I disappeared because to me, this game is over, save for perhaps Koshi not being town. But I think his panic oh shit heres all the info I have plz dont lynch was real. So he's town. As are you and rayn. Lynch Sn0, then Syl. gg
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Like if there was some way to get myself killed without causing a loss, or getting myself banned, I would wholeheartedly advocate for that option.
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Anyone who is here please claim your Day 2 Witchcraft votes.
I voted rayn/thrawn
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On November 13 2013 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I voted Umasi/Koshi. Goddamn Hopeless scum over Syl final answer.
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K so...I'll see you guys in ~70 hours?
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That sounds like he'd rather lynch syl than me guys. But then, there's his vote on me in what I see as an attempt to appeal to rayn to save him.
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@Sn0
On November 13 2013 07:33 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 07:32 Hopeless1der wrote: That sounds like he'd rather lynch syl than me guys. But then, there's his vote on me in what I see as an attempt to appeal to rayn to save him. Sounds like ur back to making shit up Like what, pray-tell? Do I get my own personal edition of "(OMGUS-read) makes up shit!" (previous installments include WoS makes up shit Parts 1 and 2)
On November 13 2013 07:39 Sn0_Man wrote: We have 48 hours. I'm content with "no longer 3 instavotes on me". Thats how you lose mafia in a hurry.
Dear hopeless: Who is scum? If it includes me, who else? will you at least consider voting the other person instead of me? If not, why not? Are you sure you have read the thread? I've been saying you and Syl for a long time, basically from the moment I replaced (and caught up). I know I backed off syl for a bit but that was before a)koshi flipped and b) rayn gave Umasi a greencheck I will not consider voting the "other person" unless thrawn and rayn decide to go after syl instead of you(/me) today.
@Thrawn
On November 13 2013 07:37 thrawn2112 wrote: too add onto that point hopeless, all day long you've been acting like "lol game solved." well it's not. don't give me bullshit about you knowing your role pm therefore sylencia+sn0 are scum, you need to start doing what sn0man has been doing
what, having no reads and running around chasing my own tail? Aside from a slight diversion for thinking syl was too dumb to be scum, I've been consistent and assertive in stating who I think is scummy and who I want lynched. Furthermore, the consensus comes down to scum being Sn0 + (Me/Sylencia). So, while I can appreciate that you are not able to verify my role PM, my attitude of "lol game solved" is absolutely appropriate given the knowledge that I would be expected to have.(or pretend to if I were scum). I will concede that I have not been proactive about getting my scumreads lynched so I'll have to get to work on that.
Sn0_Man
To start with, do you recall Sn0's "Onegu matryrs as scum" debacle? I've spoilered the relevant quotes.
+ Show Spoiler +The bolded red in this quote On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote:Nobody's around or something  this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something. I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit. OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today. Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates  The next whole quote belongs in an IHOP On November 06 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Last game I gave him a townread for something and he said stuff like "don't give me a townread for that" and shit. Maybe not full martyr but the mindset is the same. Its "Would scum throw away "towncred" like this? Would scum call attention to themselves like this? Of course not". Its how Onegu plays.
I'll admit that I often get the same vibes from his townplay and in general I have real difficulty reading Onegu, but I'd argue that that makes him a serious liability to have moving into the late game. And he hasn't done anything to make me think he's town.
I mean, if he IS town, then he wants to die so we should oblige him and solve that questionmark. If he is scum, then we lynch scum. It feels like the right move right now.
Besides what townie ever self votes except in frustration? This wasn't frustration it was "look at me I'm so cooperative and want town to win" yeah right. Note the emphasis on Onegu martyrs AS SCUM all the time On November 09 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm not insisting retards, I'm trying to figure out.
I retract nothing, onegu martyrs and plays the "no-defence" scum style all the time. Now see his response when I tell him to PROVE its a SCUM-ONLY trait for Onegu + Show Spoiler +On November 09 2013 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm not insisting retards, I'm trying to figure out.
I retract nothing, onegu martyrs and plays the "no-defence" scum style all the time. Quotes, filters and alignments for the games in question. You wanted to lynch the guy. Prove he martyr's ONLY as scum and NEVER as town. On November 09 2013 01:18 Sn0_Man wrote: Well you aren't reading.
I say he does it as both alignments.
I've played with onegu as town and scum multiple times. He plays very similarly as both alignments and he's always the last scum to die. I've lost to his scum. If other people think he is scum, I am going to lend weight to their arguments because I have no reason to believe otherwise. But he JUST finished saying Onegu is scum because he martyr's as scum. Now he's saying Onegu martyrs as town as well. Then why in the hell is Onegu a scum-read? btw, from Onegu's filter with regard to this issue: On November 09 2013 01:19 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2013 01:15 Hopeless1der wrote:On November 09 2013 01:11 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm not insisting retards, I'm trying to figure out.
I retract nothing, onegu martyrs and plays the "no-defence" scum style all the time. Quotes, filters and alignments for the games in question. You wanted to lynch the guy. Prove he martyr's ONLY as scum and NEVER as town. This is the first time I have martyred as town, and I dont martyr all the time as scum I think I have only done it twice as scum and I never self voted. ...from Onegu's own mouth. He has never martyred as town before this game. Now he could very well be mistaken, but I'd like to believe Sn0 is full of it rather than believe that Onegu misunderstands what martyring is.
So there's that issue fleshed out more thoroughly. I touched on this in my earlier case on Sn0 which is spoilered here if you'd like to re-read it: + Show Spoiler +##Vote: Sn0_ManThe silver bullet insistence when there is no evidence to that statement, still trying to out blues, this unsubstantiated statement that he almost immediately retracts when called out: + Show Spoiler +On November 06 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote:Nobody's around or something  this happened yesterday too then I get flamed because I'm afk or something. I'm fairly open to an Onegu lynch. That guy martyrs as scum all the time. I haven't identified anybody else I really want to lynch. Rayns points against ET make sense and all but at the same time if ET is scum he's successfully changed a lot of things about his scum play in the last... week. Which is eminently possible I guess, I mean I give him that much credit. OO's still scum but thrawn sez he's not so I'm not sure where to go with that one. Considering its majority lynch I don't think i'll waste anybodies time with him today. Coming up with 3 townreads is pretty hard when they can't just be the obvious candidates  All point to him being scum to me. The gumshoe vote is a complete waste of time, but for the sake of confirmation bias: + Show Spoiler +On November 06 2013 06:58 Sn0_Man wrote: 1 more or something lol this is awful Absolutely no thought into whether gumshoe was town or scum, just wanted a lynch On November 06 2013 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote: wat a shocker team
ridiculous. Lets kill OO tomorrow. 'wat a shocker'....THEN WHY DID YOU FUCKERS LYNCH HIM? There's also this interaction with me, the moment i replace: + Show Spoiler +On November 07 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote: R U scum? I half-jokingly but full-truthfully reply: On November 07 2013 07:16 Hopeless1der wrote:I'm an acolyte. I am not of The Inquisition. I am not scum. My blood is green. U haz moar questions? His response: On November 07 2013 07:21 Sn0_Man wrote:Either u read the whole thread in 5 mins or ur checking up on the most recent page. Dunno if that means anything. I fail to see what questions I could have for you that would be relevant. Tell u wat. As you read the game, Pay attention to OO and tell us why u think he was the NK  For whatever reason, Sn0 feels the need to take the piss out of me for being a little cheeky in response to his rhetorical question. It feels wrong that he is insinuating that I'm "something" simply because I hit F5. Is that not a common thing for replacements to do? Also, deferring any read of OO onto me, in addition to insisting OO was a silver bullet target.
I'd like to add to this, why is he upset that I answered his question? Was I not supposed to see it? Like...what exactly was the "town" response he was looking for there? Ignoring him completely? His post in response to me is just noise and reaches no conclusions, as usual.
Next, something Thrawn pointed out in blue, and obviously the relevant scum association in red:
On November 11 2013 16:12 Sn0_Man wrote: Something something weekend something something not at all convinced vanesco is scum.
##Vote: Vanesco I'll attempt to show up pre-lynch since I feel like syl's a better one but majority etc.
You know...I could write something up, but I'd much rather you, the reader, go into Sn0's filter, hit All and then Ctrl+F for 'Vanesco' and 'syl'. Read each quote up to the 7th time each name crops up (So ctrl+F 'vanesco', read quote, hit next, read quote etc. until instance #7 then repeat for syl). Let me know if you found the statement in red from the above quote convincing. In fact, here is his filter, already set to 'All' mode.
Okay, so you did that right? Checked his filter out? Good, now go ahead and open the spoiler. + Show Spoiler +There was not a whole lot of reasoning for Vanesco and I'll be damned if I saw anything concrete about syl, but you can be sure of one thing: Sn0 said On November 11 2013 16:12 Sn0_Man wrote: Something something weekend something something not at all convinced vanesco is scum.
##Vote: Vanesco I'll attempt to show up pre-lynch since I feel like syl's a better one but majority etc. A better lynch to be more precise. i.e. calling him scum. So how come he later on says On November 13 2013 05:27 Sn0_Man wrote:Yeah u changed avatar now we can't be Templar friends I wasn't leaning scum on syl because there wasn't memorably scummy things in them. Syl is part of a large group of people who play very forgettably as town or scum as far as I can tell (Umasi too only he's town this game). Syl went kinda pants on head D3 though. Is calling the towniest person in the thread scum intelligent as either alignment? I'd argue not... How'd I come through all that without a certain scum? ugh. Still working on it or something. Sn0 LITERALLY said he thinks syl is a better lynch than Vanesco. In what universe does that not equate to a scum read?
How many times has Sn0 made a waffle and on how many players? It'd be one thing if he was pursuing leads on a scum read, but again, Thrawn you already hit this point:+ Show Spoiler +On November 13 2013 07:13 thrawn2112 wrote: snoman like every single post you've made today has been something like
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null tell or nvm
Its not just today though...its everything he's done all game.
The only thing he was consistent on was OO being scum. Oh, and that OO died to a Silver Bullet. Because scum-reads are most likely to be elected as blues and then shot by the witchhunter in Sn0_Man's head. wat. Obviously, I'm a little confirmation biased, so I've spoilered the following statements from Sn0's filter that left me wondering what the hell is he doing? + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2013 07:11 Sn0_Man wrote: PS Theres 0 fucking way koshi is shot if i'm scum I think. wat? + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2013 07:15 Sn0_Man wrote: Every post i've made has been legit. Nobody reads them though because you all have scumreads on me for no fucking reason. The fact that I haven't solved the game 100% is PROOF IM FUCKING TOWN since we are at MYLO if i'm scum I just ahve to commit to 1 mislynch and win.
READ
VANESCO
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PPS: i voted thrawn for blue last night. Blue can claim see my above post. If you did soem retard shit like hiding then fuck you how's that help solve the game. wat + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2013 07:28 Sn0_Man wrote: I want to lynch Hopeless and Syl. I don't really care which since they are both scum. Rayn could be (that suspicion keeps getting stronger) but I'm ignoring that since even if he is there must be another scum out there.
Literally nobody else can be scum (I have a green pm, you can't be scum, thats the entire thread). The only good reasons I have for them to be scum (apart from EchelonTee and vanesco tag-teaming shit like pushing you day 1, voting me d2, etc) is process of elimination.
Any point you can put on me (too lazy to scumhunt) applies to hopeless in fucking spades. Syl has been off in lala land all game apparently thats more townie than having fun with the game d1[*], doing my best to discuss onegu day 2[**], actually voting for scum d3[***], etc...
You guys are all so out of touch because scum kept whispering "sno is scum" in the thread till people believed it for NO REASON. Koshi himself said (and he's conftown) that I afk most weekends you can't lynch me for that. Note how he got killed because Koshi was the single person most against my lynch in the whole thread. * i.e. Nothing. p.s. I replaced in Day2 ** Remember how he martyrs, all the fucking time? u gaiz? he so martyr *** + Show Spoiler +On November 12 2013 00:32 Hapahauli wrote:Vote-Count: Day 3 Vanseco (6): Thrawn2112, Umasi, Koshi, Sn0_Man, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der Sn0_Man (1): Vanesco, Thrawn2112, raynpelikoneetCephiro (1): Sylencia Not Voting (1): Cephiro Currently Vanesco is set to be lynched! 5 votes are needed to lynch.
The deadline is in @ Monday, Nov 11 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
Make sure to PM your ONE witchcraft vote to both Blazinghand and Ange777 by the deadline. I guess I'm confirmed town too. Yay me! + Show Spoiler +On November 13 2013 07:29 Sn0_Man wrote: PS by scum whispering that I mean Onegu and ET/Hopeless unless that isn't clear. On November 09 2013 07:00 Blazinghand wrote: Onegu the Acolyte has been elminated!
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Of course I'm trying to sell you somthing thrawn. I actually believe hes scum, which is more than Sn0 can say about me. He's got to me by PoE because HE CANT PUSH ANYONE ELSE. I've been saying it was him and syl for days now. I havent been very loud, but I've been saying it.
There's a reason why I pointed out the fact that I'm confirmation biased and that I'm just left with a wtf feeling when reading them. They are random jabs. The bulk of the case has to do with the fact that Sn0 waffles on just about everything this game and has done nothing to show he's town. Somehow continuing to waffle when the game is on the line gets him town cred. smh bro...
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umm...k? ##unvote: Sn0_Man ##vote: sylencia
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I don't see the need for rayn to have claimed anything. There are no more blues. If he's fakeclaiming, he risks having the "real" blue cc him tomorrow. At this point that'd have to be you since Koshi died. I say tomorrow because a silver bullet might lay in wait. This scenario is both unlikely and requires town to no-lynch for it to be relevant (Since a mislynch endgames the town today). As things stood at the start of the night phase, today was likely to end up exactly as it turned out anyways, except with Umasi firmly off the table.
The risk/reward is non-existent for Rayn in this situation in my opinion. Unless hes scum doing it for shits and giggles, they're both town imo.
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Thrawn, compare the filter exercise I had in my case on Sn0 (vanesco vs syl) with your analysis of Sylencia re: EchelonTee and his unwillingness to pursue a supposed scumread from the previous. Do you draw any parallels?
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Well...yes I consider them similar situations where you renege on a scumread for no good reason and with no explanation. Assume Syl flips scum. Who looks worse?
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I didn't question rayn because I believed him. His claim supported my existing reads and gave me greater confidence that I was on the right track (all along) in having Sn0 and sylencia as my scumreads.
Like do you want me to go pants on head and call you scum or something? I'm keeping a level head and maintaining my scumreads and you tell me I'm less town for doing so. Yes, I briefly considered the possibility of rayn fakeclaiming, but my risk/reward assessment is what I concluded. You came to the same conclusion. I dont understand your problem. Should I have stuck my neck out to explain why rayn was STILL most likely town? You seem to forget I'd pretty much stopped playing because I considered the game solved.
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No. Sn0_Man and Sylencia are scum. End of discussion. You dont like it, lynch me and lose the game. I'll switch my vote to whoever has the most votes closer to deadline. Aside from that, I'm not likely to give a care about today's lynch. I've said what I needed to say, you have all the information that I have. No wait, I voted Koshi for blue yesterday. There thats everything.
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Not sure if you're bluffing tbh.
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rayn/thrawn/umasi am I going to need to explain why Sn0 is scum again? Or does his defense post do that for you?
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On November 14 2013 02:55 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2013 02:48 Hopeless1der wrote: rayn/thrawn/umasi am I going to need to explain why Sn0 is scum again? Or does his defense post do that for you? i'm kinda tired of being the middle man for every single conversation. i'd rather you guys work it out well you're kinda the person that needs to be convinced, but anything I say is poisoned already, so I don't know that its in our best interest to let me ramble on about how Sn0 is scum. I don't like his defense, I think its garbage and that it is easy to rip it to shreds. But I basically know he is scum, so that is an easy assessment for me to make. You on the other hand are still wondering which of the 3 of us are the remaining scum. I'd rather you come to the conclusion about Sn0's defense because you are significantly less likely to doubt your own findings.
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sn0's defense to a 'not very good' case should be more substantial than giving you a repeat feel of 'not very good', dont you tihink?
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On November 14 2013 03:37 Sn0_Man wrote:spamspamspam I aint got shit to say lol. Wats the matter with my defense? Its hard to write intelligent stuff when his case is that bad. Like how do I address this: Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 12:08 Hopeless1der wrote:@Sn0 On November 13 2013 07:33 Sn0_Man wrote:On November 13 2013 07:32 Hopeless1der wrote: That sounds like he'd rather lynch syl than me guys. But then, there's his vote on me in what I see as an attempt to appeal to rayn to save him. Sounds like ur back to making shit up Like what, pray-tell? Do I get my own personal edition of "(OMGUS-read) makes up shit!" He literally makes up shit (that somehow I think syl is scummier than him which is patently false), I call him on it, and his response is "What did i make up?"... I was going with "anybody who read that shit would insta lock on hopeless no way he's town" BACK TO MAKING SHIT UP. As in I did it before. WHERE Sn0? SHOW ME. MOTHERFUCKING SHOW ME NOW!
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Let me ask this potentially scummy questions. What if sylencia does not come back and will be modkilled? Should we arrange to have him as the majority vote-holder until he returns?
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On November 14 2013 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2013 08:21 Hopeless1der wrote: Let me ask this potentially scummy questions. What if sylencia does not come back and will be modkilled? Should we arrange to have him as the majority vote-holder until he returns? If Sylencia does not come back before the deadline we lynch someone else and expect him to get modkilled. If he is scum and does last second vote and we lose the game because of it i will never ever play in a game with him any more because that's so fucking cheap. okay well if that's your take on it, we will need to decide between me and sn0_man and get 4 votes on one of us.
Unvote shenanigans do nothing because if we are already on scum they cant stop it even if they tried, and if we're on town, scum win so they wouldnt unvote.
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I should be around at deadline, yes.
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Well I'm going to bed. May as well pretend syls town to have something to do.
SYLENCIA Do you believe rayns green check? Is thrawn still scum? Who do we lynch today, or do we no-lynch?
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Recall what had been said about snow and me not caring which of the other two died and how it was slightly townie to declare that. Syl is not doing that, he's going for the win if he can. He has no idea how sn0 could be scum nor has he addressed my case or sn0s defense. He spent a chunk of his time evading thrawns requests to make a case on sn0.
He's been largely unable to come up with anything on either of us and would rather die than potentially out his scumbuddy.
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meh was to say that sn0 is scum, but he was supposed to be around and that I dont particularly care when he shows up
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thread was dead, i was bored, and it helps make him look bad.
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I'll be sure to remind Umasi if its needed.
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hmm..well good on rayn. Bad luck for us that his first game after decided to stop spamming he gets to roll scum.
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On November 15 2013 07:05 Koshi wrote: It's just bad play for us to give him a 100% townread and tell others that they will get lynched when they are trying to find scum. Yeah, you got my number, but I just could not believe rayn was scum from that point forwards. Too tunneled into my reads on syl/sn0.
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On November 15 2013 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Nothing to say; all of my relevant comments are in obs QT I think. Thrawn you got the only scum I DIDN'T have, and nobody thought to look into my reads. (I was wrong on Sn0 originally) No idea why everybody was so sure of umasi even before the fakecheck. I wasnt convinced on umasi and I was planning on looking into him during the day, then rayn claimed a greencheck at night and my brain went on autopilot
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